Nicholas Moreano @NicholasMoreano
Really rough day for Caleb Williams and the starting offense. A lot of incomplete passes and near interceptions.
In the 7-on-7 period, Williams completed just three passes. Jaylon Johnson nearly had an interception over the middle of the field.
In the team period, most of the passes were completed to the flat, and Williams held onto the ball for a long time.
It's worth nothing that Rome Odunze and Keenan Allen did not participate in 7-on-7s and team. Also, Nate Davis and Darnell Wright were not practicing today.
"Rookie QB struggles in 1st mini-camp....film at 11!"
It might be something, but likely not.
I'll take that bet. Something tells me you would have sold short on Mahomes.
Sounds good. I think he's going to be fantastic, only question for me is the cold weather. I think his numbers might dip in those environments.
That said, his performance in this OTA practice means nothing. Remember, last year in training camp (which is far closer to the regular season that OTAs in May); the Giants offense was humming according to ALL of the beat writers, and in their one series in the pre-season (against the Panthers); the starting offense was fantastic.
And, despite their great performance in training camp and the one series in the Panthers pre-season game; when the regular season came long; the starting offense was absolute dogshit.
So, me taking OTA or even training camp performance for offense seriously went out the window last season. That said; as I said in my first paragraph, Caleb could absolutely wind-up being a bust, but it won't be because of OTA or training camp performance.
That said, his performance in this OTA practice means nothing. Remember, last year in training camp (which is far closer to the regular season that OTAs in May); the Giants offense was humming according to ALL of the beat writers, and in their one series in the pre-season (against the Panthers); the starting offense was fantastic.
And, despite their great performance in training camp and the one series in the Panthers pre-season game; when the regular season came long; the starting offense was absolute dogshit.
So, me taking OTA or even training camp performance for offense seriously went out the window last season. That said; as I said in my first paragraph, Caleb could absolutely wind-up being a bust, but it won't be because of OTA or training camp performance.
I know you express a popular view. I just feel his talent is really great and one of the biggest knocks on him was playing too much hero ball at USC, passing up on open plays right in front of him to go big game hunting. He has to take most of the easy reads in the NFL and take the big shots when down and situation dictate. If he resists this, it could be a steep learning curve for him. But he does seem smarter than that with a desire to be great. We'll see.
I think guys who do well in these settings aer ones who already know the offense, because it is second nature to them on the mental side, thus allowing for more just natural throwing.
New guys are processing (not that bullshit processing that non experts here use like candy) all the play calls, the play design, the cadence, the audibles, the change of plays and then into the passing... Guys will be inaccurate becuase the passing part becomes the least important aspect as it is more thinking pass than instinctively and athletically throwing it.. That stuff should calm down come training camp.
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but not because of his performance in OTAs. USC QBs don't have the best track record in the NFL; and neither do the Bears with drafting/developing QBs.
That said, his performance in this OTA practice means nothing. Remember, last year in training camp (which is far closer to the regular season that OTAs in May); the Giants offense was humming according to ALL of the beat writers, and in their one series in the pre-season (against the Panthers); the starting offense was fantastic.
And, despite their great performance in training camp and the one series in the Panthers pre-season game; when the regular season came long; the starting offense was absolute dogshit.
So, me taking OTA or even training camp performance for offense seriously went out the window last season. That said; as I said in my first paragraph, Caleb could absolutely wind-up being a bust, but it won't be because of OTA or training camp performance.
I know you express a popular view. I just feel his talent is really great and one of the biggest knocks on him was playing too much hero ball at USC, passing up on open plays right in front of him to go big game hunting. He has to take most of the easy reads in the NFL and take the big shots when down and situation dictate. If he resists this, it could be a steep learning curve for him. But he does seem smarter than that with a desire to be great. We'll see.
Besides the hero ball tendencies and turnovers, I also want to see how Caleb Williams reacts to adversity. He has always been “the guy” and was trying to leverage that in the draft process. I do believe he has people around him who are like LaVar Ball or Cam Newton’s father. That doesn’t necessarily work at NFL level especially if team is struggling. You watch Mahomes and he is amazing about never taking the credit and always taking the blame and overall working the media.
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but not because of his performance in OTAs. USC QBs don't have the best track record in the NFL; and neither do the Bears with drafting/developing QBs.
That said, his performance in this OTA practice means nothing. Remember, last year in training camp (which is far closer to the regular season that OTAs in May); the Giants offense was humming according to ALL of the beat writers, and in their one series in the pre-season (against the Panthers); the starting offense was fantastic.
And, despite their great performance in training camp and the one series in the Panthers pre-season game; when the regular season came long; the starting offense was absolute dogshit.
I know you express a popular view. I just feel his talent is really great and one of the biggest knocks on him was playing too much hero ball at USC, passing up on open plays right in front of him to go big game hunting. He has to take most of the easy reads in the NFL and take the big shots when down and situation dictate. If he resists this, it could be a steep learning curve for him. But he does seem smarter than that with a desire to be great. We'll see.
The situation you describe reminds me of a similar situation that occurred in New Jersey a few years back where the rookie QB who showed a lot of promise and a willingness to throw the ball downfield but had a lot of turnovers was encouraged by the new HC to play a more conservative “take what they give you” game. Do you want to see how that turned out?
Was it Maye or bust for you?
That being said, I love cheering for a good dog/cinderella story so right now I hope Danny figures it out. It could be a fun year to pull for this team if he does.
Grain of salt, I’d say boulder
No QBs are HOFers from their first practice snap onward
You haven’t heard? If a guy doesn’t look good right away, you trade him while he still has value, punt the season, and draft several QBs again next year. That’s how you build a team. Learn up.
I have a friend who insists as well that Caleb will be a bust. He seems to be rather polarizing, like he's the next Mahomes or next Fields with nothing in between.
QBs that are drafted for athleticism and measurables will always be under the microscope, for that very reason.....it helps bail them out of bad situations.
And at the college level, even good defenses aren't enough to vet QBs necessarily when you think about how hard it is to smother receivers versus the NFL level.
Ehhhhh....not always
That guy had as much arm talent as I've ever seen. Had a howitzer arm yet could still throw with a soft touch. Just was a mental midget.
Better to go here with an elite QB prospect in hand.