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2024 Giants similarities to greatest show on turf

CMicks3110 : 5/23/2024 6:37 pm
Of course they have not achieved anything yet, and I know it's an absurd comparison until it's proven on the field. But there are a lot of similarities between the two teams.

The 1998 Rams were 4-12, moving away from Tony Banks, and toward a new future at QB, and they added an elite wide receiver at, ironically, the #6 overall pick in Torry Holt.

Adding Holt, Marshall Faulk, and Adam Zimmerman transformed that offense from a mess to perhaps the greatest in history to that time.

But there were core pieces in place prior to Holt and Faulk. Orlando Pace, Issac Bruce, Az Hakim -- I think the comparison of Thomas to Pace is easy to spot, and yes this isn't a perfect comparison as wan'dale Robinson, Darius Slayton, and Jalen Hyatt are much different receivers.

The thing that I interesting is that the 99 Rams team was known for their speed. But Nabers, Hyatt, Robinson and Slayton are clearly pound for pound a faster group than Bruce, Holt, Hakim and Proehl.

The comparison would be better if Barkley was still here, as obviously he is closer in terms of talent than Singletary.

Anyway, I hope you all will consider some of the striking parallels and not shoot me down for the comparison. The 98' rams were a disaster but obviously just a handful of pieces changed the franchise on a dime.
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robbieballs2003 : 5/23/2024 6:41 pm : link
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I think we could beat that Ram team!  
SuperRonJohnson : 5/23/2024 6:46 pm : link
Of course that team is all 26 years older so we would have a chance to beat them!
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/23/2024 6:49 pm : link
Well, @ least one BBIer isn't sober...
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section125 : 5/23/2024 6:59 pm : link
In comment 16523559 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Well, @ least one BBIer isn't sober...


What are you drinking this afternoon?
of course if a similar post was made in May of 1999  
CMicks3110 : 5/23/2024 6:59 pm : link
about the Rams, you'd all dismiss that poster too. Its a football board and I thought it wa an interesting comparison, is that not allowed?
CMicks.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/23/2024 7:02 pm : link
Haha, of course it's allowed & my comment was in jest. But it is VERY, VERY unlikely that the '24 Giants is going to replicate the '99 Rams, like peace in the Middle East tomorrow.
So rather than laugh at you I have questions  
pjcas18 : 5/23/2024 7:03 pm : link
Who on the Giants has the similarity with Warner?

That's kind of a big one to be missing.

Probably bigger than the Faulk mismatch, no?

And also Isaac Bruce is in the NFL HOF, and Torry Holt probably could be too. That's quite the projection for Nabers and Hyatt or Robinson. Unless it's Slayton the future HOFer. Is that who it is?

DeVito as Warner  
CMicks3110 : 5/23/2024 7:10 pm : link
There tools look similar. Of course I don’t expect it to happen.. but objectively, you have to admit our receivers are legitimately as fast as the rams were.
RE: DeVito as Warner  
pjcas18 : 5/23/2024 7:22 pm : link
In comment 16523571 CMicks3110 said:
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There tools look similar. Of course I don’t expect it to happen.. but objectively, you have to admit our receivers are legitimately as fast as the rams were.


I want to see it. but, have to be honest, I don't see any similarities between the greatest show on turf rams and the current Giants. None.

CMicks  
SuperRonJohnson : 5/23/2024 7:23 pm : link
it is a good point of discussion.
They weren't just fast  
Darwinian : 5/23/2024 7:39 pm : link
they were excellent receivers, ran great routes, could catch, and burn it for YAC. There is no comparison at this juncture btwn the 99 Rams weapons and the Giants.

Hyatt struggles against press man and is one dimensional. So is he supposed to be the Holt or the Bruce part of this? right now he is not close to their league. WanDale is undersized, a useful gadget, and so far not much more. Nabers has a chance to be super, no doubt.

And at QB we have nothing close to Warner. It's easier to make the comparison to the 99 Rams if you think QB is just a guy throwing a football and any top-30 warm body can do it. I'm not there with that. Warner was special in 99 and pretty great after at times and he is in the HOF. Daniel Jones and Drew Lock are not that kind of QB. Warner was smart, decisive, efficient with a quick release, great ball, extremely accurate hitting receivers on the dead run outside of contact. That's not Jones, who routinely throws receivers INTO contact.

Sorry I do not think this is an interesting comparison.
And the positive outlook award goes to….  
CV36 : 5/23/2024 8:19 pm : link
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The Giants WRs  
SomeFan : 5/23/2024 9:18 pm : link
are not clearly faster than the Rams' 99 WRs. Moreover, do we have a Kurt Warner on our team - any QB with such an accurate and quick release?
This is a tough one. Not saying that Ram team was predicted to succeed  
ThomasG : 5/23/2024 9:25 pm : link
but I cannot align the passing game between these teams at all.

Who’s throwing the ball downfield on our roster?
Kurt was a nobody before 1999  
Rudy5757 : 5/23/2024 10:12 pm : link
So all the comments about who is Kurt Warner are not valid. Warner only was good in 1999.

There are some interesting comparisons and let’s hope we can come close to that. It would be fun to watch.

I do think it still comes down to the OL. They need to give the QB time or the speed won’t matter
RE: Kurt was a nobody before 1999  
BlueVinnie : 5/23/2024 10:22 pm : link
In comment 16523680 Rudy5757 said:
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So all the comments about who is Kurt Warner are not valid. Warner only was good in 1999.

There are some interesting comparisons and let’s hope we can come close to that. It would be fun to watch.

I do think it still comes down to the OL. They need to give the QB time or the speed won’t matter

Being a nobody at QB (as in nobody knows whether that player is any good or not) is preferable to a QB who has proven to be a sub-par starter over multiple seasons.
If this offense averages over 24 pts a game, that’ll be progress  
The_Boss : 5/24/2024 8:56 am : link
The 99 rams averaged 33.
The Giants DID have a Marshall Faulk-level RB.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/24/2024 9:36 am : link
No, not the guy who signed with the Eagles. I mean 2005 Tiki Barber.

Faulk was the centerpiece of the offense. Without him, or somebody like him, the comparison seems pointless.

As for QB, Jones has a much better resume than the arena league refugee afterthought backup Vermeil promoted when Trent Green went down. But Warner had one outstanding attribute: accuracy. I’m not sure Jones has any. Also in 2023 Jones looked a lot like 2003 Warner: battered and completely spooked. In 1999 Warner stood in and took the hits Martz’s offense required. By 2003 he needed years of recuperation to get his hand and his brain right.
This is a joke, right?  
JohnF : 5/24/2024 4:41 pm : link
Warner was an incredibly accurate QB. I saw him close up in the Arena League, and he was dead on accurate. That's even after the New Jersey team went after him and injured his non throwing hand (Thanks, Coach Hufnagel!)...which is likely why he had a fumbling problem in the NFL, as I don't think it ever healed 100%.

Oh, and Warner dominated NFL Europe with the Admirals, too. You didn't hear about him, but he was not a "nobody"...he was a real NFL talent that matured later than normal.

I like Devito, but Warner is a legit Hall of Famer! There is NO comparison between him and Jones/DeVito. Hell, even a banged up Warner pre Eli was still better than those two..Warner also had a bad OL here, and had zero WR help with the Giants. That wasn't fixed until the next year, when Eli started.

Remember, the Rams had other NFL QB's before him, and that team, as stacked as it was, never won anything until Kurt was the last guy left after injuries. Warner made that team go, there was no "Greatest Show on Turf" without him.

If Jones was 50% of what Warner was, this board would be doing flip flops.
GSOT was before my time  
Breeze_94 : 5/24/2024 5:00 pm : link
How good were those rams teams?
I respect this effort....  
cpgiants : 5/24/2024 5:34 pm : link
Maybe next you can do a thread on how our 2024 defense is going to be similar to the 85 bears.
Curt Warner  
Bill in UT : 5/25/2024 7:44 pm : link
bagged groceries. Is there anyone in the Giants QB group who couldn't do that? Maybe not so far fetched
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