Papa telling Giants fans to cheer up because Washington fans are envious of our success over the past 25 years is just laughable. The bar is ground level at this point.
I remember when Jones was drafted, he just didn't impress me as a 1st round QB. When he came in and had a great beginning, I was surprised and became convinced that he showed promise.
Then everything fell apart. Some of it was clearly his fault, but most of it was the team's. The team rose out of the ashes
in 2022 but couldn't sustain the momentum.
I wouldn't be surprised if that a positive year is coming, the question is can they keep it up. I honestly don't know, what I do know is that what ever happens the result is not all due to Dan Jones failures or success.
No one, repeat no one can get anything out of this guy
Whats more likely- every single coach we have hired for 5 years has been absolutely terrible or the Giants are forcing these coaches to put a round peg in a square hole?
No matter what system he has played in, who has coached him and who has played with him and at what level he has played it. He simply hasnt done anything but lose games, throw 200 yds or less a game, throw 1 TD per game and 6.8 ypa
1. Notice how other players don't get the same treatment as Jones? Why doesn't Evan Neal get any of the benefit of the doubt? Even Schoen said he needed to play better. Yet Jones gets a list of excuses. It's unfair to the rest of the players on the team.
2. There is no doubt to me once Jones is off the team the same people defending him now will be quick to blame him.
Or is there a need for new NYG voices in the media? There is such a disconnect that I never noticed before
Name the team that the comms people aren't wearing rose colored glasses.
They are not throwing him under the bus, yet. They cannot afford to that before the season.
Their podcast has become a platform for bashing the fans
Is divisive, leads to a bad culture and finger pointing
And its organization wide from owner on down
Joe Schoen said
“it's hard to go in and compete week in and week out if you don't have your best players. One of the guys was telling me the other day, going into the season, if you told me (tight end Darren) Waller, (tackle) Andrew Thomas, Saquon and Daniel would play less than 40 plays together, I wouldn't have been real excited about that, and that's the reality of how it played out.”
Im sure the other 49 guys on the roster feel just great hearing the GM say that.
Papa telling Giants fans to cheer up because Washington fans are envious of our success over the past 25 years is just laughable. The bar is ground level at this point.
This.
They’ve become company men with regards to Jones.
If so, lets muddle through this season and hope for the best. I want by the end of the season to know unequivocally that Jones will never be a winner. The next question are Shoen/Daboll the men to evaluate and draft our next franchise quarterback? That remains to be seen. The angst on BBI will not be going away any time soon.
If we're being honest, we know that there are people (some here) who refused to take part in 2022 because Daniel Jones finally found some level of success. Was it moderate and short-lived success? Yes. But it was success nonetheless.
That said, we're past the Daniel Jones expiration date here. He has proven to be too injury prone and not consistent enough to be the Giants starting QB. For so many reasons I think the Seattle game last year was his last stand. A chance to basically stabilize (and to that point) save the young season and prove at least a little bit you are the right guy for the contract they gave you. It was a complete failure and a good QB wins that game at home against a good but not great Seattle team.
It's the Giants own fault this conversation is still taking place. Schoen was given a "get out of bad QB situation free" card with Jones's injuries providing them cover to move on at the position and all he did this offseason was replace Tyrod Taylor with Drew Lock. Truly mind-boggling.
believe in Jones based on their reported attempts to give up a haul to get Maye. You don’t make a move like that if you think your current QB is a winner. It’s not like Jones is this 12 year vet and they are looking to draft the future guy. Jones only has 5 years in the league so that’s a straight up draft and replace strategy.
IMO, there is a very broad range of outcomes when it comes to Jones
On the negative side, we could easily see the exact same as we saw last year from him. Most specifically, being too skittish to attack down field. If that's what we get, I don't see any way he will remain the starter for long. I don't see how Daboll drafted the most explosive player in the draft and is taking over plan calling duties to have all of that fall on a guy who all he does is check down. Lock is not a great option, but he won't have that issue and we saw this team compete last year when TT was in there attacking vertically. We should have that one way or another this year.
On the positive side, it is possible we get the version of Jones the team was hoping for last year, which is one that can do what he showed in 2022 but taking a step forward with better talent around him. He has the physical ability as I think we saw a bit of in his rookie year and we also saw in training camp last year.
The later is a best case, and although I do think it is a possible outcome, we shouldn't confuse that with the idea that Jones is a long term answer. IN some sense I think people under estimate just how in a funk this team, especially the offense, was early on last year. Yes, that does happen in football --we saw it in Philly last year as an example (we beat them the last time this team was on the field, remember?). But while I do believe that is the case and thus am more open to a different outcome going forward than most are --we learned beyond a doubt that when adversity hits, especially the oline, Jones doesn't have it in him to step up. He curls into a shell.
So while I am far from sharing the view that this 2024 season is lost --contrary, I believe we will likely compete. But in terms of building a contender, we're still missing that most critical piece, which I think is an obvious statement.
If we're being honest, we know that there are people (some here) who refused to take part in 2022 because Daniel Jones finally found some level of success. Was it moderate and short-lived success? Yes. But it was success nonetheless.
That said, we're past the Daniel Jones expiration date here. He has proven to be too injury prone and not consistent enough to be the Giants starting QB. For so many reasons I think the Seattle game last year was his last stand. A chance to basically stabilize (and to that point) save the young season and prove at least a little bit you are the right guy for the contract they gave you. It was a complete failure and a good QB wins that game at home against a good but not great Seattle team.
It's the Giants own fault this conversation is still taking place. Schoen was given a "get out of bad QB situation free" card with Jones's injuries providing them cover to move on at the position and all he did this offseason was replace Tyrod Taylor with Drew Lock. Truly mind-boggling.
Did they not make an attempt to trade up for the player they liked in Maye?
and loves dunking down on NYG fans. Remember, he gets paid to promote the team. He acts offended that the fan base isn’t happy after over a decade of shitty football.
If we're being honest, we know that there are people (some here) who refused to take part in 2022 because Daniel Jones finally found some level of success. Was it moderate and short-lived success? Yes. But it was success nonetheless.
That said, we're past the Daniel Jones expiration date here. He has proven to be too injury prone and not consistent enough to be the Giants starting QB. For so many reasons I think the Seattle game last year was his last stand. A chance to basically stabilize (and to that point) save the young season and prove at least a little bit you are the right guy for the contract they gave you. It was a complete failure and a good QB wins that game at home against a good but not great Seattle team.
It's the Giants own fault this conversation is still taking place. Schoen was given a "get out of bad QB situation free" card with Jones's injuries providing them cover to move on at the position and all he did this offseason was replace Tyrod Taylor with Drew Lock. Truly mind-boggling.
Did they not make an attempt to trade up for the player they liked in Maye?
Takes two to tango in a trade
So I do not think that assertion is fair
Yea, so the plan this offseason was to attempt a trade up with a team that in all likelihood was never moving out of that spot. The only team that was as desperate at the QB position as we still are. A team whose newly hired head coach states at his intro press conference that they were going to take the best player at the most critical position”. Why anyone would think the Pats were seriously going to move out of that spot is beyond me.
I can sit outside the convenience store where lotto tickets are sold claiming that’s my plan to get rich, but that’s not much of a plan, right?
Excellent backup QB and average backup QB. In 2022 he was an excellent backup QB. I think his turnovers were unsustainably low that year, which is not really a shot at him. Even if you play ultra conservatively as he did, you're still going to run into some bad bounces.
The miserable thing for fans is that if he hits anywhere even close to his ceiling - just a decent game manager/backup QB, then the Giants will be enthusiastic about keeping him and paying him huge money.
The guy is brilliant at personal branding and networking. It's given him generational wealth and unprecedented professional opportunities for a QB as bad as he is. Sucks for us though.
For so many reasons I think the Seattle game last year was his last stand. A chance to basically stabilize (and to that point) save the young season and prove at least a little bit you are the right guy for the contract they gave you. It was a complete failure and a good QB wins that game at home against a good but not great Seattle team.
It seems the Seattle game is what most point to as their last straw with Jones. He played poorly. No doubt. A good QB wins that game?
JMS and Bellinger left the game after the first series due to injury. Therefore, the offensive lineup the rest of that game:
Ezuedu
Lemeiuex (sp) Glowinski also played
Bredeson
McKethan
Neal
Breida and Brightwell
WDR, Hyatt, Hodgins
Waller and Cage
Jones played poorly. But if you’re being honest, there’s probably not many QBs lifting that group to victory.
Remember when Dottino ripped fans for criticizing Gettleman?
was dumb on many levels, not the least of which is that it raised expectations to a point that he's not capable of living up to. But, in football the QB gets too much credit when things go well and too much blame when they don't. Add in that Jones has had an awful OL every year and a really bad receiving corps every year, which made it nearly impossible for him to succeed, and it's clear that his lack of success isn't all on him. He's not a terrible player. He could have a very good year this year. He's not the long-term answer for the NYG at QB, they can and should look for a better QB. But the amount of derision being heaped on him is over the top; and Banks and Papa were right about that.
If we're being honest, we know that there are people (some here) who refused to take part in 2022 because Daniel Jones finally found some level of success. Was it moderate and short-lived success? Yes. But it was success nonetheless.
That said, we're past the Daniel Jones expiration date here. He has proven to be too injury prone and not consistent enough to be the Giants starting QB. For so many reasons I think the Seattle game last year was his last stand. A chance to basically stabilize (and to that point) save the young season and prove at least a little bit you are the right guy for the contract they gave you. It was a complete failure and a good QB wins that game at home against a good but not great Seattle team.
It's the Giants own fault this conversation is still taking place. Schoen was given a "get out of bad QB situation free" card with Jones's injuries providing them cover to move on at the position and all he did this offseason was replace Tyrod Taylor with Drew Lock. Truly mind-boggling.
Did they not make an attempt to trade up for the player they liked in Maye?
Takes two to tango in a trade
So I do not think that assertion is fair
Yea, so the plan this offseason was to attempt a trade up with a team that in all likelihood was never moving out of that spot. The only team that was as desperate at the QB position as we still are. A team whose newly hired head coach states at his intro press conference that they were going to take the best player at the most critical position”. Why anyone would think the Pats were seriously going to move out of that spot is beyond me.
I can sit outside the convenience store where lotto tickets are sold claiming that’s my plan to get rich, but that’s not much of a plan, right?
Huh?
How would they have known when formulating their off season plans that the Pats wanted Maye before the full evaluation period
And…why would they go through the evaluation period of all the QB’s before eventually settling on Maye
Not trying to be disrespectful, but that doesn’t make sense
Nothing matters but.....Jones must stay on field, play better and win!
believe in Jones based on their reported attempts to give up a haul to get Maye. You don’t make a move like that if you think your current QB is a winner. It’s not like Jones is this 12 year vet and they are looking to draft the future guy. Jones only has 5 years in the league so that’s a straight up draft and replace strategy.
People keep saying that but I am not buying it. The Giants were/are comfortable running it back with Jones.
"There's a certain sector of folks that call themselves Giants fans that have made it their life's work to shit on Daniel Jones."
I know this was posted already but clearly Carl must read BBI... LOL
I disagree. There seems to be a huge disconnect between people who think Giant fans hate DJ personally when it the truth is that they hate that he’s the QB because he isn’t that good.
"There's a certain sector of folks that call themselves Giants fans that have made it their life's work to shit on Daniel Jones."
I know this was posted already but clearly Carl must read BBI... LOL
I disagree. There seems to be a huge disconnect between people who think Giant fans hate DJ personally when it the truth is that they hate that he’s the QB because he isn’t that good.
You are describing yourself maybe, SF. Others, I am quite sure feel differently than you. Honestly, I could give a shit the name on the jersey taking snaps from center. I just want the Giants to win. And so I root for Giants players to win, and kick ass. Period. And I have to say at this point? I am rooting for the kid to shove it in everyone's face, I want Shane/Davoli to shove it in everyone's face that shit on the kid all day long, incessantly, in thread after thread, post after post, with this insane conviction that somehow, they know better... and would make all of the best decisions... lol. I can guarantee if that happens there will be certain posters that slink away again quietly... lol
Papa - "Whether you're rooting for or against him - he's going to succeed on his own merit"
Then dives into the laundry list of why he's not successful
Then I like how Banks commented that if you don't support Jones, it's probably because you've lost money gambling. Haha.
These guys just don't get twitter, or the internet in general. The comment section anywhere is a waste land, and best to be ignored, and certainly not engaged
Is divisive, leads to a bad culture and finger pointing
And its organization wide from owner on down
Joe Schoen said
“it's hard to go in and compete week in and week out if you don't have your best players. One of the guys was telling me the other day, going into the season, if you told me (tight end Darren) Waller, (tackle) Andrew Thomas, Saquon and Daniel would play less than 40 plays together, I wouldn't have been real excited about that, and that's the reality of how it played out.”
Im sure the other 49 guys on the roster feel just great hearing the GM say that.
Anyone impressed by Joe Schoen is easily impressed or his predecessor set such a low bar that mediocre seems great.
. Therefore, the offensive lineup the rest of that game:
Ezuedu
Lemeiuex (sp) Glowinski also played
Bredeson
McKethan
Neal
Breida and Brightwell
WDR, Hyatt, Hodgins
Waller and Cage.
Truth is this is pretty representative of the level of offensive talent Jones has played with for five years. It’s absurd. Do I know he’d be better with better talent. No. Do I think ignoring this reality makes any sense. No. I have no problem moving on. Circumstances are what they are. However, given the above the amount of animus Jones faces here is absurd as well.
With how the conversation is going to go on this when the Giants start 1-3.
-Jones looks meh/undwhelming in home opener against the Vikings, which is traditionally how he's looked in every home opener in his career. Since they're not playing Tepper/McAdoo/Rhule's Panthers, they lose.
-Jones looks much better next week on the road against a weak opponent. Much like Az in 2023 or Wash in 2021, the game is decided on the last drive; either/or whether they win or lose this one.
-Jones looks ok for 1 or 2 quarters against the Browns but eventually folds in the 2nd half and starts throwing scatter balls and taking uneccessary sacks. Likely this is the part of the season where the usual suspects start blaming an injury on the offensive line or skill positions for Jones's struggles
-Dallas on national TV in which Jones is 1-11. loss.
The conversation is really going to be crazy at this point. We'll see how Papa/Banks/Schmelk squirm through this one.
With how the conversation is going to go on this when the Giants start 1-3.
-Jones looks meh/undwhelming in home opener against the Vikings, which is traditionally how he's looked in every home opener in his career. Since they're not playing Tepper/McAdoo/Rhule's Panthers, they lose.
-Jones looks much better next week on the road against a weak opponent. Much like Az in 2023 or Wash in 2021, the game is decided on the last drive; either/or whether they win or lose this one.
-Jones looks ok for 1 or 2 quarters against the Browns but eventually folds in the 2nd half and starts throwing scatter balls and taking uneccessary sacks. Likely this is the part of the season where the usual suspects start blaming an injury on the offensive line or skill positions for Jones's struggles
-Dallas on national TV in which Jones is 1-11. loss.
The conversation is really going to be crazy at this point. We'll see how Papa/Banks/Schmelk squirm through this one.
I'd love to argue with you, but sadly I can't. I will be shocked if we are not lamenting another lost season by Columbus Day.
Is not limited to the giants or even sports in general. It’s a product of society and social media and it’s everywhere.
Miserable twats abound. And they sure do like company.
The genesis of the discussion was papa commenting on a thread or post that waS discussing college football. An obsessive nutter came galloping in and turned it into a Daniel Jones thread chock full of rage and bile.
Is not limited to the giants or even sports in general. It’s a product of society and social media and it’s everywhere.
Miserable twats abound. And they sure do like company.
The genesis of the discussion was papa commenting on a thread or post that waS discussing college football. An obsessive nutter came galloping in and turned it into a Daniel Jones thread chock full of rage and bile.
Sound familiar?
You are 100% correct. It is our fault that Jones has put up backup level numbers (as posted by Terps) and is being crammed down our throats by state run media as a quality qb who has been a victim of our absurd expectations that maybe he eclipses 20 TD passes in a single season. It is our fault that the Giants have had one of the 2 or 3 worsts records in football since 2012 and made very wrong choice a franchise could make over that period. It is our fault that a dinosaur retread of a GM selected a running back with the Giants highest draft selection in decades with a qb who was cooked and a non existent oline. Who could have seen that it was a disaster of a draft pick....??
Shame on us, if we are more supportive maybe the 6th overall pick in the draft will put up borderline starter numbers this coming season.
Is not limited to the giants or even sports in general. It’s a product of society and social media and it’s everywhere.
Miserable twats abound. And they sure do like company.
The genesis of the discussion was papa commenting on a thread or post that waS discussing college football. An obsessive nutter came galloping in and turned it into a Daniel Jones thread chock full of rage and bile.
are not objective analysts. They are employees of the Giants. If Jones comes out and and throws 7 picks week one their analysis of the game will be "Man, nothing went right for the Giants this week. They'll look to get a win next week!" If Jones comes out and throws 5 picks and fumbles 3 times in week two, they will suggest he is having a tough time shaking the rust off, but will look to get back to form in week 3.
They are providing you the Giants' front office view of the team, and for some reason really focused on attacking the fan base that doesn't warmly embrace the continued ineptitude and losing.
I used to love listening to these guys, but they - especially Papa - has gone full Dottino level shill.
are not objective analysts. They are employees of the Giants. If Jones comes out and and throws 7 picks week one their analysis of the game will be "Man, nothing went right for the Giants this week. They'll look to get a win next week!" If Jones comes out and throws 5 picks and fumbles 3 times in week two, they will suggest he is having a tough time shaking the rust off, but will look to get back to form in week 3.
They are providing you the Giants' front office view of the team, and for some reason really focused on attacking the fan base that doesn't warmly embrace the continued ineptitude and losing.
I used to love listening to these guys, but they - especially Papa - has gone full Dottino level shill.
Even if we put aside the fans, it has to drive the other players bonkers that Jones garners so much positive attention from the organization. There is actually talent on the current team, yet the spin machine from state run media rolls out in full force for Jones.
aer probably gamblers who lost money on them is next level gas lighting.
They are people who are tired of watching the team not be competitive on offense because their QB can't read a defense. The team's stubborn willingness to stick with him despite his failures is why fans have turned so against Jones.
Although it is nice that they are not blaming Jones' failures directly on John Mara firing everyone every two years.
RE: Remember when Dottino ripped fans for criticizing Gettleman?
Giants management is tone deaf, in siege mode, or both.
This entire organization is taking on John Mara's personality - Uninformed petulance.
So Jones sucks because his coaches and coordinators are being fired every two years? Who is making that decision you are criticizing? They act like that was something imposed by the league, not a result of John Maras poor decisions and uninformed petulance.
I remember when Jones was drafted, he just didn't impress me as a 1st round QB. When he came in and had a great beginning, I was surprised and became convinced that he showed promise.
Then everything fell apart. Some of it was clearly his fault, but most of it was the team's. The team rose out of the ashes
in 2022 but couldn't sustain the momentum.
I wouldn't be surprised if that a positive year is coming, the question is can they keep it up. I honestly don't know, what I do know is that what ever happens the result is not all due to Dan Jones failures or success.
No one, repeat no one can get anything out of this guy
Whats more likely- every single coach we have hired for 5 years has been absolutely terrible or the Giants are forcing these coaches to put a round peg in a square hole?
No matter what system he has played in, who has coached him and who has played with him and at what level he has played it. He simply hasnt done anything but lose games, throw 200 yds or less a game, throw 1 TD per game and 6.8 ypa
2. There is no doubt to me once Jones is off the team the same people defending him now will be quick to blame him.
Name the team that the comms people aren't wearing rose colored glasses.
They are not throwing him under the bus, yet. They cannot afford to that before the season.
And its organization wide from owner on down
Joe Schoen said
“it's hard to go in and compete week in and week out if you don't have your best players. One of the guys was telling me the other day, going into the season, if you told me (tight end Darren) Waller, (tackle) Andrew Thomas, Saquon and Daniel would play less than 40 plays together, I wouldn't have been real excited about that, and that's the reality of how it played out.”
Im sure the other 49 guys on the roster feel just great hearing the GM say that.
This.
They’ve become company men with regards to Jones.
There’s a big grey area between pretending that’s good and being a toxic a-hole about it.
That said, we're past the Daniel Jones expiration date here. He has proven to be too injury prone and not consistent enough to be the Giants starting QB. For so many reasons I think the Seattle game last year was his last stand. A chance to basically stabilize (and to that point) save the young season and prove at least a little bit you are the right guy for the contract they gave you. It was a complete failure and a good QB wins that game at home against a good but not great Seattle team.
It's the Giants own fault this conversation is still taking place. Schoen was given a "get out of bad QB situation free" card with Jones's injuries providing them cover to move on at the position and all he did this offseason was replace Tyrod Taylor with Drew Lock. Truly mind-boggling.
On the positive side, it is possible we get the version of Jones the team was hoping for last year, which is one that can do what he showed in 2022 but taking a step forward with better talent around him. He has the physical ability as I think we saw a bit of in his rookie year and we also saw in training camp last year.
The later is a best case, and although I do think it is a possible outcome, we shouldn't confuse that with the idea that Jones is a long term answer. IN some sense I think people under estimate just how in a funk this team, especially the offense, was early on last year. Yes, that does happen in football --we saw it in Philly last year as an example (we beat them the last time this team was on the field, remember?). But while I do believe that is the case and thus am more open to a different outcome going forward than most are --we learned beyond a doubt that when adversity hits, especially the oline, Jones doesn't have it in him to step up. He curls into a shell.
So while I am far from sharing the view that this 2024 season is lost --contrary, I believe we will likely compete. But in terms of building a contender, we're still missing that most critical piece, which I think is an obvious statement.
That said, we're past the Daniel Jones expiration date here. He has proven to be too injury prone and not consistent enough to be the Giants starting QB. For so many reasons I think the Seattle game last year was his last stand. A chance to basically stabilize (and to that point) save the young season and prove at least a little bit you are the right guy for the contract they gave you. It was a complete failure and a good QB wins that game at home against a good but not great Seattle team.
It's the Giants own fault this conversation is still taking place. Schoen was given a "get out of bad QB situation free" card with Jones's injuries providing them cover to move on at the position and all he did this offseason was replace Tyrod Taylor with Drew Lock. Truly mind-boggling.
Did they not make an attempt to trade up for the player they liked in Maye?
Takes two to tango in a trade
So I do not think that assertion is fair
Now Carl B and Bob P are getting attacked.
My lord.
Now Carl B and Bob P are getting attacked.
My lord.
Im sure but aren’t Banks & Papa the ones doing the “attacking”?
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If we're being honest, we know that there are people (some here) who refused to take part in 2022 because Daniel Jones finally found some level of success. Was it moderate and short-lived success? Yes. But it was success nonetheless.
That said, we're past the Daniel Jones expiration date here. He has proven to be too injury prone and not consistent enough to be the Giants starting QB. For so many reasons I think the Seattle game last year was his last stand. A chance to basically stabilize (and to that point) save the young season and prove at least a little bit you are the right guy for the contract they gave you. It was a complete failure and a good QB wins that game at home against a good but not great Seattle team.
It's the Giants own fault this conversation is still taking place. Schoen was given a "get out of bad QB situation free" card with Jones's injuries providing them cover to move on at the position and all he did this offseason was replace Tyrod Taylor with Drew Lock. Truly mind-boggling.
Did they not make an attempt to trade up for the player they liked in Maye?
Takes two to tango in a trade
So I do not think that assertion is fair
Yea, so the plan this offseason was to attempt a trade up with a team that in all likelihood was never moving out of that spot. The only team that was as desperate at the QB position as we still are. A team whose newly hired head coach states at his intro press conference that they were going to take the best player at the most critical position”. Why anyone would think the Pats were seriously going to move out of that spot is beyond me.
I can sit outside the convenience store where lotto tickets are sold claiming that’s my plan to get rich, but that’s not much of a plan, right?
The miserable thing for fans is that if he hits anywhere even close to his ceiling - just a decent game manager/backup QB, then the Giants will be enthusiastic about keeping him and paying him huge money.
The guy is brilliant at personal branding and networking. It's given him generational wealth and unprecedented professional opportunities for a QB as bad as he is. Sucks for us though.
It seems the Seattle game is what most point to as their last straw with Jones. He played poorly. No doubt. A good QB wins that game?
JMS and Bellinger left the game after the first series due to injury. Therefore, the offensive lineup the rest of that game:
Ezuedu
Lemeiuex (sp) Glowinski also played
Bredeson
McKethan
Neal
Breida and Brightwell
WDR, Hyatt, Hodgins
Waller and Cage
Jones played poorly. But if you’re being honest, there’s probably not many QBs lifting that group to victory.
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If we're being honest, we know that there are people (some here) who refused to take part in 2022 because Daniel Jones finally found some level of success. Was it moderate and short-lived success? Yes. But it was success nonetheless.
That said, we're past the Daniel Jones expiration date here. He has proven to be too injury prone and not consistent enough to be the Giants starting QB. For so many reasons I think the Seattle game last year was his last stand. A chance to basically stabilize (and to that point) save the young season and prove at least a little bit you are the right guy for the contract they gave you. It was a complete failure and a good QB wins that game at home against a good but not great Seattle team.
It's the Giants own fault this conversation is still taking place. Schoen was given a "get out of bad QB situation free" card with Jones's injuries providing them cover to move on at the position and all he did this offseason was replace Tyrod Taylor with Drew Lock. Truly mind-boggling.
Did they not make an attempt to trade up for the player they liked in Maye?
Takes two to tango in a trade
So I do not think that assertion is fair
Yea, so the plan this offseason was to attempt a trade up with a team that in all likelihood was never moving out of that spot. The only team that was as desperate at the QB position as we still are. A team whose newly hired head coach states at his intro press conference that they were going to take the best player at the most critical position”. Why anyone would think the Pats were seriously going to move out of that spot is beyond me.
I can sit outside the convenience store where lotto tickets are sold claiming that’s my plan to get rich, but that’s not much of a plan, right?
Huh?
How would they have known when formulating their off season plans that the Pats wanted Maye before the full evaluation period
And…why would they go through the evaluation period of all the QB’s before eventually settling on Maye
Not trying to be disrespectful, but that doesn’t make sense
I hope....the Jones step it up and delivers.
I also hope the OL plays like professionals.
And on paper the WR can be special.
If not, the NFL is Not For Long! Next man up.
I know this was posted already but clearly Carl must read BBI... LOL
People keep saying that but I am not buying it. The Giants were/are comfortable running it back with Jones.
I know this was posted already but clearly Carl must read BBI... LOL
I disagree. There seems to be a huge disconnect between people who think Giant fans hate DJ personally when it the truth is that they hate that he’s the QB because he isn’t that good.
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"There's a certain sector of folks that call themselves Giants fans that have made it their life's work to shit on Daniel Jones."
I know this was posted already but clearly Carl must read BBI... LOL
I disagree. There seems to be a huge disconnect between people who think Giant fans hate DJ personally when it the truth is that they hate that he’s the QB because he isn’t that good.
You are describing yourself maybe, SF. Others, I am quite sure feel differently than you. Honestly, I could give a shit the name on the jersey taking snaps from center. I just want the Giants to win. And so I root for Giants players to win, and kick ass. Period. And I have to say at this point? I am rooting for the kid to shove it in everyone's face, I want Shane/Davoli to shove it in everyone's face that shit on the kid all day long, incessantly, in thread after thread, post after post, with this insane conviction that somehow, they know better... and would make all of the best decisions... lol. I can guarantee if that happens there will be certain posters that slink away again quietly... lol
Then dives into the laundry list of why he's not successful
Then I like how Banks commented that if you don't support Jones, it's probably because you've lost money gambling. Haha.
These guys just don't get twitter, or the internet in general. The comment section anywhere is a waste land, and best to be ignored, and certainly not engaged
And its organization wide from owner on down
Joe Schoen said
“it's hard to go in and compete week in and week out if you don't have your best players. One of the guys was telling me the other day, going into the season, if you told me (tight end Darren) Waller, (tackle) Andrew Thomas, Saquon and Daniel would play less than 40 plays together, I wouldn't have been real excited about that, and that's the reality of how it played out.”
Im sure the other 49 guys on the roster feel just great hearing the GM say that.
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Lemeiuex (sp) Glowinski also played
Bredeson
McKethan
Neal
Breida and Brightwell
WDR, Hyatt, Hodgins
Waller and Cage.
Truth is this is pretty representative of the level of offensive talent Jones has played with for five years. It’s absurd. Do I know he’d be better with better talent. No. Do I think ignoring this reality makes any sense. No. I have no problem moving on. Circumstances are what they are. However, given the above the amount of animus Jones faces here is absurd as well.
-Jones looks meh/undwhelming in home opener against the Vikings, which is traditionally how he's looked in every home opener in his career. Since they're not playing Tepper/McAdoo/Rhule's Panthers, they lose.
-Jones looks much better next week on the road against a weak opponent. Much like Az in 2023 or Wash in 2021, the game is decided on the last drive; either/or whether they win or lose this one.
-Jones looks ok for 1 or 2 quarters against the Browns but eventually folds in the 2nd half and starts throwing scatter balls and taking uneccessary sacks. Likely this is the part of the season where the usual suspects start blaming an injury on the offensive line or skill positions for Jones's struggles
-Dallas on national TV in which Jones is 1-11. loss.
The conversation is really going to be crazy at this point. We'll see how Papa/Banks/Schmelk squirm through this one.
-Jones looks meh/undwhelming in home opener against the Vikings, which is traditionally how he's looked in every home opener in his career. Since they're not playing Tepper/McAdoo/Rhule's Panthers, they lose.
-Jones looks much better next week on the road against a weak opponent. Much like Az in 2023 or Wash in 2021, the game is decided on the last drive; either/or whether they win or lose this one.
-Jones looks ok for 1 or 2 quarters against the Browns but eventually folds in the 2nd half and starts throwing scatter balls and taking uneccessary sacks. Likely this is the part of the season where the usual suspects start blaming an injury on the offensive line or skill positions for Jones's struggles
-Dallas on national TV in which Jones is 1-11. loss.
The conversation is really going to be crazy at this point. We'll see how Papa/Banks/Schmelk squirm through this one.
I'd love to argue with you, but sadly I can't. I will be shocked if we are not lamenting another lost season by Columbus Day.
Miserable twats abound. And they sure do like company.
The genesis of the discussion was papa commenting on a thread or post that waS discussing college football. An obsessive nutter came galloping in and turned it into a Daniel Jones thread chock full of rage and bile.
Sound familiar?
Miserable twats abound. And they sure do like company.
The genesis of the discussion was papa commenting on a thread or post that waS discussing college football. An obsessive nutter came galloping in and turned it into a Daniel Jones thread chock full of rage and bile.
Sound familiar?
You are 100% correct. It is our fault that Jones has put up backup level numbers (as posted by Terps) and is being crammed down our throats by state run media as a quality qb who has been a victim of our absurd expectations that maybe he eclipses 20 TD passes in a single season. It is our fault that the Giants have had one of the 2 or 3 worsts records in football since 2012 and made very wrong choice a franchise could make over that period. It is our fault that a dinosaur retread of a GM selected a running back with the Giants highest draft selection in decades with a qb who was cooked and a non existent oline. Who could have seen that it was a disaster of a draft pick....??
Shame on us, if we are more supportive maybe the 6th overall pick in the draft will put up borderline starter numbers this coming season.
Miserable twats abound. And they sure do like company.
The genesis of the discussion was papa commenting on a thread or post that waS discussing college football. An obsessive nutter came galloping in and turned it into a Daniel Jones thread chock full of rage and bile.
Sound familiar?
hahahah...
that does happen here all the time...
And I'll admit...
I'm a 100% guilty of it myself!
They are providing you the Giants' front office view of the team, and for some reason really focused on attacking the fan base that doesn't warmly embrace the continued ineptitude and losing.
I used to love listening to these guys, but they - especially Papa - has gone full Dottino level shill.
They are providing you the Giants' front office view of the team, and for some reason really focused on attacking the fan base that doesn't warmly embrace the continued ineptitude and losing.
I used to love listening to these guys, but they - especially Papa - has gone full Dottino level shill.
Even if we put aside the fans, it has to drive the other players bonkers that Jones garners so much positive attention from the organization. There is actually talent on the current team, yet the spin machine from state run media rolls out in full force for Jones.
His paychecks have had a Mara signature on them since 1988 when he started hosting pre & postgame shows.
He graduated college in 1986, so essentially he's spent his entire professional life in the Giants organization.
They are people who are tired of watching the team not be competitive on offense because their QB can't read a defense. The team's stubborn willingness to stick with him despite his failures is why fans have turned so against Jones.
Although it is nice that they are not blaming Jones' failures directly on John Mara firing everyone every two years.
This entire organization is taking on John Mara's personality - Uninformed petulance.
So Jones sucks because his coaches and coordinators are being fired every two years? Who is making that decision you are criticizing? They act like that was something imposed by the league, not a result of John Maras poor decisions and uninformed petulance.