Warning: I know this is unrealistic. If you are not interested in this exercise, just continue scrolling.
You be the GM:
In a hypothetical world, at the trade deadline (November 5th, 2024) let's say the Giants are 0-9, 1-8, or 2-7 and clearly out of the playoff race. Unfortunately, this scenario does not seem too unrealistic.
Would you be willing to trade Andrew Thomas?
Let's use the Laremy Tunsil trade compensation as a guideline: the Miami Dolphins acquired a 2020 1st round pick, a 2021 1st round pick, a 2021 2nd round pick, CB Johnson Bademosi and OT Julien Davenport from the Houston Texans in exchange for OT Laremy Tunsil, WR Kenny Stills, a 2020 4th round pick and a 2021 6th round pick.
Let's say that the Giants could get a 1st round pick in the 2025 NFL draft, a 2nd round pick in the 2025 NFL draft, and a 1st round pick in the 2026 NFL draft from a desperate contender in exchange for a young, all-pro caliber OT under contract for 6 more years.
Would you make this trade? Would the goal be to eventually secure a QB with the picks as part of a trade-up? What compensation would make you think about it?
If we use Barkley as an example, it seems Schoen (and Mara) are hesitant to deal players in-season or at the deadline.
Andrew Thomas is my favorite player on the team. I do not want to trade him away, but could he be a valuable asset to jumpstart this rebuild?
Thomas and Lawrence are the top two players on this current roster and are in premium positions. Also find him paid really well but not in an overpay sense one bit.
If a bottom team wanted him and dealt two 1sts and more? Sure, but if not, no.
When the Giants come out and smoke the Vikings and Commanders week 1 and 2 and then win a close one in Cleveland the vibe here is going to be so funny going into the Cowboys night game.
I'm taking receipts....ALL YEAR BABY.
Schoen opted to pay then and build around them.
The Giants are going for it. They're a team built to win now. We'll see how it goes.
You cannot trade every good player you have, that is stupid. But please, treat this like some sort NBA draft lottery..
2 - It is directly or indirectly to acquire a franchise QB
By the reasoning some here have shared (Go Terps the biggest one) then the Giants of 84 offseason (after a bad 82 and a horrible 83) should have trade LT for all the picks they can get. That is basically what you are saying here as there are only a FEW VERY GOOD to possibly GREAT left tackles in the game right now and young too...
No you do NOT trade your all pro, signed long term left tackle for draft picks to use on a position that has to have a LEFT TACKLE to allow them to do their job...
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The time to consider trading him (and Lawrence) was probably before they got paid as part of a true tear down. They're very good players, but the thought process would be that they'd help the team more by bringing in cheap assets than by being expensive centerpieces.
Schoen opted to pay then and build around them.
The Giants are going for it. They're a team built to win now. We'll see how it goes.
You cannot trade every good player you have, that is stupid. But please, treat this like some sort NBA draft lottery..
He'd use those assets to pick bum prospects like Malik Willis.
Keep the guys who could start for anyone and build.
By the reasoning some here have shared (Go Terps the biggest one) then the Giants of 84 offseason (after a bad 82 and a horrible 83) should have trade LT for all the picks they can get. That is basically what you are saying here as there are only a FEW VERY GOOD to possibly GREAT left tackles in the game right now and young too...
No you do NOT trade your all pro, signed long term left tackle for draft picks to use on a position that has to have a LEFT TACKLE to allow them to do their job...
Thomas is good - but you really comparing a good LT, to THE LT???
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By the reasoning some here have shared (Go Terps the biggest one) then the Giants of 84 offseason (after a bad 82 and a horrible 83) should have trade LT for all the picks they can get. That is basically what you are saying here as there are only a FEW VERY GOOD to possibly GREAT left tackles in the game right now and young too...
No you do NOT trade your all pro, signed long term left tackle for draft picks to use on a position that has to have a LEFT TACKLE to allow them to do their job...
Thomas is good - but you really comparing a good LT, to THE LT???
Not just that, he's making up a scenario comparing today to an era with no free agency, no salary cap, no rookie wage scale...just a completely different sport played by different rules.
Pros
2 first round picks could set us up to pick a QB.
Con
We just saw the Vikings with Two first round picks and they needed a hope and a prayer to draft the 5th QB in round 1.
Pro
We dump the salary.
Con
Who are spending the extra cap on? LT is a premium position and we just paid Burns 150 million which means this team is clearly rebuilding around 1) young 2) top tier talent at 3) premium positions. Thomas checks off all three boxes.
Based on my analysis of the situation I would definitely pass.
Do this until we are filled with really good players.
Then we will be good.
To me Cross was the better player to draft at the time because 1) he had the highest floor as a pass protector and 2) he could step in at left tackle if AT missed any time (as he has shown he gets dinged up). As it stands, we're hoping Neal can raise his floor, let alone reach the ceiling that the Giants went for and we all saw what happens to a season when AT goes down.
Schoen opted to pay then and build around them.
The Giants are going for it. They're a team built to win now. We'll see how it goes.
"They're a team built to win now."
So, you're saying they're not going 0-17?
"They're a team built to win now."
So, you're saying they're not going 0-17?
I'm saying their roster is structured like they are ready to win now...and no one seems to think they will.
Fans often make the mistake of valueing quantity over quality. Especially when that quality is at a premium position like LT.
Very low likelihood you get a LT who is anywhere near as good with the picks you acquire.
Thomas is 25 and on a team friendly deal. That deal already looks phenomenal 12 months in.
He’s proposed NEVER giving any player a big contract, always keeping cap flexibility, regardless of position, be it LT or QB.
The fallacy in this philosophy, is the game has evolved where the more top notch players you have, the better your chances of winning.
Schoen recognizes this. He has two, established players at the top of their positions. He’s opted to build around them.
He’s trying to accumulate as many top players as he can (so is every GM).
They are NOT built to win now. If they were “going for it “ with Jones, they wouldn’t have structured Jones’ contract as they have.
When they give their starting QB 50+ million a year (like the Lions just did with Goff), THEN they will be going for it.
When the Giants come out and smoke the Vikings and Commanders week 1 and 2 and then win a close one in Cleveland the vibe here is going to be so funny going into the Cowboys night game.
I wouldn't be surprised if we do beat both Minny and the Commanders to start the year. They'll both likely be starting rookie QBs.
When they give their starting QB 50+ million a year (like the Lions just did with Goff), THEN they will be going for it.
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That said-gun to head-I'd go 'no' on this trade hypothetical.
So it’s Schoen’s fault they literally every lineman he has drafted has gotten hurt?
Interesting take
Ya think terrible has had something to do with it as well?
Gotta love how people regurgitate stuff with literally zero context
Thomas has been very good but he also has injury issues. With that compensation we could/should be able to improve the team. It also most likely means Jones will be replaced and we will need ammo to move up and get the QB we want.
Thomas is a great player but his greatness has not converted to wins. Sometimes it’s best for both parties to move on.
I like Thomas and don’t want to trade him but the comp is too good to pass up. If we suck again it also means our player are not developing and Thomas is going to be on a losing team for 2-3 more years. A waste of his talents. Click the reset button
Also…we should’ve drafted Penix because a rookie lefty QB would be unbothered by Neal for the aforementioned reason.
Brilliant. They aren't sure they have one top OT an and if the team is bad trade the one guy you got. This site is just off the wall. Half want the team to lose so Jones is gone. The other half think it's good to trade one of their top players
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If it is Schoen, then no thanks. To date he has proven bad at identifying quality OL.
So it’s Schoen’s fault they literally every lineman he has drafted has gotten hurt?
Interesting take
Ya think terrible has had something to do with it as well?
Gotta love how people regurgitate stuff with literally zero context
So then why did they not run medicals or something? Why did they draft an injured tackle at #7 overall? Because Neal has been ghastly terrible since day one of his rookie camps.
When we were churning good defensive lineman a few years ago, letting them walk, we were definitely hurting ourselves.
The only scenario I'd move Thomas is if 1) Neal completely turns it on this year 2) the compensation was two first round picks and a competent tackle.
I thought for sure the overwhelming majority would say it would be crazy to consider a trade.
Is it possible Neal is more serviceable on the left side?
I don't think you need a stud LT. A good one, with a decent rest of the OL, should be good enough.
Didn't Schoen trade both Williams and Toney (easy call on that one) at the deadline?
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If it is Schoen, then no thanks. To date he has proven bad at identifying quality OL.
So it’s Schoen’s fault they literally every lineman he has drafted has gotten hurt?
Interesting take
Ya think terrible has had something to do with it as well?
Gotta love how people regurgitate stuff with literally zero context
So then why did they not run medicals or something? Why did they draft an injured tackle at #7 overall? Because Neal has been ghastly terrible since day one of his rookie camps.
WTF are you talking about?
They got hurt AFTER they got drafted
Seriously?
It would take a price worth of a ransom note to make that trade though. Two first and a second is close. Toss in a future 3rd and we might have a deal Vin.
I thought for sure the overwhelming majority would say it would be crazy to consider a trade.
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sounds good to people with nothing on the line. Sure, go for it, nothing else has worked. But I don’t expect it to work, and don’t face any repercussions when it doesn’t.
I think we've found our QB. This is the team in its window.
Soup isn't a meal
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Andrew Thomas is on his way to being a great player. Another team would have to offer me pretty close to a move up to draft a QB haul for me to consider trading him.
I am somewhat concerned about his ability to stay healthy though. The Giants know a lot more about his health than I do so that could change the calculation a little bit for them.
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sounds good to people with nothing on the line. Sure, go for it, nothing else has worked. But I don’t expect it to work, and don’t face any repercussions when it doesn’t.
I think we've found our QB. This is the team in its window.
Soup isn't a meal
Well, some hearty soups are. And if you crumbled some crackers in it, then it definitely could be considered a meal.