is a more well rounded team than FLA, but FLA plays far more physically.
FLA 2nd most hits in the playoffs and 5th in hits per game of all 16 playoff teams (47.15 hits per 60 - that is A LOT for 2 playoff rounds and 2nd most per game of all teams in the round of 8).
CAR was 16 out of 16 playoff teams with (24.57 hits per game).
But with that aggression also comes an insane amount of penalties.
FLA is 2nd in PIMS in the playoffs to BOS (BOS played two more games) and 2nd to NYI of all playoff teams in PIMS per game with 15:32 (FLA played 6 more games). That is on average almost 8 minor penalties per game.
And that will be a key to the series IMO. Can NYR maintain discipline and capitalize on the PP.
Shaun Morash from WFAN was talking last night on a Twitter Space or whatever the hell the thing is, but said that he has a source that says Fox is playing with a separated shoulder. The hit in Carolina screwed up his shoulder when he fell. We will find out after the season ends if it's true or not!
overestimate Rempe and underestimate everyone else.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
I think the winner wins the Cup. Great goaltending, balanced scoring and size on both teams. I think IGOR and Rangers Specials make the difference but it won't be easy. Very little room for error.
Agree that Miller-Schneider, Trouba-Gus were more effective pairings.
Also agree Rempe should be playing. This team is bigger and tougher than CAR. It's going to be a more physical series. A couple of shifts per period of Rempe-Goodrow-Vesey cycling low and banging around the Cats D is a good thing. And if it gets rough they will need him.
overestimate Rempe and underestimate everyone else.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Couldn't agree more. Play with a thick skin and don't lay down and take any bullshit, but I'll happily let them win the hit-counter competition and rack up penalty minutes along the way.
Florida is fast and aggressive, but from a system perspective their forecheck isn't as suffocating as Carolina.
When we've seen the rangers at their best, they've been excellent at suppressing quality shots and exiting the DZ with control. That's really where my focus is.
I'm hoping that Wennberg can keep Barkov in jail in these early home games with last change.
The lines are fine as they are. Chytil-Wennberg-Kakko on the third line and Cuylle-Goodrow-Vesey on the fourth. Great bottom-6.
Agree with Greg. Hate that they reunited the K'Andre-Trouba pairing, but alas.
Hopefully Cuylle is enough to deter Tkachuk or Bennett from starting any shit. But let them take stupid penalties, which they're known to do, and then we can capitalize on the PP.
I think it'll come down to who makes more difficult saves: Igor or Bob. I think both teams will pepper both with shots, but who will make the important saves when they need to be made. Panthers are not short on firepower as their top-6 is as good as anyone's.
overestimate Rempe and underestimate everyone else.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Couldn't agree more. Play with a thick skin and don't lay down and take any bullshit, but I'll happily let them win the hit-counter competition and rack up penalty minutes along the way.
Florida is fast and aggressive, but from a system perspective their forecheck isn't as suffocating as Carolina.
When we've seen the rangers at their best, they've been excellent at suppressing quality shots and exiting the DZ with control. That's really where my focus is.
I'm hoping that Wennberg can keep Barkov in jail in these early home games with last change.
Florida is a complete team and I am scared. I have not watched them much this year, maybe 5-10 times, but I always felt that their defense was good and the stats back it up at 2.4 goals per game.
They will run Chytil right back into concussion protocol. Panthers will play super aggressive and try to manhandle Rangers. Rempe needs to be out there. Not just to fight. Let him run a few of their guys . I don't think trying to finesse Panthers will work .
but Chytil needs to be in the lineup. This is not the Rangers from 3 years ago where they had no one in the lineup who can match other teams' physicality. The Rangers are one of the most physical teams in the league, even without Rempe. Chytil provides so much in the way of speed, shooting mentality, stickhandling, driving D back, and he's a quietly solid defensive forward. The 3rd line has been generating a lot in the way of offensive zone possession, now add one of the Rangers' best scoring forwards to the line, and that is going to be a crucial component to winning this series.
I'm picking Rangers in 6, same pick I made in the Carolina series, but this one I'm not quite as confident about. Florida is a nasty bunch of SOB's, who are also incredibly talented, deep, and have a goalie who can absolutely steal a series if he needs to. Key questions for the Rangers' success are: Can the Rangers' compromised D pairs keep up with the Florida forwards? Can they continue to dominate the special teams battle? Can they take advantage of Florida's D? Can they withstand Florida's physicality?
But as much as I love Rempe's physicality, there is no way he should play over a healthy Chytil .
Chytil is obviously far superior offensively, but i think many here are missing that Rempe is just not trusted on the defensive side by Lavi. So you are getting maybe 4 to 5 minutes of Rempe for two periods and then he sits the entire third.
I am no hockey expert, but it is obvious that the staff believes he is a defensive liability.
The Rangers aren't going to sweep this series against Florida. They will lose a game. Can we not declare the series is over? I get being reactionary, but let's keep the clown takes to yourself.
Both teams have issues playing against the other teams dominant style. However is able to overcome that will win.
I am happy that they're here. Not many expected an ECF appearance after PL was hired. He's done an outstanding job in my opinion.
Let's Go Rangers...you've gotten this far, might as well go all the way.
The fact that Laviolette is not a Jack Adams finalist is truly unbelievable to me. I think a lot of people doubted the Rangers' core, the development of the young forwards, and the team in general after the Devils series. I was among them, starting to think they can never win a Cup with this core. Then you watch these playoffs, aside from the poor game 5 against Carolina (which was likely due to the flu kicking around the team), every player on this team has been engaged, working their asses off for every inch of ice. This is not just a testament to Laviolette, but to the whole coaching staff.
overestimate Rempe and underestimate everyone else.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Couldn't agree more. Play with a thick skin and don't lay down and take any bullshit, but I'll happily let them win the hit-counter competition and rack up penalty minutes along the way.
Florida is fast and aggressive, but from a system perspective their forecheck isn't as suffocating as Carolina.
When we've seen the rangers at their best, they've been excellent at suppressing quality shots and exiting the DZ with control. That's really where my focus is.
I'm hoping that Wennberg can keep Barkov in jail in these early home games with last change.
Florida is a complete team and I am scared. I have not watched them much this year, maybe 5-10 times, but I always felt that their defense was good and the stats back it up at 2.4 goals per game.
No doubt that Florida is really good. I hope to live a really long time and see a lot of Rangers playoff hockey, and I don't ever expect to see them play in an ECF where the opponent isn't a little scary. The Panthers are here for a reason.
I feel better about this series than the last, for the sole reason that playing against Carolina bothers me a lot more than it bothers most. I think their style of play is a terror to deal with, even if they are perennially light on the offensive talent to bury the chances they create.
there is no way in hell Chytil shouldn't be playing
unless he can't play. All indications are he can play. Thus he should play. Rempe is a fan favorite who takes the body. Great. He may or may not develop into a legit starting forward one day, but as of now he's not a legit starting forward. He's a guy you have fun with in January. Not now, unless he's forced into the lineup thx to injuries or the 1-100 chance the Rangers can't defend themselves, which I don't buy at all.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Vince is reporting that Chytil is all but certain to play
The Rangers aren't going to sweep this series against Florida. They will lose a game. Can we not declare the series is over? I get being reactionary, but let's keep the clown takes to yourself.
Rangers in 6! LFG.
Yes, I have never seen such vitriol over a team that won the President's Trophy and is 8-2 in the playoffs. The narrative around the Rangers this year truly confuses me, and the game 6 game thread is truly hilarious to read lol
He was able to do a little more the last game, better on the puck but he is still off on some of his outlets and is not aggressive with his shot. We get him back to joining the rush we will be more dynamic.
The Rangers aren't going to sweep this series against Florida. They will lose a game. Can we not declare the series is over? I get being reactionary, but let's keep the clown takes to yourself.
Rangers in 6! LFG.
Yes, I have never seen such vitriol over a team that won the President's Trophy and is 8-2 in the playoffs. The narrative around the Rangers this year truly confuses me, and the game 6 game thread is truly hilarious to read lol
Tell me about it. I think the Game 4 thread is where people were talking about the 04 Yankees - Red Sox series.
There's a difference between "Hey, Trouba is an idiot who has no business turning a puck over there" to "This series is over, Florida is winning it" if Florida goes up 1-0 in the first period tonight.
RE: still not thrilled at Miller and Trouba being paired again
is to just stay off of game threads during games. My experience is that they simply do not bring me satisfaction in 90%+ of situations.
Enjoy the game, and you'll have plenty of time in the ensuing hours to carry on.
This goes for all sports.
It's not a slight to anyone. I think human nature is simply that the "need" felt to say something is 100x stronger when that something is negative, and so the content of the threads in real time just snowballs on itself and creates a caricature.
RE: there is no way in hell Chytil shouldn't be playing
unless he can't play. All indications are he can play. Thus he should play. Rempe is a fan favorite who takes the body. Great. He may or may not develop into a legit starting forward one day, but as of now he's not a legit starting forward. He's a guy you have fun with in January. Not now, unless he's forced into the lineup thx to injuries or the 1-100 chance the Rangers can't defend themselves, which I don't buy at all.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Chytil could center the 3rd line with KK and Cuylle. Put Rempe, Goodrow, Vesey as the 4th line and scratch Wennberg.
Chytil plays because they really could use his offensive production
He was third on the team in 5v5 goals last year. The team will benefit from a boost to the third line - relying on the top two lines for almost all of the scoring is tough to sustain.
Play smart, don't take the bait, rack up the power plays and make them pay for those penalties.
They aren't super exciting to watch but a damned good team. I picked Dallas vs Florida at the beginning but I think the Rangers can take them if they get that great goaltending. Should be a fun series!
STs as noted so important. But going back to a prior pj comment months ago, the team that wins the 5 on 5 likely wins the Series and the Cup. Rangers have struggled there much of the season.
Per Greg--agree that Miller/Schneider were a more effective pair--think broader comment on the back line is positioning generally, especially under forechecking pressure. CAR made each pair look completely lost, stuck to the walls when the puck was heading to the slot or the circles. They have to do a better job of covering, their man and for each other, and all the Fs have to help. Miller and Schneider are best skaters (with Fox hobbled): I worry the others will give up too much ice in effort not to let Panther Fs jetski by them. Lindgren is Lindgren, glue, has to stay healthy. I'm stuck with worry about Filip.
FLA takes so many penalties if the NYR can capitalize on the PP they can lose the 5v5 GF battle and win the series.
BOS outscored FLA at 5v5 (12/11) without counting ENG goals and lost the series.
In the playoffs so far BOS is the only team to have more PIMS than FLA. BOS had taken almost 5 penalties per game in the playoffs.
So, going back 25 years or whatever it is only one team has won the SC and not been the 5v5 goal leader (one of the Lightning teams), so it's a good indicator, but series by series circumstances can influence the outcome.
Rangers need discipline and to be effective when on the PP. If they do, IMO they win the series.
also, I cringe when I see comments about these Rangers being a "finesse" team. The Rangers have one player who you could call a finesse player (Panarin) and he dished out one of the hardest hits in the playoffs by a Ranger on Oshie. This Rangers team is not a finesse team even if you wish players like Kreider and Mika would hit more, but where they will win this series for the Rangers is on the PP and the odd-man rushes. FLA D is porous. they give up a ton of odd-man rushes opting for offense from players like Ekblad and Montour.
RE: RE: there is no way in hell Chytil shouldn't be playing
unless he can't play. All indications are he can play. Thus he should play. Rempe is a fan favorite who takes the body. Great. He may or may not develop into a legit starting forward one day, but as of now he's not a legit starting forward. He's a guy you have fun with in January. Not now, unless he's forced into the lineup thx to injuries or the 1-100 chance the Rangers can't defend themselves, which I don't buy at all.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Chytil could center the 3rd line with KK and Cuylle. Put Rempe, Goodrow, Vesey as the 4th line and scratch Wennberg.
I'm not scratching Wennberg, he is valuable in the D zone and makes a lot of subtle plays on and off the puck to keep the puck in the offensive zone, and in the neutral zone. He has been on the ice for one goal against in 10 playoff games, and the line with him, Cuylle and Kakko has generated good offensive zone time. Adding Chytil to that line could be a good spark, but if I'm looking at the best 12 forwards on the team, Wennberg is among them. I get why people want Rempe in, and I wish there was a way to make that happen too, but not at the expense of a player who can log 12+ minutes and potentially shut down the Barkov line with home ice matchups.
Well that would be novel, if not a first. Good of you to call yourself out. (:
And I take your point, but:
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FLA takes so many penalties if the NYR can capitalize on the PP they can lose the 5v5 GF battle and win the series.
BOS outscored FLA at 5v5 (12/11) without counting ENG goals and lost the series.
Well, as dicey as FLA ostensibly is taking penalties, on STs vs FLA shows it can go very sour; BOS went
1 goal scored on 16PP
6 goals allow on 28PK
if FLA is vulnerable on STs and bec of penalties taken, it did not show vs Bruins.
One area where Rangers--and we all wish you good luck with your long shot bet--have to improve: they are good on the PK and have some SH goals, but they've blown a bunch of SH breakaways. Bob won't likely be worse than Andersen.
is to just stay off of game threads during games. My experience is that they simply do not bring me satisfaction in 90%+ of situations.
Enjoy the game, and you'll have plenty of time in the ensuing hours to carry on.
This goes for all sports.
It's not a slight to anyone. I think human nature is simply that the "need" felt to say something is 100x stronger when that something is negative, and so the content of the threads in real time just snowballs on itself and creates a caricature.
If I posted during game 6 I would have been fired from Rangers threads all time. Instead I just sat on my couch scowling and texting friends how shitty a game 7 was going to be. We're all human, or at least most of us are human.
I know I didn't turn the game off unlike some people I know. Shame on them. They missed a doozy.
I learn a lot more about hockey in the game threads than I learn about any other sport in any other game threads around here. That's the best compliment I can give to the Rangers game threads. They are the best game threads going even if they get a little wonky and miserable.
But as much as I love Rempe's physicality, there is no way he should play over a healthy Chytil .
Chytil is obviously far superior offensively, but i think many here are missing that Rempe is just not trusted on the defensive side by Lavi. So you are getting maybe 4 to 5 minutes of Rempe for two periods and then he sits the entire third.
I am no hockey expert, but it is obvious that the staff believes he is a defensive liability.
Exactly, it shortens the bench. MAYBE you play him game 1 -- but he's clearly not going to play any games in Florida, and barely play late in the series at MSG.
It's a no brainer to play Chytil over him, I don't even think there's really a debate.
RE: RE: there is no way in hell Chytil shouldn't be playing
unless he can't play. All indications are he can play. Thus he should play. Rempe is a fan favorite who takes the body. Great. He may or may not develop into a legit starting forward one day, but as of now he's not a legit starting forward. He's a guy you have fun with in January. Not now, unless he's forced into the lineup thx to injuries or the 1-100 chance the Rangers can't defend themselves, which I don't buy at all.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Chytil could center the 3rd line with KK and Cuylle. Put Rempe, Goodrow, Vesey as the 4th line and scratch Wennberg.
Rempe gets 6 minutes of ice time when he plays. Wennberg, while he doesn't shoot, centers a line that is great with posession and has been very good defensively.
KK + Chytil have familiarity, I think Chytil makes KK better. But Vesey has a bit of offense, and Cuylle does a lot of dirty work and is a big body. Goodrow is better at wing than C as well.
putting Rempe in for Wenny shortens the bench. He's going to blossom into a solid bottom 6 F with a defined role IMO, but he isn't there yet.
Laviolette straight up doesn't play him at the end of games. Why are we wasting a skater on that? He isn't the only guy who can throw his body around on this team -- IMO, it's way more importan to increase the offensive potential + puck possession than marginally increasing our toughness (not that Rempe isn't a big shot in the arm for toughness, but he plays like 6 minutes, as mentioned before).
Lastly, people seem to forget that the refs will call ANYTHING on Rempe. Can't take those risks at this point.
overestimate Rempe and underestimate everyone else.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Agree 100%. I happen to like Rempe because of the energy he seems to bring to the team and from the home fans. But, the reality is Chytil is a MUCH better player, as long as he's healthy. Also, Rempe's size makes him a target not just for opposing players, but the officials.
If Chytil is still not 100%, then sure.
As for the style of play, I agree and forgot who I hear talking about it on the radio. but they spent a whole segment saying just that. The thing with Florida is they are not just physical during play, but kind of dirty at/after the whistle. They have guys who will give the extra shove, or rake a glove in the face. But, it is often the retaliation that gets caught. The suggestion was not to give in to Florida and do the talking during play.
The Rangers aren't going to sweep this series against Florida. They will lose a game. Can we not declare the series is over? I get being reactionary, but let's keep the clown takes to yourself.
Rangers in 6! LFG.
Not one person has said anything of the sort. But thanks for saying it if it makes you feel better.
We have the better goalie. As mentioned. Don't get pushed around but play your game. Panthers want to take penalties the PP will make the the pay 💰
Kreider - Zib - Roslovic
Panarin - Trocheck - Laf
Chytil - Wennberg - Kakko
Cuylle - Goodrow - Vesey
Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Gus - Schneider
I'm hoping some rest rejuvenates Fox. They will need much more from him than he brought to the Carolina series if they're gonna move on.
FLA 2nd most hits in the playoffs and 5th in hits per game of all 16 playoff teams (47.15 hits per 60 - that is A LOT for 2 playoff rounds and 2nd most per game of all teams in the round of 8).
CAR was 16 out of 16 playoff teams with (24.57 hits per game).
But with that aggression also comes an insane amount of penalties.
FLA is 2nd in PIMS in the playoffs to BOS (BOS played two more games) and 2nd to NYI of all playoff teams in PIMS per game with 15:32 (FLA played 6 more games). That is on average almost 8 minor penalties per game.
And that will be a key to the series IMO. Can NYR maintain discipline and capitalize on the PP.
Florida isn't coming to New York to take in a Broadway show. These guys are coming for a war. Set Rempe out there to let them know they're ready.
I'm not totally against it for Game 1. Chytil needs to expect that this Florida team might just go after him with some hard hits.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Agree that Miller-Schneider, Trouba-Gus were more effective pairings.
Also agree Rempe should be playing. This team is bigger and tougher than CAR. It's going to be a more physical series. A couple of shifts per period of Rempe-Goodrow-Vesey cycling low and banging around the Cats D is a good thing. And if it gets rough they will need him.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Couldn't agree more. Play with a thick skin and don't lay down and take any bullshit, but I'll happily let them win the hit-counter competition and rack up penalty minutes along the way.
Florida is fast and aggressive, but from a system perspective their forecheck isn't as suffocating as Carolina.
When we've seen the rangers at their best, they've been excellent at suppressing quality shots and exiting the DZ with control. That's really where my focus is.
I'm hoping that Wennberg can keep Barkov in jail in these early home games with last change.
Agree with Greg. Hate that they reunited the K'Andre-Trouba pairing, but alas.
Hopefully Cuylle is enough to deter Tkachuk or Bennett from starting any shit. But let them take stupid penalties, which they're known to do, and then we can capitalize on the PP.
I think it'll come down to who makes more difficult saves: Igor or Bob. I think both teams will pepper both with shots, but who will make the important saves when they need to be made. Panthers are not short on firepower as their top-6 is as good as anyone's.
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overestimate Rempe and underestimate everyone else.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Couldn't agree more. Play with a thick skin and don't lay down and take any bullshit, but I'll happily let them win the hit-counter competition and rack up penalty minutes along the way.
Florida is fast and aggressive, but from a system perspective their forecheck isn't as suffocating as Carolina.
When we've seen the rangers at their best, they've been excellent at suppressing quality shots and exiting the DZ with control. That's really where my focus is.
I'm hoping that Wennberg can keep Barkov in jail in these early home games with last change.
Florida is a complete team and I am scared. I have not watched them much this year, maybe 5-10 times, but I always felt that their defense was good and the stats back it up at 2.4 goals per game.
I'm picking Rangers in 6, same pick I made in the Carolina series, but this one I'm not quite as confident about. Florida is a nasty bunch of SOB's, who are also incredibly talented, deep, and have a goalie who can absolutely steal a series if he needs to. Key questions for the Rangers' success are: Can the Rangers' compromised D pairs keep up with the Florida forwards? Can they continue to dominate the special teams battle? Can they take advantage of Florida's D? Can they withstand Florida's physicality?
Chytil is obviously far superior offensively, but i think many here are missing that Rempe is just not trusted on the defensive side by Lavi. So you are getting maybe 4 to 5 minutes of Rempe for two periods and then he sits the entire third.
I am no hockey expert, but it is obvious that the staff believes he is a defensive liability.
I am happy that they're here. Not many expected an ECF appearance after PL was hired. He's done an outstanding job in my opinion.
Let's Go Rangers...you've gotten this far, might as well go all the way.
Rangers in 6! LFG.
I am happy that they're here. Not many expected an ECF appearance after PL was hired. He's done an outstanding job in my opinion.
Let's Go Rangers...you've gotten this far, might as well go all the way.
The fact that Laviolette is not a Jack Adams finalist is truly unbelievable to me. I think a lot of people doubted the Rangers' core, the development of the young forwards, and the team in general after the Devils series. I was among them, starting to think they can never win a Cup with this core. Then you watch these playoffs, aside from the poor game 5 against Carolina (which was likely due to the flu kicking around the team), every player on this team has been engaged, working their asses off for every inch of ice. This is not just a testament to Laviolette, but to the whole coaching staff.
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overestimate Rempe and underestimate everyone else.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Couldn't agree more. Play with a thick skin and don't lay down and take any bullshit, but I'll happily let them win the hit-counter competition and rack up penalty minutes along the way.
Florida is fast and aggressive, but from a system perspective their forecheck isn't as suffocating as Carolina.
When we've seen the rangers at their best, they've been excellent at suppressing quality shots and exiting the DZ with control. That's really where my focus is.
I'm hoping that Wennberg can keep Barkov in jail in these early home games with last change.
Florida is a complete team and I am scared. I have not watched them much this year, maybe 5-10 times, but I always felt that their defense was good and the stats back it up at 2.4 goals per game.
No doubt that Florida is really good. I hope to live a really long time and see a lot of Rangers playoff hockey, and I don't ever expect to see them play in an ECF where the opponent isn't a little scary. The Panthers are here for a reason.
I feel better about this series than the last, for the sole reason that playing against Carolina bothers me a lot more than it bothers most. I think their style of play is a terror to deal with, even if they are perennially light on the offensive talent to bury the chances they create.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Rangers in 6! LFG.
Yes, I have never seen such vitriol over a team that won the President's Trophy and is 8-2 in the playoffs. The narrative around the Rangers this year truly confuses me, and the game 6 game thread is truly hilarious to read lol
Chytl plays if he can.
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The Rangers aren't going to sweep this series against Florida. They will lose a game. Can we not declare the series is over? I get being reactionary, but let's keep the clown takes to yourself.
Rangers in 6! LFG.
Yes, I have never seen such vitriol over a team that won the President's Trophy and is 8-2 in the playoffs. The narrative around the Rangers this year truly confuses me, and the game 6 game thread is truly hilarious to read lol
Tell me about it. I think the Game 4 thread is where people were talking about the 04 Yankees - Red Sox series.
There's a difference between "Hey, Trouba is an idiot who has no business turning a puck over there" to "This series is over, Florida is winning it" if Florida goes up 1-0 in the first period tonight.
I'm hoping some rest rejuvenates Fox. They will need much more from him than he brought to the Carolina series if they're gonna move on.
When you consider the epic fuck ups we saw from Troubs & Gustafsson in the last game, maybe the plan is to limit the damage by separating them.
That’s all I can come up with.
Enjoy the game, and you'll have plenty of time in the ensuing hours to carry on.
This goes for all sports.
It's not a slight to anyone. I think human nature is simply that the "need" felt to say something is 100x stronger when that something is negative, and so the content of the threads in real time just snowballs on itself and creates a caricature.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Chytil could center the 3rd line with KK and Cuylle. Put Rempe, Goodrow, Vesey as the 4th line and scratch Wennberg.
Play smart, don't take the bait, rack up the power plays and make them pay for those penalties.
Per Greg--agree that Miller/Schneider were a more effective pair--think broader comment on the back line is positioning generally, especially under forechecking pressure. CAR made each pair look completely lost, stuck to the walls when the puck was heading to the slot or the circles. They have to do a better job of covering, their man and for each other, and all the Fs have to help. Miller and Schneider are best skaters (with Fox hobbled): I worry the others will give up too much ice in effort not to let Panther Fs jetski by them. Lindgren is Lindgren, glue, has to stay healthy. I'm stuck with worry about Filip.
Igor has to be Igor. Stand by your man!!
FLA takes so many penalties if the NYR can capitalize on the PP they can lose the 5v5 GF battle and win the series.
BOS outscored FLA at 5v5 (12/11) without counting ENG goals and lost the series.
In the playoffs so far BOS is the only team to have more PIMS than FLA. BOS had taken almost 5 penalties per game in the playoffs.
So, going back 25 years or whatever it is only one team has won the SC and not been the 5v5 goal leader (one of the Lightning teams), so it's a good indicator, but series by series circumstances can influence the outcome.
Rangers need discipline and to be effective when on the PP. If they do, IMO they win the series.
also, I cringe when I see comments about these Rangers being a "finesse" team. The Rangers have one player who you could call a finesse player (Panarin) and he dished out one of the hardest hits in the playoffs by a Ranger on Oshie. This Rangers team is not a finesse team even if you wish players like Kreider and Mika would hit more, but where they will win this series for the Rangers is on the PP and the odd-man rushes. FLA D is porous. they give up a ton of odd-man rushes opting for offense from players like Ekblad and Montour.
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unless he can't play. All indications are he can play. Thus he should play. Rempe is a fan favorite who takes the body. Great. He may or may not develop into a legit starting forward one day, but as of now he's not a legit starting forward. He's a guy you have fun with in January. Not now, unless he's forced into the lineup thx to injuries or the 1-100 chance the Rangers can't defend themselves, which I don't buy at all.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Chytil could center the 3rd line with KK and Cuylle. Put Rempe, Goodrow, Vesey as the 4th line and scratch Wennberg.
I'm not scratching Wennberg, he is valuable in the D zone and makes a lot of subtle plays on and off the puck to keep the puck in the offensive zone, and in the neutral zone. He has been on the ice for one goal against in 10 playoff games, and the line with him, Cuylle and Kakko has generated good offensive zone time. Adding Chytil to that line could be a good spark, but if I'm looking at the best 12 forwards on the team, Wennberg is among them. I get why people want Rempe in, and I wish there was a way to make that happen too, but not at the expense of a player who can log 12+ minutes and potentially shut down the Barkov line with home ice matchups.
And I take your point, but:
BOS outscored FLA at 5v5 (12/11) without counting ENG goals and lost the series.
Well, as dicey as FLA ostensibly is taking penalties, on STs vs FLA shows it can go very sour; BOS went
1 goal scored on 16PP
6 goals allow on 28PK
if FLA is vulnerable on STs and bec of penalties taken, it did not show vs Bruins.
One area where Rangers--and we all wish you good luck with your long shot bet--have to improve: they are good on the PK and have some SH goals, but they've blown a bunch of SH breakaways. Bob won't likely be worse than Andersen.
The Rangers PP is significantly better than the Bruins, and they faced the #1 PK in the league last round.
The Rangers PP is significantly better than the Bruins, and they faced the #1 PK in the league last round.
Exactly, the Bruins PP was mediocre in the regular season. NYR had the 3rd best PP in the league in the regular season.
You always want to win 5v5, but in this series win specials and you may win the series.
The Rangers PP is significantly better than the Bruins, and they faced the #1 PK in the league last round.
It's damn good, no question. All I'm saying is that Rangers need to maximize margins when/where they can find them.
All that said, each Series is different, plays out differently.
Enjoy the game, and you'll have plenty of time in the ensuing hours to carry on.
This goes for all sports.
It's not a slight to anyone. I think human nature is simply that the "need" felt to say something is 100x stronger when that something is negative, and so the content of the threads in real time just snowballs on itself and creates a caricature.
If I posted during game 6 I would have been fired from Rangers threads all time. Instead I just sat on my couch scowling and texting friends how shitty a game 7 was going to be. We're all human, or at least most of us are human.
I know I didn't turn the game off unlike some people I know. Shame on them. They missed a doozy.
I learn a lot more about hockey in the game threads than I learn about any other sport in any other game threads around here. That's the best compliment I can give to the Rangers game threads. They are the best game threads going even if they get a little wonky and miserable.
Chytil is obviously far superior offensively, but i think many here are missing that Rempe is just not trusted on the defensive side by Lavi. So you are getting maybe 4 to 5 minutes of Rempe for two periods and then he sits the entire third.
I am no hockey expert, but it is obvious that the staff believes he is a defensive liability.
It's a no brainer to play Chytil over him, I don't even think there's really a debate.
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unless he can't play. All indications are he can play. Thus he should play. Rempe is a fan favorite who takes the body. Great. He may or may not develop into a legit starting forward one day, but as of now he's not a legit starting forward. He's a guy you have fun with in January. Not now, unless he's forced into the lineup thx to injuries or the 1-100 chance the Rangers can't defend themselves, which I don't buy at all.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Chytil could center the 3rd line with KK and Cuylle. Put Rempe, Goodrow, Vesey as the 4th line and scratch Wennberg.
KK + Chytil have familiarity, I think Chytil makes KK better. But Vesey has a bit of offense, and Cuylle does a lot of dirty work and is a big body. Goodrow is better at wing than C as well.
I'd going either:
Vesey - Chytil - KK
Cuylle - Wenny - Goodrow
or
Cuylle - Chytil - KK
Vesey - Wenny - Goodrow
putting Rempe in for Wenny shortens the bench. He's going to blossom into a solid bottom 6 F with a defined role IMO, but he isn't there yet.
Laviolette straight up doesn't play him at the end of games. Why are we wasting a skater on that? He isn't the only guy who can throw his body around on this team -- IMO, it's way more importan to increase the offensive potential + puck possession than marginally increasing our toughness (not that Rempe isn't a big shot in the arm for toughness, but he plays like 6 minutes, as mentioned before).
Lastly, people seem to forget that the refs will call ANYTHING on Rempe. Can't take those risks at this point.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
If Chytil is still not 100%, then sure.
As for the style of play, I agree and forgot who I hear talking about it on the radio. but they spent a whole segment saying just that. The thing with Florida is they are not just physical during play, but kind of dirty at/after the whistle. They have guys who will give the extra shove, or rake a glove in the face. But, it is often the retaliation that gets caught. The suggestion was not to give in to Florida and do the talking during play.
Rangers in 6! LFG.
Not one person has said anything of the sort. But thanks for saying it if it makes you feel better.
We have the better goalie. As mentioned. Don't get pushed around but play your game. Panthers want to take penalties the PP will make the the pay 💰
Forget a 4 game sweep, destroy them so badly for 3 games they just forfeit game 4 in shame
Enough talk, drop the fucking puck, let’s go Rangers!!