So I am concerned about how the majority of our team seems to be made out of 100% grade A+ porcelain.
However, that being said, I think we are in great position to contend for a championship next year. I would not engage in any of these wild trade theories we have heard.
Next year I see our roster as largely set.
We have Brunson at the 1 and Divo at the 2. I am largely on the fence with OG, but I would resign him and start him at the 3. Then we have the walking bad attitude/All pro Randle at the 4.
So here is where the question marks begin. I would do everything possible to resign Hartenstein, but I'm going to just assume we fail for the sake of preparing for the worst case scenario. So, the Knicks have two first round picks, and a second.
Now, I know nothing about NBA free agency, but people around here keep insisting expiring contracts have value. I'm not convinced by what I have seen out of the Knicks, but if so, then take advantage of the expiring contract of Bogs and get a backup at either PG, SF, C or finally PF. Then use your first 1st round pick on whichever position you did not address yet starting at backup SF, then C, then PG. Use your second first round pick on a backup PG, or a C, or a SF. Then you have your second round pick to use on a C or a PF. I don't know. Maybe I am overly exuberant, but I think our future is ROSES!
Oh, and if the fans here are full of it and Bogs expiring contract has no value, then I would resign him to a reasonable contract and then instead of looking for a backup SF in the draft, I would look for a backup SG who would prove to be an upgrade over Miles McBride.
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When he was rolling before the injury he was setting the defense and on pace to be in the defensive player of the year conversation.
If a player makes top ten in DPOY voting in a given year, Basketball Reference indicates that fact on the player's overview page.
Mitch has never made the top ten for DPOY in his career and, as of the time of his injury, his blocked shots per game average of 1.3 was lower than any previous season.
He won't be traded because stress fractures in his ankle and a visible weight issue leave him with no trade value.
You are a true treasure. The way you trash every player on this team I’m surprised they aren’t picking 1st overall in the draft. But then I remember that you don’t have a clue on what you’re talking about and it’s no surprise this team was the 2nd seed.
I mean given the Villanova connection, it's not a stretch to link the Knicks with Bridges.
Agreed. Daneil Gafford is on a similar deal, brings similar skills to a team, and was traded at the deadline for a first round pick. A healthy Mitch is a better player than Gafford is, so they could definitely get something of value for Mitch.
I get the 'Nova connection, but I wonder if Nets would be hesitant to trade with the Knicks. I don't recall a lot of Mets-Yanks trade. The one Jets-Giants trade I recall is the Leo Williams one.
You cant jist run it back and then still try to trade for another star
Mitch, deuce 24 and 25 this year and a 26 first for Mikal
Then flip Randle and Bojan for Paul george..
Brunson, George, Mikal, OG, Hartenstein
Divo, Hart, and a couple of vets off the bench
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but on his podcast today Bill Simmons thinks Mikal goes to the Knicks. Say what you want about Bill but he does have sources.
Mitch, deuce 24 and 25 this year and a 26 first for Mikal
Then flip Randle and Bojan for Paul george..
Brunson, George, Mikal, OG, Hartenstein
Divo, Hart, and a couple of vets off the bench
Gonna take more than that to get Bridges. If the nets are even willing to deal with us there will be a crosstown rival tax we have to pay
A healthy Mitch ... how did you like the play Mrs Lincoln?
Mitch has missed 80 Knick games (regular and playoff) in the first two season of his deal. Eighty, in two years.
He also missed the entire playoffs in 2021, before he signed his current deal.
And he has stress fracture issues. A very large human with a stress fracture issue in a lower extremity is not a good combination and the Knicks aren't going to find a team unaware of this fact.
The good news, if one looks at it that way, is that Mitch will be back.
McBride is the only youngish player left, and everybody is ready to run him out of town for the poor finish. You don't need all veterans 1 through 15.
I can't wait for Holiday and White to curb stomp Haliburton. The Celtics have the second best defense behind the Wolves in the regular season, let's see how they play the Pacers.
Bojans guarantee date is the 28th of june..
I expect moves to happen around these dates, Knicks are going to want the trades done before juky 1st because once Bojan is guaranteed, OG is signed and Hartenstein Knicks will be into the 2nd apron
OG, George, Mitch, Brunson and DDV is a strong starting 5 with good spacing and shooting.
The Clippers have not extended him and he is about to walk to Philly for nothing it makes too much sense not to take a Knicks deal. Plus they will gain the cap space if they let Randle and Bojan walk after next season sweeten the deal with a couple of first and it's a no brainer.
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A healthy Mitch is a better player than Gafford is, so they could definitely get something of value for Mitch.
A healthy Mitch ... how did you like the play Mrs Lincoln?
Mitch has missed 80 Knick games (regular and playoff) in the first two season of his deal. Eighty, in two years.
He also missed the entire playoffs in 2021, before he signed his current deal.
And he has stress fracture issues. A very large human with a stress fracture issue in a lower extremity is not a good combination and the Knicks aren't going to find a team unaware of this fact.
The good news, if one looks at it that way, is that Mitch will be back.
Newsflash, bigs miss a lot of games. Outside of like Jokic and Gobert, basically every top center misses a ton of games. Looking at the last 5 years Embiid averages 55 games played per season, Anthony Davis 54, KAT 50, Myles Turner 58, Porzingis 55, Ayton 57 (the guy he was traded for, Nurkic averaged 46). Bam Adebayo and Jarrett Allen look like iron men at the position averaging 68 and 67 games per year over the last 5.
Part of the reason teams are always looking for bigs is because you need multiple solid ones on your team because it’s so likely your guy is going to miss 15-20 games.
So if they make a deal and it says 4 or 5 or 6 1sts, dont freak out, this is why they have hoarded so many picks..
They are going to shop a package of Randle, abojan and Mitch with 4 or 5 firsts and see what they can get
So if they make a deal and it says 4 or 5 or 6 1sts, dont freak out, this is why they have hoarded so many picks..
They are going to shop a package of Randle, abojan and Mitch with 4 or 5 firsts and see what they can get
This is a good point. The Knicks actually have some pressure to trade these picks. They lose value the longer they wait. Trade them now for pieces that can help.
Please show me what other NBA that won’t happen to when their 10th, 11th & 12th men are getting big minutes. “Next Man Up” is a cool phrase, but you can only take it so far before you get the snot beat out of you.
So if they make a deal and it says 4 or 5 or 6 1sts, dont freak out, this is why they have hoarded so many picks..
They are going to shop a package of Randle, abojan and Mitch with 4 or 5 firsts and see what they can get
I don't agree here with the picks, they should try to hold on to some of them as it is a cheap way of adding talent when your cap is over the apron. I'm fine with trading some, but they should hold on to some as well.
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as rumors ramp up from now until July 1st, the Knicks are going to offer a shit ton of picks in these deals...They realize that their tram is going to be locked in for the next 5 uears after this offseason no matter what they do..
So if they make a deal and it says 4 or 5 or 6 1sts, dont freak out, this is why they have hoarded so many picks..
They are going to shop a package of Randle, abojan and Mitch with 4 or 5 firsts and see what they can get
I don't agree here with the picks, they should try to hold on to some of them as it is a cheap way of adding talent when your cap is over the apron. I'm fine with trading some, but they should hold on to some as well.
thats the beauty they have plenty..
Why not just go by the facts that are irrefutable? FACTS. Ready? The guy posts great numbers. Year in year out. He posts great numbers while the team wins so save me the empty stats horse shit. The team that he plays for not only kept him when 90% of NY wanted him gone, back prior to the 2020 season. Then re-signed him when about half of the fans thought he'd be too risky. Then saw that same player play even better ball in 2022 then saw the same player model or change his game in 2023 when more talent was brought in to compliment the team. The staff loves him. Yet you think he's toxic.
Some of you just insist on living in an alternate reality.
I get it, he does throw his hands up and stare down the ref 3-4 times a game. We know that shit never ever happens with any other star NBA player....
Why not just go by the facts that are irrefutable? FACTS. Ready? The guy posts great numbers. Year in year out. He posts great numbers while the team wins so save me the empty stats horse shit. The team that he plays for not only kept him when 90% of NY wanted him gone, back prior to the 2020 season. Then re-signed him when about half of the fans thought he'd be too risky. Then saw that same player play even better ball in 2022 then saw the same player model or change his game in 2023 when more talent was brought in to compliment the team. The staff loves him. Yet you think he's toxic.
Some of you just insist on living in an alternate reality.
I get it, he does throw his hands up and stare down the ref 3-4 times a game. We know that shit never ever happens with any other star NBA player....
You realize wanting to trade him has nothing to dow ith anything you just said
I just don't get the hate or even possessing a shred of angst about this guy but what do I know.
I just don't get the hate or even possessing a shred of angst about this guy but what do I know.
Lots of important decisions to be made this offseason with lasting effects on the team. They've kicked the can down the road an awful lot, but they're now running out of time to do a big trade if they're going to.
Knicks are forced to make a decision quickly on Randle and his future if they go all in on him so be it but I understand the red flags also he has admitted such a 2 years ago.
I just don't get the hate or even possessing a shred of angst about this guy but what do I know.
I agree with you on Randle, I just don’t understand why it’s so important to you to try to get through to other fans that may feel differently. Most fans simply aren’t very bright. And many of them don’t watch other games that don’t involve the Knicks so they se all of the Randle turnovers and other antics but they don’t see any other star players doing as much of either of those while watching the highlights on Sportcenter. They just see the…highlights and think all these other players are perfect.
Let’s not forget, we’ve seen many of these brainiacs calling for Thibs to be fired over the past couple of days. The same coach that led this mash unit to the 2 seed and to game 7 of the conference semis with about 3 somewhat healthy players on the team
Knicks are forced to make a decision quickly on Randle and his future if they go all in on him so be it but I understand the red flags also he has admitted such a 2 years ago.
I agree there are some things to consider don't get me wrong. The lazy or attitude narrative is what grinds my gears.
Dude it's a message board. God forbid one or two people call out a wildly held belief that isn't rooted in facts.
I notice more and more if you try and debunk a myth around here you get insulted buy someone. What did I say that was deranged? Want me to stop? Don't fucking engage me then.
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Randle is in his final year of his deal(he will opt out)he will turn 30 during the season and will obviously want a max type deal. I am JR fan and I am fine running it back with him but he is the most valuable trade piece/salary match/expiring piece they have.
Knicks are forced to make a decision quickly on Randle and his future if they go all in on him so be it but I understand the red flags also he has admitted such a 2 years ago.
I agree there are some things to consider don't get me wrong. The lazy or attitude narrative is what grinds my gears.
Lazy is a bad take but the on-court bullshit grinds on people at 30 this is the player he is no one is perfect. he is an all-NBA talent no question and the players love him so that has to count for something.
Even with all of that, he demands respect with the ball in his hands. The gravity he plays with gives other players better shots, including Brunson who was feasting on open threes off of Julius's rotations. And he's already on the team, so you wouldn't have to give up assets to get him. In 2 of the last 4 seasons he was a top 15 player. And some of that was when he was the only offensive option.
No player is above criticism, but my preference would be to see this team play with Randle. He's a tough guy who has been a warrior for us since we signed him and he deserves a shot to play with a good roster. It'll give us a chance to see if January was a fluke or if the team is as elite as the record said it was.
Should immensely help the Knicks with the cap and future roster flexibility.
I think that has happened. The team adores him.
Exactly what I'm thinking. Be less stubborn and use the team's depth during the regular season before going hard minutes-wise in the playoffs.
Evan Sidery
@esidery
Bronny James was scheduled for 10 workouts with NBA teams, but he’s declined all of them except two: Lakers and Suns, per @ShamsCharania
on @RunItBackFDTV
.
Phoenix will legitimately be considering Bronny at No. 22 overall.
Evan Sidery
@esidery
Bronny James was scheduled for 10 workouts with NBA teams, but he’s declined all of them except two: Lakers and Suns, per @ShamsCharania
on @RunItBackFDTV
.
Phoenix will legitimately be considering Bronny at No. 22 overall.
Kind of rubs me the wrong way. Bronny isn't that good of a prospect that he can decline workouts for teams. He's at best a second round talent with defensive upside. Aside from Thanasis, I can't think of another example of a nepo situation in basketball.
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this an indication Lebron is considering the Suns?
Evan Sidery
@esidery
Bronny James was scheduled for 10 workouts with NBA teams, but he’s declined all of them except two: Lakers and Suns, per @ShamsCharania
on @RunItBackFDTV
.
Phoenix will legitimately be considering Bronny at No. 22 overall.
Kind of rubs me the wrong way. Bronny isn't that good of a prospect that he can decline workouts for teams. He's at best a second round talent with defensive upside. Aside from Thanasis, I can't think of another example of a nepo situation in basketball.
The Knicks literally had Chris Smith on the team lmao.
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this an indication Lebron is considering the Suns?
Evan Sidery
@esidery
Bronny James was scheduled for 10 workouts with NBA teams, but he’s declined all of them except two: Lakers and Suns, per @ShamsCharania
on @RunItBackFDTV
.
Phoenix will legitimately be considering Bronny at No. 22 overall.
Kind of rubs me the wrong way. Bronny isn't that good of a prospect that he can decline workouts for teams. He's at best a second round talent with defensive upside. Aside from Thanasis, I can't think of another example of a nepo situation in basketball.
The Knicks literally had Chris Smith on the team lmao.
Wow Chris Smith is a deep cut. Impressed you pulled that one out.
In Anak’s defense it’s a little bullshit for this player who probably isn’t nba caliber to be declining opportunities to work out in front of teams that better players won’t get.
@KnicksMuse
The Knicks may consider trading Julius Randle to ensure they can re-sign OG Anunoby, per @BrettSiegelNBA
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“New York is going to do everything in their power to make retaining Anunoby their priority, sources said, regardless of whether other teams drive up his price. In doing so, this may lead to the team strongly entertaining the idea of a trade involving Julius Randle, not only for roster purposes but as a cost-saving move as well.”
@KnicksMuse
The Knicks may consider trading Julius Randle to ensure they can re-sign OG Anunoby, per @BrettSiegelNBA
.
“New York is going to do everything in their power to make retaining Anunoby their priority, sources said, regardless of whether other teams drive up his price. In doing so, this may lead to the team strongly entertaining the idea of a trade involving Julius Randle, not only for roster purposes but as a cost-saving move as well.”
Goes along with my feeling that as much as I like Randle, OG is the more important and valuable player here going forward.
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KnicksMuse
@KnicksMuse
The Knicks may consider trading Julius Randle to ensure they can re-sign OG Anunoby, per @BrettSiegelNBA
.
“New York is going to do everything in their power to make retaining Anunoby their priority, sources said, regardless of whether other teams drive up his price. In doing so, this may lead to the team strongly entertaining the idea of a trade involving Julius Randle, not only for roster purposes but as a cost-saving move as well.”
Goes along with my feeling that as much as I like Randle, OG is the more important and valuable player here going forward.
Dolan has been spared paying any money at all for this roster for ages, but that's coming to an end soon.
But they're not going to trade Julius to avoid paying luxury tax or some shit. That's a bonkers take.
Dolan has been spared paying any money at all for this roster for ages, but that's coming to an end soon.
But they're not going to trade Julius to avoid paying luxury tax or some shit. That's a bonkers take.
Has nothing to do with saving money for Dolan, the 1st and 2nd apron extremely hinder the ability to make a trsde for a star...
Its why many think the Knicks will make a deal between now and July 1st then the Knicks will go over the tax and aprons to keep the players they have together..
Dolan has been spared paying any money at all for this roster for ages, but that's coming to an end soon.
But they're not going to trade Julius to avoid paying luxury tax or some shit. That's a bonkers take.
This I agree with.
Using Julius to land a star or better fit is one thing. Knicks aren't moving the guy just to...move him. All NBA for a reason. He's a difference maker.