When scouts compare you to Larry Fitzgerald, you know Odunze will be a solid pro. Everything I’ve seen from that kids screams 10 year Pro Bowl receiver.
When scouts compare you to Larry Fitzgerald, you know Odunze will be a solid pro. Everything I’ve seen from that kids screams 10 year Pro Bowl receiver.
yeah, I agree.
RE: Im not afraid to admit that I wanted Odunze over Nabers
When scouts compare you to Larry Fitzgerald, you know Odunze will be a solid pro. Everything I’ve seen from that kids screams 10 year Pro Bowl receiver.
Odunze was always amazing to listen to as an interview leading up to the draft. Very poised and mature for his age. That being said, similar to a Mike Evans he had a lot more contested passes than you would expect in college from a guy with his skill set. However, not everyone turns out like Mike Evans in the NFL.
For what Daboll wants. Odunze will have a great career, but I don't think we're going to regret our pick. I also don't think Nabers would have made it to Chicago.
When scouts compare you to Larry Fitzgerald, you know Odunze will be a solid pro. Everything I’ve seen from that kids screams 10 year Pro Bowl receiver.
me too.
RE: Anyone else annoyed by the GM chomping on his gum?
I wonder what it would have been like in there if they weren't being recorded.
Like was that staged so to speak with only Poles doing the talking and people basically so quiet you can hear a pin drop or would it otherwise have been chaos leading up to their 2nd pick.
I do wonder if the Giants could have called Poles and said we're going to take Rome unless you trade up. Give us #9 and next years 2nd and 3rd (for the Giants to possibly use as ammo to move up in 2025) I think Nabers will be good, but it would have been worth it to get those picks and I'm not positive Nabers still wouldn't have been available at 9.
I wonder what it would have been like in there if they weren't being recorded.
Like was that staged so to speak with only Poles doing the talking and people basically so quiet you can hear a pin drop or would it otherwise have been chaos leading up to their 2nd pick.
I do wonder if the Giants could have called Poles and said we're going to take Rome unless you trade up. Give us #9 and next years 2nd and 3rd (for the Giants to possibly use as ammo to move up in 2025) I think Nabers will be good, but it would have been worth it to get those picks and I'm not positive Nabers still wouldn't have been available at 9.
The problem is they were concerned about a team like Minnesota trading up with Tennessee if Chicago took Odunze. I do think Minnesota was tempted by WR considering Kevin O’Connell’s offensive background is more 11 personnel.
RE: Anyone else annoyed by the GM chomping on his gum?
But it would be interesting to see the conversations about the fall back plan if Odunze wasn’t there. These videos are good and hope we get some of them from draft night from the Giants (although the good stuff of trying to trade up and fall back plans will not be shown).
Exciting offseason for the Bears with Williams and Odunze coming in with DJ Moore already there.
RE: Im not afraid to admit that I wanted Odunze over Nabers
I wonder what it would have been like in there if they weren't being recorded.
Like was that staged so to speak with only Poles doing the talking and people basically so quiet you can hear a pin drop or would it otherwise have been chaos leading up to their 2nd pick.
I do wonder if the Giants could have called Poles and said we're going to take Rome unless you trade up. Give us #9 and next years 2nd and 3rd (for the Giants to possibly use as ammo to move up in 2025) I think Nabers will be good, but it would have been worth it to get those picks and I'm not positive Nabers still wouldn't have been available at 9.
The problem is they were concerned about a team like Minnesota trading up with Tennessee if Chicago took Odunze. I do think Minnesota was tempted by WR considering Kevin O’Connell’s offensive background is more 11 personnel.
seeing how it played out though, MIN taking McCarthy has to indicate they think he's a franchise QB, right? I have a hard believing a team would pass on a franchise QB for even a potentially elite WR.
RE: Their room at 1:20 on the video when Atl took Penix
...is probably every team #9-#32 lol. What a stupid pick by Atlanta.
Brilliant pick by Atlanta. In the past three drafts they had added WR London, TE Pitts, and RB Robinson; they didn't need another skill position player and the defensive prospects weren't worth a top ten pick, so they took the QB who was my favorite in the draft. It's never a stupid move to take a QB in the top ten who is worthy of a top ten pick. I don't care who your current starter is at the time.
Alt is definitely the better prospect, but I’m not sure how he will fit in at Right Tackle, since the Chargers have their LT in Rashawn Slayer. Seems like the Chargers could have traded down and gotten Latham to be their RT opposite Slater.
RE: Anyone else annoyed by the GM chomping on his gum?
The thing I noticed is Poles is wearing a suit and tie but you have to wonder what he has on his feet. Looks like no socks and those sketcher things or maybe even slippers! I guess when you're the boss!
The thing I noticed is Poles is wearing a suit and tie but you have to wonder what he has on his feet. Looks like no socks and those sketcher things or maybe even slippers! I guess when you're the boss!
That has been a style for the past few years. Not uncommon at all.
I wonder what it would have been like in there if they weren't being recorded.
Like was that staged so to speak with only Poles doing the talking and people basically so quiet you can hear a pin drop or would it otherwise have been chaos leading up to their 2nd pick.
I do wonder if the Giants could have called Poles and said we're going to take Rome unless you trade up. Give us #9 and next years 2nd and 3rd (for the Giants to possibly use as ammo to move up in 2025) I think Nabers will be good, but it would have been worth it to get those picks and I'm not positive Nabers still wouldn't have been available at 9.
The problem is they were concerned about a team like Minnesota trading up with Tennessee if Chicago took Odunze. I do think Minnesota was tempted by WR considering Kevin O’Connell’s offensive background is more 11 personnel.
seeing how it played out though, MIN taking McCarthy has to indicate they think he's a franchise QB, right? I have a hard believing a team would pass on a franchise QB for even a potentially elite WR.
Or they had a substantial gap between McCarthy and Nix and figured that they could trade back up to get a defensive player. Denver was in "full bloom love" with Nix, Jets and New Orleans were looking OL, and the Raiders had bigger fish to fry than edge rusher. Minnesota probably had conversations with Jacksonville in advance of the draft so they knew once Atlanta went Penix rather than Latu or Turner that at least one would fall to 17
...is probably every team #9-#32 lol. What a stupid pick by Atlanta.
Brilliant pick by Atlanta. In the past three drafts they had added WR London, TE Pitts, and RB Robinson; they didn't need another skill position player and the defensive prospects weren't worth a top ten pick, so they took the QB who was my favorite in the draft. It's never a stupid move to take a QB in the top ten who is worthy of a top ten pick. I don't care who your current starter is at the time.
That is all true in a world in which the salary cap does not exist.
Pre draft put me down for hoping the Giants were going to draft
JJ McCarthy. Obviously the GM and HC did not think drafting JJM was their best chance to win. I'll defer to their evaluation regardless of how JJM plays for the Vikings. I think the 2024 Vikings are a great situation for a rookie QB and that the Giants are not. I was not in favor of a trade up or down or Pennix or Nix in round 1.
If they weren't going to pick JJM my next hope was that Nabers would be the pick over both Harrison Jr and Odunze. I know MHj was already gone before the Giants picked and that I'm not qualified to make that choice, but I did anyway.
My reasoning is I think the Giants GM and HC are trying to build an identity as a very fast offense, a speed team. Both play speed fast and get the ball out fast to players who can quickly separate and create YAC. That type of offense takes pressure off the QB and the OL I think Nabers is a better fit for a fast, speed team than Odunze. I also hope Nabers outgoing personality and attitude will be welcome on game day.
The Gaints GM and HC have had 3 drafts. They have used a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round draft pick on WR's Their first draft they brought in Wan'Dale Robinson who has shown promise as player in the slot who can separate. Their 2nd draft they brought in Jalin Hyatt who is less of a separator but is a blazing fast potential deep threat. By adding Nabers this year they now have a potential #1 WR who profiles as a separator with elite speed.
I think the 4th pick at TE and 5th pick at RB this year are part of the speed plan too. I think the reason that Dante Miller has a chance to make the team (or at least the practice squad) is because he would add even more speed if he can earn a spot.
Even the very best Giants teams would never be considered speed teams. If the coaches can get close to league average play from their QB and OL the Giants offense could be very entertaining to watch in 2024.
most industries have moved on from that. Plus that guy was barefoot there with his suit on. I mean.. if you can lose the socks and shoes, then why keep the jacket and tie?
We interviewed Poles before hiring Schoen. Right now, I'd rather have the former as the GM.
I'm curious as to why. Poles traded down from #1 overall for a ridiculous haul thanks to Tepper. He passed on CJ Stroud to trade down. Traded a high 2nd for Chase Claypool. Due to the Panthers incompetence he was able to make that trade which led to Caleb Williams. I don't think Poles has done any better than Schoen necessarily.
We interviewed Poles before hiring Schoen. Right now, I'd rather have the former as the GM.
I'm curious as to why. Poles traded down from #1 overall for a ridiculous haul thanks to Tepper. He passed on CJ Stroud to trade down. Traded a high 2nd for Chase Claypool. Due to the Panthers incompetence he was able to make that trade which led to Caleb Williams. I don't think Poles has done any better than Schoen necessarily.
I'm not advocating for a Poles vs Schoen comparison or picking a side, but this is a biased way to look it. Almost like you have a conclusion and you are putting together opinions to help you reach your conclusion.
Maybe in 2023 Poles felt like putting Young or Stroud (or any 2023 QB) on his team would be unproductive and damage the young QB (no pun intended) and instead convinced CAR to make a lopsided trade (in today's terms no one knows how it will turn out). And that trade allowed CHI to get their stalwart RT (if Wright pans out), land the #1 QB in the draft a year later and get their preferred WR (if you believe them to be honest about their WR preference) and add a veteran elite WR in DJ Moore. Plus he knew CHI would likely struggle in 2023 and realized Rome wasn't built in a day and 2024 would be a "QB rich" draft and likely give them the chance to get a QB again even not #1 overall.
To simply chalk that trade up to Carolina's "incompetence" is not really being fair.
Lastly, Young was the closer consensus to #1 overall pick even before CHI traded out of #1. And while I don't think Young was quite the disaster others do, he definitely didn't cover himself in glory year 1. So, if Young does wind up a bust does that change things? it's easy to say Stroud is awesome or if Anthony Richardson pans out - he could have been their QB or name your player, but if CHI kept the pick and they picked chalk and took Young maybe it was even worse.
That's all fair. My main issue is positively comparing Poles to Schoen. If Schoen earned the number 1 pick in the 2023 draft, he'd have many more options than picking 25th overall. Poles has gotten more breaks.
That's a major check in Poles's column when compared to Schoen.
And if the Giants went 3-14 and 7-10 in 2022 & 2023 Jones would have been long gone.
They just went 6-11 and he's still here. I don't know if we can make that assumption. But even if we can, paying Jones off 2022 is still inexcusably foolish, and it's the one action that defines Schoen's tenure here.
I'm saying there is context around the Schoen & Poles comparison. Poles didn't have to deal with an overachieving playoff season which resulted in a playoff win and his owner making comments about how Fields is their franchise QB.
I'm saying there is context around the Schoen & Poles comparison. Poles didn't have to deal with an overachieving playoff season which resulted in a playoff win and his owner making comments about how Fields is their franchise QB.
It's an important piece to acknowledge.
That's not unfair, but I can't give Schoen that consideration after he just passed up such a golden opportunity to move on this offseason.
I'm viewing this as "Jones is Schoen's guy". If (when) Jones and the Giants stink again in 2024 that's on Schoen as much as anybody.
He had 3 years to improve the situation. He's only made it worse.
I'm saying there is context around the Schoen & Poles comparison. Poles didn't have to deal with an overachieving playoff season which resulted in a playoff win and his owner making comments about how Fields is their franchise QB.
It's an important piece to acknowledge.
On one hand you say you are not excusing Schoen, but on the other hand you are not holding him accountable for missing on Jones. That's kind of excusing him. He did not have to extend Jones despite having them misfortune of a "overachieving playoff season" lol. Obviously 20/20 hind sight to say it now, but a lot of people felt it at the time and said it, the FT was a better move.
I'm saying there is context around the Schoen & Poles comparison. Poles didn't have to deal with an overachieving playoff season which resulted in a playoff win and his owner making comments about how Fields is their franchise QB.
It's an important piece to acknowledge.
On one hand you say you are not excusing Schoen, but on the other hand you are not holding him accountable for missing on Jones. That's kind of excusing him. He did not have to extend Jones despite having them misfortune of a "overachieving playoff season" lol. Obviously 20/20 hind sight to say it now, but a lot of people felt it at the time and said it, the FT was a better move.
I view the Giants as a committee. They all collaborated and came to the conclusion that signing Jones was the path they wanted to take. In no world do I think Schoen had to convince ownership of that decision. It was ownerships preferred outcome.
It is Schoen's job to do what's best for the organization and part of that is selling that vision to ownership. I think it's very likely that Schoen bought into Jones and likes him, but we know Mara did and does too.
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Odunze was always amazing to listen to as an interview leading up to the draft. Very poised and mature for his age. That being said, similar to a Mike Evans he had a lot more contested passes than you would expect in college from a guy with his skill set. However, not everyone turns out like Mike Evans in the NFL.
You'd have to think we're going to get an entire draft episode, if not more, right?
He is full of shit.
Sounds like the same BS on Giants trading up for Alt.
me too.
My first thought. How hard is it to close your mouth?
Like was that staged so to speak with only Poles doing the talking and people basically so quiet you can hear a pin drop or would it otherwise have been chaos leading up to their 2nd pick.
I do wonder if the Giants could have called Poles and said we're going to take Rome unless you trade up. Give us #9 and next years 2nd and 3rd (for the Giants to possibly use as ammo to move up in 2025) I think Nabers will be good, but it would have been worth it to get those picks and I'm not positive Nabers still wouldn't have been available at 9.
Like was that staged so to speak with only Poles doing the talking and people basically so quiet you can hear a pin drop or would it otherwise have been chaos leading up to their 2nd pick.
I do wonder if the Giants could have called Poles and said we're going to take Rome unless you trade up. Give us #9 and next years 2nd and 3rd (for the Giants to possibly use as ammo to move up in 2025) I think Nabers will be good, but it would have been worth it to get those picks and I'm not positive Nabers still wouldn't have been available at 9.
The problem is they were concerned about a team like Minnesota trading up with Tennessee if Chicago took Odunze. I do think Minnesota was tempted by WR considering Kevin O’Connell’s offensive background is more 11 personnel.
Ha, I noticed that too. It seemed like 2 pieces too. Enough to be noticeable.
Exciting offseason for the Bears with Williams and Odunze coming in with DJ Moore already there.
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I wonder what it would have been like in there if they weren't being recorded.
Like was that staged so to speak with only Poles doing the talking and people basically so quiet you can hear a pin drop or would it otherwise have been chaos leading up to their 2nd pick.
I do wonder if the Giants could have called Poles and said we're going to take Rome unless you trade up. Give us #9 and next years 2nd and 3rd (for the Giants to possibly use as ammo to move up in 2025) I think Nabers will be good, but it would have been worth it to get those picks and I'm not positive Nabers still wouldn't have been available at 9.
The problem is they were concerned about a team like Minnesota trading up with Tennessee if Chicago took Odunze. I do think Minnesota was tempted by WR considering Kevin O’Connell’s offensive background is more 11 personnel.
seeing how it played out though, MIN taking McCarthy has to indicate they think he's a franchise QB, right? I have a hard believing a team would pass on a franchise QB for even a potentially elite WR.
Odunze size and contested catches caught my attention. In addition to the Fitzgerald references by others too.
We had OBJ and didn't win with him , figured if the same type of player with less around him consider another route.
Alt is definitely the better prospect, but I’m not sure how he will fit in at Right Tackle, since the Chargers have their LT in Rashawn Slayer. Seems like the Chargers could have traded down and gotten Latham to be their RT opposite Slater.
Haha...thought the same thing. Keep the damn gum in your mouth at least, you look kind of disgusting.
That has been a style for the past few years. Not uncommon at all.
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I wonder what it would have been like in there if they weren't being recorded.
Like was that staged so to speak with only Poles doing the talking and people basically so quiet you can hear a pin drop or would it otherwise have been chaos leading up to their 2nd pick.
I do wonder if the Giants could have called Poles and said we're going to take Rome unless you trade up. Give us #9 and next years 2nd and 3rd (for the Giants to possibly use as ammo to move up in 2025) I think Nabers will be good, but it would have been worth it to get those picks and I'm not positive Nabers still wouldn't have been available at 9.
The problem is they were concerned about a team like Minnesota trading up with Tennessee if Chicago took Odunze. I do think Minnesota was tempted by WR considering Kevin O’Connell’s offensive background is more 11 personnel.
seeing how it played out though, MIN taking McCarthy has to indicate they think he's a franchise QB, right? I have a hard believing a team would pass on a franchise QB for even a potentially elite WR.
Or they had a substantial gap between McCarthy and Nix and figured that they could trade back up to get a defensive player. Denver was in "full bloom love" with Nix, Jets and New Orleans were looking OL, and the Raiders had bigger fish to fry than edge rusher. Minnesota probably had conversations with Jacksonville in advance of the draft so they knew once Atlanta went Penix rather than Latu or Turner that at least one would fall to 17
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...is probably every team #9-#32 lol. What a stupid pick by Atlanta.
Brilliant pick by Atlanta. In the past three drafts they had added WR London, TE Pitts, and RB Robinson; they didn't need another skill position player and the defensive prospects weren't worth a top ten pick, so they took the QB who was my favorite in the draft. It's never a stupid move to take a QB in the top ten who is worthy of a top ten pick. I don't care who your current starter is at the time.
That is all true in a world in which the salary cap does not exist.
If they weren't going to pick JJM my next hope was that Nabers would be the pick over both Harrison Jr and Odunze. I know MHj was already gone before the Giants picked and that I'm not qualified to make that choice, but I did anyway.
My reasoning is I think the Giants GM and HC are trying to build an identity as a very fast offense, a speed team. Both play speed fast and get the ball out fast to players who can quickly separate and create YAC. That type of offense takes pressure off the QB and the OL I think Nabers is a better fit for a fast, speed team than Odunze. I also hope Nabers outgoing personality and attitude will be welcome on game day.
The Gaints GM and HC have had 3 drafts. They have used a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round draft pick on WR's Their first draft they brought in Wan'Dale Robinson who has shown promise as player in the slot who can separate. Their 2nd draft they brought in Jalin Hyatt who is less of a separator but is a blazing fast potential deep threat. By adding Nabers this year they now have a potential #1 WR who profiles as a separator with elite speed.
I think the 4th pick at TE and 5th pick at RB this year are part of the speed plan too. I think the reason that Dante Miller has a chance to make the team (or at least the practice squad) is because he would add even more speed if he can earn a spot.
Even the very best Giants teams would never be considered speed teams. If the coaches can get close to league average play from their QB and OL the Giants offense could be very entertaining to watch in 2024.
I'm curious as to why. Poles traded down from #1 overall for a ridiculous haul thanks to Tepper. He passed on CJ Stroud to trade down. Traded a high 2nd for Chase Claypool. Due to the Panthers incompetence he was able to make that trade which led to Caleb Williams. I don't think Poles has done any better than Schoen necessarily.
We need to be fair in what happened. Poles had a much easier & luckier track.
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We interviewed Poles before hiring Schoen. Right now, I'd rather have the former as the GM.
I'm curious as to why. Poles traded down from #1 overall for a ridiculous haul thanks to Tepper. He passed on CJ Stroud to trade down. Traded a high 2nd for Chase Claypool. Due to the Panthers incompetence he was able to make that trade which led to Caleb Williams. I don't think Poles has done any better than Schoen necessarily.
I'm not advocating for a Poles vs Schoen comparison or picking a side, but this is a biased way to look it. Almost like you have a conclusion and you are putting together opinions to help you reach your conclusion.
Maybe in 2023 Poles felt like putting Young or Stroud (or any 2023 QB) on his team would be unproductive and damage the young QB (no pun intended) and instead convinced CAR to make a lopsided trade (in today's terms no one knows how it will turn out). And that trade allowed CHI to get their stalwart RT (if Wright pans out), land the #1 QB in the draft a year later and get their preferred WR (if you believe them to be honest about their WR preference) and add a veteran elite WR in DJ Moore. Plus he knew CHI would likely struggle in 2023 and realized Rome wasn't built in a day and 2024 would be a "QB rich" draft and likely give them the chance to get a QB again even not #1 overall.
To simply chalk that trade up to Carolina's "incompetence" is not really being fair.
Lastly, Young was the closer consensus to #1 overall pick even before CHI traded out of #1. And while I don't think Young was quite the disaster others do, he definitely didn't cover himself in glory year 1. So, if Young does wind up a bust does that change things? it's easy to say Stroud is awesome or if Anthony Richardson pans out - he could have been their QB or name your player, but if CHI kept the pick and they picked chalk and took Young maybe it was even worse.
That's a major check in Poles's column when compared to Schoen.
That's a major check in Poles's column when compared to Schoen.
And if the Giants went 3-14 and 7-10 in 2022 & 2023 Jones would have been long gone.
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Instead, he traded him.
That's a major check in Poles's column when compared to Schoen.
And if the Giants went 3-14 and 7-10 in 2022 & 2023 Jones would have been long gone.
They just went 6-11 and he's still here. I don't know if we can make that assumption. But even if we can, paying Jones off 2022 is still inexcusably foolish, and it's the one action that defines Schoen's tenure here.
It's an important piece to acknowledge.
It's an important piece to acknowledge.
That's not unfair, but I can't give Schoen that consideration after he just passed up such a golden opportunity to move on this offseason.
I'm viewing this as "Jones is Schoen's guy". If (when) Jones and the Giants stink again in 2024 that's on Schoen as much as anybody.
He had 3 years to improve the situation. He's only made it worse.
It's an important piece to acknowledge.
On one hand you say you are not excusing Schoen, but on the other hand you are not holding him accountable for missing on Jones. That's kind of excusing him. He did not have to extend Jones despite having them misfortune of a "overachieving playoff season" lol. Obviously 20/20 hind sight to say it now, but a lot of people felt it at the time and said it, the FT was a better move.
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I'm saying there is context around the Schoen & Poles comparison. Poles didn't have to deal with an overachieving playoff season which resulted in a playoff win and his owner making comments about how Fields is their franchise QB.
It's an important piece to acknowledge.
On one hand you say you are not excusing Schoen, but on the other hand you are not holding him accountable for missing on Jones. That's kind of excusing him. He did not have to extend Jones despite having them misfortune of a "overachieving playoff season" lol. Obviously 20/20 hind sight to say it now, but a lot of people felt it at the time and said it, the FT was a better move.
I view the Giants as a committee. They all collaborated and came to the conclusion that signing Jones was the path they wanted to take. In no world do I think Schoen had to convince ownership of that decision. It was ownerships preferred outcome.
It is Schoen's job to do what's best for the organization and part of that is selling that vision to ownership. I think it's very likely that Schoen bought into Jones and likes him, but we know Mara did and does too.
Schoen is 15-18-1
Poles is 10-24
Poles has had 4 top 10 picks (1st pick was traded to Carolina for a haul)
Schoen has had 3 top 10 picks.
Poles did not come in with the cap restrictions that schoen did, but hey if some would prefer Poles then so be it.
I personally don't see anything he has done to think he is better than Schoen.
Schoen is 15-18-1
Poles is 10-24
Poles has had 4 top 10 picks (1st pick was traded to Carolina for a haul)
Schoen has had 3 top 10 picks.
Poles did not come in with the cap restrictions that schoen did, but hey if some would prefer Poles then so be it.
I personally don't see anything he has done to think he is better than Schoen.
It's not an apples to apples comparison. I agree.