Art Stapleton
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Tommy DeVito looked a lot closer to QB2 than QB3 today.
Again, it's an OTA in May.
But I wouldn't be running DeVito off this team so quickly. #NYGiants
DeVito is definitely someone to monitor this spring and summer. Does he have a chance at QB2? Could he feasibly start? Was he a large reason NYG did not draft a developmental QB?
count him out. Daboll and Shea seemed genuinely impressed with how he saw things on the field, and that is really unusual as a rookie, especially one who had so few practice reps.
Competition is good, it makes everyone better. May the best man win.
An offseaon can cause a big jump for a player. I'm not saying he's our QB, but it's worth keeping an eye on him.
Remember, he knows the offense. The new guys are experiencing it for the first time. He also has experience with most of the receivers, while the new guys don't. It would be bad if he didn't look better than them at this point.
The question is can he continue to look better than them.
If you compare DeVito's and Jones's pre-NFL careers, DeVito's is better. If you compare their 2023 season, DeVito's is better.
Maybe DeVito's just better.
I don’t understand why people don’t seem to understand this. Jones is not a great college QB who came into the NFL and played below expectations. He was a mediocre college QB with great measurables and a coach with ties in the NFL that got him over drafted.
If you compare DeVito's and Jones's pre-NFL careers, DeVito's is better. If you compare their 2023 season, DeVito's is better.
Maybe DeVito's just better.
I agree, but it ain’t happening. That’s why the ‘no scholarships’ line is such BS.
With an out in 2025 I feel like Jones will be on a short leash this year. Whoever wins the competition between Lock and DeVito may be on the field sooner than we all realize.
I'm really surprised Lock was their choice as backup. A guy who can't run, and who'd miss if you told him to hit the grass with the ball. DeVito is more talented player.
I'm really surprised Lock was their choice as backup. A guy who can't run, and who'd miss if you told him to hit the grass with the ball. DeVito is more talented player.
Who else was really out there?
Mariota?….he’s terrible as well
I made a post weeks back that stated the case to let Tommy
Play out the remainder of the season instead of Tyrod who we knew was not in our future plans. Baffling to me we didn’t give the kid more live reps knowing the season was already lost.
RE: I made a post weeks back that stated the case to let Tommy
Play out the remainder of the season instead of Tyrod who we knew was not in our future plans. Baffling to me we didn’t give the kid more live reps knowing the season was already lost.
It’s not baffling for 2 reasons.
1. He was absolutely lost
2. We were still trying to win games
As a fan I get the “fuck it let him play stance” but Dabolls job is to win.
I'm really surprised Lock was their choice as backup. A guy who can't run, and who'd miss if you told him to hit the grass with the ball. DeVito is more talented player.
I'm really surprised Lock was their choice as backup. A guy who can't run, and who'd miss if you told him to hit the grass with the ball. DeVito is more talented player.
Who else was really out there?
Mariota?….he’s terrible as well
Flacco wouid be the only one I would have interest in
I'm really surprised Lock was their choice as backup. A guy who can't run, and who'd miss if you told him to hit the grass with the ball. DeVito is more talented player.
Who else was really out there?
Mariota?….he’s terrible as well
Flacco wouid be the only one I would have interest in
But if he wins a roster spot and plays well, I’ll be happy to be wrong.
I’m only slightly less skeptical of Jones and Lock. That is a terrible QB corps — unless Jones elevates his game and never misses a game. Chances of that elevation seem less than 50-50 to me. Chances of him staying healthy seem close to zero.
De Vito could turn out to be the QB1 by being the lesser of three evils.
Is with injuries to Jones & Lock. It’s that simple. Whether he hangs on to QB3 is the question. It would be very difficult for Schoen & Daboll to save their jobs if Devito is the starter any other way. Even if he was the best QB in training camp he isn’t winning the job and he’s not going to be QB2 without an injury either.
If the Giants really believed in DeVito they would have started him down the stretch instead of Lame Duck Taylor. Devito is a distraction because he is easy to root for. But I believe Rourke was brought in to replace DeVito. IMO the best case scenario is that DeVito plays well and the Giants can trade him for a pick. Daboll is going to wear thin on answering questions about him. That’s my 2 cents
If you compare DeVito's and Jones's pre-NFL careers, DeVito's is better.
I'm not as negative on Jones as Go Terps is, but I think the above statement is accurate. DeVito gets portrayed as some kind of local yokel on BBI, but he was a stud QB at a serious football HS in NJ, and bounced around in college - his own fault to some extent - but had more wins against better competition in college than Jones did. That he bounced around, though ... I think those questioning his mental approach have valid questions - but I think he has a background showing more talent than he's getting credit for. Basically, he kind of screwed up his own college career, but during weird COVID years where a lot of odd stuff went on in CFB. He has shown talent and it's not crazy to suggest he might be better than Jones.
Enough. Can anyone understand why we took Drew Lock, whatever you think of him, despite him being a top draft choice big arm QB just a few years ago? Do the math.
If you compare DeVito's and Jones's pre-NFL careers, DeVito's is better. If you compare their 2023 season, DeVito's is better.
Maybe DeVito's just better.
DeVito was a 4 star HS recruit. Jones was a walk on. 2nd year players usually show a big bump in performance. I don’t want to get all starry eyed but I am curious what TD will show in camp this year.
Play out the remainder of the season instead of Tyrod who we knew was not in our future plans. Baffling to me we didn’t give the kid more live reps knowing the season was already lost.
I agree. We weren't in playoff contention, and Taylor was gone. Not giving DeVito more experience in a guaranteed losing season was a mistake. He didn't look much worse than either of them.
I think Jones is average-to-slightly-above-average at his best, but 2023 has shaken all my confidence in his ability to get back there (and his best includes a lot of scrambling too).
Lock is an advanced stats disaster. I have zero confidence he beats out Jones and if he does, it's probably a bad thing unless Daboll is some kind of wizard.
DeVito is the unknown. His conventional numbers were decent, his advanced numbers weren't, and there were things both to like and hate on his 2023 tape. A lot of rookie QBs look like shit in their first year, and many have a dichotomy where they look much better in their last 8 games than their first 8. DeVito, however, didn't even get a half-season of starts. On top of that, he was a rookie FA and production from that background is basically non-existent historically. Don't count on him but also don't count him out.
I think Jones is average-to-slightly-above-average at his best, but 2023 has shaken all my confidence in his ability to get back there (and his best includes a lot of scrambling too).
Lock is an advanced stats disaster. I have zero confidence he beats out Jones and if he does, it's probably a bad thing unless Daboll is some kind of wizard.
DeVito is the unknown. His conventional numbers were decent, his advanced numbers weren't, and there were things both to like and hate on his 2023 tape. A lot of rookie QBs look like shit in their first year, and many have a dichotomy where they look much better in their last 8 games than their first 8. DeVito, however, didn't even get a half-season of starts. On top of that, he was a rookie FA and production from that background is basically non-existent historically. Don't count on him but also don't count him out.
Good post. I wouldn’t put it past Daboll to be able to squeeze something out of Lock, but given that he sucked under another QB guru in Shurmur, I’m not holding out much hope.
And DeVito’s play was definitely up and down, not unexpected for a rookie. I have my doubts that he can speed up the clock in his head, but it isn’t a crazy thought to think he can.
Also needs the benefit of a minimally acceptable OL. In fact I think he'd benefit most from it.
We'll see how he does in pre-season games - which is a 2-edged sword. He needs an excellent showing to get even a practice squad spot - but if he looks really good, he'll get poached at some point.
We'll see in August. As of now I'd say odds are that this year, after pre-season, we next see Cutlets in another uniform -- or not at all.
RE: Look, the kid came in as a rookie QB and won three games
on a team that was DOA when he got his first start.
Who knows what his future holds, but he's clearly a gamer.
That Monday Night thrill was the highlight of the season for me. After the game, I was then “Glad” Saquon fumbled the ball going down which gave Green Bay a chance to take the lead…and they did. That gave Cutlets a chance to show what he made of….and he delivered big time. Finally, we won on Prime Time, Monday Night.
on a team that was DOA when he got his first start.
Who knows what his future holds, but he's clearly a gamer.
That Monday Night thrill was the highlight of the season for me. After the game, I was then “Glad” Saquon fumbled the ball going down which gave Green Bay a chance to take the lead…and they did. That gave Cutlets a chance to show what he made of….and he delivered big time. Finally, we won on Prime Time, Monday Night.
Thanks again, Cutlets. I’m rooting for you bud.
That TD strike he threw to the back of the end zone in that GB game was eye-opening.
Not a lot of memorable moments for the team last year but that throw was one of them.
Sure he could be a #2 QB. So could Daniel Jones.
I think his off the field persona is hurting him with the Giants. I wish he would put that down now and just play football.
what is his off field persona?
Competition is good, it makes everyone better. May the best man win.
@Connor_J_Hughes
I thought Tommy DeVito was far & away the best QB at practice today. #Giants
Daniel Jones didn’t do team drills*
An offseaon can cause a big jump for a player. I'm not saying he's our QB, but it's worth keeping an eye on him.
I bet that's especially true for a QB who experienced some starting success and has reason to be confident in himself and the process.
Sure he could be a #2 QB. So could Daniel Jones.
I think his off the field persona is hurting him with the Giants. I wish he would put that down now and just play football.
The guy took some endorsement money, that’s it. What can you point to to show he’s not 100% focused on football?
An offseaon can cause a big jump for a player. I'm not saying he's our QB, but it's worth keeping an eye on him.
Remember, he knows the offense. The new guys are experiencing it for the first time. He also has experience with most of the receivers, while the new guys don't. It would be bad if he didn't look better than them at this point.
The question is can he continue to look better than them.
Don't forget the Morris County Womens Club, they have big bucks
Maybe DeVito's just better.
100% agree.
Maybe DeVito's just better.
I don’t understand why people don’t seem to understand this. Jones is not a great college QB who came into the NFL and played below expectations. He was a mediocre college QB with great measurables and a coach with ties in the NFL that got him over drafted.
Maybe DeVito's just better.
I agree, but it ain’t happening. That’s why the ‘no scholarships’ line is such BS.
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If you compare DeVito's and Jones's pre-NFL careers, DeVito's is better. If you compare their 2023 season, DeVito's is better.
Maybe DeVito's just better.
I agree, but it ain’t happening. That’s why the ‘no scholarships’ line is such BS.
With an out in 2025 I feel like Jones will be on a short leash this year. Whoever wins the competition between Lock and DeVito may be on the field sooner than we all realize.
Who else was really out there?
Mariota?….he’s terrible as well
It’s not baffling for 2 reasons.
1. He was absolutely lost
2. We were still trying to win games
As a fan I get the “fuck it let him play stance” but Dabolls job is to win.
Who else was really out there?
Mariota?….he’s terrible as well
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I'm really surprised Lock was their choice as backup. A guy who can't run, and who'd miss if you told him to hit the grass with the ball. DeVito is more talented player.
Who else was really out there?
Mariota?….he’s terrible as well
Flacco wouid be the only one I would have interest in
JG will be suspended for the first few games
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I'm really surprised Lock was their choice as backup. A guy who can't run, and who'd miss if you told him to hit the grass with the ball. DeVito is more talented player.
Who else was really out there?
Mariota?….he’s terrible as well
Flacco wouid be the only one I would have interest in
JG will be suspended for the first few games
Brissett too….but he is starting
Lock is a slow footed, inaccurate thrower. He's a very different quarterback than Jones, and the game planning will have to be different if he plays.
I’m only slightly less skeptical of Jones and Lock. That is a terrible QB corps — unless Jones elevates his game and never misses a game. Chances of that elevation seem less than 50-50 to me. Chances of him staying healthy seem close to zero.
De Vito could turn out to be the QB1 by being the lesser of three evils.
Love this years draft and we have some other good young players but without a qb it will be ugly.
Yes. Taylor plays at a notch below par with his head but a notch above reckless abandon with his body.
The last thing you want in a QB2 is that he makes QB3 very relevant.
Isn’t this a downside? If our current QB1 goes down then we want QB2 to be almost worthless.
That will allow future QB1 to be upgraded.
If the Giants really believed in DeVito they would have started him down the stretch instead of Lame Duck Taylor. Devito is a distraction because he is easy to root for. But I believe Rourke was brought in to replace DeVito. IMO the best case scenario is that DeVito plays well and the Giants can trade him for a pick. Daboll is going to wear thin on answering questions about him. That’s my 2 cents
I'm not as negative on Jones as Go Terps is, but I think the above statement is accurate. DeVito gets portrayed as some kind of local yokel on BBI, but he was a stud QB at a serious football HS in NJ, and bounced around in college - his own fault to some extent - but had more wins against better competition in college than Jones did. That he bounced around, though ... I think those questioning his mental approach have valid questions - but I think he has a background showing more talent than he's getting credit for. Basically, he kind of screwed up his own college career, but during weird COVID years where a lot of odd stuff went on in CFB. He has shown talent and it's not crazy to suggest he might be better than Jones.
Maybe DeVito's just better.
DeVito was a 4 star HS recruit. Jones was a walk on. 2nd year players usually show a big bump in performance. I don’t want to get all starry eyed but I am curious what TD will show in camp this year.
I agree. We weren't in playoff contention, and Taylor was gone. Not giving DeVito more experience in a guaranteed losing season was a mistake. He didn't look much worse than either of them.
Lock is an advanced stats disaster. I have zero confidence he beats out Jones and if he does, it's probably a bad thing unless Daboll is some kind of wizard.
DeVito is the unknown. His conventional numbers were decent, his advanced numbers weren't, and there were things both to like and hate on his 2023 tape. A lot of rookie QBs look like shit in their first year, and many have a dichotomy where they look much better in their last 8 games than their first 8. DeVito, however, didn't even get a half-season of starts. On top of that, he was a rookie FA and production from that background is basically non-existent historically. Don't count on him but also don't count him out.
Lock is an advanced stats disaster. I have zero confidence he beats out Jones and if he does, it's probably a bad thing unless Daboll is some kind of wizard.
DeVito is the unknown. His conventional numbers were decent, his advanced numbers weren't, and there were things both to like and hate on his 2023 tape. A lot of rookie QBs look like shit in their first year, and many have a dichotomy where they look much better in their last 8 games than their first 8. DeVito, however, didn't even get a half-season of starts. On top of that, he was a rookie FA and production from that background is basically non-existent historically. Don't count on him but also don't count him out.
Good post. I wouldn’t put it past Daboll to be able to squeeze something out of Lock, but given that he sucked under another QB guru in Shurmur, I’m not holding out much hope.
And DeVito’s play was definitely up and down, not unexpected for a rookie. I have my doubts that he can speed up the clock in his head, but it isn’t a crazy thought to think he can.
We'll see how he does in pre-season games - which is a 2-edged sword. He needs an excellent showing to get even a practice squad spot - but if he looks really good, he'll get poached at some point.
We'll see in August. As of now I'd say odds are that this year, after pre-season, we next see Cutlets in another uniform -- or not at all.
Who knows what his future holds, but he's clearly a gamer.
That Monday Night thrill was the highlight of the season for me. After the game, I was then “Glad” Saquon fumbled the ball going down which gave Green Bay a chance to take the lead…and they did. That gave Cutlets a chance to show what he made of….and he delivered big time. Finally, we won on Prime Time, Monday Night.
Thanks again, Cutlets. I’m rooting for you bud.
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on a team that was DOA when he got his first start.
Who knows what his future holds, but he's clearly a gamer.
That Monday Night thrill was the highlight of the season for me. After the game, I was then “Glad” Saquon fumbled the ball going down which gave Green Bay a chance to take the lead…and they did. That gave Cutlets a chance to show what he made of….and he delivered big time. Finally, we won on Prime Time, Monday Night.
Thanks again, Cutlets. I’m rooting for you bud.
That TD strike he threw to the back of the end zone in that GB game was eye-opening.
Not a lot of memorable moments for the team last year but that throw was one of them.