Im looking forward to seeing how Daboll will run his training camp this season. Last year many of the beat reporters commented on how relaxed training camp was. One reporter even commented that it had a country club feel to it. This led to the Giants being woefully underprepared Week 1 against Dallas and getting blown out 40-0 on National TV.
I want to see if Daboll will learn from his mistakes and run a tougher camp this season. Successful coaches run a hard training camp. Look at the Chiefs, Andy Reid plays Superstar QB Patrick Mahomes in the preseason and runs a tough camp. Same for Belichick. I’m just interested if Daboll will make adjustments and correct things that didn’t work last season.
I have no idea
He's coaching for his job, fat boy better get it right!
I think and expect a better start this time around.
When it comes to the Giants O-line, Daboll should circumvent the CBA and run their asses into the ground. (:-)
And might be good if the lineman get a (one) position and get their reps. Alot of experimentation with different lineups last summer.
The Giants (and the NFL) haven't run tough camps since the CBA was signed. No more Two a days, the time you have for practice is limited, and safety precautions don't allow for much hitting. The only way to get around that is cheating...and some teams are better at that than others.
As far as the Offensive Line goes, Daboll and the coaches need to identify the starters early, and have them practice as much as possible as a group. I would make them play much longer as a group in pre-season games than they've been doing the last few years as well.
There's no substitute for game play when you're working on timing, picking up stunts, etc. I understand they want flexibility (subs for injuries), but that can be worked out in camp. The OL needs as much game time as they can get.
Injuries.....
BYE!
Why was that optimism so high, and what indications and observations from training camp/preseason this year will affect the overall BBI sentiment?
Starters barely saw the field. Daniel Jones played for exactly one drive.
Daboll and his staff acted like the single playoff victory amounted to a dynasty situation in which all of our players and all of our plays had to kept under wraps so we could surprise the enemy in September
That didn’t age well
That's going to be hell on the player's bodies. If they're gonna do it, I asy, expand the roster number to 60.
Sure the players stamina and fitness is important but blaming that 40 point loss game one and not being prepared is bullshit. How about the players not being prepared and as a team just being out played. We got our asses kicked the next time we played Dallas last season too. That wasn’t week one.
Not saying Daboll can’t change things up some but fuck when are our players going to step up some.
Jones and Mahomes both played Pre-season Week 2. Jones played for one 10-play TD drive. Mahomes played for two short possessions ending in punts, and then a 10-play TD drive.
If the Chiefs had scored the TD on the first possession, that probably would have been it for Mahomes and he would have played exactly the same as Jones.
Mahomes also played one possession in Week 1, when Giants had their joint practices with the Lions, which teams generally use as a substitute for the starters playing in the game itself.
Neither Dak Prescott nor Jalen Hurts played a single snap in the pre-season games; that has become far from unusual.
A bad team will have bad results, which can always be blamed on bad preparation, but who really knows? Bad players make a coach look stupid and good players make a coach look smart.
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The CBA limits the amount of practices teams have but it doesn’t limit how coaches allocate their time with conditioning and time spent on all 3 phases of the team offense, defense, and special teams. The Head Coach also dictates how much time starters play in the Preseason. I mean Patrick Mahomes can play preseason games but Daniel fucking Jones can’t.
Jones and Mahomes both played Pre-season Week 2. Jones played for one 10-play TD drive. Mahomes played for two short possessions ending in punts, and then a 10-play TD drive.
If the Chiefs had scored the TD on the first possession, that probably would have been it for Mahomes and he would have played exactly the same as Jones.
Mahomes also played one possession in Week 1, when Giants had their joint practices with the Lions, which teams generally use as a substitute for the starters playing in the game itself.
Neither Dak Prescott nor Jalen Hurts played a single snap in the pre-season games; that has become far from unusual.
A bad team will have bad results, which can always be blamed on bad preparation, but who really knows? Bad players make a coach look stupid and good players make a coach look smart.
Hard to argue with that.
No position group is really set. The o-line has a lot of new pieces and needs to jell. Only 1 position is settled among the 5 defensive back starters. The d-line has only 2 returning starters. No RB had significant playing time for the Giants last season.
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The CBA limits the amount of practices teams have but it doesn’t limit how coaches allocate their time with conditioning and time spent on all 3 phases of the team offense, defense, and special teams. The Head Coach also dictates how much time starters play in the Preseason. I mean Patrick Mahomes can play preseason games but Daniel fucking Jones can’t.
Jones and Mahomes both played Pre-season Week 2. Jones played for one 10-play TD drive. Mahomes played for two short possessions ending in punts, and then a 10-play TD drive.
If the Chiefs had scored the TD on the first possession, that probably would have been it for Mahomes and he would have played exactly the same as Jones.
Mahomes also played one possession in Week 1, when Giants had their joint practices with the Lions, which teams generally use as a substitute for the starters playing in the game itself.
Neither Dak Prescott nor Jalen Hurts played a single snap in the pre-season games; that has become far from unusual.
A bad team will have bad results, which can always be blamed on bad preparation, but who really knows? Bad players make a coach look stupid and good players make a coach look smart.
Mahomes in the Preseason
2018 - 3 Games 3 Starts 31/43 367 yards 2 TDs 1 INT
2019- 3 Games 3 Starts 14/19 203 yards 1 TD 0 INT
2020- COVID
2021- 3 Games 3 Starts 19/29 199 yards 2 TDs 1 INT
2022 - 3 Games 2 Starts 18/26 222 Yards 3 TDs 0 INT
2023 - 2 Games 2 Starts 12/17 120 Yards 1 TD 0 INT
A Hall of Fame QB plays in the Preseason because Reid runs a tough camp. But Hurts and Prescott who haven’t won shit can’t play in the Preseason. Jones can a series so that makes it better.
Mahomes in the Preseason
2018 - 3 Games 3 Starts 31/43 367 yards 2 TDs 1 INT
2019- 3 Games 3 Starts 14/19 203 yards 1 TD 0 INT
2020- COVID
2021- 3 Games 3 Starts 19/29 199 yards 2 TDs 1 INT
2022 - 3 Games 2 Starts 18/26 222 Yards 3 TDs 0 INT
2023 - 2 Games 2 Starts 12/17 120 Yards 1 TD 0 INT
A Hall of Fame QB plays in the Preseason because Reid runs a tough camp. But Hurts and Prescott who haven’t won shit can’t play in the Preseason. Jones can a series so that makes it better.
The league evolves in the way it approaches the preseason, including the use of joint practices as substitute for games. Anything prior to 2023 is ancient history.
What does a "start" really signify, when Mahomes threw two passes in the Week 1 2023 game before calling it a night?
That makes it a "tough camp"? Come on.
“These guys know they have a real game in a month, right?”
The league evolves in the way it approaches the preseason, including the use of joint practices as substitute for games. Anything prior to 2023 is ancient history.
What does a "start" really signify, when Mahomes threw two passes in the Week 1 2023 game before calling it a night?
That makes it a "tough camp"? Come on.
I suggest you read up on Andy Reid’s training camp. Here is a good article on it. And the Mahomes example is just to show that the guy generally considered to be the best player in the NFL is not above playing in the Preseason.
Why Chiefs Andy Reid runs NFL training camp - ( New Window )
OTAs can be light, but camp needs a focus and tough mentality.
So, does he stick to his guns, and his approach? Obviously, he thought that was the right approach. Or does he modify his approach after the shit show start to last season? I hope it's the latter.
And then it was more of the same for the 1st half of the Arizona game, then San Fran, then Seattle and Miami, particularly on offense and specials. The Defense started getting some turnovers but they weren't playing fundamentally sound in most areas either. Just bad football.
I don't know if the answer is run a "rough" training camp or not. Based on poor early season results, disjointed looking preseason games and the volume of injuries that pop up seemingly every summer for the past decade, this team has yet to figure out the how to be prepared when we hit Labor Day on the calendar.
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The league evolves in the way it approaches the preseason, including the use of joint practices as substitute for games. Anything prior to 2023 is ancient history.
What does a "start" really signify, when Mahomes threw two passes in the Week 1 2023 game before calling it a night?
That makes it a "tough camp"? Come on.
I suggest you read up on Andy Reid’s training camp. Here is a good article on it. And the Mahomes example is just to show that the guy generally considered to be the best player in the NFL is not above playing in the Preseason. Why Chiefs Andy Reid runs NFL training camp - ( New Window )
Never would have thought Reid did it that way. Sounds very Coughlin-esque. I guess tougher is better.
The Lions who were a far better team were practicing much harder. It is what it is. That’s what a young hungry team practices like.
2) The idea that anyone here know is this was a hard or soft training camp is frankly ludicrous. Is anyone going to every practice and workout and charting the intensity level across all units of the team? And comparing that intensity level to the other teams in the league.
All the Giants have to do to squash this is to put out some reports that camp has more intensity this year. It could be exactly the same as last year and nobody would know the difference
2) The idea that anyone here know is this was a hard or soft training camp is frankly ludicrous. Is anyone going to every practice and workout and charting the intensity level across all units of the team? And comparing that intensity level to the other teams in the league.
All the Giants have to do to squash this is to put out some reports that camp has more intensity this year. It could be exactly the same as last year and nobody would know the difference
Multiple beat reporters commented on how lax training camp was last year. We have posters on this thread stating they were surprise how easy practices were last training. Multiple people are confirming the same thing and you choose to ignore it. Guess it’s something we’re making up because we weren’t there every single day.
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1) Daboll was very successful in his 1st year. Do we think he made massive changes in year 2?
2) The idea that anyone here know is this was a hard or soft training camp is frankly ludicrous. Is anyone going to every practice and workout and charting the intensity level across all units of the team? And comparing that intensity level to the other teams in the league.
All the Giants have to do to squash this is to put out some reports that camp has more intensity this year. It could be exactly the same as last year and nobody would know the difference
Multiple beat reporters commented on how lax training camp was last year. We have posters on this thread stating they were surprise how easy practices were last training. Multiple people are confirming the same thing and you choose to ignore it. Guess it’s something we’re making up because we weren’t there every single day.
Not to mention the direct comparison to the Lions during joint practices.
I suggest you read up on Andy Reid’s training camp. Here is a good article on it. And the Mahomes example is just to show that the guy generally considered to be the best player in the NFL is not above playing in the Preseason. Why Chiefs Andy Reid runs NFL training camp - ( New Window )
Thanks for the article, which contains more significant information than whether Mahomes makes a token appearance in a pre-season game.
Still, I have these reactions:
1)Reid never won anything before the Chiefs drafted Patrick Mahomes, and, if they didn't happen to draft Mahomes, no one would be holding up Andy Reid as the paragon of anything.
2)What happened to the Chiefs at the start of the 2023 season? Week 1: Lost at home to the Lions in the Kickoff game; Week 2: Struggled to beat the Jags 17-9; Week 4: Struggled at home to beat a bad Jets team (and Zach Wilson) by three points (23-20).
Not exactly flying out of the gate.
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I suggest you read up on Andy Reid’s training camp. Here is a good article on it. And the Mahomes example is just to show that the guy generally considered to be the best player in the NFL is not above playing in the Preseason. Why Chiefs Andy Reid runs NFL training camp - ( New Window )
Thanks for the article, which contains more significant information than whether Mahomes makes a token appearance in a pre-season game.
Still, I have these reactions:
1)Reid never won anything before the Chiefs drafted Patrick Mahomes, and, if they didn't happen to draft Mahomes, no one would be holding up Andy Reid as the paragon of anything.
2)What happened to the Chiefs at the start of the 2023 season? Week 1: Lost at home to the Lions in the Kickoff game; Week 2: Struggled to beat the Jags 17-9; Week 4: Struggled at home to beat a bad Jets team (and Zach Wilson) by three points (23-20).
Not exactly flying out of the gate.
The start of 2023 was tough due to a ton of factors. In week 1 they played a solid Lions teams without their best defensive player in Chris Jones. Also the passing offense had not hit their strides as they were relying on the unreliable Kadarius Toney, and a group of young receivers. Still they went 4-1 in their first 5 games with a close Lost to the Lions. Also remember these are the defending Super Bowl champs, so teams will give effort to beat the champs.