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Ron from Ninerland : 5/20/2024 4:47 pm


Ian Hamilton to the COVID IL.
Clayton Andrews called up.
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RE: This is Holmes, the cardiac kid  
section125 : 5/21/2024 7:46 am : link
In comment 16520975 Beer Man said:
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Routinely puts people on base before closing out. Sooner or later it catches up and costs the team. You can't have you closer frequently giving opponents a chance.


There were two infield dinks(and I mean dinks), a blooper and a hard hit grounder. Not exactly getting crushed. Even the sac fly was an uppercut floater...
^^^^^^  
Del Shofner : 5/21/2024 9:42 am : link
also he walked two batters in two-thirds of an inning, which was really the fatal part. The dinks and dunks would not have lost the game absent the walks.
RE: ^^^^^^  
section125 : 5/21/2024 9:47 am : link
In comment 16521070 Del Shofner said:
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also he walked two batters in two-thirds of an inning, which was really the fatal part. The dinks and dunks would not have lost the game absent the walks.


Two walks? Yeesh. Knew there was one. But those were the fatal flaws.
RE: RE: This is Holmes, the cardiac kid  
Beer Man : 5/21/2024 11:32 am : link
In comment 16521001 section125 said:
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In comment 16520975 Beer Man said:


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Routinely puts people on base before closing out. Sooner or later it catches up and costs the team. You can't have you closer frequently giving opponents a chance.



There were two infield dinks(and I mean dinks), a blooper and a hard hit grounder. Not exactly getting crushed. Even the sac fly was an uppercut floater...
Are you saying that Holmes doesn't routinely pitch himself into jams? It was the same story with Holmes last season, and it got to the point that Boone started using other relievers to close out games.
RE: This is Holmes, the cardiac kid  
k2tampa : 5/21/2024 2:59 pm : link
In comment 16520975 Beer Man said:
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Routinely puts people on base before closing out. Sooner or later it catches up and costs the team. You can't have you closer frequently giving opponents a chance.


Kind of funny that people forget that Mo had a WHIP of over 1 nine times and over 0.95 four times. That means he was averaging a guy on base in every inning he pitched. His career regular season WHIP was 1. It was in the playoffs where he was really dialed in. His career postseason WHIP was 0.75.

Then there was Chapman, who seemed to get in serious trouble every other game. I still remember him walking two guys on 9 pitches to start the 9th in a one-run game only to get bailed out by a scorched grounded to the 3rd base bag that turned into a triple play and bailed him out. And Devers taking him deep is burned in my brain too.
RE: RE: RE: This is Holmes, the cardiac kid  
section125 : 5/21/2024 3:08 pm : link
In comment 16521165 Beer Man said:
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In comment 16521001 section125 said:


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In comment 16520975 Beer Man said:


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Routinely puts people on base before closing out. Sooner or later it catches up and costs the team. You can't have you closer frequently giving opponents a chance.



There were two infield dinks(and I mean dinks), a blooper and a hard hit grounder. Not exactly getting crushed. Even the sac fly was an uppercut floater...

Are you saying that Holmes doesn't routinely pitch himself into jams? It was the same story with Holmes last season, and it got to the point that Boone started using other relievers to close out games.


Did I say that? Show me - WTF beers?....he is the 2nd coming of John Wetteland. But 95% of the time he gets it done. Last night was just as much bad luck as anything else.

He had a 0.00 ERA coming in - pretty piss poor I'd say.
I was fearing a loss after they hit into three DP's  
GeofromNJ : 5/21/2024 5:08 pm : link
You can't squander your opportunities and expect to win, regardless of who you're playing. Anything can happen in a ball game.
RE: RE: This is Holmes, the cardiac kid  
Beer Man : 5/22/2024 7:41 am : link
In comment 16521385 k2tampa said:
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In comment 16520975 Beer Man said:


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Routinely puts people on base before closing out. Sooner or later it catches up and costs the team. You can't have you closer frequently giving opponents a chance.



Kind of funny that people forget that Mo had a WHIP of over 1 nine times and over 0.95 four times. That means he was averaging a guy on base in every inning he pitched. His career regular season WHIP was 1. It was in the playoffs where he was really dialed in. His career postseason WHIP was 0.75.

Then there was Chapman, who seemed to get in serious trouble every other game. I still remember him walking two guys on 9 pitches to start the 9th in a one-run game only to get bailed out by a scorched grounded to the 3rd base bag that turned into a triple play and bailed him out. And Devers taking him deep is burned in my brain too.
But opponents hit:
- .154 against Chapman
- .211 against Rivera
- .241 against Holmes

Most elite closers are below .230. Holmes is certainly effective, but IMO he is not that elite guy you want in tight games.
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