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nygiants16 : 5/21/2024 12:25 pm
according to Popper all indications are that Brunson is willing to sign this offseason to give 5 more yesrs of certainy and forgo 270 millionhe could sign next year
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I do believe it  
Matt M. : 5/21/2024 4:36 pm : link
And it's not that nuts. This year was an outlier for him based on his career to date. Now, I think he will continue, but he may not play quite at this level again or he could get hurt. That extension guarantees him enough money for life right now in a still very big way and helps them to build a real consistent contender.
RE: RE: RE: Would we  
shyster : 5/21/2024 4:39 pm : link
In comment 16521461 Blue92 said:
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.

Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.


if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.

As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.



I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.


Brute fact is that Brunson is a lot smaller than any of the players mentioned. Big guys stay big; little guys who lose a step, well . . .

If Brunson were to suffer an ACL or Achilles injury, he would not be in demand around the league for a top money contract.

And he is smart enough to know it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Would we  
TyreeHelmet : 5/21/2024 4:45 pm : link
In comment 16521480 shyster said:
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.

Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.


if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.

As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.



I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.



Brute fact is that Brunson is a lot smaller than any of the players mentioned. Big guys stay big; little guys who lose a step, well . . .

If Brunson were to suffer an ACL or Achilles injury, he would not be in demand around the league for a top money contract.

And he is smart enough to know it.


What?!?
Popper walking it back  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2024 5:24 pm : link
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
The Brunson contract stuff went crazy today with some aggregation starting with one of the best and then getting loose with the interpretation. To be clear, everything I've heard is expectation he wants to sign this summer - but not that it's some done deal. And (1/2)...


Steve Popper
@StevePopper
The financial implications aren't as drastic as it looks right now -- Brunson can sign this extension which raises his 2025-26 salary, and then base his next deal off bigger TV deal while still in his prime. (2/2).
RE: Popper walking it back  
nygiants16 : 5/21/2024 5:40 pm : link
In comment 16521552 DanMetroMan said:
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Steve Popper
@StevePopper
The Brunson contract stuff went crazy today with some aggregation starting with one of the best and then getting loose with the interpretation. To be clear, everything I've heard is expectation he wants to sign this summer - but not that it's some done deal. And (1/2)...


Steve Popper
@StevePopper
The financial implications aren't as drastic as it looks right now -- Brunson can sign this extension which raises his 2025-26 salary, and then base his next deal off bigger TV deal while still in his prime. (2/2).


Ehh he never said it was a done deal, people took it and ran with it that way but he never said it was a done deal he simpky said that everything he is hesring is that Brunson is thinking about signing a deal now and signs are pointing that direction
According to Windy  
nygiants16 : 5/21/2024 5:50 pm : link
Knicks will make a move without question, it may not be the big big name but they are looking for a big wing that can score
RE: According to Windy  
Jon In NYC : 5/21/2024 5:52 pm : link
In comment 16521571 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks will make a move without question, it may not be the big big name but they are looking for a big wing that can score


Who isn’t lol. But yeah that certainly makes sense. Booker, Durant, Lebron, Mikal, PG all could be available this offseason. I’d expect one to be a Knick
RE: RE: According to Windy  
nygiants16 : 5/21/2024 5:56 pm : link
In comment 16521574 Jon In NYC said:
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Knicks will make a move without question, it may not be the big big name but they are looking for a big wing that can score



Who isn’t lol. But yeah that certainly makes sense. Booker, Durant, Lebron, Mikal, PG all could be available this offseason. I’d expect one to be a Knick


Yeah i think its Mikal, George or Lebron is a Knick by July 1st
RE: RE: RE: According to Windy  
Mike in NJ : 5/21/2024 6:08 pm : link
In comment 16521578 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks will make a move without question, it may not be the big big name but they are looking for a big wing that can score



Who isn’t lol. But yeah that certainly makes sense. Booker, Durant, Lebron, Mikal, PG all could be available this offseason. I’d expect one to be a Knick



Yeah i think its Mikal, George or Lebron is a Knick by July 1st


The nice thing about the NBA offseason is that everything happens so fast. The finals wrap up the second or third week of June, the draft is the 27th, and then free agency starts the following week. The theories and hypotheticals talk only goes on for like 6 weeks and then we have answers. I much prefer that than the endless speculation we get around NFL free agency and draft.
Yep and it’s even better  
bceagle05 : 5/21/2024 6:11 pm : link
when your team advances a bit in the playoffs - draft/FA is right around the corner.
RE: RE: RE: According to Windy  
aimrocky : 5/21/2024 6:20 pm : link
In comment 16521578 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks will make a move without question, it may not be the big big name but they are looking for a big wing that can score



Who isn’t lol. But yeah that certainly makes sense. Booker, Durant, Lebron, Mikal, PG all could be available this offseason. I’d expect one to be a Knick



Yeah i think its Mikal, George or Lebron is a Knick by July 1st


I can’t get behind LeBron in any way. I hope this isn’t the case.
I thinj as of right now  
nygiants16 : 5/21/2024 6:22 pm : link
Lebron is still a long shot to even being a discussion, once he makes a decision on his option then you will start to see what he is thinking
RE: I thinj as of right now  
larryflower37 : 5/21/2024 7:36 pm : link
In comment 16521604 nygiants16 said:
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Lebron is still a long shot to even being a discussion, once he makes a decision on his option then you will start to see what he is thinking

Lebron is a great fit for this team at the right price. As much as I am not a fan, he works hard, doesn't miss time, and is not a selfish player.
He would definitely let Brunson cook and play a strong 2nd option.
When he opts out he can do a sign and trade to help the Lakers
Would LeBron sign with a guarantee that the Knicks use their  
Anakim : 5/21/2024 7:39 pm : link
picks to trade up for Bronny?
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nygiants16 : 5/21/2024 7:44 pm : link
In comment 16521656 larryflower37 said:
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Lebron is still a long shot to even being a discussion, once he makes a decision on his option then you will start to see what he is thinking


Lebron is a great fit for this team at the right price. As much as I am not a fan, he works hard, doesn't miss time, and is not a selfish player.
He would definitely let Brunson cook and play a strong 2nd option.
When he opts out he can do a sign and trade to help the Lakers


i think if he is going to work with the Lakers on a trade, it will be an opt in and trade
RE: Would LeBron sign with a guarantee that the Knicks use their  
larryflower37 : 5/21/2024 7:45 pm : link
In comment 16521665 Anakim said:
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picks to trade up for Bronny?

Trade up?
Bronny is drafted in the 2nd and can lead the Westchester Knicks to a title while taking his team out every weekend on his dad's credit card.
RE: Would LeBron sign with a guarantee that the Knicks use their  
Jon In NYC : 5/21/2024 7:47 pm : link
In comment 16521665 Anakim said:
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picks to trade up for Bronny?


The draft is before free agency.

But I don't know why this isn't being discussed more as an idea. The cost to get probably two more years of LeBron as a second fiddle is as little as two firsts. That's as cheap as it's ever been. He just averaged 25-8-7, and really doesn't look like slowing down a ton.

The key is he'd have to want to come to NY, but what other location could be better for him as a combination of winning and brand recognition.

Imagine his legacy if he brings an elusive title to NY.
I once asked ajr in a Knicks thread  
bceagle05 : 5/21/2024 7:56 pm : link
about the Lebron possibility and he mentioned they probably didn’t want the circus that comes with him. Makes sense with the strong culture they’ve built.

However, it really does line up perfectly. Knicks have three draft picks in the range where Bronny should be available, Lebron has an opt-out, he’s a perfect fit for this roster at this time, and could add to his legacy in a major way by being a part of the Knicks team that finally wins it all.
I believe Windhorst  
Enzo : 5/21/2024 8:16 pm : link
has said he simply likes living in LA. Plus - I think he's got another kid still in high school.
David Mills led Knicks  
Jon In NYC : 5/21/2024 8:24 pm : link
100% trades these two firsts and a future pick to get to like 8 overall to get Bronny only for Lebron to stay in LA anyway
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aimrocky : 5/21/2024 8:26 pm : link
In comment 16521656 larryflower37 said:
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Lebron is still a long shot to even being a discussion, once he makes a decision on his option then you will start to see what he is thinking


Lebron is a great fit for this team at the right price. As much as I am not a fan, he works hard, doesn't miss time, and is not a selfish player.
He would definitely let Brunson cook and play a strong 2nd option.
When he opts out he can do a sign and trade to help the Lakers


Are you serious? Besides last season LeBron hasn’t played more than 56 games since 2019, and last year he still missed 11 games.

LeBron may be the most selfish player in league history… How many coaches have been fired and players dealt because of him?

Sure he plays defense and distributes when the spotlight is on him, but he’s such an unlike able player I can’t see why anyone would want him on the team.
RE: I once asked ajr in a Knicks thread  
aimrocky : 5/21/2024 8:27 pm : link
In comment 16521679 bceagle05 said:
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about the Lebron possibility and he mentioned they probably didn’t want the circus that comes with him. Makes sense with the strong culture they’ve built.

However, it really does line up perfectly. Knicks have three draft picks in the range where Bronny should be available, Lebron has an opt-out, he’s a perfect fit for this roster at this time, and could add to his legacy in a major way by being a part of the Knicks team that finally wins it all.


I can’t believe I’m reading this. Knick fans want LeBron. You guys are crazy.
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Enzo : 5/21/2024 8:29 pm : link
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.

Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.


if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.

As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.



I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.



Brute fact is that Brunson is a lot smaller than any of the players mentioned. Big guys stay big; little guys who lose a step, well . . .

If Brunson were to suffer an ACL or Achilles injury, he would not be in demand around the league for a top money contract.

And he is smart enough to know it.

Russ, CP3, Lillard, LaVine, DeJonte, Hayward all signed big deals after various surgeries.
I just keep going back to that  
nygiants16 : 5/21/2024 8:30 pm : link
Paul and Leon Rose meeting before the deadline, i dont think that was about amalcolm Brogdon or Jordan clarkson...

It was about Lebron, lets be real, do i think its likely to happen or even 50% chance? no..

I think its about a 10% chance with it bumping to 25% if he opts in
RE: David Mills led Knicks  
Enzo : 5/21/2024 8:31 pm : link
In comment 16521702 Jon In NYC said:
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100% trades these two firsts and a future pick to get to like 8 overall to get Bronny only for Lebron to stay in LA anyway

David Mills? Wasn't that Brad Pitt's character in Seven? Lol.

I actually think Bronny  
nygiants16 : 5/21/2024 8:36 pm : link
could be a really good role player in the NBA, he can shoot the 3, he can handle the ball, he can pass, he can D up..He is not elite at naything but he is good at a lot of things
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Jon In NYC : 5/21/2024 8:36 pm : link
In comment 16521712 Enzo said:
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100% trades these two firsts and a future pick to get to like 8 overall to get Bronny only for Lebron to stay in LA anyway


David Mills? Wasn't that Brad Pitt's character in Seven? Lol.


Honestly I’m glad I got his first name wrong. The more I can forget about that era the better.
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Enzo : 5/21/2024 8:38 pm : link
In comment 16521450 k2tampa said:
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My point was Arod was motivated by the money. That was Nos. 1, 2, and 3 on his priority list. Brunson seems to be just the opposite.

you seem to be laying it on a bit thick, lol. Brunson got what he could 2 years ago (and rightly so). It's not like he came for the MLE.

And A-Rod tried to REDUCE his contract in order to facilitate a trade to Boston but the union wouldn't let him.
RE: RE: I once asked ajr in a Knicks thread  
bceagle05 : 5/21/2024 8:38 pm : link
In comment 16521706 aimrocky said:
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I can’t believe I’m reading this. Knick fans want LeBron. You guys are crazy.

Knicks fans under the age of 60 would like to see a championship in their lifetimes.
heard Evan Roberts  
Enzo : 5/21/2024 8:48 pm : link
talking earlier about how he'd listen to a Rockets trade offer for Bridges involving Jalen Green and getting their picks back. I cannot confirm if he was drunk or not. lol.
RE: I just keep going back to that  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/21/2024 8:50 pm : link
In comment 16521711 nygiants16 said:
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Paul and Leon Rose meeting before the deadline, i dont think that was about amalcolm Brogdon or Jordan clarkson...

It was about Lebron, lets be real, do i think its likely to happen or even 50% chance? no..

I think its about a 10% chance with it bumping to 25% if he opts in


LeBron chose lifestyle and business over winning when he made his initial decision to go to the Lakers. I don’t see any of that changing now.
RE: RE: RE: I once asked ajr in a Knicks thread  
aimrocky : 5/21/2024 8:55 pm : link
In comment 16521720 bceagle05 said:
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I can’t believe I’m reading this. Knick fans want LeBron. You guys are crazy.


Knicks fans under the age of 60 would like to see a championship in their lifetimes.


Agreed, but if we won with LeBron, the narrative would be about LeBron. I don’t want to win that way.

I firmly believe the superstars of the LeBron era hurt the NBA product, with their me first attitude and play style, flopping and incessant complaining. It feels like the league is finally coming out of that haze, with team and city oriented superstars, de-emphasizing flopping and emphasizing a more physical game that isn’t over officiated. Hopefully all of that brings the complaining down, but that remains to be seen.

I can’t wait for the LeBron’s, Harden’s, Durant’s and Kyrie’s disappear.
RE: heard Evan Roberts  
Jon In NYC : 5/21/2024 8:55 pm : link
In comment 16521728 Enzo said:
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talking earlier about how he'd listen to a Rockets trade offer for Bridges involving Jalen Green and getting their picks back. I cannot confirm if he was drunk or not. lol.


Apparently this was on the table and the Nets turned it down, which is objectively a horrible decision.

Hopefully the Rockets look elsewhere this summer because that's a tough offer to beat. We should have everything else covered.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 5/21/2024 9:01 pm : link
In comment 16521480 shyster said:
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.

Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.


if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.

As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.



I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.



Brute fact is that Brunson is a lot smaller than any of the players mentioned. Big guys stay big; little guys who lose a step, well . . .

If Brunson were to suffer an ACL or Achilles injury, he would not be in demand around the league for a top money contract.

And he is smart enough to know it.


Thing with Brunson is that explosive athleticism is not the platform for his success. I care less about his foot speed
or lift than almost any guard in the league.
RE: I actually think Bronny  
jestersdead : 5/21/2024 9:08 pm : link
In comment 16521716 nygiants16 said:
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could be a really good role player in the NBA, he can shoot the 3, he can handle the ball, he can pass, he can D up..He is not elite at naything but he is good at a lot of things

That’s the complete opposite take of scouts and NBA folks I’ve read recently.
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The other scout dropped a harsher take, saying: "Positional athlete. Doesn't function as an elite athlete. Tweener stuck between two positions. Should be a point guard based on his size, but he can't run an offense. He's handicapped as an undersized shooting guard because he can't shoot.

The scout furthered, "His comp [is] a poor man's Davion Mitchell. He is not an NBA prospect in my opinion."
RE: RE: Would LeBron sign with a guarantee that the Knicks use their  
Anakim : 5/21/2024 9:13 pm : link
In comment 16521673 larryflower37 said:
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picks to trade up for Bronny?


Trade up?
Bronny is drafted in the 2nd and can lead the Westchester Knicks to a title while taking his team out every weekend on his dad's credit card.


Correct, to guarantee that we get him. I know he's a second round talent (if that), but could the Knicks have a wink-wink deal with LeBron to secure drafting Bronny.
Brunson’s game is predicated on footwork  
LW_Giants : 5/21/2024 9:14 pm : link
Head fakes, and ability to read the center’s coverage.

With his improvement in three point shooting, I actually think his game will age very nicely. He’s not a slasher or dunker, those are the guys that struggle when they lose a step (except if you’re Lebron who never ages lol)
Who says no:  
Jon In NYC : 5/21/2024 9:20 pm : link
Knicks get Bridges

Hawks get Ben Simmons, Deuce, both 2024 1sts, 2026 first, Wiz protected first

Nets get Trae Young, Bojan
RE: Who says no:  
nygiants16 : 5/21/2024 9:32 pm : link
In comment 16521766 Jon In NYC said:
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Knicks get Bridges

Hawks get Ben Simmons, Deuce, both 2024 1sts, 2026 first, Wiz protected first

Nets get Trae Young, Bojan


Thats actuwlly a pretty fair trade
RE: RE: I actually think Bronny  
nygiants16 : 5/21/2024 9:34 pm : link
In comment 16521753 jestersdead said:
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could be a really good role player in the NBA, he can shoot the 3, he can handle the ball, he can pass, he can D up..He is not elite at naything but he is good at a lot of things


That’s the complete opposite take of scouts and NBA folks I’ve read recently.

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The other scout dropped a harsher take, saying: "Positional athlete. Doesn't function as an elite athlete. Tweener stuck between two positions. Should be a point guard based on his size, but he can't run an offense. He's handicapped as an undersized shooting guard because he can't shoot.

The scout furthered, "His comp [is] a poor man's Davion Mitchell. He is not an NBA prospect in my opinion."



I mean i am not a scout so lol, i could be conlletely wrong , just saying id tske a flier
RE: RE: heard Evan Roberts  
nygiants16 : 5/21/2024 9:35 pm : link
In comment 16521739 Jon In NYC said:
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talking earlier about how he'd listen to a Rockets trade offer for Bridges involving Jalen Green and getting their picks back. I cannot confirm if he was drunk or not. lol.



Apparently this was on the table and the Nets turned it down, which is objectively a horrible decision.

Hopefully the Rockets look elsewhere this summer because that's a tough offer to beat. We should have everything else covered.


The way Green finished the season, they arent trading him
These threads are going to be fun  
nygiants16 : 5/21/2024 9:37 pm : link
Imagine getting George or Mikal and having a finishing lineup of:

Brunson, Divo, Hart, George or Mikal and OG against smaller teams..
Boston has 21 free throws to the pacers 2  
LW_Giants : 5/21/2024 10:09 pm : link
Are Carlisle and the media going to freak out like they did when the Knicks had a much smaller free throw edge?
I’ve only watched a few minutes of the game  
bceagle05 : 5/21/2024 10:11 pm : link
but Indy is predictably making Al Horford look like the old man he is. Boston needs KP back soon. I’m sure Horford will still hit a big three soon, as always.
RE: I’ve only watched a few minutes of the game  
LW_Giants : 5/21/2024 10:16 pm : link
In comment 16521793 bceagle05 said:
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but Indy is predictably making Al Horford look like the old man he is. Boston needs KP back soon. I’m sure Horford will still hit a big three soon, as always.


Boston has gone to zone in the second half and it’s slowed Indiana a bit. Knicks prob should have tried something similar games 6 and 7 given the number of guys they were down and Indy’s shooting
RE: I’ve only watched a few minutes of the game  
nygiants16 : 5/21/2024 10:17 pm : link
In comment 16521793 bceagle05 said:
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but Indy is predictably making Al Horford look like the old man he is. Boston needs KP back soon. I’m sure Horford will still hit a big three soon, as always.


Right on cue
Horford has been awful  
nygiants16 : 5/21/2024 10:18 pm : link
absolutely killjng the Celtics
Siakim is one of the biggest floppers in the league.  
CooperDash : 5/21/2024 10:19 pm : link
Is that dude ever NOT throwing himself to the floor?
RE: RE: I’ve only watched a few minutes of the game  
LW_Giants : 5/21/2024 10:19 pm : link
In comment 16521796 nygiants16 said:
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but Indy is predictably making Al Horford look like the old man he is. Boston needs KP back soon. I’m sure Horford will still hit a big three soon, as always.



Right on cue


Yep, he’s missed a ton of wide open three pointers.
Celtics should try Tatum at the 5  
LW_Giants : 5/21/2024 10:20 pm : link
They did it a bit during the regular season and it was great. This is a good team to do it against since Turner isn’t a post up guy.
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