The discussion is about whether the Giants & Jets have a meddling ownership problem. Lombardi says no doubt that the Jets do. With regards to the Giants:
-He says John Mara is a very nice man and very genuine, but he runs a family business.
-NYG struggles to be objective with their team and fall in love with their players.
-No one else was giving Jones that contract, but it was vindication for picking him 6th overall (he was obviously picked BEFORE Schoen & Daboll arrived).
-The Giants did not win because of Jones in 2022, they won because they managed the game and played complimentary football,
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To say Barkley was the reason in weeks 1-9 isn't accurate (by itself) and he completely fell off the second half of the season..
Which explains the Giants 2 - 5 finish that season. Barkley was instrumental to the Giants success the first half of that season.
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and just kind of sad overall. Here is a guy who just says shit (I mean, how does Dallas not run the boys like a family business?)
Did Lombardi say the Cowboys aren't runine a family business? That would certainly be a dumb take if so.
JJ doesn't hide his meddling, he flaunts it
The Cowboys finished 12-5 the last three seasons.
the last time the NYG had as few as 5 losses was 2016. The last time the NYG had as many as 12 wins was almost a quarter of a century ago.
Maybe some folks here get off on making fun of Jerruh. But from where I sit they are successful, and we are not.
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The Giants won 10 games, finished third in the division, were 0-5 against Philly and Dallas, went 4-6-1 after Halloween, were outscored for the season, and ended the year being non-competitive against a division rival.
For the good teams in the NFL that'd be a bad year. For the Giants it's the last time they 'won'.
Terrible standards.
See, this is a perfect example of your hyperbole. Your post lacks any context. Getting to the divisional round of the NFL playoffs is never a bad season, unless you're talking about a team with concrete Super Bowl expectations or that had gone 16-1 or 17-0 in the regular season. The Giants were far from that kind of team which made it all the more impressive when they were doing it.
Also, we know it was a good season because you packed up shop and went MIA for awhile and we all know the reason is because you couldn't handle your many narratives unraveling at once.
Did that clown really disappear during the 2022 season?
What a fraud
The Cowboys finished 12-5 the last three seasons.
the last time the NYG had as few as 5 losses was 2016. The last time the NYG had as many as 12 wins was almost a quarter of a century ago.
Maybe some folks here get off on making fun of Jerruh. But from where I sit they are successful, and we are not.
And we have been to 3 Super Bowls (winning 2 against Tom Brady) since the last time the Cowboys even made it to the Super Bowl. The Cowboys are masters of winning in the regular season and choking in the playoffs.
The closest analogy would be the Aston Martin Formula 1 team, which was purchased so that the owner's son could have a permanent spot on the grid in F1.
Jones Derangement Syndrome continues to claim victims. Such a moronic take. The Giants are a 100 year old organization, with mixed results throughout their history, but the idea they are run now to serve the needs of one player is so mind-numbingly stupid. But this is what Jones has done to fans.
Turned them into brain-dead megaphones. Carl Banks hit it on the head.
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They are run as a vessel to support Daniel Jones in achieving his personal and financial objectives.
The closest analogy would be the Aston Martin Formula 1 team, which was purchased so that the owner's son could have a permanent spot on the grid in F1.
Jones Derangement Syndrome continues to claim victims. Such a moronic take. The Giants are a 100 year old organization, with mixed results throughout their history, but the idea they are run now to serve the needs of one player is so mind-numbingly stupid. But this is what Jones has done to fans.
Turned them into brain-dead megaphones. Carl Banks hit it on the head.
You have it wrong. Jones Derangement Syndrome is when fans make every excuse for a bad and failed QB and come up with reasons why we should stick with him long after every other NFL franchise would have moved on. If we were the Commanders you would be laughing your ass off about our situation. But it's the Giants and Jones, therfore: Jones Derangement Syndrome.
The road playoff win was really good and he played as well as anyone had ever seen him play. Sure, Minnesota's defense wasn't good, but then again, look at the offensive skill players we fielded in 2022. Not a whole lot there either.
The problem for Jones is the other 4 years of his career, outside of a few glimpses, are no good. Add in 2 neck injuries, an acl, and a handful of other injuries and we are talking about an average at best QB who you cannot depend on week in and week out.
I think this is a fair summary. The only caveat I would put is that the offense was not sustainable long term as it relied on Jones' running much more than his passing. I think the #1 reason for success that season is the game planning of Daboll and Kafka followed by Jones' play (and health) after.
I also don't disagree with anything Lombardi suggested. The Giants have always been loyal to a fault and have always overvalued their own players. It is run like a family business, not a Fortune 500 company.
Did that clown really disappear during the 2022 season?
What a fraud
Yup, and I came back under the same handle.
Whatever happened to Big Blue '56, arcarsenal, Britt in VA, dep026, chopperhatch...? I'm sure those guys and others all just coincidentally stopped posting forever around the same time they couldn't rationalize the Giants anymore.
This place is duperiffic.
I'm not surprised you're oblivious to that impact.
And as for your list, I'm not sure any of them are dupes, except maybe dep.
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Did that clown really disappear during the 2022 season?
What a fraud
Yup, and I came back under the same handle.
Whatever happened to Big Blue '56, arcarsenal, Britt in VA, dep026, chopperhatch...? I'm sure those guys and others all just coincidentally stopped posting forever around the same time they couldn't rationalize the Giants anymore.
This place is duperiffic.
Once again….not even remotely true and I have literally no idea who those people are….but it just illustrates how much of a douche you are to disappear when the team has a little success only to crawl out of your hole when they falter
Poster child for a Message Board Tourettes
I'm not surprised you're oblivious to that impact.
And as for your list, I'm not sure any of them are dupes, except maybe dep.
Climbing skyscrapers? I didn't know he was Spiderman!
(also chopper had a dupe)
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and just kind of sad overall. Here is a guy who just says shit (I mean, how does Dallas not run the boys like a family business?) that may or may not be true in a way that makes him sound like he is breaking new ground or sharing some deep cover info.. He is a joke..
This Jones contract thing will appeal to the folks who want to believe that no matter what but it just doesn't pass the smell test when in reality it was done to make sure that they could KEEP Barkley without committing to a long term deal with him at $$$$$'s he wanted. It was either Jones gets done and keep Barkley or neither was getting done and Jones would be franchised... I the Giants made the mistake of keeping Barkley (twice actually) when in reality franchising Jones and letting Barkley leave was the BEST financial option..
People will ignore that fact and ignore the fact that the contract for Jones was done with basically a two year window in mind. Yes, the Giants won in 2022 with him, not because of him but that doesn't mean we can't do that again.. What Jones's contract means is he needs to be the WHY if he will realize the full contract value.
Lombardi is a joke- has been for a long time and honestly this isn't very insightful at all. I would love to see someone have a take on the whole Jones & Barkley connection for the 2023 off-season, what really went into play there and take a deeper look at what was really being done. Instead it is always focused on Mara made JS and BD do the deal with Jones and I don't buy that. i think they were told to keep both (sign one and Franchise the other) and the calculated risk was less with Jones (as he would be easier to inflate the contract $'s based on the position and with an out in the deal, where Barkley wanted high end RB money and doubtful he would accept an escape clause in there)..
Fascinating theory. You mean to tell me the Giants decided to give Jones a stupid contract, paid him an extra 10 to 20 million a year, so that they could save 1 or 2 million a year on the Barkley contract?
That makes perfect business sense. Actually, it makes no sense at all. Please stop repeating it.
The DJ contract is the dumbest contract in sports history - and it was self-evident at the time. Those of us who pounded the table hard against it were vilified as haters. But the rah rah delusional optimism was running amok at the time and Schoen fell for it like an imbecilic mark in a fraudulent confidence scheme.
But trying to justify DJ's contract now for any reason at all in hindsight, is arguably dumber than Schoen giving him the contract in the first place. I just cannot believe there are knowledgable people who somehow can't recognize that what Schoen did with DJ was worse than anything Gettleman or Reese ever did to this franchise. By far.
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They are run as a vessel to support Daniel Jones in achieving his personal and financial objectives.
The closest analogy would be the Aston Martin Formula 1 team, which was purchased so that the owner's son could have a permanent spot on the grid in F1.
Jones Derangement Syndrome continues to claim victims. Such a moronic take. The Giants are a 100 year old organization, with mixed results throughout their history, but the idea they are run now to serve the needs of one player is so mind-numbingly stupid. But this is what Jones has done to fans.
Turned them into brain-dead megaphones. Carl Banks hit it on the head.
You have it wrong. Jones Derangement Syndrome is when fans make every excuse for a bad and failed QB and come up with reasons why we should stick with him long after every other NFL franchise would have moved on. If we were the Commanders you would be laughing your ass off about our situation. But it's the Giants and Jones, therfore: Jones Derangement Syndrome.
Fan outlook and attitude is going to be driven by the team's performance. There are plenty of threads that have nothing to do with Jones, Mara, or how much the team sucks.
Right now you can go talk about Schmitz being a comeback candidate, Travis Tracy being the next Alvin Kamara, OTAs, Jordan Phillips, or any number of other topics. You'll generally find those topics lightly discussed because few people care.
No one is making you click on threads about Jones and no one is stopping you from posting on our starting threads on other issues. You just like bitching about people bitching.
And people will stop bitching when the Giants stop being a poorly run joke of a football team. People are pissed, and they should be.
I just want to say we didn't miss you! But hugs and kisses.
1000x over, this.
I have no issue with DJ threads. Pro or Con.
But inserting him into threads about other topics is tired. Yes, the QB IS related to most things football...but stating the same things simply because a poster may believe that there is ONE BBIr that may not be aware of their opinion, is childish and takes away from the conversation.
The thread becomes a "look at me."
I have no issue with DJ threads. Pro or Con.
But inserting him into threads about other topics is tired. Yes, the QB IS related to most things football...but stating the same things simply because a poster may believe that there is ONE BBIr that may not be aware of their opinion, is childish and takes away from the conversation.
The thread becomes a "look at me."
People feel the Giants are badly mismanaging the most important position, and the data dramatically supports the view. How is this "look at me" on a Giants fan board? You could make the case that we should be debating nothing else, because nothing else matters if you don't get QB right.
Enjoy the bad football. At least your guy Gettleman can't much be blamed anymore.
You really have to dig to find positive outcomes for Jones. And that typically is over a small sample size.
The positive takes on Jones vary somewhere between projection, hope, and excuses. When there is a strong body of evidence Jones is a good quarterback, the tone of the debate will change.
If you take a look in the archives there was a time when Beckham could no wrong, and a time Manning was edging towards draft disappointment.
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I have no issue with DJ threads. Pro or Con.
But inserting him into threads about other topics is tired. Yes, the QB IS related to most things football...but stating the same things simply because a poster may believe that there is ONE BBIr that may not be aware of their opinion, is childish and takes away from the conversation.
The thread becomes a "look at me."
People feel the Giants are badly mismanaging the most important position, and the data dramatically supports the view. How is this "look at me" on a Giants fan board? You could make the case that we should be debating nothing else, because nothing else matters if you don't get QB right.
If you want to discuss management, pick or start a management thread.
Same with DJ.
If someone wants to start a thread about their excitement for the season or high expectations...you should likely not even open that thread.
If you have a fact-based opinion on a topic, all positive and negative views should be equally welcome.
Otherwise what are we doing here?
There are many threads criticizing Jones, Schoen, and Mara. I haven't started a BBI thread in years.
The team is a fucking mess. That is objectively true. If the amount of negative conversation bothers you that it up with the Giants, not the people observing that the sky is blue.
I think that you have missed the point/spirit of the conversation.
Keep the DJ criticisms to DJ specific threads.
That goes for those that wish to derail a thread, regardless of what they want to discuss or not.
It's not so much blindness as arrogance. The belief to not tell a board once, twice or three times, but literally dozens of times a day what a terrible franchise this is, what a terrible QB Jones is, what a terrible owner Mara is. Over and over.
And then to call something out as duperiffic is the height of smug cluelessness as there is no such callout of Producer's dupe(who is right here on this thread) or the 257th reincarnation of Jimmy Googs. I know many people who personally asked eric to have their accounts deleted who aren't coming back as dupes. BB '56 is never coming here as a dupe, nor is Britt. They, like many others tired of the same crap day after day.
I'm sure christian doesn't miss them either. Fewer people to regale on his exploits as a master clockmaker....
The last few iterations almost exclusively just come to BBI to complain about BBI. Imagine coming to a site just to complain about it. What a sad life.
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the echo chamber.
I just want to say we didn't miss you! But hugs and kisses.
You said we. Change that to I. Speak for yourself.
The loudest posters here may not miss FMIC but I feel comfortable saying that the lurkers would welcome a different voice from time to time.
And he's right about echo chambers. It's a problem all over the web.
Maybe one day the Giants will start winning consistently again and we can argue about other things. One can only hope.
Big year 3 coming. I will hope for the best and expose my heart while risking massive disappointment yet again. What else can I do. I do like parts of the roster/depth chart. But there are some question marks.
If you want to start a thread on Tomon Fox being the next LT, or Theo Johnson being the next Kelce, go ahead - no one is stopping you. The number of responses will tell you how interested people are.
No one cares.
But if people are going to talk about what the Giants' prospects are, as well as the how and why of those prospects, the key players are going to be mentioned. And further, the performance of those key players is going to be assessed. That is what people care about.
But the QB situation is like a black cloud that hovers over every aspect of the franchise right now. It’s impossible not to discuss it.
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I have no issue with DJ threads. Pro or Con.
But inserting him into threads about other topics is tired. Yes, the QB IS related to most things football...but stating the same things simply because a poster may believe that there is ONE BBIr that may not be aware of their opinion, is childish and takes away from the conversation.
The thread becomes a "look at me."
People feel the Giants are badly mismanaging the most important position, and the data dramatically supports the view. How is this "look at me" on a Giants fan board? You could make the case that we should be debating nothing else, because nothing else matters if you don't get QB right.
Hard to tell if you're serious.
If you want to discuss management, pick or start a management thread.
Same with DJ.
If someone wants to start a thread about their excitement for the season or high expectations...you should likely not even open that thread.
This is a thread about management. So what you are saying I should do, I am doing.
Shall we discuss what you are doing? Chasing people around a message board and policing what they say about Daniel Jones and how they say it. Why do you think you have a better idea what opinions people should have? Why do you think you are suited to correct people about how and where they should express their feelings?
The last few iterations almost exclusively just come to BBI to complain about BBI. Imagine coming to a site just to complain about it. What a sad life.
When everyone started going after his butt-buddy(Gettleman), he couldn’t hack it.
The two times the Giants have poked their head out of the water, '16 and '22, have been followed by more pain.
It's been a tough decade +.
Of course none of us are happy
At the same point some us don’t take the approach literally repeating the same exact same thing day after day on thread after thread and making shit up like playing the race card
We have a few posters who thinks the the organization has a “type” and won’t draft a black quarterback
Biggest proponent of this is….is participating in this thread
I don't think the Giants are racist. That seems absurd to me. As for the black QB component, one has to remember there weren't a lot of starting black QBs...well, ever. Doug Williams was the first to win a Super Bowl in the '87 season. But I still think-off the top of my head-a majority of starting QBs in the league are white. & the Giants had Eli from '04-'19 & then Jones to the present.
Games started by tall white QBs: 1,399
Games started by anyone fitting any other description: 6 (5 in 2023 only sure to injury)
Games started by tall white QBs: 1,399
Games started by anyone fitting any other description: 6 (5 in 2023 only sure to injury)
Hey douchebag
Why don’t you go ask Eric if I am a dupe?
And yes….lowlife’s race bait…regardless of the issue/position
Games started by tall white QBs: 1,399
Games started by anyone fitting any other description: 6 (5 in 2023 only sure to injury)
Go Terps takes his ball home and goes home when called out by a moderator. And only comes back to have his ego stroked and bitch and complain. He has openly rooted for giants to fail with Jones so he could be right.
He has called Mara racist such as in the post above.
Terps is a miserable human being and needs BBI for counseling services. Hopefully if the Giants win a few games - he’ll leave like the bitch he has shown before.