For so many reasons I think the Seattle game last year was his last stand. A chance to basically stabilize (and to that point) save the young season and prove at least a little bit you are the right guy for the contract they gave you. It was a complete failure and a good QB wins that game at home against a good but not great Seattle team.
It seems the Seattle game is what most point to as their last straw with Jones. He played poorly. No doubt. A good QB wins that game?
JMS and Bellinger left the game after the first series due to injury. Therefore, the offensive lineup the rest of that game:
Ezuedu
Lemeiuex (sp) Glowinski also played
Bredeson
McKethan
Neal
Breida and Brightwell
WDR, Hyatt, Hodgins
Waller and Cage
Jones played poorly. But if you’re being honest, there’s probably not many QBs lifting that group to victory.
Thank you mako j. The Do It Anywayz stuff is nauseating. As is the "It's been 5 years" stuff. If you're served a shit sandwich for 5 years, you've still never had a good meal. It's not the fault of the guy eating the shit sandwich every year.
Does that mean DJ's a good QB? Of course not. But to keep drawing lines in the sand like the SEA game was the end-all be-all is foolish. As usual he was in a weeks-long run of getting annihilated behind an embarrassing OL and forgettable skill players.
The line in the sand to draw is this guy is physically & mentally beaten up now, and has been abused by this fanbase. A fresh start seems to make sense.
from the truth in favor of the shill Giant propaganda machine. I used to love Papa and Banks. But now I cannot even listen to the weekly Brian Daboll show where they gloss over anything negative and simply hype the positive. As Mike from Ohio says above, they are both now right there with Paul Dottino as gag worthy propagandists preaching their opinions as truth as if we are know nothing stooges.
Here's a hint: the road to a return to greatness will be paved with authenticity, not propaganda. Both with players in the locker room, as well as knowledgable sports fans. And this ain't whining (and btw, is there anything more pathetic than posters whining about other posters' opinions?). It is a reality we share that doesn't appear to be changing anytime soon. You can either stick your head in the sand. Or scream loudly. As BBI did in forcing the ouster of the Joe Judge clown show.
So keep screaming loudly my fellow BBI warriors for authentic discourse and meritocratic performance expectations and maybe some day we will have a franchise to be proud of again.
If anyone has lost money betting on Daniel Jones winning football games in the last several years, that is on them, not Daniel Jones.
I guess we all need to try harder to embrace being fans of the "lovable losers" who are a bunch of swell guys you'd like to have a beer with, but just don't compete on the field.
If anyone has lost money betting on Daniel Jones winning football games in the last several years, that is on them, not Daniel Jones.
I guess we all need to try harder to embrace being fans of the "lovable losers" who are a bunch of swell guys you'd like to have a beer with, but just don't compete on the field.
Something tells me that having a beer with Jones wouldn’t really be all that entertaining either
If anyone has lost money betting on Daniel Jones winning football games in the last several years, that is on them, not Daniel Jones.
I guess we all need to try harder to embrace being fans of the "lovable losers" who are a bunch of swell guys you'd like to have a beer with, but just don't compete on the field.
Something tells me that having a beer with Jones wouldn’t really be all that entertaining either
No, but you know he would use a lot of "please" and "thank you" and certainly use a coaster, so there's that.
Man, I really don’t know if the people in that organization realize how ugly it’ll get this fall if Jones struggles and one of JJ, Penix, or Nix look good…
Man, I really don’t know if the people in that organization realize how ugly it’ll get this fall if Jones struggles and one of JJ, Penix, or Nix look good…
I don't think the organization realizes how badly they are coming across by lecturing their fan base about how they are shitty fans with irrational agenda-driven opinions if they don't fall in line and cheer for Daniel Jones.
You have put a crappy team on the field for the past decade. Maybe try understanding why your fans sick of it instead of lecturing them about their obligation to a team that has been a league laughing stock for the past decade.
Maybe it's time for arrogance to be humbled again?
Aaaaaaand The usual suspects bombing the thread again. Surprise surprise.... lol
Most on this thread seem to agree that Papa and Banks are coming off looking like organizational shills here. The only one who seems to be 'bombing' the thread is you and your 'lol' take.
Aaaaaaand The usual suspects bombing the thread again. Surprise surprise.... lol
Most on this thread seem to agree that Papa and Banks are coming off looking like organizational shills here. The only one who seems to be 'bombing' the thread is you and your 'lol' take.
Banks suggesting people who don't like Jones
Mike from Ohio : 11:43 am : link : reply
aer probably gamblers who lost money on them is next level gas lighting.
They are people who are tired of watching the team not be competitive on offense because their QB can't read a defense. The team's stubborn willingness to stick with him despite his failures is why fans have turned so against Jones.
Although it is nice that they are not blaming Jones' failures directly on John Mara firing everyone every two years.
It's also magnified by the fact that so many other teams move on from their QBs much, much sooner.
Look at the Chiefs - Alex Smith's performance is light years better than Jones, and they chose to draft Mahomes.
Right now, you're needing to trust that the Giants know better than everyone else. Can anyone truly believe that?
who were born in the 1980s or later criticizing Carl Banks since they never got to see him play. But anyone my age who does should have their Giants Fan card revoked. I'm grateful that he's still involved with the Giants. If you never saw Carl Banks play you have no idea what you missed. He was a hall of fame LB playing the run and he took the other team's TE completely out of the game. I've never seen a LB cover a TE's better. He was an excellent pass rusher/blitzer too. He didn't get as many pass rush opportunities as the other OLB. Partly because he was so great and dependable at the other LB jobs. He was the perfect bookend to #56.
Bob Papa is a different story. Enough said. I'm curious how many people listen to that podcast. Doesn't he realize that the people that are listening are probably the most dedicated fans the team has? I'm sure he thinks he defending the people that sign his paycheck but he's probably doing more harm than good. There is no defending what the Giants have become in the past decade. Carl Banks Highlights - ( New Window )
who were born in the 1980s or later criticizing Carl Banks since they never got to see him play. But anyone my age who does should have their Giants Fan card revoked.
I watched Carl Banks play and he was an incredible linebacker and Giant. I also think what he said in that video is asinine. I can hold both of those thoughts simultaneously. It's the same way I can acknowledge LT was the greatest player of all time, and also kind of a very flawed human being.
Being a fan of a player does not mean you agree with everything they say. I am surprised that has to be said to an adult.
No one, repeat no one can get anything out of this guy
Whats more likely- every single coach we have hired for 5 years has been absolutely terrible or the Giants are forcing these coaches to put a round peg in a square hole?
No matter what system he has played in, who has coached him and who has played with him and at what level he has played it. He simply hasnt done anything but lose games, throw 200 yds or less a game, throw 1 TD per game and 6.8 ypa
You telling me Joe Judge and Pat Shurmer were great coaches? And the, what? 4 Offensive Coordinators were really actually some of the best but DJ was holding the team back? gtfo. This is the most ridiculous take I've read yet. Banks is right.
John Mara was angry at the end of season press conference after 2009. The team missed the playoffs and went 8-8. Mara was visibly angry.
And now here we are. What happened?
The scary possibility is that this is the way they've always been run, and the successes they've enjoyed have been the result of external influence (Rozelle forcing George Young on them) and luck, and not some larger policy or plan.
Eric's stickied OTA post had ten comments in it after 3 hours. Conversations about the 2025 QB class or FA QBs are the only football topics that generate anything.
Much of the fanbase feels worn down, and who could blame them?
RE: Their podcast has become a platform for bashing the fans
and defending Jones. But some of those fans that they are bashing, are their listeners! That’s not a formula for success.
Maybe if those fans they are "bashing" would calm down for a second and listen, they would understand that they are not saying anything but the truth. Jones may not be the guy long term but he is the guy right now. Shitting on him is destructive behavior. Rooting against him is the same as rooting against your team. I've said this a million times. It's a cowards way out. You're afraid to be let down again so you embrace losing and blame DJ because it's the easy thing to do. There is logic to what the so-called DJFC has been saying all along. The ONLY argument against Jones that is based on fact is that he has been injured a lot. Other than that, we have NO clue what Jones can be with a true #1 and an OL that can block.
RE: RE: Their podcast has become a platform for bashing the fans
Is divisive, leads to a bad culture and finger pointing
And its organization wide from owner on down
Joe Schoen said
“it's hard to go in and compete week in and week out if you don't have your best players. One of the guys was telling me the other day, going into the season, if you told me (tight end Darren) Waller, (tackle) Andrew Thomas, Saquon and Daniel would play less than 40 plays together, I wouldn't have been real excited about that, and that's the reality of how it played out.”
Im sure the other 49 guys on the roster feel just great hearing the GM say that.
The other 49 guys know who the best players on the team are. They haven't done anything to earn that level of confidence yet. But when the best players are injured, it's an opportunity to go out there and GET the GM and the fans excited. Tommy DeVito did just that. At least for a little bit. Going into the season, even the other players were talking about Waller and DJ and Barkley and how fast Hyatt was and in Preseason, when we got a brief glimpse, it looked friggin phenomenal! Then within an hour and 30 minutes, all the top players were sidelined. But yeah, that's all DJ's fault.
and defending Jones. But some of those fans that they are bashing, are their listeners! That’s not a formula for success.
Maybe if those fans they are "bashing" would calm down for a second and listen, they would understand that they are not saying anything but the truth. Jones may not be the guy long term but he is the guy right now. Shitting on him is destructive behavior. Rooting against him is the same as rooting against your team. I've said this a million times. It's a cowards way out. You're afraid to be let down again so you embrace losing and blame DJ because it's the easy thing to do. There is logic to what the so-called DJFC has been saying all along. The ONLY argument against Jones that is based on fact is that he has been injured a lot. Other than that, we have NO clue what Jones can be with a true #1 and an OL that can block.
Wait a minute...stating your opinion that Daniel Jones sucks and you want the Giants to get rid of him makes you a coward?
Those people are afraid of being let down? We've already been let down by this team for the past decade and our first round pick who can't play QB at a league average level.
I would argue the exact opposite. Refusing to acknowledge reality and cheering blindly into an echo chamber of everyone telling you everything is ok is cowardly.
With how the conversation is going to go on this when the Giants start 1-3.
-Jones looks meh/undwhelming in home opener against the Vikings, which is traditionally how he's looked in every home opener in his career. Since they're not playing Tepper/McAdoo/Rhule's Panthers, they lose.
-Jones looks much better next week on the road against a weak opponent. Much like Az in 2023 or Wash in 2021, the game is decided on the last drive; either/or whether they win or lose this one.
-Jones looks ok for 1 or 2 quarters against the Browns but eventually folds in the 2nd half and starts throwing scatter balls and taking uneccessary sacks. Likely this is the part of the season where the usual suspects start blaming an injury on the offensive line or skill positions for Jones's struggles
-Dallas on national TV in which Jones is 1-11. loss.
The conversation is really going to be crazy at this point. We'll see how Papa/Banks/Schmelk squirm through this one.
At the end of the day, if he is not doing his job, then yes, that is how the conversation will go. Thing is, we don't know how it will all play out. you goofy asses hoping we're 1-3 after week 4 to prove how right you are? You're the ones Banks, a LEGEND, is talking to.
Aaaaaaand The usual suspects bombing the thread again. Surprise surprise.... lol
The utter lack of comprehension and self awareness should be alarming....but it's not.
Toxic fandom is not about how you root or what you think about the team, players, mgmt. It is about how you express yourself, how you act and interact.
It is not that people are critical (which is deserved) it is the people who are not civil.
If you regularly find a way to comment on Jones or Mara or Gettlemen in a thread that is objectively not about them....you may be part of the problem
If you attack, belittle, abuse, or bully other people for having a different opinion ... you may be toxic
If you obsessively spam every thread all day, every day with the same 4 thoughts....you may need help.
If you "talk" to people on the internet in a way you never would at a bar.... you might be a candy ass punk.
If we should be listening to the players in the locker room, what does it say that Thibodeaux publicly questioned Jones being paid before Barkley (who the GM let walk) and our top draft pick said we still had to figure out the quarterback position?
I do rather enjoy how you all have felt compelled to leaven your...
The scary possibility is that this is the way they've always been run, and the successes they've enjoyed have been the result of external influence (Rozelle forcing George Young on them) and luck, and not some larger policy or plan.
This is what I love about the BBI. Some yahoo comes on spouting some kind of criticism based on something he clearly knows fuck all about. George Young wasn't forced on anybody and he certainly wasn't forced on anybody by their record in the 1970s. The Giants were trying to find a full-time GM but had a 50-50 ownership split between two parties that hated each other. Anybody Wellington suggested Tim rejected out of hand and the only people Tim suggested were people that he knew Wellington would not accept. So Rozelle suggested GY as a compromise. There have even been reports that Wellington actually asked Rozelle to suggest Young because if Well did Tim would turn him down too.
And other than the fact that the organization has won four Super Bowls, more than 27 of the other 31 teams in the league, it truly is one fucked up team. And 18 games without a playoff win. The humiliation!
RE: RE: It's amazing how a franchise can lose its way
John Mara was angry at the end of season press conference after 2009. The team missed the playoffs and went 8-8. Mara was visibly angry.
And now here we are. What happened?
The scary possibility is that this is the way they've always been run, and the successes they've enjoyed have been the result of external influence (Rozelle forcing George Young on them) and luck, and not some larger policy or plan.
I think most franchises are 'saved' by savants (i.e. luck) rather than run well over long time periods. Maybe the Ravens, Steelers, even Eagles are exceptions given their decades long relevancy.
Giants were saved by Parcells and Coughlin (and LT and Eli). I don't mean this as some harsh indictment of the team, I think most are in this same boat.
Aaaaaaand The usual suspects bombing the thread again. Surprise surprise.... lol
The utter lack of comprehension and self awareness should be alarming....but it's not.
Toxic fandom is not about how you root or what you think about the team, players, mgmt. It is about how you express yourself, how you act and interact.
It is not that people are critical (which is deserved) it is the people who are not civil.
If you regularly find a way to comment on Jones or Mara or Gettlemen in a thread that is objectively not about them....you may be part of the problem
If you attack, belittle, abuse, or bully other people for having a different opinion ... you may be toxic
If you obsessively spam every thread all day, every day with the same 4 thoughts....you may need help.
If you "talk" to people on the internet in a way you never would at a bar.... you might be a candy ass punk.
onward and downward...
Well said Bear! Maybe the sanest post ever on this site. I would add the arrogance is appalling. People, most of whom have never played a down of football in their lives, come on here and spout with absolute certainty that they know better than guys who've done this all their lives and whose jobs depend on what decisions they make and then attack with even more vitriolic certainty when countered. All the time! It is a little toxic.
People, most of whom have never played a down of football in their lives, come on here and spout with absolute certainty that they know better than guys who've done this all their lives and whose jobs depend on what decisions they make and then attack with even more vitriolic certainty when countered. All the time! It is a little toxic.
Double-digit losses in eight of the past ten seasons. But, by all means, tell me more about how well run the franchise is.
Aaaaaaand The usual suspects bombing the thread again. Surprise surprise.... lol
The utter lack of comprehension and self awareness should be alarming....but it's not.
Toxic fandom is not about how you root or what you think about the team, players, mgmt. It is about how you express yourself, how you act and interact.
It is not that people are critical (which is deserved) it is the people who are not civil.
If you regularly find a way to comment on Jones or Mara or Gettlemen in a thread that is objectively not about them....you may be part of the problem
If you attack, belittle, abuse, or bully other people for having a different opinion ... you may be toxic
If you obsessively spam every thread all day, every day with the same 4 thoughts....you may need help.
If you "talk" to people on the internet in a way you never would at a bar.... you might be a candy ass punk.
onward and downward...
Well said Bear! Maybe the sanest post ever on this site. I would add the arrogance is appalling. People, most of whom have never played a down of football in their lives, come on here and spout with absolute certainty that they know better than guys who've done this all their lives and whose jobs depend on what decisions they make and then attack with even more vitriolic certainty when countered. All the time! It is a little toxic.
People, most of whom have never played a down of football in their lives, come on here and spout with absolute certainty that they know better than guys who've done this all their lives and whose jobs depend on what decisions they make and then attack with even more vitriolic certainty when countered. All the time! It is a little toxic.
Double-digit losses in eight of the past ten seasons. But, by all means, tell me more about how well run the franchise is.
If you had played a single down of football, you would know a long history of double digit losing seasons is the plan of a successful organization filled with the right experts.
If the Giants did it, it was correct. Never forget that.
If you had played a single down of football, you would know a long history of double digit losing seasons is the plan of a successful organization filled with the right experts.
If the Giants did it, it was correct. Never forget that.
I have no effing idea what your point is but of course that's par for the course. Except that the people that currently run the Giants football ops, who you folks are by definition dumping on, have only been here two years. In fact they took over a team that had a 22-59 record in the previous 5 seasons, but in their 2 seasons are 16-19-1 with a playoff appearance. And Brian Daboll is the coach most credited with helping Josh allen develop into one of the best QBs in the league. But WTF does he know about QBs compared with guys like Terps and SF and yourself.
WTF? Where did I state I know more about QBs than Dabs? I obviously don’t.
I just think Jones sucks. Tar and feather me if you so desire.
Ah yes; self-awareness raises its ugly head again. Brian Daboll clearly doesn't think Jones sucks. The fact that you do and have said so literally a million times apparently without a moment's reflection means you think you know more about QBs that Daboll. Sheesh!
It’s a fucking fan site where people voice their opinions!!! My opinion is that Jones sucks. I honestly have no fucking clue what Dabs’ really thinks about Jones because I’m not in his head, nor are you.
I wasn't talking about disagreeing with his opinions about the Giants or their owners, front office, coaches and players. Of course it's reasonable to disagree with his opinions about the Giants, especially since he's a currently employed by an organization with rabbit ears.
I often disagree with him. I think Daniel Jones is a complete bust on year 6 of a scholarship as he would say. I think as long as Daniel Jones is the Giants QB1 they have a 0.0 chance to win a Super Bowl.
I meant criticize him on a personal level not about his opinions on the Giants state propaganda news outlet. I think it's pretty obvious how I feel about Carl Banks but I stopped listening to that podcast a long time ago and I didn't listen to the link.
Somewhat off topic I was listening to Giants kickoff or Giants huddle after the draft. The show where they take phone calls. Schmeelk and Dottino were the hosts and Dottino was being the voice of reason regarding "upgrades". It was a pleasant surprise. I haven't pushed my luck by listening again.
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For so many reasons I think the Seattle game last year was his last stand. A chance to basically stabilize (and to that point) save the young season and prove at least a little bit you are the right guy for the contract they gave you. It was a complete failure and a good QB wins that game at home against a good but not great Seattle team.
It seems the Seattle game is what most point to as their last straw with Jones. He played poorly. No doubt. A good QB wins that game?
JMS and Bellinger left the game after the first series due to injury. Therefore, the offensive lineup the rest of that game:
Ezuedu
Lemeiuex (sp) Glowinski also played
Bredeson
McKethan
Neal
Breida and Brightwell
WDR, Hyatt, Hodgins
Waller and Cage
Jones played poorly. But if you’re being honest, there’s probably not many QBs lifting that group to victory.
Thank you mako j. The Do It Anywayz stuff is nauseating. As is the "It's been 5 years" stuff. If you're served a shit sandwich for 5 years, you've still never had a good meal. It's not the fault of the guy eating the shit sandwich every year.
Does that mean DJ's a good QB? Of course not. But to keep drawing lines in the sand like the SEA game was the end-all be-all is foolish. As usual he was in a weeks-long run of getting annihilated behind an embarrassing OL and forgettable skill players.
The line in the sand to draw is this guy is physically & mentally beaten up now, and has been abused by this fanbase. A fresh start seems to make sense.
Here's a hint: the road to a return to greatness will be paved with authenticity, not propaganda. Both with players in the locker room, as well as knowledgable sports fans. And this ain't whining (and btw, is there anything more pathetic than posters whining about other posters' opinions?). It is a reality we share that doesn't appear to be changing anytime soon. You can either stick your head in the sand. Or scream loudly. As BBI did in forcing the ouster of the Joe Judge clown show.
So keep screaming loudly my fellow BBI warriors for authentic discourse and meritocratic performance expectations and maybe some day we will have a franchise to be proud of again.
If anyone has lost money betting on Daniel Jones winning football games in the last several years, that is on them, not Daniel Jones.
I guess we all need to try harder to embrace being fans of the "lovable losers" who are a bunch of swell guys you'd like to have a beer with, but just don't compete on the field.
Being employed by a team that sucks and having to try and remain positive is not easy.
Kill em all you want - but they are in a tough spot.
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I've made money betting against Jones.
If anyone has lost money betting on Daniel Jones winning football games in the last several years, that is on them, not Daniel Jones.
I guess we all need to try harder to embrace being fans of the "lovable losers" who are a bunch of swell guys you'd like to have a beer with, but just don't compete on the field.
Something tells me that having a beer with Jones wouldn’t really be all that entertaining either
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I've made money betting against Jones.
If anyone has lost money betting on Daniel Jones winning football games in the last several years, that is on them, not Daniel Jones.
I guess we all need to try harder to embrace being fans of the "lovable losers" who are a bunch of swell guys you'd like to have a beer with, but just don't compete on the field.
Something tells me that having a beer with Jones wouldn’t really be all that entertaining either
No, but you know he would use a lot of "please" and "thank you" and certainly use a coaster, so there's that.
No, but you know he would use a lot of "please" and "thank you" and certainly use a coaster, so there's that.
He probably tips very well, too
I still like Papa but more of a light listen. I don't take his opinions too seriously.
I don't think the organization realizes how badly they are coming across by lecturing their fan base about how they are shitty fans with irrational agenda-driven opinions if they don't fall in line and cheer for Daniel Jones.
You have put a crappy team on the field for the past decade. Maybe try understanding why your fans sick of it instead of lecturing them about their obligation to a team that has been a league laughing stock for the past decade.
Maybe it's time for arrogance to be humbled again?
Most on this thread seem to agree that Papa and Banks are coming off looking like organizational shills here. The only one who seems to be 'bombing' the thread is you and your 'lol' take.
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Aaaaaaand The usual suspects bombing the thread again. Surprise surprise.... lol
Most on this thread seem to agree that Papa and Banks are coming off looking like organizational shills here. The only one who seems to be 'bombing' the thread is you and your 'lol' take.
Yep. That's me.
LOL
Hilarious considering his lack of success apparently has nothing to do with his own merit.
Mike from Ohio : 11:43 am : link : reply
aer probably gamblers who lost money on them is next level gas lighting.
They are people who are tired of watching the team not be competitive on offense because their QB can't read a defense. The team's stubborn willingness to stick with him despite his failures is why fans have turned so against Jones.
Although it is nice that they are not blaming Jones' failures directly on John Mara firing everyone every two years.
It's also magnified by the fact that so many other teams move on from their QBs much, much sooner.
Look at the Chiefs - Alex Smith's performance is light years better than Jones, and they chose to draft Mahomes.
Right now, you're needing to trust that the Giants know better than everyone else. Can anyone truly believe that?
Nothing new for this franchise.
Bob Papa is a different story. Enough said. I'm curious how many people listen to that podcast. Doesn't he realize that the people that are listening are probably the most dedicated fans the team has? I'm sure he thinks he defending the people that sign his paycheck but he's probably doing more harm than good. There is no defending what the Giants have become in the past decade.
Carl Banks Highlights - ( New Window )
I watched Carl Banks play and he was an incredible linebacker and Giant. I also think what he said in that video is asinine. I can hold both of those thoughts simultaneously. It's the same way I can acknowledge LT was the greatest player of all time, and also kind of a very flawed human being.
Being a fan of a player does not mean you agree with everything they say. I am surprised that has to be said to an adult.
And now here we are. What happened?
He's saying silly things in order to puff up Daniel Jones, because that's what his bosses require him to do. That, I'll ignore.
And now here we are. What happened?
He has been really good at being angry and firing people, and not taking any shit from chairs. It's everything else he seems to struggle with.
The apple fell a long way from the tree with John.
So the only legitimate opinions on Jones are fulsome praise, then. Good to know.
No one, repeat no one can get anything out of this guy
Whats more likely- every single coach we have hired for 5 years has been absolutely terrible or the Giants are forcing these coaches to put a round peg in a square hole?
No matter what system he has played in, who has coached him and who has played with him and at what level he has played it. He simply hasnt done anything but lose games, throw 200 yds or less a game, throw 1 TD per game and 6.8 ypa
And now here we are. What happened?
The scary possibility is that this is the way they've always been run, and the successes they've enjoyed have been the result of external influence (Rozelle forcing George Young on them) and luck, and not some larger policy or plan.
Much of the fanbase feels worn down, and who could blame them?
That, and the fact that he's been a bottom-tier QB for five years who was outplayed by a rookie UDFA last season.
And its organization wide from owner on down
Joe Schoen said
“it's hard to go in and compete week in and week out if you don't have your best players. One of the guys was telling me the other day, going into the season, if you told me (tight end Darren) Waller, (tackle) Andrew Thomas, Saquon and Daniel would play less than 40 plays together, I wouldn't have been real excited about that, and that's the reality of how it played out.”
Im sure the other 49 guys on the roster feel just great hearing the GM say that.
I know this was posted already but clearly Carl must read BBI... LOL
That’s a weird take.
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and defending Jones. But some of those fans that they are bashing, are their listeners! That’s not a formula for success.
Maybe if those fans they are "bashing" would calm down for a second and listen, they would understand that they are not saying anything but the truth. Jones may not be the guy long term but he is the guy right now. Shitting on him is destructive behavior. Rooting against him is the same as rooting against your team. I've said this a million times. It's a cowards way out. You're afraid to be let down again so you embrace losing and blame DJ because it's the easy thing to do. There is logic to what the so-called DJFC has been saying all along. The ONLY argument against Jones that is based on fact is that he has been injured a lot. Other than that, we have NO clue what Jones can be with a true #1 and an OL that can block.
Wait a minute...stating your opinion that Daniel Jones sucks and you want the Giants to get rid of him makes you a coward?
Those people are afraid of being let down? We've already been let down by this team for the past decade and our first round pick who can't play QB at a league average level.
I would argue the exact opposite. Refusing to acknowledge reality and cheering blindly into an echo chamber of everyone telling you everything is ok is cowardly.
-Jones looks meh/undwhelming in home opener against the Vikings, which is traditionally how he's looked in every home opener in his career. Since they're not playing Tepper/McAdoo/Rhule's Panthers, they lose.
-Jones looks much better next week on the road against a weak opponent. Much like Az in 2023 or Wash in 2021, the game is decided on the last drive; either/or whether they win or lose this one.
-Jones looks ok for 1 or 2 quarters against the Browns but eventually folds in the 2nd half and starts throwing scatter balls and taking uneccessary sacks. Likely this is the part of the season where the usual suspects start blaming an injury on the offensive line or skill positions for Jones's struggles
-Dallas on national TV in which Jones is 1-11. loss.
The conversation is really going to be crazy at this point. We'll see how Papa/Banks/Schmelk squirm through this one.
The utter lack of comprehension and self awareness should be alarming....but it's not.
Toxic fandom is not about how you root or what you think about the team, players, mgmt. It is about how you express yourself, how you act and interact.
It is not that people are critical (which is deserved) it is the people who are not civil.
If you regularly find a way to comment on Jones or Mara or Gettlemen in a thread that is objectively not about them....you may be part of the problem
If you attack, belittle, abuse, or bully other people for having a different opinion ... you may be toxic
If you obsessively spam every thread all day, every day with the same 4 thoughts....you may need help.
If you "talk" to people on the internet in a way you never would at a bar.... you might be a candy ass punk.
onward and downward...
Progress!
This is what I love about the BBI. Some yahoo comes on spouting some kind of criticism based on something he clearly knows fuck all about. George Young wasn't forced on anybody and he certainly wasn't forced on anybody by their record in the 1970s. The Giants were trying to find a full-time GM but had a 50-50 ownership split between two parties that hated each other. Anybody Wellington suggested Tim rejected out of hand and the only people Tim suggested were people that he knew Wellington would not accept. So Rozelle suggested GY as a compromise. There have even been reports that Wellington actually asked Rozelle to suggest Young because if Well did Tim would turn him down too.
And other than the fact that the organization has won four Super Bowls, more than 27 of the other 31 teams in the league, it truly is one fucked up team. And 18 games without a playoff win. The humiliation!
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John Mara was angry at the end of season press conference after 2009. The team missed the playoffs and went 8-8. Mara was visibly angry.
And now here we are. What happened?
The scary possibility is that this is the way they've always been run, and the successes they've enjoyed have been the result of external influence (Rozelle forcing George Young on them) and luck, and not some larger policy or plan.
I think most franchises are 'saved' by savants (i.e. luck) rather than run well over long time periods. Maybe the Ravens, Steelers, even Eagles are exceptions given their decades long relevancy.
Giants were saved by Parcells and Coughlin (and LT and Eli). I don't mean this as some harsh indictment of the team, I think most are in this same boat.
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Aaaaaaand The usual suspects bombing the thread again. Surprise surprise.... lol
The utter lack of comprehension and self awareness should be alarming....but it's not.
Toxic fandom is not about how you root or what you think about the team, players, mgmt. It is about how you express yourself, how you act and interact.
It is not that people are critical (which is deserved) it is the people who are not civil.
If you regularly find a way to comment on Jones or Mara or Gettlemen in a thread that is objectively not about them....you may be part of the problem
If you attack, belittle, abuse, or bully other people for having a different opinion ... you may be toxic
If you obsessively spam every thread all day, every day with the same 4 thoughts....you may need help.
If you "talk" to people on the internet in a way you never would at a bar.... you might be a candy ass punk.
onward and downward...
Well said Bear! Maybe the sanest post ever on this site. I would add the arrogance is appalling. People, most of whom have never played a down of football in their lives, come on here and spout with absolute certainty that they know better than guys who've done this all their lives and whose jobs depend on what decisions they make and then attack with even more vitriolic certainty when countered. All the time! It is a little toxic.
Double-digit losses in eight of the past ten seasons. But, by all means, tell me more about how well run the franchise is.
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Aaaaaaand The usual suspects bombing the thread again. Surprise surprise.... lol
The utter lack of comprehension and self awareness should be alarming....but it's not.
Toxic fandom is not about how you root or what you think about the team, players, mgmt. It is about how you express yourself, how you act and interact.
It is not that people are critical (which is deserved) it is the people who are not civil.
If you regularly find a way to comment on Jones or Mara or Gettlemen in a thread that is objectively not about them....you may be part of the problem
If you attack, belittle, abuse, or bully other people for having a different opinion ... you may be toxic
If you obsessively spam every thread all day, every day with the same 4 thoughts....you may need help.
If you "talk" to people on the internet in a way you never would at a bar.... you might be a candy ass punk.
onward and downward...
Well said Bear! Maybe the sanest post ever on this site. I would add the arrogance is appalling. People, most of whom have never played a down of football in their lives, come on here and spout with absolute certainty that they know better than guys who've done this all their lives and whose jobs depend on what decisions they make and then attack with even more vitriolic certainty when countered. All the time! It is a little toxic.
The lack of self awareness is astonishing
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People, most of whom have never played a down of football in their lives, come on here and spout with absolute certainty that they know better than guys who've done this all their lives and whose jobs depend on what decisions they make and then attack with even more vitriolic certainty when countered. All the time! It is a little toxic.
Double-digit losses in eight of the past ten seasons. But, by all means, tell me more about how well run the franchise is.
If you had played a single down of football, you would know a long history of double digit losing seasons is the plan of a successful organization filled with the right experts.
If the Giants did it, it was correct. Never forget that.
It started out embarrassing,
really and truly embarrassing.
and then raised the Cold Hard Facts argument-
oh boy -- Sheesh
only degenerate gamblers have reasons to not like Daniel Jones performance
those boys need a medium coke
and clown hats
because that is what they made of themselves with this product
If the Giants did it, it was correct. Never forget that.
I have no effing idea what your point is but of course that's par for the course. Except that the people that currently run the Giants football ops, who you folks are by definition dumping on, have only been here two years. In fact they took over a team that had a 22-59 record in the previous 5 seasons, but in their 2 seasons are 16-19-1 with a playoff appearance. And Brian Daboll is the coach most credited with helping Josh allen develop into one of the best QBs in the league. But WTF does he know about QBs compared with guys like Terps and SF and yourself.
I just think Jones sucks. Tar and feather me if you so desire.
I just think Jones sucks. Tar and feather me if you so desire.
Ah yes; self-awareness raises its ugly head again. Brian Daboll clearly doesn't think Jones sucks. The fact that you do and have said so literally a million times apparently without a moment's reflection means you think you know more about QBs that Daboll. Sheesh!
Are you this stupid?
I often disagree with him. I think Daniel Jones is a complete bust on year 6 of a scholarship as he would say. I think as long as Daniel Jones is the Giants QB1 they have a 0.0 chance to win a Super Bowl.
I meant criticize him on a personal level not about his opinions on the Giants state propaganda news outlet. I think it's pretty obvious how I feel about Carl Banks but I stopped listening to that podcast a long time ago and I didn't listen to the link.
Somewhat off topic I was listening to Giants kickoff or Giants huddle after the draft. The show where they take phone calls. Schmeelk and Dottino were the hosts and Dottino was being the voice of reason regarding "upgrades". It was a pleasant surprise. I haven't pushed my luck by listening again.