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NFT: Game 2: Florida Panthers @ New York Rangers Game Thread

BrettNYG10 : 5/24/2024 12:00 am
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Whole line up  
bluesince56 : 5/24/2024 5:30 pm : link
Rangers projected lineup

Chris Kreider -- Mika Zibanejad -- Filip Chytil

Artemi Panarin -- Vincent Trocheck -- Alexis Lafreniere

Will Cuylle -- Alex Wennberg -- Jack Roslovic

Jimmy Vesey -- Barclay Goodrow -- Matt Rempe

Ryan Lindgren -- Adam Fox

K'Andre Miller -- Jacob Trouba

Erik Gustafsson -- Braden Schneider

Igor Shesterkin
Kakko  
Talisman_52 : 5/24/2024 5:54 pm : link
Oof, another playoff benching for Kakko. I hope he handles this one a little better.

The kid needs a different off-season program. He needs to be able to do more in the offensive zone than just cycle the puck. He really needs to learn how to drive to the net with the puck.
RE: RE: RE: Kakko leads the team in xGF with 59.9%  
Bear vs Shark : 5/24/2024 5:59 pm : link
In comment 16524122 vonritz said:
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In comment 16524113 Greg from LI said:


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And has been on the ice for only two opposition goals through the playoffs. Sure, he's the problem.

Yeah, I get it, he's not scoring. But he isn't hurting them either, not by a long shot.



A third line winger is controlling puck possession, playing great defensive hockey, but not scoring... I mean, that's why he's on the third line.



No, that's why he should be on the 4th line or AHL
wtf is people's problem with KK? AHL? Really?

I think benching him is really stupid. Part of the reason getting chytil back is big is because him and kappo have chemistry. He MAKES kappo better.

Hopefully the refs don't call a phantom penalty on Rempe that costs us...
RE: Whole line up  
Ron Johnson : 5/24/2024 6:20 pm : link
In comment 16524158 bluesince56 said:
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Rangers projected lineup

Chris Kreider -- Mika Zibanejad -- Filip Chytil

Artemi Panarin -- Vincent Trocheck -- Alexis Lafreniere

Will Cuylle -- Alex Wennberg -- Jack Roslovic

Jimmy Vesey -- Barclay Goodrow -- Matt Rempe

Ryan Lindgren -- Adam Fox

K'Andre Miller -- Jacob Trouba

Erik Gustafsson -- Braden Schneider

Igor Shesterkin



I love the Rangers but never played the game and don’t know a lot of the subtleties. Is there any way that changing 3 of 4 lines isn’t panicking?
RE: RE: Blueshirts  
dlauster : 5/24/2024 6:22 pm : link
In comment 16524100 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 16523825 dlauster said:

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need to put on their big boy pants tonight. Hidden in the Kreider hat trick show for the ages is 8 periods of very bad hockey in the last three games.


dlauster, posted the following in SCP thread after Game 6 win over CAR and before Wed night:

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Since 2022, I've critiqued CK (and Zib) loud and often for their disappearing acts in SCP. It's a good thing I wasn't around last week because I may not have been able to hold my tongue through periods 1 and 2 Thursday night (still haven't seen it) and would likely have eaten major crow. But Thursday is not the end of it, it only marked a new beginning. I will almost guarantee that the team's bi-polar ability is alive and well. Every team has its periods of poor play and wtf moments, it just seems like the Rangers' are uglier than most. Valiquette doesn't spare them (or the 'less than 100%' of particular players), he speaks in code. You're in good company.



Roslovic (Kyle spot on earlier: his mind-numbingly unnecessary high stick behind Bob's net essentially ended the team's great start to 2nd and he is a fly by checker, i.e., he doesn't) and Wennberg have been underwhelming at best, not the Copp and Vatrano of '22. All the folks clamoring for Chytil to play more--I don't know what they expect from a guy who hasn't played since November due to a debilitating injury/condition.
And a bunch of us said it then: Lavvy's benching of Jones with 5-6 games left in regular season was a mistake: yeah, he's not big and not esp. physical and he's a mismatch for FLA's powerful Fs, but right now Fox is hobbled and it's also affecting his decision making.


Thats not my quote….
RE: RE: Whole line up  
BrettNYG10 : 5/24/2024 6:29 pm : link
In comment 16524179 Ron Johnson said:
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In comment 16524158 bluesince56 said:


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Rangers projected lineup

Chris Kreider -- Mika Zibanejad -- Filip Chytil

Artemi Panarin -- Vincent Trocheck -- Alexis Lafreniere

Will Cuylle -- Alex Wennberg -- Jack Roslovic

Jimmy Vesey -- Barclay Goodrow -- Matt Rempe

Ryan Lindgren -- Adam Fox

K'Andre Miller -- Jacob Trouba

Erik Gustafsson -- Braden Schneider

Igor Shesterkin




I love the Rangers but never played the game and don’t know a lot of the subtleties. Is there any way that changing 3 of 4 lines isn’t panicking?


I don't think it's a big deal. Guys practice together, got ice time together during the year, etc.
Unless KK is hurt  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/24/2024 6:44 pm : link
I don't get benching him. Seems like Roslovic is the obvious candidate if you have to get Rempe in the lineup.

As far as 73 goes, there seem to be a decent amount of smart hockey guys that feel he should be dressed. Maybe there is some sort of 4D Chess that I don't see - maybe he attracts enough attention from Tkachuk, Cousins, Bennet, etc that Fla gets off their game? Just spitballing here...

Listened to some NHL network on Sirius while driving today. Consistent point was that Rempe or no Rempe, KK or no KK, if the top 6 don't put the puck in the net, none of that matters. Obvious point, but likely correct.

We'll see how this goes. I'm generally a pessimist, but feel strangely confident tonight.
Unless it's Drury  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2024 7:02 pm : link
calling the lineup shots (not sure) two separate head coaches have sat Kakko in the playoffs.

I don't think coaches are omniscient and can't get it wrong sometimes but when there's a pattern you have to wonder what as fans we don't see.

I am surprised Kakko is a healthy scratch and I mentioned his lack of offensive success, maybe the coaches think in an environment when they can control match ups to an extent and "shelter" Rempe that his positive influence on the lineup outweighs Kakko's.

It does seem a little panicked to me. I did not agree with others about game 1. I thought the Rangers played ok in game 1. a flukey goal plus a seemingly soft goal vs Bobrovsky stopping all the HD scoring chances was the difference in the outcome. The Rangers didn't dominate zone play, but I don't think they did against CAR either. FLA had less HD scoring chances I believe.
I trust  
bluesince56 : 5/24/2024 7:15 pm : link
Lavy
Discreetly googles omniscient...  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/24/2024 7:17 pm : link
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Stop turning the freaking puck over in D zone  
Rick in Dallas : 5/24/2024 7:22 pm : link
When you get a scoring opportunity bury it.
You can’t go 10+ minutes in a period without a shot.
PP must score a goal tonight
Time for the top 6 forwards to make a difference
RE: RE: RE: Blueshirts  
ColHowPepper : 5/24/2024 7:30 pm : link
In comment 16524180 dlauster said:
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In comment 16524100 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 16523825 dlauster said:
Quote: need to put on their big boy pants tonight. Hidden in the Kreider hat trick show for the ages is 8 periods of very bad hockey in the last three games.///////

dlauster, posted the following in SCP thread after Game 6 win over CAR and before Wed night:

dlauster, no, it was not your quote, that's why there's a comma after your name, it was my quote
kyle  
ColHowPepper : 5/24/2024 7:32 pm : link
memo received, duly noted! (:

And a LOL: Maurice's quote a few hours ago:

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I don't give a flying fuck if Rempe is in the game....
RE: kyle  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2024 7:43 pm : link
In comment 16524210 ColHowPepper said:
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memo received, duly noted! (:

And a LOL: Maurice's quote a few hours ago:



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I don't give a flying fuck if Rempe is in the game....



he said that before game 1 too when he was hounded by the media asking him questions about Rempe. I think fans (and even the media) make more of a deal about him than some teams do.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Blueshirts  
dlauster : 5/24/2024 7:45 pm : link
In comment 16524207 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 16524180 dlauster said:


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In comment 16524100 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 16523825 dlauster said:
Quote: need to put on their big boy pants tonight. Hidden in the Kreider hat trick show for the ages is 8 periods of very bad hockey in the last three games.///////

dlauster, posted the following in SCP thread after Game 6 win over CAR and before Wed night:


dlauster, no, it was not your quote, that's why there's a comma after your name, it was my quote


Got it! Sorry.
The chemistry of the 3rd line hasn’t been great with Cullye off of it.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/24/2024 7:46 pm : link
I think a big part of Rempe being out there is that he’ll park his ass right in front of Bobrovsky. There wasn’t enough of that in game one. Hopefully he won’t make any glaring defensive zone errors.

As others have said, the defensive zone turnovers have to stop. It would be one thing if it were the result of forechecking, but quite a few of the turnovers were flubs and dumb decisions.
I've said it since they acquired him  
Gman11 : 5/24/2024 7:55 pm : link
Roslovic stinks. I was hoping they would get a proven goal scorer like Guentzel or even Tarasenko, but they went to the bargain bin to get Roslovic and Wennberg (Nothingburger).

I think the biggest problem with Kakko is that he was a second overall pick so people expect more than a defensively responsible forward. I can't say I blame them, but at this point, he is what he is. You don't evaluate his play based on his draft status years ago. Since Lavvy was not in charge when they drafted him, I tend to think what he sees in Kakko is not all that great.
That was sweet  
rnargi : 5/24/2024 8:24 pm : link
...good start
Florida has to get penalized, right?  
schabadoo : 5/24/2024 8:25 pm : link
Has to be a PP.
......  
Route 9 : 5/24/2024 8:31 pm : link
Rempe knocking boys around
Stopping the entry with the body  
rnargi : 5/24/2024 8:38 pm : link
So far. Love it.
Think ESPN say anything about FL  
rnargi : 5/24/2024 8:40 pm : link
Having just 1 shot through almost 10 mins?
9MG that was dirty  
rnargi : 5/24/2024 8:41 pm : link
...wow...
......  
Route 9 : 5/24/2024 8:42 pm : link
Head contact
......  
Route 9 : 5/24/2024 8:42 pm : link
LOL
Unbelievable  
rnargi : 5/24/2024 8:42 pm : link
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That  
AcidTest : 5/24/2024 8:43 pm : link
should have been a five minute major penalty. The main point of contact was the head, not the body. He also lined him up. It wasn't a "bang bang" play. And the Rangers player didn't have the puck.
If that’s not a 5 min major  
redbeard : 5/24/2024 8:46 pm : link
I’m at a loss
They start stick checicking, can't stop the forecheck  
rnargi : 5/24/2024 9:00 pm : link
And boom PP and goal
That was a horseshit penalty!!!  
Anakim : 5/24/2024 9:01 pm : link
WTF? Either that was a dive or you don’t call that.


Horrendous call
These announcers are a real chore  
TheOtherManning : 5/24/2024 9:02 pm : link
Refs not much better.
Rangers better get the next goal  
The_Boss : 5/24/2024 9:03 pm : link
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I’m still furious over that call  
Anakim : 5/24/2024 9:03 pm : link
That’s one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen. Goodrow barely touched Barkov, but because Barkov fell they called interference. And it ended up costing us.

Horrendous call
What's Lindgren doing standing  
rnargi : 5/24/2024 9:04 pm : link
And watching instead of clearing the crease?
RE: I’m still furious over that call  
Kanavis : 5/24/2024 9:06 pm : link
In comment 16524243 Anakim said:
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That’s one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen. Goodrow barely touched Barkov, but because Barkov fell they called interference. And it ended up costing us.

Horrendous call


He wasnt touched and then spun around and fell. They have to be better than this in the playoffs.
I just have no confidence we can match the intensity  
Essex : 5/24/2024 9:11 pm : link
For 60 minutes and if we can’t, we are going to lose this series quickly. The last six or seven minutes we were gassed and it just couldn’t keep up.
RE: I just have no confidence we can match the intensity  
rnargi : 5/24/2024 9:15 pm : link
In comment 16524246 Essex said:
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For 60 minutes and if we can’t, we are going to lose this series quickly. The last six or seven minutes we were gassed and it just couldn’t keep up.


I don't think they're gassed. They just won't continue to hit. They wilted the second Zibby got leveled. They lost a 2 on 1 behind the net when they started with possession for crying out loud. They're unwilling. Not tired.
Rangers have got to get the PP clicking  
Rick in Dallas : 5/24/2024 9:19 pm : link
Question is our the Rangers willing to match the Panthers physicality for 60 minutes. We are going to find out tonight!!!
Wow..  
rnargi : 5/24/2024 9:23 pm : link
Rangers are doing nothing
Throw it up the boards to a waiting Panther  
rnargi : 5/24/2024 9:25 pm : link
Over and over and over.
We are hanging on for dear life  
Essex : 5/24/2024 9:27 pm : link
Third line  
JoeMoney19 : 5/24/2024 9:30 pm : link
Is fucking useless. Idk why they don’t play Rempe more.
Not even sure what out gameplan is  
Essex : 5/24/2024 9:30 pm : link
We are just dumping the puck into the neutral or deep in their zone to watch them win the puck from us
It's like FL has 10 skaters  
rnargi : 5/24/2024 9:30 pm : link
Every contested and loose puck is on their sticks
This is a whole lot better  
rnargi : 5/24/2024 9:35 pm : link
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Rangers need to get back to playing their game  
nyjuggernaut2 : 5/24/2024 9:38 pm : link
Panthers are dirty and like to get under team’s skin. Feel like after that dirty hit on Weine burger Rangers were more focused on laying a big hit than puck possession.
This has low key been a terrible game for Zibanejad  
Anakim : 5/24/2024 9:44 pm : link
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So Veasey takes a blind check  
rnargi : 5/24/2024 9:50 pm : link
Without th puck and no call and he's hurt.
Roslovic is another guy who has had a piss poor game  
Anakim : 5/24/2024 9:53 pm : link
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Panarin with a terrible play  
rnargi : 5/24/2024 9:53 pm : link
Causes Fox to take a penalty. Is Panarin playing timid? He wants no part of contact in my view. He had no reason to make that bone headed play other than a Panther was coming
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