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Do you prefer Pittsburgh's Steelers QB situation or ours?

RomanWH : 5/22/2024 3:27 pm
To recap what each front office did with regards to their QB position group, Pittsburgh did the following:

-Trade away their ineffective 1st round QB + a 2024 4th round pick to get back a 2024 third rounder + two 2025 7th rounders
-Sign Russell Wilson to a 1 year deal($1.2M)
-Trade for Justin Fields for a conditional 2025 6th rounder
-Sign Kyle Allen to a 1 year deal($1.3M)

---vs. what the Giants did which was---

-Try and fail to trade for the 3rd overall pick for Drake Maye
-Sign Drew Lock to a 1 year deal($5M) after Tyrod signed w/ the Jets

So Wilson, Fields, Allen vs Jones, Lock, DeVito. Which would you feel better about going into this season? Given the benefit of hindsight, would you rather have done what Pittsburgh did this offseason?
I would have been more than ok  
barens : 5/22/2024 3:32 pm : link
with trying to get Fields, otherwise, nothing else there makes me envious of the Steelers QB situation.Not dollars for dollars, but I'd rather have Jones than Wilson at this point in his career.
The situations seem roughly on par  
Metnut : 5/22/2024 3:33 pm : link
Both teams don't appear to have an answer at QB and are rolling the dice with short term options in 2024 with the expectation to likely move on after the season unless they catch lightning in a bottle.

I think I'd prefer Pitt's situation since they have a much lower cap hit for the QBs (and no dead money for next year) while NYG has a monstrous cap hit in 2024 for DJ and a significant dead money amount in 2025 if they move on.
For the money  
pjcas18 : 5/22/2024 3:38 pm : link
including the investment beyond this year I'd rather have the Steelers situation.

it's all upside for them basically.

If Wilson doesn't work out. So what?
If Fields doesn't work out. So what?

they can move on pain free and if they don't work out it probably means they are in good position to draft the QB they want in 2025.
Neither team has good QBs  
Jerry in_DC : 5/22/2024 3:39 pm : link
1 team is paying a massive amount of $$. 1 isnt.

At minimum, we have a $22M dead cap hit in 2025  
Sean : 5/22/2024 3:39 pm : link
Pittsburgh has the much better situation, they have no money committed right now in 2025.
There is no QB room in the league worse than the NYG  
The_Boss : 5/22/2024 3:39 pm : link
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Also  
pjcas18 : 5/22/2024 3:40 pm : link
the Steelers were a playoff team last year with shitty QB play.

The bar for them is really low to improve the position.
RE: I would have been more than ok  
clatterbuck : 5/22/2024 3:47 pm : link
In comment 16522349 barens said:
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with trying to get Fields, otherwise, nothing else there makes me envious of the Steelers QB situation.Not dollars for dollars, but I'd rather have Jones than Wilson at this point in his career.


From what I've read, Fields major infirmity, primarily slow to process what's in front of him, is the biggest knock on Jones.Both are very good athletes, can make plays running, are hard workers and good kids. Not sure how much of an upgrade he'd be.
Neither seem ideal  
George from PA : 5/22/2024 3:56 pm : link
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Steelers  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/22/2024 4:06 pm : link
And it’s not even close
Without a doubt the Steelers have a better QB situation than us  
Darwinian : 5/22/2024 4:06 pm : link
They have 2 QBs better than anybody we have, and they're paying a fraction for it.

The Giants have the worst QB group in the NFL.
The Steelers know what they are doing  
The Mike : 5/22/2024 4:16 pm : link
The Giants do not. Plain as day.
The Giants seemed their fate by over paying DJ.  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/22/2024 4:39 pm : link
After 2022 they should have signed Barkley and tagged Jones when he wanted more than about 30 mil AAV. You can want whatever but being in the hook for 40 million meant Jones was here 2024. Now if he's not much better and healthier they need to move on period.

If the Pats and Giants situations were reversed the Giants would have totally ignored trade offers so even though they tried they were stuck w Jones and clock. And tbh I don't want Silson anywhere near this team. Hes better than Jones but no where near all that good so even if he plays well Pitt isn't going anywhere. They still need a QB after this year. Fields is a healthier Jones. Both Teams need a Qb next year. No matter what
Steelers 100%  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 5/22/2024 4:42 pm : link
not close
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/22/2024 4:48 pm : link
Pittsburgh.
Both have bad situations  
Mike from Ohio : 5/22/2024 4:50 pm : link
But the Steelers have the better players and much more flexibility. The Steelers' situation is much better.
RE: Both have bad situations  
Mike in NY : 5/22/2024 4:52 pm : link
In comment 16522434 Mike from Ohio said:
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But the Steelers have the better players and much more flexibility. The Steelers' situation is much better.


Yes, that is why I would go Steelers here
I prefer the Giants situtation, theye have a top tier qb while Fields  
Jack Stroud : 5/22/2024 6:01 pm : link
and Wilson are just terrible! If the defense holds up their end, the Giants will win more games than the Steelers!
Our QB room  
AROCK1000 : 5/22/2024 6:02 pm : link
Pittsburghs OL
Steelers  
Toth029 : 5/22/2024 6:54 pm : link
Are pretty well stacked everywhere but QB.

And both Fields and Wilson will still be bad.
Pitt QB room  
56goat : 5/22/2024 6:55 pm : link
and ownership by far. Easy financially for them to move on from both QBs and unlike the Giants, they weren't afraid to make changes when it wasn't working out.
RE: I prefer the Giants situtation, theye have a top tier qb while Fields  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/22/2024 6:57 pm : link
In comment 16522481 Jack Stroud said:
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and Wilson are just terrible! If the defense holds up their end, the Giants will win more games than the Steelers!


You're a parody @ this point. 'A top tier QB'...LOL.
If I was GM  
OBJRoyal : 5/22/2024 7:09 pm : link
I’d have taken a dice roll on Fields
Steelers  
JoeyBigBlue : 5/22/2024 7:13 pm : link
Don’t have $47 of cap space committed to a QB this year and $22 million next years.
I wanted Wilson before he signed with Denver  
Fishmanjim57 : 5/22/2024 7:17 pm : link
I would have loved to get him here on a less expensive one year deal while also acquiring Fields.
Pittsburgh is in a much better place in regards to QB.
RE: Steelers  
Festina Lente : 5/22/2024 7:24 pm : link
In comment 16522392 MyNameIsMyName said:
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And it’s not even close


Thid is the correct response
RE: RE: I prefer the Giants situtation, theye have a top tier qb while Fields  
Mike in NY : 5/22/2024 8:10 pm : link
In comment 16522519 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 16522481 Jack Stroud said:


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and Wilson are just terrible! If the defense holds up their end, the Giants will win more games than the Steelers!



You're a parody @ this point. 'A top tier QB'...LOL.


Seriously. I really think we might be seeing the impact of CTE. I have had my disagreements with people like Go Terps, but this is insane.
The Steelers may think either Wilson or Fields  
GeofromNJ : 5/22/2024 8:57 pm : link
can take them deep into the playoffs, both this year and maybe next year. The Giants should have no illusions about the playoffs this year and should be working toward acquiring their franchise quarterback over the next several years.
The Giants made their decision  
Rudy5757 : 5/22/2024 10:10 pm : link
The year before with Jones contract. So the comparison is not equal. We had to pay Jones this year no matter what and trading is not an option.

Wilson is washed up and Fields washed out in Chicago. The only reason that Pittsburgh situation is better is because of the money that was already committed to.

Personally if you take money out of the equation I would rather have the Giants situation.
RE: The Giants made their decision  
Ivan15 : 5/22/2024 11:35 pm : link
In comment 16522667 Rudy5757 said:
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The year before with Jones contract. So the comparison is not equal. We had to pay Jones this year no matter what and trading is not an option.

Wilson is washed up and Fields washed out in Chicago. The only reason that Pittsburgh situation is better is because of the money that was already committed to.

Personally if you take money out of the equation I would rather have the Giants situation.
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You can’t take the money out of the equation. Steelers have the flexibility to keep Wilson or Fields next year by signing one of them, or they can sign a free agent, or they can draft one. Giants have to pay some money to a 6’4” albatross next year and they don’t know what that cost will be. They can’t pay a free agent as much as the Steelers will be able to pay, but their chances of drafting a QB are about equal to the Steelers right now. The Giants only advantage is that Tomlin won’t allow the Steelers to finish below 0.500 and the Giants will be happy if they finish with its 2022 record.
RE: Without a doubt the Steelers have a better QB situation than us  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 5/23/2024 6:42 am : link
In comment 16522393 Darwinian said:
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They have 2 QBs better than anybody we have, and they're paying a fraction for it.

The Giants have the worst QB group in the NFL.


What about Las Vegas? Do they have anyone in their quarterback room?
RE: RE: Without a doubt the Steelers have a better QB situation than us  
BlueVinnie : 5/23/2024 7:40 am : link
In comment 16522788 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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In comment 16522393 Darwinian said:


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They have 2 QBs better than anybody we have, and they're paying a fraction for it.

The Giants have the worst QB group in the NFL.



What about Las Vegas? Do they have anyone in their quarterback room?

No doubt Vegas needs to update the QB position.
However, I'd take The Gardner over Jones. I wouldn't want either as our long term starter. For the short term, I have little doubt Minshew would run the offense better than Jones. In addition, O'Connell looks like a better backup than either Lock or Cutlets at this point.
I think a piece of the convo has to be  
Dnew15 : 5/23/2024 7:51 am : link
how much of a financial commitment has been made to their QB rooms for next season as well:

NYG ranks 4th in cap allocation to the QB position at 18.72%
Oak ranks 8th (they have to pay out Jimmy G's dead money this year) 14.16%
PIT ranks 29th at 2.39%
RE: RE: Without a doubt the Steelers have a better QB situation than us  
Scooter185 : 5/23/2024 8:17 am : link
In comment 16522788 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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In comment 16522393 Darwinian said:


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They have 2 QBs better than anybody we have, and they're paying a fraction for it.

The Giants have the worst QB group in the NFL.



What about Las Vegas? Do they have anyone in their quarterback room?


I was thinking of who's QB situation is worse. I came up with LV and maybe CAR.
Pitt is paying less than $6M for their QB room,  
Section331 : 5/23/2024 9:17 am : link
we’re paying $50M. Pitt has zero $$$ committed to the position next year, we have at least $23M if we cut Jones. I’ll take Pitt’s situation any day.
RE: RE: The Giants made their decision  
Rudy5757 : 5/23/2024 10:20 am : link
In comment 16522771 Ivan15 said:
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In comment 16522667 Rudy5757 said:


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The year before with Jones contract. So the comparison is not equal. We had to pay Jones this year no matter what and trading is not an option.

Wilson is washed up and Fields washed out in Chicago. The only reason that Pittsburgh situation is better is because of the money that was already committed to.

Personally if you take money out of the equation I would rather have the Giants situation.

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You can’t take the money out of the equation. Steelers have the flexibility to keep Wilson or Fields next year by signing one of them, or they can sign a free agent, or they can draft one. Giants have to pay some money to a 6’4” albatross next year and they don’t know what that cost will be. They can’t pay a free agent as much as the Steelers will be able to pay, but their chances of drafting a QB are about equal to the Steelers right now. The Giants only advantage is that Tomlin won’t allow the Steelers to finish below 0.500 and the Giants will be happy if they finish with its 2022 record.


The Steelers are in the same position the Giants were in in 2022. If Fields or Wilson perform well they either have to Franchise them or sign them to a big contract. If they don’t they have no QB.
I'd take the Steelers' situation  
santacruzom : 5/23/2024 12:00 pm : link
over our all day long and twice on Sundays.
I think talent wise the teams are about the same  
PatersonPlank : 5/23/2024 12:23 pm : link
both have guys with a small chance to still salvage something, and backups with talent but don't look like anything but a career backup. The difference is we are paying a whole lot more $$$$. So because of that I would take the Steelers situation.
RE: RE: RE: Without a doubt the Steelers have a better QB situation than us  
The Mike : 5/23/2024 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16522816 Scooter185 said:
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In comment 16522393 Darwinian said:


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They have 2 QBs better than anybody we have, and they're paying a fraction for it.

The Giants have the worst QB group in the NFL.



What about Las Vegas? Do they have anyone in their quarterback room?



I was thinking of who's QB situation is worse. I came up with LV and maybe CAR.


If you consider talent relative to committed dollars, we are the worst team in the NFL and it isn't close. In fact, I would bet that through the lens of this metric, the 2024 Giants have arguably the worst quarterback situation in NFL history.
RE: I think a piece of the convo has to be  
Darwinian : 5/23/2024 12:47 pm : link
In comment 16522808 Dnew15 said:
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how much of a financial commitment has been made to their QB rooms for next season as well:

NYG ranks 4th in cap allocation to the QB position at 18.72%
Oak ranks 8th (they have to pay out Jimmy G's dead money this year) 14.16%
PIT ranks 29th at 2.39%


I believe 18.74 (according to Spotrac) is just Daniel Jones. When you add Lock's number it is up to 20.7 - I believe according to Spotrac.

I mean, c'mon, to have over 20% dedicated to the position (among the very highest numbers in the league for QB, and have those players be Jones, Lock and DeVito, it's just fucking incompetent. There's no other way to put it. Schoen should be fucking embarrassed. And if he's not feeling shame, I want him gone.

But if he sees the mistakes he made committing mega dollars to totally unproven talent, expecting limited players to suddenly become great, then I can give him a mulligan. But this is a bad position that could lock him out from ever being considered for a GM job ever again.
RE: The Steelers know what they are doing  
Rory : 5/23/2024 12:49 pm : link
In comment 16522399 The Mike said:
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The Giants do not. Plain as day.


I dont think thats true
I would take almost every other team's QB situation over ours  
Matt M. : 5/23/2024 2:19 pm : link
Pitt may be one of the couple I wouldn't. For one, Fields, in my opinion, is one of only a few QBs worse than Jones. I'm not talking about potential. I'm talking production and what they have done on the field already. And, Wilson is cooked.
It's interesting to read what a small group of fans think  
RomanWH : 5/23/2024 2:53 pm : link
about the Giants' QB group vs the Steelers' group. I was a big fan of trading for Fields, back when his perceived value was a mid-round pick. To be able to get him for a future 6th, was a bit of a steal. Not that I think he's elite or anything like that. But as a cheap backup for a year and insurance in case Jones' rehab didn't go as planned... I think it would've been worth the cost.

But it just seems like a good portion of the fanbase is tired of putting hope in Daniel Jones anymore. Changing it up and giving the reins to anybody else with either past success or unrealized potential would've been preferable to running it back with Jones, Lock, DeVito, especially considering the how much cap space the group costs by comparison.
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