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Skinner & Dan Schneier - Excellent interview ...

Manny in CA : 5/22/2024 12:05 am

In the 3rd round, (#70)the Giants drafted CB Andru Phillips and passed on K-State's guard Cooper Beebe. The guys talked about this and it just reminded me how bad I wanted Beebe for the Giants; the hated Cowpukes snatched him up (#73). (The rich get richer, probably their next Pro Bowler, makes me sick).
Either the Giants made a  
Bill in UT : 5/22/2024 12:40 am : link
great pick in Phillips or they still don't know how to scout OL. Or they thought they were ok at OG after free agency. We'll know in a year or so
No question Eluemunor is a high quality vet pick-up ...  
Manny in CA : 5/22/2024 1:06 am : link

But I agree with the analysts, the O-line question doesn't seem to be fully resolved (even though by not drafting to help this area they communicate they're "good enough")

Just watching Beebe against Texas, and seeing him go against 1st rounder (#16) Byron Murphy & 2nd rounder T'Vondre Sweat (#38) - how he stopped both in their tracks is pretty darned impressive.

I don't think Phillips faced Marvin Harrison, Malik Nabers, Rome Odunze, or Adonai Mitchell (not his fault) - But, do you see him shutting down any of those guys ? - that's the equivalent question; that's all I'm sayin.
Beebe will be an interesting case study  
Sy'56 : 5/22/2024 6:12 am : link
There are elements to his game that belong in the undrafted category. But his athletic testing exceeded expectations and he played all over the line with success.

I'm not sold he will be anything more than an average player though. There is a lot of "ugly" in his game that he got away with - that won't happen in the NFL
I know Bobby wanted  
Keaton028 : 5/22/2024 7:50 am : link
Christian Haynes. It will be interesting to see how he does with the Seahawks.
I think they made the OL situation sound worse than it is  
BillT : 5/22/2024 8:23 am : link
They seemed to avoid looking at or expressing much confidence in the most obvious lineup in Thomas, Runyon, JMS, Eluemunor and Neal. That certainly would be the best talent we’ve had in a decade. And of Neal fails then Eluemunor would slide over and Stinnie(?) steps in. Still a better lineup than we’ve had in a long while. They made it sound like they couldn’t figure out what the Giants were doing or that they had thought this through. The Giants need immediate help. FA is where you get that not round 3.
Not drafting a guard or tackle was the best choice  
Marty in Albany : 5/22/2024 8:45 am : link
The Giants absolutely need their O-Line to at least function on an average level in order to allow the rest of the team to function at all.

Here's your choice: Use newly acquired veterans who at least have a track record of playing well to replace poorly performing linemen. Or,

Draft rookie linemen who might be good in the long run, but who are very likely to be terrible if forced to start in their rookie year.

If you absolutely need to improve the team this year, and the second coming of Andrew Thomas was available, would you draft him if you knew that he would be terrible in his first year? Another example: We drafted a top Center in Shmitz. He had all kinds of college experience, and was a far better choice than anyone who was available in the third round this year. He'll be great someday, but he wasn't last year.

They added 5 guys in FA  
UberAlias : 5/22/2024 8:45 am : link
Including two starters. They did that to add flexibility in the draft and allow them to focus on value. In terms of need, CB is every big as big a need as Oline. The kid they drafted is likely going to start for this team day 1 as slot. So if they graded the CB higher than the Oline, then this was the right move. You can have a preference one way or the other, but this was certainly not a case where an obvious bad decision was made. It's going to come down to who ends up being the better player.
I said it the other day  
jvm52106 : 5/22/2024 8:48 am : link
and I will say it again here- The Giants SB teams didn't have THE BEST players at every line position and in some years had guys who would struggle on other teams but they played as a UNIT very well..

It is about the play as the unit more than individual guys being great. Yes you have to have talent but you really need to jell, to know your role, know your abilities and trust the guys next to you to know and do the same. Hopefully we have that with this group..

Thomas is a stud
JMS should be a good Center
Neal has potential but has to realize it.

Runyan, J.EL, A.St, A.Sc all should be helpful, useful starters or role players and then our own young guys Josh E, MM getting healthy and contributing.. Health and consistency should be a big plus this year alone.

If Neal develops, our TE's blcok some this year and we get solid interior play, our offense can utilize its weapons..
When is the last time they hit on a 3rd round  
ZogZerg : 5/22/2024 8:54 am : link
Or later OL?

The corner made much more sense there.
I just finished it. As a rule, I don't spend the time watching long  
Ira : 5/22/2024 10:21 am : link
sports interviews on youtube, but this one was very good.
I wanted Beebe too, but Phillips  
Section331 : 5/22/2024 10:40 am : link
made a lot of sense. A good player at a position of need, arguably more of a need than OL, given the FA signings.
RE: When is the last time they hit on a 3rd round  
Mike in NY : 5/22/2024 10:41 am : link
In comment 16521943 ZogZerg said:
Or later OL?

The corner made much more sense there.

If you want to exclude Bobby Hart, the last OL the Giants drafted in Round 3 or later that had sustained success in the NFL would probably have to be David Diehl. There were a couple of guys in between who showed brief flashes and quickly fizzled out (McCants though that was with the Raiders, Shane Lemieux)
RE: When is the last time they hit on a 3rd round  
Festina Lente : 5/22/2024 11:02 am : link
In comment 16521943 ZogZerg said:
Or later OL?

The corner made much more sense there.

That's not how you think about it though
Giants Sign 5 OL in free agency  
blueblood : 5/22/2024 11:17 am : link
have invested draft capital in OL in the last two drafts with 4 picks on the OL..

have NO ONE that stands out as the #2 corner.. and serious need for a slot corner..

and fans still cry that we didnt take a guard who probably is NOT going to start over two veterans..
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