according to Popper all indications are that Brunson is willing to sign this offseason to give 5 more yesrs of certainy and forgo 270 millionhe could sign next year
If he does this, the union will be all over him. I can't see it happening, but he has been quoted as saying money is not that important to him and the Rose's are his family.
run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
I would be pleasantly surprised if he does this but I don't think it is crazy. People throw out the Celtics Isiah Thomas comp as someone who was awesome for a couple years but ultimately got hurt and never got a huge bag. Obviously JB is bigger than IT but for a small guard who was a second rounder to guarantee himself $150M does not seem insane to me.
He was willing to take less with Dallas they just never presented the deal and after the playoff run, he knew he could go to NY with his family and felt disrespected.
This would send shock waves through the league and the union will lose their collective minds.
I Wonder what this does for Julius, does he follow suit or look for the max he can get?
run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
He said he heard last week that Brunson will not sign anything long-term until he is guaranteed Thibs is his long term coach. However, it does sound like they might all be working together right now.
that it's questionable by him but, at some point the salary crosses a certain threshold where it's just a number. Would the difference between 156 million and 250 million be terribly meaningful during the course of his life?
Huge if true because I read this article yesterday
I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
He said he heard last week that Brunson will not sign anything long-term until he is guaranteed Thibs is his long term coach. However, it does sound like they might all be working together right now.
Thibs is not a perfect coach but he wins consistently and has a team of players that believe in him.
He said he heard last week that Brunson will not sign anything long-term until he is guaranteed Thibs is his long term coach. However, it does sound like they might all be working together right now.
Well than that means he is signing, the Knicks hierarchy is basiclaly one big family, people joke about CAA being like the mafia, well the Knicks are..
that it's questionable by him but, at some point the salary crosses a certain threshold where it's just a number. Would the difference between 156 million and 250 million be terribly meaningful during the course of his life?
on Thibs is that he's not Spoelstra. You can nitpick rotation decisions and such here and there, and idiots like us may even be right once a while. But this team competes every night and he seems to have cultivated a team-wide commitment to hard work and accountably.
run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
Lebron James, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch all took about $15 million less to build the Heat team into a contender. And that was when the salary cap was $58 million. Wade then took another hit of at least $10 a few years later by opting out two years early to try to help Miami re-sign Lebron.
Rockets are preparing a package around the 3rd pick to acquire Mitchell.
The good news for the Knicks is that it might take them out of bidding for Bridges.
I think it would have to be #3 and whatever else they're owed from Brooklyn and other stuff. By all accounts, the top of this draft is pretty weak compared to other drafts.
Rockets are preparing a package around the 3rd pick to acquire Mitchell.
The good news for the Knicks is that it might take them out of bidding for Bridges.
Why would Mitchell sign long term there? Seems dubious.
Houston has a very good up and coming team, I could definitely see him staying there. They have Segun, Green Jabari Smith, one of the Thompsons, Dillon Brooks and Van Vleet.
They can very easily make a very strong offer and convince him to stay. Houston is a major market, its not Cleveland or Utah.
run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
Lebron James, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch all took about $15 million less to build the Heat team into a contender. And that was when the salary cap was $58 million. Wade then took another hit of at least $10 a few years later by opting out two years early to try to help Miami re-sign Lebron.
I mentioned LeBron taking $15 million less in a previous post. That was over a six year deal - of which he only played 4 years so the discount ended up being less. And of course he had already signed a max deal earlier in his career. So had Bosh. These were all caveats mentioned in my earlier comment.
I actually think he ends up staying in Cleveland, Mitchell doesnt seem like the type to make demands on where to go, he could of done that 2 years ago and he didnt
What would it take for the Knicks to get Bridges here?
Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
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Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
Do they feel better about a 3-way trade where they're not shipping him directly to NYK I wonder?
RE: What would it take for the Knicks to get Bridges here?
Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I assume they'll offer to extend him at some point. If he declines, they likely start shopping him and (news flash!) they should take the best offer regardless of who the team is.
run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
Lebron James, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch all took about $15 million less to build the Heat team into a contender. And that was when the salary cap was $58 million. Wade then took another hit of at least $10 a few years later by opting out two years early to try to help Miami re-sign Lebron.
I mentioned LeBron taking $15 million less in a previous post. That was over a six year deal - of which he only played 4 years so the discount ended up being less. And of course he had already signed a max deal earlier in his career. So had Bosh. These were all caveats mentioned in my earlier comment.
Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
RE: RE: What would it take for the Knicks to get Bridges here?
Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
and it was a horrible decision to turn it down too
The 4 year extension that pays him 156 would set him up for a super-max contract when he's 32.
Waiting a year and signing a 5 year 270 does pay him more through those 4 years (and does guarantee a 5th year), but he's more likely on the decline when he's up for the super-max.
RE: RE: RE: What would it take for the Knicks to get Bridges here?
Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
and it was a horrible decision to turn it down too
I think whats even worse is their reasoning, they think they can still attract stars to Brooklyn and maybe they trade for one, but they aremt keeping them long term
The 4 year extension that pays him 156 would set him up for a super-max contract when he's 32.
Waiting a year and signing a 5 year 270 does pay him more through those 4 years (and does guarantee a 5th year), but he's more likely on the decline when he's up for the super-max.
its technically 5 years 180 because he still has 1 more year at 24 million
RE: RE: RE: What would it take for the Knicks to get Bridges here?
Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
Do they feel better about a 3-way trade where they're not shipping him directly to NYK I wonder?
I honestly dont think they want him to end up in NY regardless of the offer..
Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
is some iconic Brooklyn Net. Hell if I’m the Nets I’d prefer the Knicks push their chips in on Bridges - might take them out of the running for someone better in the next year or so.
Randle make the same choice for the four year deal after his breakout
It's a security choice, and I'd say a wise one for JB. He's had a few injury scares this year. Coning into the league a second round pick and playing second fiddle for four years gives him a different perspective from someone who has always been chased after.
Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
When you're talking about a guy who will make over $300 million in his career, not including endorsements, none of what your saying matters. His family will have generational wealth that no one on this board can fathom, or even begin to understand. No one in the next three or four generations in his family will need to work a day in their life.
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Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
When you're talking about a guy who will make over $300 million in his career, not including endorsements, none of what your saying matters. His family will have generational wealth that no one on this board can fathom, or even begin to understand. No one in the next three or four generations in his family will need to work a day in their life.
Agreed, And you know what money can’t buy? Glory
If Brunson leads the Knicks to a championship, he will be on the Mount Rushmore of NY Sports heroes. Immortalized forever.
Brunson seems very self aware and knows leaving a little bit on the table (to him, in the grand scheme of things) to allow Rose to build an even better and more complete team capable of winning a title is greatly beneficial to Brunson long term. It’s easy to say from the outside but I bet it’s a pretty easy decision for him to make
When I mentioned it. Similar to Harts opt in and extend move last year, this team and front office are a family. Let’s see if Julius does something similar.
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Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
When you're talking about a guy who will make over $300 million in his career, not including endorsements, none of what your saying matters. His family will have generational wealth that no one on this board can fathom, or even begin to understand. No one in the next three or four generations in his family will need to work a day in their life.
Agreed, And you know what money can’t buy? Glory
If Brunson leads the Knicks to a championship, he will be on the Mount Rushmore of NY Sports heroes. Immortalized forever.
Brunson seems very self aware and knows leaving a little bit on the table (to him, in the grand scheme of things) to allow Rose to build an even better and more complete team capable of winning a title is greatly beneficial to Brunson long term. It’s easy to say from the outside but I bet it’s a pretty easy decision for him to make
He would be considered by NY sports fans to be the anti-Arod.
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When I mentioned it. Similar to Harts opt in and extend move last year, this team and front office are a family. Let’s see if Julius does something similar.
He would be considered by NY sports fans to be the anti-Arod.
Given that MLB is not a cap league, and Arod's option issue turned out to be an exercise in mutual bluffing, I doubt many would draw the association.
Arod delivered a title in 2009, the only one the Yanks have won in 24 years. If Brunson is here another 10 years and delivers one, I'll take it.
My point was Arod was motivated by the money. That was Nos. 1, 2, and 3 on his priority list. Brunson seems to be just the opposite. He wants to win. He's already proven to Knick fans he will do whatever it takes to win. This would just be icing on the cake. If the Knicks can be legit contenders the rest of his time here as a result, he will be revered in NY. If he can deliver a title after 50+ years, he'll be up there with Frazier and Reed, Messier and Manning and, yes, even be mentioned in the same breath as Jeter.
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My point was Arod was motivated by the money. That was Nos. 1, 2, and 3 on his priority list. Brunson seems to be just the opposite. He wants to win. He's already proven to Knick fans he will do whatever it takes to win. This would just be icing on the cake. If the Knicks can be legit contenders the rest of his time here as a result, he will be revered in NY. If he can deliver a title after 50+ years, he'll be up there with Frazier and Reed, Messier and Manning and, yes, even be mentioned in the same breath as Jeter.
Brunson is very much motivated by monetary security in taking the deal now, rather than hanging himself out there for another year in which one bad step, or one dirty play by an opponent, could change everything.
As I mentioned, Randle made the same choice. And there's nothing wrong with that.
As for Arod, he desperately wanted to win a title, for his personal career validation. And there's nothing wrong with that, either.
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
This would send shock waves through the league and the union will lose their collective minds.
I Wonder what this does for Julius, does he follow suit or look for the max he can get?
Would i be shocked when the Woj bomb comes? yes he is giving up close to 100 million
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run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
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Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
Thibs is not a perfect coach but he wins consistently and has a team of players that believe in him.
Well than that means he is signing, the Knicks hierarchy is basiclaly one big family, people joke about CAA being like the mafia, well the Knicks are..
Brunson i am sure trusts Rose with his career
Yeah, it would.
The good news for the Knicks is that it might take them out of bidding for Bridges.
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run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
Lebron James, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch all took about $15 million less to build the Heat team into a contender. And that was when the salary cap was $58 million. Wade then took another hit of at least $10 a few years later by opting out two years early to try to help Miami re-sign Lebron.
The good news for the Knicks is that it might take them out of bidding for Bridges.
I think it would have to be #3 and whatever else they're owed from Brooklyn and other stuff. By all accounts, the top of this draft is pretty weak compared to other drafts.
The good news for the Knicks is that it might take them out of bidding for Bridges.
Why would Mitchell sign long term there? Seems dubious.
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Rockets are preparing a package around the 3rd pick to acquire Mitchell.
The good news for the Knicks is that it might take them out of bidding for Bridges.
Why would Mitchell sign long term there? Seems dubious.
Houston has a very good up and coming team, I could definitely see him staying there. They have Segun, Green Jabari Smith, one of the Thompsons, Dillon Brooks and Van Vleet.
They can very easily make a very strong offer and convince him to stay. Houston is a major market, its not Cleveland or Utah.
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run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
Lebron James, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch all took about $15 million less to build the Heat team into a contender. And that was when the salary cap was $58 million. Wade then took another hit of at least $10 a few years later by opting out two years early to try to help Miami re-sign Lebron.
I mentioned LeBron taking $15 million less in a previous post. That was over a six year deal - of which he only played 4 years so the discount ended up being less. And of course he had already signed a max deal earlier in his career. So had Bosh. These were all caveats mentioned in my earlier comment.
I actually think he ends up staying in Cleveland, Mitchell doesnt seem like the type to make demands on where to go, he could of done that 2 years ago and he didnt
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
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Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
Do they feel better about a 3-way trade where they're not shipping him directly to NYK I wonder?
I assume they'll offer to extend him at some point. If he declines, they likely start shopping him and (news flash!) they should take the best offer regardless of who the team is.
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run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
Lebron James, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch all took about $15 million less to build the Heat team into a contender. And that was when the salary cap was $58 million. Wade then took another hit of at least $10 a few years later by opting out two years early to try to help Miami re-sign Lebron.
I mentioned LeBron taking $15 million less in a previous post. That was over a six year deal - of which he only played 4 years so the discount ended up being less. And of course he had already signed a max deal earlier in his career. So had Bosh. These were all caveats mentioned in my earlier comment.
Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
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Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
and it was a horrible decision to turn it down too
The 4 year extension that pays him 156 would set him up for a super-max contract when he's 32.
Waiting a year and signing a 5 year 270 does pay him more through those 4 years (and does guarantee a 5th year), but he's more likely on the decline when he's up for the super-max.
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Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
and it was a horrible decision to turn it down too
I think whats even worse is their reasoning, they think they can still attract stars to Brooklyn and maybe they trade for one, but they aremt keeping them long term
The 4 year extension that pays him 156 would set him up for a super-max contract when he's 32.
Waiting a year and signing a 5 year 270 does pay him more through those 4 years (and does guarantee a 5th year), but he's more likely on the decline when he's up for the super-max.
its technically 5 years 180 because he still has 1 more year at 24 million
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Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
Do they feel better about a 3-way trade where they're not shipping him directly to NYK I wonder?
I honestly dont think they want him to end up in NY regardless of the offer..
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
It's a security choice, and I'd say a wise one for JB. He's had a few injury scares this year. Coning into the league a second round pick and playing second fiddle for four years gives him a different perspective from someone who has always been chased after.
I'd be surprised if he didn't sign the deal.
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Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
When you're talking about a guy who will make over $300 million in his career, not including endorsements, none of what your saying matters. His family will have generational wealth that no one on this board can fathom, or even begin to understand. No one in the next three or four generations in his family will need to work a day in their life.
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Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
When you're talking about a guy who will make over $300 million in his career, not including endorsements, none of what your saying matters. His family will have generational wealth that no one on this board can fathom, or even begin to understand. No one in the next three or four generations in his family will need to work a day in their life.
Agreed, And you know what money can’t buy? Glory
If Brunson leads the Knicks to a championship, he will be on the Mount Rushmore of NY Sports heroes. Immortalized forever.
Brunson seems very self aware and knows leaving a little bit on the table (to him, in the grand scheme of things) to allow Rose to build an even better and more complete team capable of winning a title is greatly beneficial to Brunson long term. It’s easy to say from the outside but I bet it’s a pretty easy decision for him to make
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Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
When you're talking about a guy who will make over $300 million in his career, not including endorsements, none of what your saying matters. His family will have generational wealth that no one on this board can fathom, or even begin to understand. No one in the next three or four generations in his family will need to work a day in their life.
Agreed, And you know what money can’t buy? Glory
If Brunson leads the Knicks to a championship, he will be on the Mount Rushmore of NY Sports heroes. Immortalized forever.
Brunson seems very self aware and knows leaving a little bit on the table (to him, in the grand scheme of things) to allow Rose to build an even better and more complete team capable of winning a title is greatly beneficial to Brunson long term. It’s easy to say from the outside but I bet it’s a pretty easy decision for him to make
He would be considered by NY sports fans to be the anti-Arod.
He would be considered by NY sports fans to be the anti-Arod.
Given that MLB is not a cap league, and Arod's option issue turned out to be an exercise in mutual bluffing, I doubt many would draw the association.
Arod delivered a title in 2009, the only one the Yanks have won in 24 years. If Brunson is here another 10 years and delivers one, I'll take it.
Is og going to opt in and extend as well?
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He would be considered by NY sports fans to be the anti-Arod.
Given that MLB is not a cap league, and Arod's option issue turned out to be an exercise in mutual bluffing, I doubt many would draw the association.
Arod delivered a title in 2009, the only one the Yanks have won in 24 years. If Brunson is here another 10 years and delivers one, I'll take it.
My point was Arod was motivated by the money. That was Nos. 1, 2, and 3 on his priority list. Brunson seems to be just the opposite. He wants to win. He's already proven to Knick fans he will do whatever it takes to win. This would just be icing on the cake. If the Knicks can be legit contenders the rest of his time here as a result, he will be revered in NY. If he can deliver a title after 50+ years, he'll be up there with Frazier and Reed, Messier and Manning and, yes, even be mentioned in the same breath as Jeter.
My point was Arod was motivated by the money. That was Nos. 1, 2, and 3 on his priority list. Brunson seems to be just the opposite. He wants to win. He's already proven to Knick fans he will do whatever it takes to win. This would just be icing on the cake. If the Knicks can be legit contenders the rest of his time here as a result, he will be revered in NY. If he can deliver a title after 50+ years, he'll be up there with Frazier and Reed, Messier and Manning and, yes, even be mentioned in the same breath as Jeter.
Brunson is very much motivated by monetary security in taking the deal now, rather than hanging himself out there for another year in which one bad step, or one dirty play by an opponent, could change everything.
As I mentioned, Randle made the same choice. And there's nothing wrong with that.
As for Arod, he desperately wanted to win a title, for his personal career validation. And there's nothing wrong with that, either.
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.