why would Runyan's skill set (good pass blocker/so-so run blocker) "scream" right guard?
I think the Giants prefer more athleticism at left guard, ergo spending an early 3rd round pick on Ezeudu, who I don't believe for a second they have given up on. And Runyan was moved from left guard to right guard (where he started for the past two seasons) by the Packers for a reason.
I think Runyan was signed to replace Glowinski and man the right guard position for the next four years (with McKethan as his current challenger). I think Eluemunor was signed as expensive insurance across several spots along the OL and also as competition for Ezeudu. Ideally (I think) we're looking at a starting OL from left to right of...
Thomas Ezeudu JMS Runyan Neal
beast this year with Hyatt and Nabers outside.. This could be a major breakout season for him, eating up S's and Lb'ers underneath as well as end rounds etc.
60-70 rec's, lots of move the chains catches..
Shades of Diggs & Cole Beasley in BUF. Daboll did a nice job playing them off eachother. And if you overcommit, Hyatt should be 1on1 on the backside.
at RG and Eleumenor at LG has me really scratching my head. And I'm not even saying Boo about Ezeudu at LT. Holy cannoli.
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At this point in time, it may be good to see how position flexible each of the guards are by putting them in their relative “weakest” position to make sure they can handle it if needed. I am expecting that Eleumenor is going to be practicing at both guards and both tackles, Runyon at both guard spots, Ezeudu at LT and both guard spots, and Neal at both tackle spots and maybe guard too. Everyone will have to settle in to their likely starting spots when the hitting starts, but right now they need to show their balance and footwork at various positions.
Stuff like this makes it easier to understand why they've been bad so long.
These guys barely practice anymore. And most of the time, when they actually do, it's musical chairs. That 40-0 game is still fresh in my mind. Absurd.
But They are going to have to win my trust through their actions. Talk is cheap.
I hope the smart people making decisions can quickly figure out what position is best for that player and then play the best guy…not just the guy who was drafted higher.
Stuff like this makes it easier to understand why they've been bad so long.
These guys barely practice anymore. And most of the time, when they actually do, it's musical chairs. That 40-0 game is still fresh in my mind. Absurd.
When are they supposed to figure out who plays where?
But They are going to have to win my trust through their actions. Talk is cheap.
I hope the smart people making decisions can quickly figure out what position is best for that player and then play the best guy…not just the guy who was drafted higher.
Let me give you a hint. No one cares if you trust them or not.
Practicing recognizing/picking up twists and stunts?
They keep pushing Ezeudu at LG. His athleticism would provide the best potential there. Do not like the LT talk and movement. He was abysmal there last year. I do feel Eluemenor would be good on either side but I feel his experience with Bricillo would help both Schmitz and Neal more.
It's May. Literally first practice. We have a new Oline coach. You think maybe he wants to get a few different looks at these guys in some spots before they lock them in somewhere and throw away the key?
It's May. Literally first practice. We have a new Oline coach. You think maybe he wants to get a few different looks at these guys in some spots before they lock them in somewhere and throw away the key?
I think it's fine to take a look at guys in different spots. But with guys like the FAs they brought in, these guys have both tape and personal preferences. At some point extended evaluation becomes lack of committment. The sooner these guys are in the right spots, the better.
It's May. Literally first practice. We have a new Oline coach. You think maybe he wants to get a few different looks at these guys in some spots before they lock them in somewhere and throw away the key?
I think it's fine to take a look at guys in different spots. But with guys like the FAs they brought in, these guys have both tape and personal preferences. At some point extended evaluation becomes lack of committment. The sooner these guys are in the right spots, the better.
agree this is not some 3rd round rookie projects.
these are veterans with 4-5 years in the league.
neal is in his 3rd year as wel.
if they are doing musical chairs deep into training camp, then its clear to me its daboll philosophy and not carmen bricillo or anyone else previously.
there is no more contact, practices are slim. preseason is shortnened.
for the worst OL in NFL history, everything is magnified and matter this offseason. every OTA/minicamp/training camp practice matters. preseason will matter a lot.
dallas turner, andrew van ginkel and greenard are no slouches in week 1. they will sack your QB.
Who likes to play musical chairs with the OL? It’s odd for a guy to say his best position is LG and start off on the right. There is a difference between right and left, it’s not just play the best 5. Some guys have a hard time adjusting to the other side.
I just hope that by training camp they get guys in their main spot and keep them there for the most part. Cross training should be more of the backups so you don’t upset the whole OL if a guy goes down
Last season during training camp with all of the moving around I think held the unit back from being comfortable by game 1. Benching Glowinski right off the bat should have been taken care of before the 1st game. The OL is a unit that works best when they all know what the guy next to them is doing. It needs time to be good. I think this is why other teams have OL go down and the 2nd stringer steps in and does well, because they practice that way. I’ve never seen such instability during practices like they did last year. Just let guys settle in and learn.
He's not in the pictures. (Probably the one position where they have the most guys covered in the pictures is WR. On the flip side, they don't take many pictures of the OLs and DLs).
If you know that either can be the backup at the other position you are less likely to keep a backup OG who can only play the position that your other starter can flip to. If Runyan is your starting LG, but he can be the backup RG in a pinch why keep someone around who can only play RG if you have a backup LG who might offer more versatility and/or upside?
Stuff like this makes it easier to understand why they've been bad so long.
These guys barely practice anymore. And most of the time, when they actually do, it's musical chairs. That 40-0 game is still fresh in my mind. Absurd.
The new OLC is likely trying to see everything that he can. Nothing wrong with a few days of film to evaluate their feet, lean, drive and overall tendencies from both sides of the line.
Who likes to play musical chairs with the OL? It’s odd for a guy to say his best position is LG and start off on the right. There is a difference between right and left, it’s not just play the best 5. Some guys have a hard time adjusting to the other side.
I just hope that by training camp they get guys in their main spot and keep them there for the most part. Cross training should be more of the backups so you don’t upset the whole OL if a guy goes down
Last season during training camp with all of the moving around I think held the unit back from being comfortable by game 1. Benching Glowinski right off the bat should have been taken care of before the 1st game. The OL is a unit that works best when they all know what the guy next to them is doing. It needs time to be good. I think this is why other teams have OL go down and the 2nd stringer steps in and does well, because they practice that way. I’ve never seen such instability during practices like they did last year. Just let guys settle in and learn.
I’m taking it on faith that Daboll is smart enough not to repeat his fuck-up with the O-line from last season which was really a double fuck-up: Joe Schoen believing he had enough horses upfront and Daboll moving the horses around from stable to stable.
Who likes to play musical chairs with the OL? It’s odd for a guy to say his best position is LG and start off on the right. There is a difference between right and left, it’s not just play the best 5. Some guys have a hard time adjusting to the other side.
Since he played all of last season at RG, putting him back at LG would be adjusting to the other side again. Eluemunor might be the deciding factor. Another curveball might be Evan Neal. He started at LG at Alabama. So if at some point they give up on him being a RT and Eluemunor is the backup plan, moving Neal to LG might already be in the back of their mind.
It seems some people have never followed offseason football
It's day 1 --no body has a hard fast spot yet outside of guys like Thomas. They brought in 5 Oline FAs who have experience in multiple spots, 2 undrafted guys, and they need to figure out what to do with a former number seven pick overall. All this with a new Oline coach who is getting his hands on these guys for the first time. If you follow any college football or any NFL football, the overwhelming majority of Oline do not have one fixed spot in their career. Even if you hadn't followed any offseason football to know how this works, simple logic would lead you to an obvious conclusion.
RE: It seems some people have never followed offseason football
It's day 1 --no body has a hard fast spot yet outside of guys like Thomas. They brought in 5 Oline FAs who have experience in multiple spots, 2 undrafted guys, and they need to figure out what to do with a former number seven pick overall. All this with a new Oline coach who is getting his hands on these guys for the first time. If you follow any college football or any NFL football, the overwhelming majority of Oline do not have one fixed spot in their career. Even if you hadn't followed any offseason football to know how this works, simple logic would lead you to an obvious conclusion.
That's definitely true, and a good post Uber, however based on track record and especially with last year still fresh in our minds, I think the reactions are... understandable... lol. They need to finally start moving in the right direction with the OL. We can't compete in the NFC East until the OL play is vastly better.
Its a brand new OL coach, who had a lot of success with the Raiders
another crappy team. He also knows Eluemanor from the Raiders. Its May, he probably knows exactly what Eluemanor can do and just wants to see what Runyon can do. Its early and since he's new I'm cutting him slack, I'm going to let him do his job
Yep. I agree. At the end of the day, really, whatever happens in the offseason --this staff is on the hook to produce results. There is absolutely reason to be skeptical, but ultimately that's how they'll be judged.
RE: Its a brand new OL coach, who had a lot of success with the Raiders
another crappy team. He also knows Eluemanor from the Raiders. Its May, he probably knows exactly what Eluemanor can do and just wants to see what Runyon can do. Its early and since he's new I'm cutting him slack, I'm going to let him do his job
Add to all the uncertainty of bad OL, multiple new guys, old guys re-habbing, new coach and new system, these early days are devoid of hitting and moving under fire, the kinds of physical stuff that will determine who plays where and how well they play. This jigsaw puzzle will not be put in place over night much as we might yearn for progress.
Stuff like this makes it easier to understand why they've been bad so long.
Do you really think you know better than the Giants coaching staff?
Did u watch the offensive line play last year? They don't get the benefit of the doubt after that debacle
assuming coaches know more is a big fallacy.
wasnt it eric who said its just a bunch of phys ed degrees going up against one another?
it was a clear mistake all their switching along the OL last training camp. they need to settle on a 5 and go through the offseason with a 5.
Assuming professionals that do this for a living know more than a bunch of nitwit fans sitting on their couches is a “fallacy”? Holy shitballs.
Coaches may or may not be successful. But I guarantee you that every single one of them know more about football on their worst days than your sorry, useless ass
a better run blocker since they generally pull the Guard to the right? It would appear that Runyan is not as good a run blocker as Elumenor and maybe that’s why Bricillo wants a look at them from those positions?! Just spit-balling here.
Stuff like this makes it easier to understand why they've been bad so long.
These guys barely practice anymore. And most of the time, when they actually do, it's musical chairs. That 40-0 game is still fresh in my mind. Absurd.
The new OLC is likely trying to see everything that he can. Nothing wrong with a few days of film to evaluate their feet, lean, drive and overall tendencies from both sides of the line.
That's fair, but if it was me, I'd start off by having everyone in their intended positions, then start to change things up a bit. Seems odd to have them "out of position" on the first day of practice IMO. I think chances are good these are their initial positions.
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#NYGiants Daniel Jones participated in 7-on-7s during the first day of closed-doors OTAs, per team reporter.
I've heard nothing but rave reviews about his on-field work during the first 2 phases of the offseason program. Throwing with accuracy and velocity.
I think Runyan was signed to replace Glowinski and man the right guard position for the next four years (with McKethan as his current challenger). I think Eluemunor was signed as expensive insurance across several spots along the OL and also as competition for Ezeudu. Ideally (I think) we're looking at a starting OL from left to right of...
Thomas Ezeudu JMS Runyan Neal
60-70 rec's, lots of move the chains catches..
Shades of Diggs & Cole Beasley in BUF. Daboll did a nice job playing them off eachother. And if you overcommit, Hyatt should be 1on1 on the backside.
At this point in time, it may be good to see how position flexible each of the guards are by putting them in their relative “weakest” position to make sure they can handle it if needed. I am expecting that Eleumenor is going to be practicing at both guards and both tackles, Runyon at both guard spots, Ezeudu at LT and both guard spots, and Neal at both tackle spots and maybe guard too. Everyone will have to settle in to their likely starting spots when the hitting starts, but right now they need to show their balance and footwork at various positions.
In pictures I also saw Stinnie at LG and Mayfield at RG. And Joshua Miles at LT.
These guys barely practice anymore. And most of the time, when they actually do, it's musical chairs. That 40-0 game is still fresh in my mind. Absurd.
I hope the smart people making decisions can quickly figure out what position is best for that player and then play the best guy…not just the guy who was drafted higher.
These guys barely practice anymore. And most of the time, when they actually do, it's musical chairs. That 40-0 game is still fresh in my mind. Absurd.
When are they supposed to figure out who plays where?
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I hope the smart people making decisions can quickly figure out what position is best for that player and then play the best guy…not just the guy who was drafted higher.
Let me give you a hint. No one cares if you trust them or not.
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Stuff like this makes it easier to understand why they've been bad so long.
Do you really think you know better than the Giants coaching staff?
No, but I think it's really important for an Offensive Line to gain cohesion. And they don't practice much anymore.
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Stuff like this makes it easier to understand why they've been bad so long.
Do you really think you know better than the Giants coaching staff?
I'm no expert, but the Giants' OL coaching staff has been a total clusterfuck. They they still carry that title until they prove otherwise.
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Stuff like this makes it easier to understand why they've been bad so long.
Do you really think you know better than the Giants coaching staff?
Did u watch the offensive line play last year? They don't get the benefit of the doubt after that debacle
Hopefully this time it does.
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Stuff like this makes it easier to understand why they've been bad so long.
Do you really think you know better than the Giants coaching staff?
Did u watch the offensive line play last year? They don't get the benefit of the doubt after that debacle
assuming coaches know more is a big fallacy.
wasnt it eric who said its just a bunch of phys ed degrees going up against one another?
it was a clear mistake all their switching along the OL last training camp. they need to settle on a 5 and go through the offseason with a 5.
I think it's fine to take a look at guys in different spots. But with guys like the FAs they brought in, these guys have both tape and personal preferences. At some point extended evaluation becomes lack of committment. The sooner these guys are in the right spots, the better.
assuming coaches know more is a big fallacy.
wasnt it eric who said its just a bunch of phys ed degrees going up against one another?
it was a clear mistake all their switching along the OL last training camp. they need to settle on a 5 and go through the offseason with a 5.
''There are no geniuses in our business,'' Fassel said. ''We're all P.E. majors coaching P.E. majors.''
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assuming coaches know more is a big fallacy.
wasnt it eric who said its just a bunch of phys ed degrees going up against one another?
it was a clear mistake all their switching along the OL last training camp. they need to settle on a 5 and go through the offseason with a 5.
''There are no geniuses in our business,'' Fassel said. ''We're all P.E. majors coaching P.E. majors.''
While I appreciate the self deprecating humor, there obviously are some geniuses in the business
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It's May. Literally first practice. We have a new Oline coach. You think maybe he wants to get a few different looks at these guys in some spots before they lock them in somewhere and throw away the key?
I think it's fine to take a look at guys in different spots. But with guys like the FAs they brought in, these guys have both tape and personal preferences. At some point extended evaluation becomes lack of committment. The sooner these guys are in the right spots, the better.
agree this is not some 3rd round rookie projects.
these are veterans with 4-5 years in the league.
neal is in his 3rd year as wel.
if they are doing musical chairs deep into training camp, then its clear to me its daboll philosophy and not carmen bricillo or anyone else previously.
there is no more contact, practices are slim. preseason is shortnened.
for the worst OL in NFL history, everything is magnified and matter this offseason. every OTA/minicamp/training camp practice matters. preseason will matter a lot.
dallas turner, andrew van ginkel and greenard are no slouches in week 1. they will sack your QB.
2022 11 games at RG, 6 at LG
2023 17 games at RG
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Reports: Giants agree to terms with OL Jon Runyan Jr. - ( New Window )
I just hope that by training camp they get guys in their main spot and keep them there for the most part. Cross training should be more of the backups so you don’t upset the whole OL if a guy goes down
Last season during training camp with all of the moving around I think held the unit back from being comfortable by game 1. Benching Glowinski right off the bat should have been taken care of before the 1st game. The OL is a unit that works best when they all know what the guy next to them is doing. It needs time to be good. I think this is why other teams have OL go down and the 2nd stringer steps in and does well, because they practice that way. I’ve never seen such instability during practices like they did last year. Just let guys settle in and learn.
2022 11 games at RG, 6 at LG
2023 17 games at RG
See article listed
Reports: Giants agree to terms with OL Jon Runyan Jr. - ( New Window )
He's played both. But he said his preference was LG. What's odd is I think Eluemunor said his preference was RG or RT.
I was just searching all the pictures and comments to ask the same question!
He's not in the pictures. (Probably the one position where they have the most guys covered in the pictures is WR. On the flip side, they don't take many pictures of the OLs and DLs).
These guys barely practice anymore. And most of the time, when they actually do, it's musical chairs. That 40-0 game is still fresh in my mind. Absurd.
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Stuff like this makes it easier to understand why they've been bad so long.
Do you really think you know better than the Giants coaching staff?
Did u watch the offensive line play last year? They don't get the benefit of the doubt after that debacle
assuming coaches know more is a big fallacy.
wasnt it eric who said its just a bunch of phys ed degrees going up against one another?
it was a clear mistake all their switching along the OL last training camp. they need to settle on a 5 and go through the offseason with a 5.
It seems that you are suggesting that settle without 1st watching and learning.
I just hope that by training camp they get guys in their main spot and keep them there for the most part. Cross training should be more of the backups so you don’t upset the whole OL if a guy goes down
Last season during training camp with all of the moving around I think held the unit back from being comfortable by game 1. Benching Glowinski right off the bat should have been taken care of before the 1st game. The OL is a unit that works best when they all know what the guy next to them is doing. It needs time to be good. I think this is why other teams have OL go down and the 2nd stringer steps in and does well, because they practice that way. I’ve never seen such instability during practices like they did last year. Just let guys settle in and learn.
I’m taking it on faith that Daboll is smart enough not to repeat his fuck-up with the O-line from last season which was really a double fuck-up: Joe Schoen believing he had enough horses upfront and Daboll moving the horses around from stable to stable.
Since he played all of last season at RG, putting him back at LG would be adjusting to the other side again. Eluemunor might be the deciding factor. Another curveball might be Evan Neal. He started at LG at Alabama. So if at some point they give up on him being a RT and Eluemunor is the backup plan, moving Neal to LG might already be in the back of their mind.
That's definitely true, and a good post Uber, however based on track record and especially with last year still fresh in our minds, I think the reactions are... understandable... lol. They need to finally start moving in the right direction with the OL. We can't compete in the NFC East until the OL play is vastly better.
+1
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Stuff like this makes it easier to understand why they've been bad so long.
Do you really think you know better than the Giants coaching staff?
Did u watch the offensive line play last year? They don't get the benefit of the doubt after that debacle
assuming coaches know more is a big fallacy.
wasnt it eric who said its just a bunch of phys ed degrees going up against one another?
it was a clear mistake all their switching along the OL last training camp. they need to settle on a 5 and go through the offseason with a 5.
Assuming professionals that do this for a living know more than a bunch of nitwit fans sitting on their couches is a “fallacy”? Holy shitballs.
Coaches may or may not be successful. But I guarantee you that every single one of them know more about football on their worst days than your sorry, useless ass
That’s Brian Burns
That’s Brian Burns
dang, BBS, completely blanked on/forgot that. The player in the pic looked so trim, athletic and not like a front 7 guy.
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assuming coaches know more is a big fallacy.
wasnt it eric who said its just a bunch of phys ed degrees going up against one another?
it was a clear mistake all their switching along the OL last training camp. they need to settle on a 5 and go through the offseason with a 5.
''There are no geniuses in our business,'' Fassel said. ''We're all P.E. majors coaching P.E. majors.''
While I appreciate the self deprecating humor, there obviously are some geniuses in the business
Yeah, I was going to say not all P.E. majors are created equal. I still like the quote though. :)
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Stuff like this makes it easier to understand why they've been bad so long.
These guys barely practice anymore. And most of the time, when they actually do, it's musical chairs. That 40-0 game is still fresh in my mind. Absurd.
The new OLC is likely trying to see everything that he can. Nothing wrong with a few days of film to evaluate their feet, lean, drive and overall tendencies from both sides of the line.
That's fair, but if it was me, I'd start off by having everyone in their intended positions, then start to change things up a bit. Seems odd to have them "out of position" on the first day of practice IMO. I think chances are good these are their initial positions.