That was my point. Two goals, one of which was a total softy and one which was basically an own goal. Scoring chances were close to even despite Florida getting more PP time.
i think youre downplaying the florida forecheck and it seems the rangers did too. they were not ready for it. florida is a big team too so they wore us down...
Rangers didn’t get to the dirty areas enough. Gave up a cheap goal, an own goal and an ENG. I think the long layoff carried over into some sluggishness out of the gate. The lineup for game 2 needs to be different. Rempe needs to be inserted, Rangers looked lifeless. Chytil did nothing to me that warrants him playing tomorrow. Neither did Vesey. Brooks also pointed out that Chytil sat for a very long stretch in the 3rd period. Rangers need some energy because they had none last night. Also, Fox is a shell of himself, if he’s hurt that badly, play Jones.
Very few chances for both teams. Florida is going to have an advantage on the fore check. We should have an advantage on the rush.
ESPN was making it sound like Florida was dominant. I didn't see it that way. Maybe they had some edges in territory and shot volume, but we can win games like that. We could've won tonight.
This is two good teams. We'll see how it develops buy it looks pretty even to me. There will be some tossup games in a tossup series. We lost one, which is bad, but we are good and we can win.
but give Florida credit, they were in control of the game from opening puck drop until the final horn. I expect the Rangers will regroup and bounce back tomorrow night, it's what they've done all year. They had some chances, just few and far between, and the old miss the net habit reared its ugly head. Fox is my main concern, he looks like he can barely move. The turnovers were really bad, early on especially. We've all talked about Zac Jones a lot, I think it's time to put him in for Gustafsson. As for Chytil/Rempe, Chytil didn't get much more playing time last night than Rempe would have, but I still think you have to roll with Chytil. What I do not get is having him on the ice with 10 seconds left so Mikkola can send him home with a hard message that Florida is going to play every second of every game. We knew this series would be tough, though I did not expect a game 1 shutout loss. That said, they can rebound and I think they will.
hardly inspiring but no need to panic. just win game 2
Fox is playing injured, that is settled. It looked like he was playing on one leg last night. He was a net negative. I give him credit for battling through it, but he may be hurting the team more than he's helping right now.
Overall - Florida played a sound game, credit to them. Disappointing that the Rangers didn't come out with some more jump. On the other hand, it's somewhat encouraging that the played a "C" game and that it could easily have been 0-0 late in the third period.
Hopefully they have some great video sessions today. After playing 6 straight against a system as unique as Carolina, it was pretty clear that the rangers were tactically stuck in first gear trying to get through the neutral zone.
One thing that really frustrated the shit out of me -- Igor needs to stay between the fucking pipes. He was an absolute idiot with the puck on his stick last night. Not just on the Laf own-goal (which was 100% Igor's fault). Numerous times in the first and second periods as well.
I also wanted to lose my mind when Gustafsson was driving the net with the puck and very little resistance, and made a pass to a player (I think it was Kakko) further away from the goal than he was and at an awful angle. Shoot the damned puck!
I also wanted to lose my mind when Gustafsson was driving the net with the puck and very little resistance, and made a pass to a player (I think it was Kakko) further away from the goal than he was and at an awful angle. Shoot the damned puck!
Yeah, that was dumb. All things considered I thought Kakko got a pretty good shot off, but he's not Ovechkin, and you're setting him up for an awfully low percentage shot at that angle.
I don't think I've seen a goal on home ice in the playoffs since Stepan's game winner against Washington in 2015.
I was there for both shutouts in the ECF and the Pittsburgh shut out in 2016.
Yes, the frequency of home shutout losses in the playoffs by this team is alarming and usually a staple of a series loss. Hopefully they can recover from this one. Luckily it's game 1 and not game 5 or 7.
Fox is playing injured, that is settled. It looked like he was playing on one leg last night. He was a net negative. I give him credit for battling through it, but he may be hurting the team more than he's helping right now.
Overall - Florida played a sound game, credit to them. Disappointing that the Rangers didn't come out with some more jump. On the other hand, it's somewhat encouraging that the played a "C" game and that it could easily have been 0-0 late in the third period.
Hopefully they have some great video sessions today. After playing 6 straight against a system as unique as Carolina, it was pretty clear that the rangers were tactically stuck in first gear trying to get through the neutral zone.
One thing that really frustrated the shit out of me -- Igor needs to stay between the fucking pipes. He was an absolute idiot with the puck on his stick last night. Not just on the Laf own-goal (which was 100% Igor's fault). Numerous times in the first and second periods as well.
I also wanted to lose my mind when Gustafsson was driving the net with the puck and very little resistance, and made a pass to a player (I think it was Kakko) further away from the goal than he was and at an awful angle. Shoot the damned puck!
Jones needs to be inserted, in this series especially. Rangers need a good puck moving defenseman. If it's Fox coming out because he's not 100% or Gus, because he isn't that good, they need someone who can carry it out.
To have our #1 defenseman healthy for ONE FRIGGIN PLAYOFF RUN. I swear, Rosival might have been the last one not to be hobbled by the end of Round 1.
Fox this year and the last, McDonagh and his broken foot.
It is my biggest worry with this team. A #1, all-scenarios defenseman is maybe the most important piece to a Stanley Cup roster. Hedman, Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Makar... I don't recall them playing through debilitating injury. So damn frustrating as a fan.
I don't think I've seen a goal on home ice in the playoffs since Stepan's game winner against Washington in 2015.
I was there for both shutouts in the ECF and the Pittsburgh shut out in 2016.
Yes, the frequency of home shutout losses in the playoffs by this team is alarming and usually a staple of a series loss. Hopefully they can recover from this one. Luckily it's game 1 and not game 5 or 7.
They lost 3-0 in '97 to the Panthers and rolled off four straight.
Rangers ended up with far more quality chances, despite the low shot total. Florida really didn't generate much, and their two goals were weak. So on one hand, that's encouraging, bury a few of those quality chances and it's a different game.
What worries me though is our defensemen continue to really struggle dealing with a strong forecheck, puck retrievals, and zone exits. It's an absolute panic most of the time, just finding any way to flip it out of zone (and the one guy you'd trust to make plays with the puck is obviously injured). Impossible to generate consistent offense this way. We need speed through the neutral zone with possession. We're not a dump and chase team.
It can't just be about survival in the D zone at all times. Have to take some chances to exit with possession and know you've got Igor back there to clean up chances if you do turn it over. Florida is perfectly happy to play a "low event" type of game, pressure our defensemen, and pinch their D hard at the blue line to keep the cycle going. By the time we get it out we need to change the line. We need to find ways to open it up. And no, Rempe's five minutes a night is not the solution to what went on last night. Come on
Unlike Gallant, Lavi is very good at toggling the team based on opponent. Panthers did a great job clogging the middle in the defensive zone--almost reminiscent of the Tortorella Rangers--but they gave up odd man rushes/breakaways.
This is a coinflip series. Losing the first coinflip sucks.
from the whipping boy thing, but Gustafsson has been living on my shit list lately.
I appreciate the role he played this year, and he was a beast in the first ~third of the season, but I am ready for Jones to step into a full-time role.
Hopefully many weeks from now and after raising a trophy, the conversations around the defensemen broadly are going to be interesting.
Rangers ended up with far more quality chances, despite the low shot total. Florida really didn't generate much, and their two goals were weak. So on one hand, that's encouraging, bury a few of those quality chances and it's a different game.
What worries me though is our defensemen continue to really struggle dealing with a strong forecheck, puck retrievals, and zone exits. It's an absolute panic most of the time, just finding any way to flip it out of zone (and the one guy you'd trust to make plays with the puck is obviously injured). Impossible to generate consistent offense this way. We need speed through the neutral zone with possession. We're not a dump and chase team.
It can't just be about survival in the D zone at all times. Have to take some chances to exit with possession and know you've got Igor back there to clean up chances if you do turn it over. Florida is perfectly happy to play a "low event" type of game, pressure our defensemen, and pinch their D hard at the blue line to keep the cycle going. By the time we get it out we need to change the line. We need to find ways to open it up. And no, Rempe's five minutes a night is not the solution to what went on last night. Come on
Seems like they know they didn't get pucks behind the way Florida was doing to them. The intent seemed like it was there, but the rangers D-men were playing so damned timid at the blue line that it was easy for Florida to exit and get through the NZ. NYR were not playing as a unit of 5 AT ALL in the OZ. They were either too late or too timid all night.
Unlike Gallant, Lavi is very good at toggling the team based on opponent. Panthers did a great job clogging the middle in the defensive zone--almost reminiscent of the Tortorella Rangers--but they gave up odd man rushes/breakaways.
This is a coinflip series. Losing the first coinflip sucks.
Speaking of said breakaways, can this team ever freaking score on one? I know during the regular season they had the lowest breakaway goal percentage in the league by a pretty substantial margin. I know it was Schneider and Cuylle on the breakaway chances, but this has been maddening all season long that they just never seem to score on breakaways.
They stayed out of the box (mostly).
They fore checked and controlled zone time
Bobrovsky came up huge on the Rangers high danger chances
And it took a softie and own goal for them to win.
I wouldn't worry.
Someone posted above Fox was playing with a separated shoulder. And I had been interested in that theory because I can't recall him shooting much since the game where the injury allegedly occurred. He let one rip on the PP in the 3rd. He doesn't have a separated shoulder IMO. No way he could do that if he did. It's a LBI IMO. He was a menace on the shot block though but that's really all he did.
I do think if this is all you get from Roslovic I agree with others, he could be watching from the press box. I did not think Chytil was invisible, like some others did, he and Panarin the only forwards who really carried the puck through the neutral zone which is how you need to beat FLA.
I have been against playing Rempe, I think the Panthers will expose him more than be intimidated by him, but if that's all you get from Roslovic then Rempe's positives outweigh his negatives. I doubt Lavy sits Roslovic though. But I could see the lineup change someone above proposed - Chytil on RW1 and Rempe on RW4 and Roslovic to the bench. And Roslovic wasn't the worst forward, so I don't mean to single him out, it's just he plays on a line with Mika and Kreider.
Bottom line if the Rangers scored on a fraction of their high danger chances they win the game. I wouldn't panic, but could see a lineup tweak.
Also, Sasha Barkov is so good. When they talk Selke award this is it, the cliched "200 foot game" so much like Bergeron, but Barkov is a better scorer/skill player. Bergeron a little more physical.
Rangers ended up with far more quality chances, despite the low shot total. Florida really didn't generate much, and their two goals were weak. So on one hand, that's encouraging, bury a few of those quality chances and it's a different game.
What worries me though is our defensemen continue to really struggle dealing with a strong forecheck, puck retrievals, and zone exits. It's an absolute panic most of the time, just finding any way to flip it out of zone (and the one guy you'd trust to make plays with the puck is obviously injured). Impossible to generate consistent offense this way. We need speed through the neutral zone with possession. We're not a dump and chase team.
It can't just be about survival in the D zone at all times. Have to take some chances to exit with possession and know you've got Igor back there to clean up chances if you do turn it over. Florida is perfectly happy to play a "low event" type of game, pressure our defensemen, and pinch their D hard at the blue line to keep the cycle going. By the time we get it out we need to change the line. We need to find ways to open it up. And no, Rempe's five minutes a night is not the solution to what went on last night. Come on
Seems like they know they didn't get pucks behind the way Florida was doing to them. The intent seemed like it was there, but the rangers D-men were playing so damned timid at the blue line that it was easy for Florida to exit and get through the NZ. NYR were not playing as a unit of 5 AT ALL in the OZ. They were either too late or too timid all night.
Yeah agreed. Was far too easy for Florida to exit our zone. Thought we just looked unsure and skittish overall. A few good spurts of play, the start of the second period and the Wennberg chance in the third into the PP, were interrupted by silly mistakes that killed momentum. Roslovic high stick and Igor playing the puck before the own goal. Just a strange start to the series from our team, but some credit is due to Florida for sure.
Kreider did talk about the ice being pretty bad. There were uncharacteristic fumbles of the puck all night. Could have been a factor and that's tougher when you're trying to come back instead of playing a simple game with the lead like Florida was able to.
To have our #1 defenseman healthy for ONE FRIGGIN PLAYOFF RUN. I swear, Rosival might have been the last one not to be hobbled by the end of Round 1.
Fox this year and the last, McDonagh and his broken foot.
It is my biggest worry with this team. A #1, all-scenarios defenseman is maybe the most important piece to a Stanley Cup roster. Hedman, Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Makar... I don't recall them playing through debilitating injury. So damn frustrating as a fan.
in two ways that Roslovic did not (and I'm not saying they need to play him - I was strongly against it before).
1. Forecheck, it's Rempe's skill (besides fighting which you don't need)
2. Net front presence. Bobrovsky can be knocked off his game (not physically) and he does this thing I noticed lately where he drops his stick. Hank talked about it during the Bruins series. Maybe CHP knows why but it happened last night at least once. Hank said something to do with stopping/corralling a loose puck with your blocker hand. In the Bruins series he lost his stick like 5 times one game.
There was not much traffic in front of Bobrovsky last night for the most part. Every game I see Rempe play he's camped out in front of the crease.
That's the kind of greasy play the Rangers will need if FLA stays disciplined and doesn't take penalties and Rangers can't capitalize on their chances.
it's all related though - you can't have greasy plays without the puck and you are less likely to draw penalties without the puck.
Most penalties occur when one player is trying to get the puck from another player. the other team commits penalties trying to get it, high sticks, hooks, trips, boarding, etc. almost all happen trying to separate the puck from someone. So, the Rangers need the puck more.
or makes going forward. Yes, his size and forechecking offer certain skills. But, other players in his place offer more overall skill, especially on the offensive end.
I like Rempe, but there is some misplaced inflating of his overall impact.
They were not beat by being out-muscled or roughed up.
I also think he is a liability on defense
If he breathes on a Panther it’s a penalty
I agree with this. For all his size, I don't think he has a big impact defensively. I agree that the way officials call the game with him in, he becomes a liability in his limited ice time. There is a real problem with the way the league is treating him based on nothing more than size.
RE: RE: Rempe if he plays won’t total more than 5 minutes
I also think he is a liability on defense
If he breathes on a Panther it’s a penalty
I agree with this. For all his size, I don't think he has a big impact defensively. I agree that the way officials call the game with him in, he becomes a liability in his limited ice time. There is a real problem with the way the league is treating him based on nothing more than size.
He screens the goalie, he also gets in and leans on opponents while on the forecheck? Who did that last night? No one. Yes, the Rangers were able to exploit the Panthers aggressive defense with odd man break outs. But that can't be the main way they create offense. They need puck possession in the opponents zone. This series is going to require them to get physical for puck possession and winning one on one battles.
For the knowledgeable hockey fans, in your opinions is this as dire as it looked last night?
I need a reason to believe.
To boost your optimism, see the link. Expected goals aren't final say on who played better, but I do like to look at them to just get a sense for who had the better chances.
Rangers had the better total xG 2.68 -2.14 and that is including the Panthers empty netter which is about a half goal boost. At 5v5 it was Rangers 1.71 to 1.54.
Rangers didn't generate a ton of quantity but they did still get quality looks and also kept Florida's opportunities down despite more offensive zone time Link - ( New Window )
I think Rempe is a better hockey player than people think, but we can't risk having him on the ice given the refs want to call everything on him.
BTW, I didn't think the refs called a great game last night, but how are they seemingly constantly in the way?
He's not IMO (better than people think), but I think he can be. Only is the playoffs the right time to get him the experience? He gets lost in the D-zone and on breakouts and the Rangers struggled with both of those with more experienced players and I don't think he is an upgrade in those areas. There is a reason when he's active the coaches don't play much or in the 3rd period of close games. it's not because they underestimate how good he is, it's because they don't trust him in those situations. Don't you agree?
To play devil's advocate, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, his strong points are things the Rangers also struggled with, so do his risks outweigh the potential positive? I don't know.
I think the penalty thing is a little overblown. he got like one or two penalties for being the size he is and one was probably completely unwarranted. I believe he only had 6 minor penalties (granted in limited min and he's probably averaging 60 PIMs per 60 MIN played, lol, but that's skewed due to the majors).
For the knowledgeable hockey fans, in your opinions is this as dire as it looked last night?
I need a reason to believe.
To boost your optimism, see the link. Expected goals aren't final say on who played better, but I do like to look at them to just get a sense for who had the better chances.
Rangers had the better total xG 2.68 -2.14 and that is including the Panthers empty netter which is about a half goal boost. At 5v5 it was Rangers 1.71 to 1.54.
Rangers didn't generate a ton of quantity but they did still get quality looks and also kept Florida's opportunities down despite more offensive zone time Link - ( New Window )
if the Panthers are going to be as satisfied to play a low-event game like they were last night, capitalizing on one's chances is what will be paramount.
In the case of last night, it was 2 missed breakaways, a couple of pipes, and a couple of shots that were just plain air-mailed.
On the other end, it was a bad read on the "real" goal and a Keystone Cops moment caused by Igor outside of the crease.
I think Rempe is a better hockey player than people think, but we can't risk having him on the ice given the refs want to call everything on him.
BTW, I didn't think the refs called a great game last night, but how are they seemingly constantly in the way?
He's not IMO (better than people think), but I think he can be. Only is the playoffs the right time to get him the experience? He gets lost in the D-zone and on breakouts and the Rangers struggled with both of those with more experienced players and I don't think he is an upgrade in those areas. There is a reason when he's active the coaches don't play much or in the 3rd period of close games. it's not because they underestimate how good he is, it's because they don't trust him in those situations. Don't you agree?
To play devil's advocate, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, his strong points are things the Rangers also struggled with, so do his risks outweigh the potential positive? I don't know.
I think the penalty thing is a little overblown. he got like one or two penalties for being the size he is and one was probably completely unwarranted. I believe he only had 6 minor penalties (granted in limited min and he's probably averaging 60 PIMs per 60 MIN played, lol, but that's skewed due to the majors).
I don't always trust coaches (Kakko's usage is very dumb, for example), but sort of agree. I hear you, but I think some make him out to be just a goon. He isn't John Scott.
I don't always trust coaches (Kakko's usage is very dumb, for example), but sort of agree. I hear you, but I think some make him out to be just a goon. He isn't John Scott.
Does seem like an unlikely future all-star game MVP.
I don't always trust coaches (Kakko's usage is very dumb, for example), but sort of agree. I hear you, but I think some make him out to be just a goon. He isn't John Scott.
Does seem like an unlikely future all-star game MVP.
To have our #1 defenseman healthy for ONE FRIGGIN PLAYOFF RUN. I swear, Rosival might have been the last one not to be hobbled by the end of Round 1.
Fox this year and the last, McDonagh and his broken foot.
It is my biggest worry with this team. A #1, all-scenarios defenseman is maybe the most important piece to a Stanley Cup roster. Hedman, Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Makar... I don't recall them playing through debilitating injury. So damn frustrating as a fan.
How about scoring more than 0 goals?
Duh doy. Adam Fox with two functional legs would presumably help the team do that.
i think youre downplaying the florida forecheck and it seems the rangers did too. they were not ready for it. florida is a big team too so they wore us down...
need to adjust friday
That home ice surely paid off tonight
ESPN was making it sound like Florida was dominant. I didn't see it that way. Maybe they had some edges in territory and shot volume, but we can win games like that. We could've won tonight.
This is two good teams. We'll see how it develops buy it looks pretty even to me. There will be some tossup games in a tossup series. We lost one, which is bad, but we are good and we can win.
Overall - Florida played a sound game, credit to them. Disappointing that the Rangers didn't come out with some more jump. On the other hand, it's somewhat encouraging that the played a "C" game and that it could easily have been 0-0 late in the third period.
Hopefully they have some great video sessions today. After playing 6 straight against a system as unique as Carolina, it was pretty clear that the rangers were tactically stuck in first gear trying to get through the neutral zone.
One thing that really frustrated the shit out of me -- Igor needs to stay between the fucking pipes. He was an absolute idiot with the puck on his stick last night. Not just on the Laf own-goal (which was 100% Igor's fault). Numerous times in the first and second periods as well.
I also wanted to lose my mind when Gustafsson was driving the net with the puck and very little resistance, and made a pass to a player (I think it was Kakko) further away from the goal than he was and at an awful angle. Shoot the damned puck!
Cuylle back to 3rd line
Rempe to 4th line
Sit Roslovic.
Yeah, that was dumb. All things considered I thought Kakko got a pretty good shot off, but he's not Ovechkin, and you're setting him up for an awfully low percentage shot at that angle.
I was there for both shutouts in the ECF and the Pittsburgh shut out in 2016.
I was there for both shutouts in the ECF and the Pittsburgh shut out in 2016.
Yes, the frequency of home shutout losses in the playoffs by this team is alarming and usually a staple of a series loss. Hopefully they can recover from this one. Luckily it's game 1 and not game 5 or 7.
Overall - Florida played a sound game, credit to them. Disappointing that the Rangers didn't come out with some more jump. On the other hand, it's somewhat encouraging that the played a "C" game and that it could easily have been 0-0 late in the third period.
Hopefully they have some great video sessions today. After playing 6 straight against a system as unique as Carolina, it was pretty clear that the rangers were tactically stuck in first gear trying to get through the neutral zone.
One thing that really frustrated the shit out of me -- Igor needs to stay between the fucking pipes. He was an absolute idiot with the puck on his stick last night. Not just on the Laf own-goal (which was 100% Igor's fault). Numerous times in the first and second periods as well.
I also wanted to lose my mind when Gustafsson was driving the net with the puck and very little resistance, and made a pass to a player (I think it was Kakko) further away from the goal than he was and at an awful angle. Shoot the damned puck!
Jones needs to be inserted, in this series especially. Rangers need a good puck moving defenseman. If it's Fox coming out because he's not 100% or Gus, because he isn't that good, they need someone who can carry it out.
Fox this year and the last, McDonagh and his broken foot.
It is my biggest worry with this team. A #1, all-scenarios defenseman is maybe the most important piece to a Stanley Cup roster. Hedman, Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Makar... I don't recall them playing through debilitating injury. So damn frustrating as a fan.
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I don't think I've seen a goal on home ice in the playoffs since Stepan's game winner against Washington in 2015.
I was there for both shutouts in the ECF and the Pittsburgh shut out in 2016.
Yes, the frequency of home shutout losses in the playoffs by this team is alarming and usually a staple of a series loss. Hopefully they can recover from this one. Luckily it's game 1 and not game 5 or 7.
They lost 3-0 in '97 to the Panthers and rolled off four straight.
Gretzky just needs to get a hat trick again.
What worries me though is our defensemen continue to really struggle dealing with a strong forecheck, puck retrievals, and zone exits. It's an absolute panic most of the time, just finding any way to flip it out of zone (and the one guy you'd trust to make plays with the puck is obviously injured). Impossible to generate consistent offense this way. We need speed through the neutral zone with possession. We're not a dump and chase team.
It can't just be about survival in the D zone at all times. Have to take some chances to exit with possession and know you've got Igor back there to clean up chances if you do turn it over. Florida is perfectly happy to play a "low event" type of game, pressure our defensemen, and pinch their D hard at the blue line to keep the cycle going. By the time we get it out we need to change the line. We need to find ways to open it up. And no, Rempe's five minutes a night is not the solution to what went on last night. Come on
This is a coinflip series. Losing the first coinflip sucks.
I appreciate the role he played this year, and he was a beast in the first ~third of the season, but I am ready for Jones to step into a full-time role.
Hopefully many weeks from now and after raising a trophy, the conversations around the defensemen broadly are going to be interesting.
What worries me though is our defensemen continue to really struggle dealing with a strong forecheck, puck retrievals, and zone exits. It's an absolute panic most of the time, just finding any way to flip it out of zone (and the one guy you'd trust to make plays with the puck is obviously injured). Impossible to generate consistent offense this way. We need speed through the neutral zone with possession. We're not a dump and chase team.
It can't just be about survival in the D zone at all times. Have to take some chances to exit with possession and know you've got Igor back there to clean up chances if you do turn it over. Florida is perfectly happy to play a "low event" type of game, pressure our defensemen, and pinch their D hard at the blue line to keep the cycle going. By the time we get it out we need to change the line. We need to find ways to open it up. And no, Rempe's five minutes a night is not the solution to what went on last night. Come on
Seems like they know they didn't get pucks behind the way Florida was doing to them. The intent seemed like it was there, but the rangers D-men were playing so damned timid at the blue line that it was easy for Florida to exit and get through the NZ. NYR were not playing as a unit of 5 AT ALL in the OZ. They were either too late or too timid all night.
This is a coinflip series. Losing the first coinflip sucks.
Speaking of said breakaways, can this team ever freaking score on one? I know during the regular season they had the lowest breakaway goal percentage in the league by a pretty substantial margin. I know it was Schneider and Cuylle on the breakaway chances, but this has been maddening all season long that they just never seem to score on breakaways.
They stayed out of the box (mostly).
They fore checked and controlled zone time
Bobrovsky came up huge on the Rangers high danger chances
And it took a softie and own goal for them to win.
I wouldn't worry.
Someone posted above Fox was playing with a separated shoulder. And I had been interested in that theory because I can't recall him shooting much since the game where the injury allegedly occurred. He let one rip on the PP in the 3rd. He doesn't have a separated shoulder IMO. No way he could do that if he did. It's a LBI IMO. He was a menace on the shot block though but that's really all he did.
I do think if this is all you get from Roslovic I agree with others, he could be watching from the press box. I did not think Chytil was invisible, like some others did, he and Panarin the only forwards who really carried the puck through the neutral zone which is how you need to beat FLA.
I have been against playing Rempe, I think the Panthers will expose him more than be intimidated by him, but if that's all you get from Roslovic then Rempe's positives outweigh his negatives. I doubt Lavy sits Roslovic though. But I could see the lineup change someone above proposed - Chytil on RW1 and Rempe on RW4 and Roslovic to the bench. And Roslovic wasn't the worst forward, so I don't mean to single him out, it's just he plays on a line with Mika and Kreider.
Bottom line if the Rangers scored on a fraction of their high danger chances they win the game. I wouldn't panic, but could see a lineup tweak.
Also, Sasha Barkov is so good. When they talk Selke award this is it, the cliched "200 foot game" so much like Bergeron, but Barkov is a better scorer/skill player. Bergeron a little more physical.
Game score for those interested.
His lack of movement was very noticeable
Just my opinion!!!!
I have been a big supporter and believer in Zac Jones all season.
It’s time to play him.
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Rangers ended up with far more quality chances, despite the low shot total. Florida really didn't generate much, and their two goals were weak. So on one hand, that's encouraging, bury a few of those quality chances and it's a different game.
What worries me though is our defensemen continue to really struggle dealing with a strong forecheck, puck retrievals, and zone exits. It's an absolute panic most of the time, just finding any way to flip it out of zone (and the one guy you'd trust to make plays with the puck is obviously injured). Impossible to generate consistent offense this way. We need speed through the neutral zone with possession. We're not a dump and chase team.
It can't just be about survival in the D zone at all times. Have to take some chances to exit with possession and know you've got Igor back there to clean up chances if you do turn it over. Florida is perfectly happy to play a "low event" type of game, pressure our defensemen, and pinch their D hard at the blue line to keep the cycle going. By the time we get it out we need to change the line. We need to find ways to open it up. And no, Rempe's five minutes a night is not the solution to what went on last night. Come on
Seems like they know they didn't get pucks behind the way Florida was doing to them. The intent seemed like it was there, but the rangers D-men were playing so damned timid at the blue line that it was easy for Florida to exit and get through the NZ. NYR were not playing as a unit of 5 AT ALL in the OZ. They were either too late or too timid all night.
Yeah agreed. Was far too easy for Florida to exit our zone. Thought we just looked unsure and skittish overall. A few good spurts of play, the start of the second period and the Wennberg chance in the third into the PP, were interrupted by silly mistakes that killed momentum. Roslovic high stick and Igor playing the puck before the own goal. Just a strange start to the series from our team, but some credit is due to Florida for sure.
Kreider did talk about the ice being pretty bad. There were uncharacteristic fumbles of the puck all night. Could have been a factor and that's tougher when you're trying to come back instead of playing a simple game with the lead like Florida was able to.
I was there for both shutouts in the ECF and the Pittsburgh shut out in 2016.
I went to 13 Rangers games this year, the Rangers won all 13.
Lol and oh yeah, home ice advantage.
Fox this year and the last, McDonagh and his broken foot.
It is my biggest worry with this team. A #1, all-scenarios defenseman is maybe the most important piece to a Stanley Cup roster. Hedman, Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Makar... I don't recall them playing through debilitating injury. So damn frustrating as a fan.
How about scoring more than 0 goals?
Giveaways - 2
Takeaways - 2
Rangers:
Giveaways - 12
Takeaways - 6
I don’t think there’s any way Zac Jones will be put in the lineup. However, I think there will be changes with the forwards.
Fox is killing them. God, that sucks. Scummy ass Caps and shitbag Nick Jensen.
Don't need Rempe, need our guys to move the fucking puck
Why lol
1. Forecheck, it's Rempe's skill (besides fighting which you don't need)
2. Net front presence. Bobrovsky can be knocked off his game (not physically) and he does this thing I noticed lately where he drops his stick. Hank talked about it during the Bruins series. Maybe CHP knows why but it happened last night at least once. Hank said something to do with stopping/corralling a loose puck with your blocker hand. In the Bruins series he lost his stick like 5 times one game.
There was not much traffic in front of Bobrovsky last night for the most part. Every game I see Rempe play he's camped out in front of the crease.
That's the kind of greasy play the Rangers will need if FLA stays disciplined and doesn't take penalties and Rangers can't capitalize on their chances.
it's all related though - you can't have greasy plays without the puck and you are less likely to draw penalties without the puck.
Most penalties occur when one player is trying to get the puck from another player. the other team commits penalties trying to get it, high sticks, hooks, trips, boarding, etc. almost all happen trying to separate the puck from someone. So, the Rangers need the puck more.
I like Rempe, but there is some misplaced inflating of his overall impact.
They were not beat by being out-muscled or roughed up.
If he breathes on a Panther it’s a penalty
If he breathes on a Panther it’s a penalty
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I also think he is a liability on defense
If he breathes on a Panther it’s a penalty
I agree with this. For all his size, I don't think he has a big impact defensively. I agree that the way officials call the game with him in, he becomes a liability in his limited ice time. There is a real problem with the way the league is treating him based on nothing more than size.
He screens the goalie, he also gets in and leans on opponents while on the forecheck? Who did that last night? No one. Yes, the Rangers were able to exploit the Panthers aggressive defense with odd man break outs. But that can't be the main way they create offense. They need puck possession in the opponents zone. This series is going to require them to get physical for puck possession and winning one on one battles.
I need a reason to believe.
I need a reason to believe.
To boost your optimism, see the link. Expected goals aren't final say on who played better, but I do like to look at them to just get a sense for who had the better chances.
Rangers had the better total xG 2.68 -2.14 and that is including the Panthers empty netter which is about a half goal boost. At 5v5 it was Rangers 1.71 to 1.54.
Rangers didn't generate a ton of quantity but they did still get quality looks and also kept Florida's opportunities down despite more offensive zone time
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BTW, I didn't think the refs called a great game last night, but how are they seemingly constantly in the way?
I expect us to look better and win tomorrow
BTW, I didn't think the refs called a great game last night, but how are they seemingly constantly in the way?
He's not IMO (better than people think), but I think he can be. Only is the playoffs the right time to get him the experience? He gets lost in the D-zone and on breakouts and the Rangers struggled with both of those with more experienced players and I don't think he is an upgrade in those areas. There is a reason when he's active the coaches don't play much or in the 3rd period of close games. it's not because they underestimate how good he is, it's because they don't trust him in those situations. Don't you agree?
To play devil's advocate, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, his strong points are things the Rangers also struggled with, so do his risks outweigh the potential positive? I don't know.
I think the penalty thing is a little overblown. he got like one or two penalties for being the size he is and one was probably completely unwarranted. I believe he only had 6 minor penalties (granted in limited min and he's probably averaging 60 PIMs per 60 MIN played, lol, but that's skewed due to the majors).
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For the knowledgeable hockey fans, in your opinions is this as dire as it looked last night?
I need a reason to believe.
To boost your optimism, see the link. Expected goals aren't final say on who played better, but I do like to look at them to just get a sense for who had the better chances.
Rangers had the better total xG 2.68 -2.14 and that is including the Panthers empty netter which is about a half goal boost. At 5v5 it was Rangers 1.71 to 1.54.
Rangers didn't generate a ton of quantity but they did still get quality looks and also kept Florida's opportunities down despite more offensive zone time Link - ( New Window )
thanks Kyle
In the case of last night, it was 2 missed breakaways, a couple of pipes, and a couple of shots that were just plain air-mailed.
On the other end, it was a bad read on the "real" goal and a Keystone Cops moment caused by Igor outside of the crease.
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I think Rempe is a better hockey player than people think, but we can't risk having him on the ice given the refs want to call everything on him.
BTW, I didn't think the refs called a great game last night, but how are they seemingly constantly in the way?
He's not IMO (better than people think), but I think he can be. Only is the playoffs the right time to get him the experience? He gets lost in the D-zone and on breakouts and the Rangers struggled with both of those with more experienced players and I don't think he is an upgrade in those areas. There is a reason when he's active the coaches don't play much or in the 3rd period of close games. it's not because they underestimate how good he is, it's because they don't trust him in those situations. Don't you agree?
To play devil's advocate, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, his strong points are things the Rangers also struggled with, so do his risks outweigh the potential positive? I don't know.
I think the penalty thing is a little overblown. he got like one or two penalties for being the size he is and one was probably completely unwarranted. I believe he only had 6 minor penalties (granted in limited min and he's probably averaging 60 PIMs per 60 MIN played, lol, but that's skewed due to the majors).
I don't always trust coaches (Kakko's usage is very dumb, for example), but sort of agree. I hear you, but I think some make him out to be just a goon. He isn't John Scott.
Does seem like an unlikely future all-star game MVP.
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I don't always trust coaches (Kakko's usage is very dumb, for example), but sort of agree. I hear you, but I think some make him out to be just a goon. He isn't John Scott.
Does seem like an unlikely future all-star game MVP.
LOL
He's raw.
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To have our #1 defenseman healthy for ONE FRIGGIN PLAYOFF RUN. I swear, Rosival might have been the last one not to be hobbled by the end of Round 1.
Fox this year and the last, McDonagh and his broken foot.
It is my biggest worry with this team. A #1, all-scenarios defenseman is maybe the most important piece to a Stanley Cup roster. Hedman, Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Makar... I don't recall them playing through debilitating injury. So damn frustrating as a fan.
How about scoring more than 0 goals?
Duh doy. Adam Fox with two functional legs would presumably help the team do that.