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You be the GM: would you trade Andrew Thomas?

Vin_Cuccs : 5/21/2024 3:17 pm
Warning: I know this is unrealistic. If you are not interested in this exercise, just continue scrolling.

You be the GM:

In a hypothetical world, at the trade deadline (November 5th, 2024) let's say the Giants are 0-9, 1-8, or 2-7 and clearly out of the playoff race. Unfortunately, this scenario does not seem too unrealistic.

Would you be willing to trade Andrew Thomas?

Let's use the Laremy Tunsil trade compensation as a guideline: the Miami Dolphins acquired a 2020 1st round pick, a 2021 1st round pick, a 2021 2nd round pick, CB Johnson Bademosi and OT Julien Davenport from the Houston Texans in exchange for OT Laremy Tunsil, WR Kenny Stills, a 2020 4th round pick and a 2021 6th round pick.

Let's say that the Giants could get a 1st round pick in the 2025 NFL draft, a 2nd round pick in the 2025 NFL draft, and a 1st round pick in the 2026 NFL draft from a desperate contender in exchange for a young, all-pro caliber OT under contract for 6 more years.

Would you make this trade? Would the goal be to eventually secure a QB with the picks as part of a trade-up? What compensation would make you think about it?

If we use Barkley as an example, it seems Schoen (and Mara) are hesitant to deal players in-season or at the deadline.

Andrew Thomas is my favorite player on the team. I do not want to trade him away, but could he be a valuable asset to jumpstart this rebuild?
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No. Not just no  
Cyrus the Great : 5/22/2024 6:34 am : link
HELL NO
No. I think game theory would show that to be a contender you  
markky : 5/22/2024 7:06 am : link
actually have to overpay to keep the proven talent on your team, even with the constraint of a salary cap. You only have 7 draft picks per year, using a high pick to (possibly) replace someone you already have is very counterproductive.

When we were churning good defensive lineman a few years ago, letting them walk, we were definitely hurting ourselves.
 
christian : 5/22/2024 7:20 am : link
Before the contract it was an interesting debate. On a progressively more team friendly deal, that's not a good transaction.

The only scenario I'd move Thomas is if 1) Neal completely turns it on this year 2) the compensation was two first round picks and a competent tackle.
This is very interesting.  
Vin_Cuccs : 5/22/2024 8:47 am : link
The responses seem split 50/50.

I thought for sure the overwhelming majority would say it would be crazy to consider a trade.
No one,  
fkap : 5/22/2024 9:17 am : link
except a stud QB, is untradable IF the haul is big enough.

Is it possible Neal is more serviceable on the left side?

I don't think you need a stud LT. A good one, with a decent rest of the OL, should be good enough.

Didn't Schoen trade both Williams and Toney (easy call on that one) at the deadline?
I could't run to the phone fast enough.  
anon837 : 5/22/2024 9:40 am : link
Would do it without hesitation. You can find tackles every year in the draft as well as veteran free agent players to man that position. On the Move The Sticks podcast with Bucky and DJ, they always talk about the No Tomato Can theory. You want the All Pro but you can not have a tomato can. With the right talent and coaching, you can cull together an NFL line. Is having an All Pro great? Absolutely. But the LT is just one player on a line of 5. They have to work in unison or else it's not going to work. Thomas doesn't buoy the rest of the rest of the line, just his position. A Malik Nabers buoys the rest of the receiving corp because he is a threat (as far as we know) and the defense has to account for him. He helps tilt the field in the Giants' favor and allows the previous WR2 masquerading as WR1 to move back to his appropriate spot. We love Thomas and what he brings, but he's a lot easier to replace than a franchise signal caller.
RE: RE: RE: Who is picking his replacement?  
Mbavaro : 5/22/2024 9:53 am : link
In comment 16521840 NYDCBlue said:
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If it is Schoen, then no thanks. To date he has proven bad at identifying quality OL.



So it’s Schoen’s fault they literally every lineman he has drafted has gotten hurt?

Interesting take

Ya think terrible has had something to do with it as well?

Gotta love how people regurgitate stuff with literally zero context



So then why did they not run medicals or something? Why did they draft an injured tackle at #7 overall? Because Neal has been ghastly terrible since day one of his rookie camps.



WTF are you talking about?
They got hurt AFTER they got drafted
Seriously?
BBI  
Carl in CT : 5/22/2024 10:09 am : link
Always says draft a qb, draft a qb. You would have the picks to do so. But guess what, until the OL is fixed that qb will fail. And let’s repeat the cycle again. Fix the OL then get your signal caller.
Two firsts and a second would be tempting.  
Andy in Halifax : 5/22/2024 10:15 am : link
It would be even more tempting if Neal was turning the corner and playing well enough to be a decent starter at LT.

It would take a price worth of a ransom note to make that trade though. Two first and a second is close. Toss in a future 3rd and we might have a deal Vin.
I Would Be the GM  
clatterbuck : 5/22/2024 3:53 pm : link
until the day after I traded Andrew Thomas and then I wouldn't be the GM any more.
If we are total ass at the deadline (not unrealistic)  
The_Boss : 5/22/2024 4:30 pm : link
I’d look to trade both AT and Dex. When this team is ready to compete, what will they be as players? Is it fair to think both will be all pro level in 4-5 years? I say that time frame because: year 1 (2024) will be shit..year 2 we start (maybe?) rookie qb..give him 2 years to develop..by 2028, are we set to compete for playoffs/Super Bowl? That seems like a fair timeline.
"jumpstart" the rebuild?  
Matt M. : 5/22/2024 5:04 pm : link
We are already in year 3 of the rebuild. The roster has almost entirely turned over from the start of this regime.
RE: This is very interesting.  
JoeSchoens11 : 5/22/2024 5:39 pm : link
In comment 16521937 Vin_Cuccs said:
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The responses seem split 50/50.

I thought for sure the overwhelming majority would say it would be crazy to consider a trade.
I’m surprised as well. Only one poster applied the actual context in mentioning that the 1st 1st rnd pick was pick 26. No way would I consider that deal. Ironically the next year’s pick was the 3rd overall so the value did end up being there but that was a highly unlikely outcome.
If it is an insanely great offer  
56goat : 5/23/2024 12:34 pm : link
than I do it. We still have many holes to fill.
RE: RE: Trading everyone until you find your QB  
Mayo2JZ : 5/23/2024 12:36 pm : link
In comment 16521419 Go Terps said:
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sounds good to people with nothing on the line. Sure, go for it, nothing else has worked. But I don’t expect it to work, and don’t face any repercussions when it doesn’t.



I think we've found our QB. This is the team in its window.



Soup isn't a meal
No  
SGMen : 5/23/2024 3:35 pm : link
Look, lets say a team offered a #1, #2 and #1 plus a quality enough last year of contract veteran OT. You consider it sure but pulling the trigger on a chief cornerstone player is not good.
I think in my time as a Giants fan  
arniefez : 5/23/2024 3:53 pm : link
since 1966 I can count the players on one hand that I'd laugh and hang up the phone if another GM called and wanted to trade for them. No matter what they would offer.

#56
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Andrew Thomas is on his way to being a great player. Another team would have to offer me pretty close to a move up to draft a QB haul for me to consider trading him.

I am somewhat concerned about his ability to stay healthy though. The Giants know a lot more about his health than I do so that could change the calculation a little bit for them.
RE: RE: RE: Trading everyone until you find your QB  
ThomasG : 5/23/2024 4:49 pm : link
In comment 16523169 Mayo2JZ said:
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In comment 16521413 UConn4523 said:


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sounds good to people with nothing on the line. Sure, go for it, nothing else has worked. But I don’t expect it to work, and don’t face any repercussions when it doesn’t.



I think we've found our QB. This is the team in its window.





Soup isn't a meal


Well, some hearty soups are. And if you crumbled some crackers in it, then it definitely could be considered a meal.
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