So I am concerned about how the majority of our team seems to be made out of 100% grade A+ porcelain.
However, that being said, I think we are in great position to contend for a championship next year. I would not engage in any of these wild trade theories we have heard.
Next year I see our roster as largely set.
We have Brunson at the 1 and Divo at the 2. I am largely on the fence with OG, but I would resign him and start him at the 3. Then we have the walking bad attitude/All pro Randle at the 4.
So here is where the question marks begin. I would do everything possible to resign Hartenstein, but I'm going to just assume we fail for the sake of preparing for the worst case scenario. So, the Knicks have two first round picks, and a second.
Now, I know nothing about NBA free agency, but people around here keep insisting expiring contracts have value. I'm not convinced by what I have seen out of the Knicks, but if so, then take advantage of the expiring contract of Bogs and get a backup at either PG, SF, C or finally PF. Then use your first 1st round pick on whichever position you did not address yet starting at backup SF, then C, then PG. Use your second first round pick on a backup PG, or a C, or a SF. Then you have your second round pick to use on a C or a PF. I don't know. Maybe I am overly exuberant, but I think our future is ROSES!
Oh, and if the fans here are full of it and Bogs expiring contract has no value, then I would resign him to a reasonable contract and then instead of looking for a backup SF in the draft, I would look for a backup SG who would prove to be an upgrade over Miles McBride.
Supposedly Clarkson wanted to come to the Knicks at the deadline, i forget who reported it but apparently they heard from Clarkson directly..
Clarkson is the type of move you make after you make your stsr trade..
Clarkson off the bench with Josh hart and maybe Mcbride if he is still here..
Fred Katz has said on multiple podcasts that Randle is bought in on the team with OG. The Knicks do need someone off the bench who can create for himself and others. That means moving Bojan and or Mitch.
This is the first time in forever that there will be talented players traded to upgrade the roster
Fred Katz has said on multiple podcasts that Randle is bought in on the team with OG. The Knicks do need someone off the bench who can create for himself and others. That means moving Bojan and or Mitch.
This is the first time in forever that there will be talented players traded to upgrade the roster
Randle can be bought in all he wants and thats great for the regular season, but in the playoffs i fear jt eont be enough
On the other hand, if Randle is on the court during the frantic sequence that led to Donte’s game winner against Philly - does he do something to screw it up? Does he force up a bad shot if he gets that pass from Hartenstein instead of kicking it out like OG did? That’s what worries you.
If you have Brunson, Divo, big wing, OG and Hartenstein, that is a tough lineup to defend with multiple options..
Then you add a scorer off the bench with Hart
Grimes was part of the January lineup. He wasn't traded until February 8.
And, as I posted above, he made significant contribution to two (of only four) games the OG/Randle lineup won against a playoff team, scoring a season high 19 points in each.
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If you have Brunson, Divo, big wing, OG and Hartenstein, that is a tough lineup to defend with multiple options..
Then you add a scorer off the bench with Hart
Fair enough, but note that DDV was starting but often not finishing. He averaged fewer minutes than Hart did for the OG/Randle lineup (24.8 vs 27.8).
The tradeoff there is an issue that went away with Randle's injury, but will return next year.
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he fit in seamlessly when the Knicks put the January lineup together. Donte and OG are unselfish high IQ players who make quick decisions. Much different than the previous lineups - RJ was shoot first, Mitch isn’t part of the offense aside from screens and crashing the boards, Grimes was strictly catch and shoot from the corners.
Grimes was part of the January lineup. He wasn't traded until February 8.
And, as I posted above, he made significant contribution to two (of only four) games the OG/Randle lineup won against a playoff team, scoring a season high 19 points in each.
You keep bringing up how the January lineup was some sort of fluke and not really sustainable because of who they beat..
First off the lineup was beating teams by 17 points and were the nunber 1 defense by far...
second you are completely leaving out when OG played they were 26-5....
So maybe the jan lineup is a little overhyped, but they are still an elite team with OG..
If you have Brunson, Divo, big wing, OG and Hartenstein, that is a tough lineup to defend with multiple options..
Then you add a scorer off the bench with Hart
Honestly, I think Randle fills most of what you are looking for there. When he is bought in, he looks the part of an excellent Robin to Brunson's Batman. All reports are that he is bought in, and hopefully watching how this team played with Brunson as the focal point has convinced him to fully embrace taking the backseat. He just needs to know when to pick his spots, and in which match ups he needs to take on more of the scoring load.
The biggest benefit I am looking forward to seeing with Randle next season is he prevents teams from selling out on Brunson the way that Philly and Indiana did. You want to throw Oubre your all of your long defenders at Brunson, want to double him and trap him? Good luck playing 4v3 against a lineup that also has Julius Randle on the floor. We have all watched Randle long enough to know teams consistently throw double teams at him, the guy eats up single coverage, and you can't double both him and Brunson.
I just hope we get a locked in Julius this season. The defensive lapses, the possessions that he doesn't even pretend to try to rotate or closeout, that shit can't happen anymore.
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with another big wing that cna handle a little bit and can knock down the 3, doesnt need the ball to be effective but when Brunson is off, he can tske kver the ball handling..
If you have Brunson, Divo, big wing, OG and Hartenstein, that is a tough lineup to defend with multiple options..
Then you add a scorer off the bench with Hart
Honestly, I think Randle fills most of what you are looking for there. When he is bought in, he looks the part of an excellent Robin to Brunson's Batman. All reports are that he is bought in, and hopefully watching how this team played with Brunson as the focal point has convinced him to fully embrace taking the backseat. He just needs to know when to pick his spots, and in which match ups he needs to take on more of the scoring load.
The biggest benefit I am looking forward to seeing with Randle next season is he prevents teams from selling out on Brunson the way that Philly and Indiana did. You want to throw Oubre your all of your long defenders at Brunson, want to double him and trap him? Good luck playing 4v3 against a lineup that also has Julius Randle on the floor. We have all watched Randle long enough to know teams consistently throw double teams at him, the guy eats up single coverage, and you can't double both him and Brunson.
I just hope we get a locked in Julius this season. The defensive lapses, the possessions that he doesn't even pretend to try to rotate or closeout, that shit can't happen anymore.
Everything you said is fine for the regular season, i happen to think they could win 60 games with that team because of the lack of defense and how dominant that atarting 5 can be and i even would be fine running it back..
But at the same time when it comes to the playoffs its not about just not being able to double Brunson, they werent able to double Brunson in these playoffs. Its also not about just oh move the ball and run an offense, in the playoffs it is iso heavy, every team runs it, ball in your best players hands...How does Randle help that when he is a 35% shooter?
Can Randle create a little bit and make Brunson's life easier? 100% but at the same time when Brunson is off we see Randle and the Knicks struggle..
In the playoffs 3 minutes left you trust Randle with the ball in his hands? Will the defense in that situation be scared of Randle off ball? I dont think so..
I think Randle is a damn good player but sometimes that damn good player is not the right fit or is jist not enough to put you over the top, Look at Derozan and Lowry in Toronto, they won 60 games and didnt win anything in the playoffs..
You need a dynamic scorer who can also shoot the 3 consistently next to Brunson
So who is in your way in the east?
Boston: 2 big wings, play a little bit smaller and shoot a ton of 3s and switch everything defensively..
Milwaukee: Giannis and Dame for now, an older team but shoot a ton of 3s
Orlando: Young, athletic, will play hard defemse for 48, not the best shooting team, definitely need another guy next to banchero
Those are the 3 teams in the east that will give you trouble in the next 2 or 3 years
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with another big wing that cna handle a little bit and can knock down the 3, doesnt need the ball to be effective but when Brunson is off, he can tske kver the ball handling..
If you have Brunson, Divo, big wing, OG and Hartenstein, that is a tough lineup to defend with multiple options..
Then you add a scorer off the bench with Hart
Honestly, I think Randle fills most of what you are looking for there. When he is bought in, he looks the part of an excellent Robin to Brunson's Batman. All reports are that he is bought in, and hopefully watching how this team played with Brunson as the focal point has convinced him to fully embrace taking the backseat. He just needs to know when to pick his spots, and in which match ups he needs to take on more of the scoring load.
The biggest benefit I am looking forward to seeing with Randle next season is he prevents teams from selling out on Brunson the way that Philly and Indiana did. You want to throw Oubre your all of your long defenders at Brunson, want to double him and trap him? Good luck playing 4v3 against a lineup that also has Julius Randle on the floor. We have all watched Randle long enough to know teams consistently throw double teams at him, the guy eats up single coverage, and you can't double both him and Brunson.
I just hope we get a locked in Julius this season. The defensive lapses, the possessions that he doesn't even pretend to try to rotate or closeout, that shit can't happen anymore.
Excellent post. Could not echo these sentiments any more strongly.
I just hope we get a locked in Julius this season. The defensive lapses, the possessions that he doesn't even pretend to try to rotate or closeout, that shit can't happen anymore.
This is the problem right here, what happens when you go over the second apron and this keeps happening and you are stuck?
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with another big wing that cna handle a little bit and can knock down the 3, doesnt need the ball to be effective but when Brunson is off, he can tske kver the ball handling..
If you have Brunson, Divo, big wing, OG and Hartenstein, that is a tough lineup to defend with multiple options..
Then you add a scorer off the bench with Hart
Honestly, I think Randle fills most of what you are looking for there. When he is bought in, he looks the part of an excellent Robin to Brunson's Batman. All reports are that he is bought in, and hopefully watching how this team played with Brunson as the focal point has convinced him to fully embrace taking the backseat. He just needs to know when to pick his spots, and in which match ups he needs to take on more of the scoring load.
The biggest benefit I am looking forward to seeing with Randle next season is he prevents teams from selling out on Brunson the way that Philly and Indiana did. You want to throw Oubre your all of your long defenders at Brunson, want to double him and trap him? Good luck playing 4v3 against a lineup that also has Julius Randle on the floor. We have all watched Randle long enough to know teams consistently throw double teams at him, the guy eats up single coverage, and you can't double both him and Brunson.
I just hope we get a locked in Julius this season. The defensive lapses, the possessions that he doesn't even pretend to try to rotate or closeout, that shit can't happen anymore.
Really well said. Brunson's spot up opportunities went to 0 after Julius left the lineup. We need a player that will create gravity on offense (and ideally be efficient). I don't think that Mikal Bridges would have that effect on this team, as much as I like him as a player.
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I just hope we get a locked in Julius this season. The defensive lapses, the possessions that he doesn't even pretend to try to rotate or closeout, that shit can't happen anymore.
This is the problem right here, what happens when you go over the second apron and this keeps happening and you are stuck?
Because of the cap implications they are going to have to make a decision on Julius before the trade deadline. In theory Julius could be the guy that checks all of those boxes, but if January roles around and he isn't fitting in or isn't buying in to what his role should be, then you look to move him. If they sign him to an extension early August, then they can still move him at the deadline as 6 months will have gone by.
Ideally they are able to find the right trade this summer, involving Julius or not, but it's not like they are totally screwed if they have to go into this season with the same core that went 12-1 with OG, Julius, and Brunson in the lineup together. They will definitely have to get more creative, but there are still ways to maneuver.
Either way though i trust the front office so if they dont make a deal i am not going to kill them, cant blame them for thinking this team healthy can do some damage
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ESPN’s Chris Herring says the Memphis Grizzlies should trade for Mitchell Robinson in his recent article, “10 Blockbuster Deals That Need to Happen This Offseason.”
“Memphis would almost certainly have to send out the same amount of salary -- possibly someone like sharpshooter Luke Kennard -- in order to make the deal work”
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ESPN’s Chris Herring says the Memphis Grizzlies should trade for Mitchell Robinson in his recent article, “10 Blockbuster Deals That Need to Happen This Offseason.”
“Memphis would almost certainly have to send out the same amount of salary -- possibly someone like sharpshooter Luke Kennard -- in order to make the deal work”
Wtihout knowing Kennard's contract details, I like the idea. Kennard is a sharpshooter and can replace Bojan's production (again, IDK his contract) and as much as we like Mitch and his defensive presence, he simply can't stay healthy. Cut bait.
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ESPN’s Chris Herring says the Memphis Grizzlies should trade for Mitchell Robinson in his recent article, “10 Blockbuster Deals That Need to Happen This Offseason.”
“Memphis would almost certainly have to send out the same amount of salary -- possibly someone like sharpshooter Luke Kennard -- in order to make the deal work”
Wtihout knowing Kennard's contract details, I like the idea. Kennard is a sharpshooter and can replace Bojan's production (again, IDK his contract) and as much as we like Mitch and his defensive presence, he simply can't stay healthy. Cut bait.
Kennard has 1 year remaining and then is a UFA.
True, but I want us to re-sign iHart. I'd rather have Claxton, but I think Hartenstein is more realistic.
I get there are warts in his game but they don't offset what Randle does so well. When he's cooking, he can carry an offense and he offers a physical matchup that is trouble for some lineups. He rebounds and can put pressure on the defense. And he can make people pay behind the arc and at the line. The Knicks can try to get someone better but they won't be easy to find and acquire.
I get there are warts in his game but they don't offset what Randle does so well. When he's cooking, he can carry an offense and he offers a physical matchup that is trouble for some lineups. He rebounds and can put pressure on the defense. And he can make people pay behind the arc and at the line. The Knicks can try to get someone better but they won't be easy to find and acquire.
I dont think anyone is arguing that Randle is a good player or that hr could kf been used to beat the Pacers...
The question is can you win a championship with Randle extended making 45 million and he is their 2nd best player
If you think the knicks win those crazy late games with Randle on the floor instead of Hart, I don't know what to tell you.
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Markkanen and Kessler(plus filler)
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Markkanen and Kessler(plus filler)
I suspect Utah would pass very, very hard on that one. Markkannen will be 27 for the entire 2025 season, Julius will be 30 coming off major shoulder surgery. Kessler finished 3rd in ROY in 2023, followed it up with 8 and 8 this season with 2.4 blocks, 18.0 PER/.131 WS/48... and this is Danny Ainge we are talking about
However, yeah, Ainge doesn't make fair trades and doesn't work with the knicks either.
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- Said rockets never offered all the Nets picks back to them for Bridges as previously reported but Marci who really is quite bad at this never asked if the Knicks were going to make a play
- mentioned that Kal’el Ware is a CAA guy (I really like Ware personally)
- thinks the Knicks are the floor for Ryan Dunn (I also like him a lot as OG backup)
Dunn, Ware, Collier, Missi, George, Furphy.
They’ll have some interesting choices of guys to let sit and develop.
I doubt they make all three picks still but a lot of interesting guys.
I’m also going to keep stumping for Ajay Mitchell for as long as I can
Does anyone know if the Mavs pick falls if they win the title?
Dunn, Ware, Collier, Missi, George, Furphy.
They’ll have some interesting choices of guys to let sit and develop.
I doubt they make all three picks still but a lot of interesting guys.
I’m also going to keep stumping for Ajay Mitchell for as long as I can
Does anyone know if the Mavs pick falls if they win the title?
The Mavs pick is locked in
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And have two picks in the range where the value of the draft will land which is that mid to late first range.
Dunn, Ware, Collier, Missi, George, Furphy.
They’ll have some interesting choices of guys to let sit and develop.
I doubt they make all three picks still but a lot of interesting guys.
I’m also going to keep stumping for Ajay Mitchell for as long as I can
Does anyone know if the Mavs pick falls if they win the title?
The Mavs pick is locked in
Sweet, thank you. Wasn’t sure if it drops to 30 like in the NFL
Yeah if they don't use one or both picks in a trade for a star it makes total sense to package them to move up into the 15-20 range to get one player they really like. They probably don't want 2 rookies any way and they have that high 2nd rounder even if they do.
Fischer - ( New Window )
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The Knicks will be limited to offering their center a four-year, $72.5 million deal because of his early Bird rights. Any interested rival team will have the ability to double that amount — as much as $151.6 million over the same four-year length. There’s little expectation he’ll draw such a significant number, but league executives and cap strategists are projecting Hartenstein will be able to draw at least $80 million, and perhaps upward of $100 million, from a team hoping to steal Hartenstein from Madison Square Garden.
Fischer - ( New Window )
Starting to get a little strange that 99% of people think OG and iHart are returning and Fischer, a known Philly guy, publishes back to back articles hypothesizing based on loose “sources” that they could leave.
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The Knicks will be limited to offering their center a four-year, $72.5 million deal because of his early Bird rights. Any interested rival team will have the ability to double that amount — as much as $151.6 million over the same four-year length. There’s little expectation he’ll draw such a significant number, but league executives and cap strategists are projecting Hartenstein will be able to draw at least $80 million, and perhaps upward of $100 million, from a team hoping to steal Hartenstein from Madison Square Garden.
Fischer - ( New Window )
Starting to get a little strange that 99% of people think OG and iHart are returning and Fischer, a known Philly guy, publishes back to back articles hypothesizing based on loose “sources” that they could leave.
He admitted his sources on OG were from other teams telling him, hmm i wonder who 1 of those teams were, none of his sources were from CAA or OG...
I am betting the same with this..
He even said he expects OG to sign with Knicks
Also said he thinks the Suns will quietly discuss KD with teams