I'll add the disclaimer if you are tired of QB talk, you do not need to participate in the thread. The fact of the matter is, the Giants have a QB with durability concerns and a contract out after 2024, Drew Lock on a 1 year deal & Tommy DeVito. That's it. There is a solid chance the Giants will be in the QB market next year and there are some veteran players who may become available. Off the top of my head:
Kirk Cousins - this is an easy one. I doubt he would have signed with the Falcons had he known they were drafting Penix in the top ten.
Kyler Murray - I could see Arizona opting to reset their QB window with another bad season. Murray has struggled pushing the ball down the field since his injury. It would not shock me to see Arizona move on.
Dak Prescott - it seems the Cowboys are okay with him testing free agency, at least at the moment.
Justin Fields - the Steelers declined his option - he'll be a free agent. With that said, the Giants didn't like him enough to trade for him this year.
Russell Wilson - he will be a free agent and met with NYG in March.
I do think Hendon Hooker is possible although he's not near the level of the players listed above, still I think he'd be worth a look.
I think this is all very relevant and could see NYG looking in this direction if they move off Jones in February. There will be players available via trade I believe.
Murray: small stature and just too up & down, has flashes of great play and has bed-shitting episodes, I'd put him 3rd on the list
Prescott: He'll be a hot commodity in March if Dallas let's him test the market, younger and just below Cousins as a passer, but can do more athletically with the ball in his hands
Wilson - a bit of an enigma now . . . how much does he have left? Not sure and not too interested in finding out (the year in Pitts should provide insight)
Fields - I like him, but not worth top dollar until he can prove he's consistent
Hooker - a 3rd round pick that never plays, he could be a huge talent ready to explode or he could be Ryan Nassib?
At this point I am growing desperate to see competent QB play again.
Just as depressing as running DJ out there.
It's amazing how much one spot on a football team can depress you about the general state of the team.
Drew Lock is not the answer.....We really need DJ to excel!
If the bar is a winning season, Dak has quite a few of those under his belt, so yeah he could absolutely give us - at minimum - what Jones does.
The only one I'd be mildly interested in is Dak, but only on a short-term deal, maybe 2 yrs with a 3rd year team option. I'd much rather find the next guy in the draft.
b) I think Derick Carr could be a darkhouse cut to add to the list and might be worth consideration by the Giants on a 1-2 year deal.
Prescott, the runner to NFL MVP last is awful?
I mean he's no Daniel Jones, but come on.
It's really easy to look this stuff up before you say crazy things.
The only one I'd be mildly interested in is Dak, but only on a short-term deal, maybe 2 yrs with a 3rd year team option. I'd much rather find the next guy in the draft.
I think we all would rather get a guy in the draft, but as 2024 demonstrated, picking as low as 4th in a deep QB draft may be too low to get a guy for the Giants.
If this team wins more than 2 games this year you can almost rule drafting a QB out for 2025.
It's really easy to look this stuff up before you say crazy things.
Like stating the Broncos got Wilson for cheap?
If this team wins more than 2 games this year you can almost rule drafting a QB out for 2025.
And even then, what if they "don't have a conviction" about Carson Beck or Quinn Ewers?
I've given up hope on the Giants approaching the QB in the draft intelligently. It's not how they operate. If you count Dave Brown in the supplemental draft, two of the four first round quarterbacks they've drafted in 50 years have gone to Duke. Another one went to Morehead State, and the other they traded up for when there were two similarly talented players there to draft without a trade up.
All four times the methodology was poor. Twice it yielded a good result, twice it did not.
The Maras think they're ejecting aUS Senator when they draft a QB. As fans were reduced to hoping they get lucky. Any success they have won't be the result of a good plan.
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to move on from until 2026. Maybe if he makes things uncomfortable for the FO, but I can only see that happening if he loses his job, and if so, do we really want him? He'll be 37, coming off an injury that can be a career-ender for older QB's. It's not an ACL we're talking about.
The only one I'd be mildly interested in is Dak, but only on a short-term deal, maybe 2 yrs with a 3rd year team option. I'd much rather find the next guy in the draft.
I think we all would rather get a guy in the draft, but as 2024 demonstrated, picking as low as 4th in a deep QB draft may be too low to get a guy for the Giants.
If this team wins more than 2 games this year you can almost rule drafting a QB out for 2025.
I seriously doubt that.
Otherwise you are paying mediocrity or good regular season play to dump their ass come playoff time.
All these other choices are not inspiring, Dak will want way too much money.
If all the QBs I listed aren't good enough to move from Jones. McCarthy isn't. Penix isn't. Nix isn't. Who actually is good enough? Is anyone or is the default position to just keep starting Jones? It's frustrating.
If all the QBs I listed aren't good enough to move from Jones. McCarthy isn't. Penix isn't. Nix isn't. Who actually is good enough? Is anyone or is the default position to just keep starting Jones? It's frustrating.
Now you've got the end game.
Maybe it is a genius observation and I am the fool.
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to move on from until 2026. Maybe if he makes things uncomfortable for the FO, but I can only see that happening if he loses his job, and if so, do we really want him? He'll be 37, coming off an injury that can be a career-ender for older QB's. It's not an ACL we're talking about.
The only one I'd be mildly interested in is Dak, but only on a short-term deal, maybe 2 yrs with a 3rd year team option. I'd much rather find the next guy in the draft.
I think we all would rather get a guy in the draft, but as 2024 demonstrated, picking as low as 4th in a deep QB draft may be too low to get a guy for the Giants.
If this team wins more than 2 games this year you can almost rule drafting a QB out for 2025.
Not necessarily. If any teams at the top of the draft don't need a QB, they could be trade-up targets.
Signing an OK vet almost guarantees we'll be out of range of a young QB. We'll be good enough to be in the WC mix, but not good enough to compete for a SB. THAT is QB hell.
All these other choices are not inspiring, Dak will want way too much money.
If Panthers have the #1 next year, they may be looking for a QB!
IMO DJ has 5 games to "earn" or retain his starting role if he doesn't lose it in the preseason to Lock
If at the end of 5 games we don't have a minimum of 2 wins they'll pivot to Lock, the fan base won't stand for it any longer.
Probably waiting to see if an injury happens in camp, preseason or the regular season.
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on trading for Carolina's #1 pick. That may be the only way we draft a QB next year.
All these other choices are not inspiring, Dak will want way too much money.
If Panthers have the #1 next year, they may be looking for a QB!
I completely disagree. Everyone knows it takes *at least* 6 years to know if a QB is the guy or not.
But seriously folks...the Panthers offense should be vastly improved this year. I don't know much about their defense but it would not shock me if they end up with a better record than the NYG.
I think almost all would prefer to get that guy in the draft than FA, but as we saw this year, if you are picking outside the top 3 you only like 3...it may not be your decision to make.
Fertile enough? WTF does that mean?
It is my hope that one day you become the Giants QB draft coordinator so you can't talk in absolutes while being extremely general.
I want very much to agree with you more, but gosh your POV that any old QB will do is tough to take. This year they probably liked 3 QBs for the 1st round - Williams, Daniels and possibly Maye.
Clearly Nix, Penix and McCarthy did not peak their interest as high 1st round talent. Sy and Eric may be right that with the money owed Jones it didn't make sense to draft a maybe talent. IDK.
These guys aren't some guy sitting on a couch with no skin in the game. I was tempted to be anyone but Jones, and probably with the right guy I'd have moved on - McCarthy for example. But they obviously didn't see it with him. Gonna be interesting and a PIA to listen to all the weekly complaining.
1. They have a bad (and injured) starting quarterback
2. They were poor enough in 2023 to pick high in the 2024 draft
3. 2024 was a very strong QB draft; never before had 6 QBs gone in the top 12
The only element that didn't line up was that they are paying the bad+injured starter a lot of money in 2024.
If all four of these elements have to line up for the Giants to draft a first round QB, it might take a while before they actually do. Such a Goldilocks approach could explain why they've only drafted 3 in 45 years of drafts.
If they have been paying Jones this season Cousins would have been a great get.
1. They have a bad (and injured) starting quarterback
2. They were poor enough in 2023 to pick high in the 2024 draft
3. 2024 was a very strong QB draft; never before had 6 QBs gone in the top 12
The only element that didn't line up was that they are paying the bad+injured starter a lot of money in 2024.
If all four of these elements have to line up for the Giants to draft a first round QB, it might take a while before they actually do. Such a Goldilocks approach could explain why they've only drafted 3 in 45 years of drafts.
If all of Penix, McCarthy, and Nix bust it doesn’t mean that this was a strong QB draft at 6. While I do like McCarthy significantly more than the other two, during my initial look at the 2025 class there are a number with the potential to at least be his equivalent. That is not to say that all of them will, but this is not looking like May 22, 2021 and we are trying to gauge what 2022 will look like at the QB position.
QB is not a position you can address with force any time you want to. It just doesn't work like that.
Even tanking doesn't guarantee anything. For every Luck and Burrow, there are many top guys who don't amount to much.
The high level game manager might be an underrated approach. Alex Smith and Jimmy Garoppolo played well enough for their successors to take over (Smith for two franchises, Jimmy just the Niners).
Prescott would be a very solid get. I think the Cowboys are one of those teams that will underperform in the postseason because of the Cowboy aura more than Prescott is a subpar QB (which he might be for championship reasons, but certainly not winning regular season games and putting up #s).
Russell Wilson you won't do shit unless you re-inherit the '86 defense and Belichick.....and Joe Morris too for good measure.