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Manny in CA : 5/24/2024 1:18 am

Even though I will be rooting hard for Dan Jones, I just don't think that he is ready to succeed (to his rookie year level - what is expected, given the money he's making),for two reasons that are NOT his fault) -

(1) He's coming back from a serious ACL injury, this will limit his RPO option ability, one of the things that makes him effective

(2) The O-line reclamation project is still not complete; his pass protection will be improved, but not what he needs.

Drew Lock is as good as he will ever be - a journeyman back-up pro. He will step in, because he's the experienced hand, but he's not even as good as Tyrod Taylor was in 2023

Nathan Rourke; Don't know much about him, I think he's just a camp body.

My prediction - Tommy DeVito, Giants starting QB, by mid season
The issue is he'll still be third  
Blue Dog : 5/24/2024 1:49 am : link
I don't doubt that Jones will be on a very short leash injury-wise with his contract. I think they would shut him down at the first sign of problems. That said, Lock will surely be next man up, and I think the only way they would start DeVito over him is in the event of injury. I would be fine seeing more DeVito if the season has completely gone south, but I think the stars have to align for it to happen again.
Wanna bet?  
HBart : 5/24/2024 5:40 am : link
Lets have some fun with your prognostication skills. If DeVito starts over a healthy Jones and Lock in the Panthers game (or before), you win. Say $500?

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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/24/2024 6:37 am : link
I don't think that's outrageous @ all.
LOL  
ZogZerg : 5/24/2024 7:20 am : link
One OTA with a comment on Danny Devito and you are all on board....
I think Devito doesn't make the roster  
George from PA : 5/24/2024 7:23 am : link
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I think you're talking about the read-option  
cjac : 5/24/2024 7:45 am : link
not the RPO

RPO is run-pass option where the QB either hands it off or passes, the QB doesn't run it himself in that scenario

Either way I agree with you that he is going to come out of the gates timid and not willing to run the ball in the read option or in the case where the play breaks down. And without is running ability which is really his strength, he's going to struggle.
I don't see that as outrageous. Basically a repeat  
gogiants : 5/24/2024 8:20 am : link
of last season. I don't see that happening though. To me the Giants will play Jones as long as they are still in the playoff race. Last year the average games played before elimination was 15 with the numbers running from 12 to 17 games. So I see them if eliminated it will be late in the season. The backups to me are not viewed as viable starting franchise quarterback material. So they have no great desire to see how they play. Barring an injury to Jones they would let him play out the season to give him a opportunity to showcase some talent for other team opportunities next year.
RE: Wanna bet?  
IchabodGiant : 5/24/2024 8:30 am : link
In comment 16523716 HBart said:
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Lets have some fun with your prognostication skills. If DeVito starts over a healthy Jones and Lock in the Panthers game (or before), you win. Say $500?


$500?! oooooo fancy pants rich Mcgee over here....
Not outrageous at all  
averagejoe : 5/24/2024 8:49 am : link
What you are really saying is Giants have the worse QB room in NFL...lol


We know that already
If DeVito is starting at midseason,  
Section331 : 5/24/2024 8:49 am : link
my prediction is that we’ll be looking for a new GM/HC combo next Feb.
RE: RE: Wanna bet?  
HBart : 5/24/2024 9:20 am : link
In comment 16523760 IchabodGiant said:
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In comment 16523716 HBart said:


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Lets have some fun with your prognostication skills. If DeVito starts over a healthy Jones and Lock in the Panthers game (or before), you win. Say $500?




$500?! oooooo fancy pants rich Mcgee over here....

First rule of succesful gambling: when the right bet presents itself, get as nuch money on the table as you can.
I hope you're right, Manny  
Sean : 5/24/2024 9:22 am : link
If DeVito outplays Jones & Lock, that's the best outcome. I want flexibility at QB and playing Jones on nearly a $50M cap hit in 2025 is not flexibility.
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christian : 5/24/2024 9:23 am : link
Unless Daboll and Kafka completely change the offensive philosophy, I think DeVito beats out Lock.
While keeping Jones off the field  
Mike from Ohio : 5/24/2024 9:32 am : link
because of the injury guarantee in 2025 makes sense from a roster standpoint, I don't think the Giants will even consider that when making decisions. The Giants are not run like the Broncos. The goal will be to succeed with Jones.

I think the only way Jones will not play is if he is injured and can't play. The only way his play gets him benched is if he is turning the ball over or playing so badly he is getting loudly and routinely booed at MetLife.

This is not a 1A, 1B, 3 QB depth chart. It is QB, backup, other guy.
RE: If DeVito is starting at midseason,  
Ivan15 : 5/24/2024 9:33 am : link
In comment 16523778 Section331 said:
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my prediction is that we’ll be looking for a new GM/HC combo next Feb.
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Make that January. Slim pickins in February.
RE: RE: RE: Wanna bet?  
IchabodGiant : 5/24/2024 9:38 am : link
In comment 16523799 HBart said:
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Lets have some fun with your prognostication skills. If DeVito starts over a healthy Jones and Lock in the Panthers game (or before), you win. Say $500?




$500?! oooooo fancy pants rich Mcgee over here....


First rule of succesful gambling: when the right bet presents itself, get as nuch money on the table as you can.


I agree! I was just referencing a viral song going around social media currently. If you google it you'll see it. Pretty funny.
RE: While keeping Jones off the field  
Sean : 5/24/2024 9:42 am : link
In comment 16523805 Mike from Ohio said:
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because of the injury guarantee in 2025 makes sense from a roster standpoint, I don't think the Giants will even consider that when making decisions. The Giants are not run like the Broncos. The goal will be to succeed with Jones.

I think the only way Jones will not play is if he is injured and can't play. The only way his play gets him benched is if he is turning the ball over or playing so badly he is getting loudly and routinely booed at MetLife.

This is not a 1A, 1B, 3 QB depth chart. It is QB, backup, other guy.

The injury guarantee would become an issue once the team is out of playoff contention. For as much as the Broncos & Raiders are referenced, both Wilson & Carr took significant snaps for each team leading up to the benching. I believe Carr played into December. Wilson also played into December last year. It's not like these QBs were shelved right out of the gate.

I'd expect the conversation to come into play if NYG is 4-8 and going nowhere.

I fall in between "NYG loves Jones and he's Schoen's guy" and "NYG is already done with Jones." I think the truth is in the middle, but expecting NYG to act on the injury guarantee now would be unprecedented.
My reasonable 2024 prediction  
Milton : 5/24/2024 9:42 am : link
Jones rebounds, Nabers is the real deal, the OL rises, and the Giants win the NFC. I'm still a little foggy on what happens in the Super Bowl.
RE: RE: RE: Wanna bet?  
gridirony : 5/24/2024 10:01 am : link
In comment 16523799 HBart said:
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In comment 16523716 HBart said:


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Lets have some fun with your prognostication skills. If DeVito starts over a healthy Jones and Lock in the Panthers game (or before), you win. Say $500?




$500?! oooooo fancy pants rich Mcgee over here....


First rule of succesful gambling: when the right bet presents itself, get as nuch money on the table as you can.


That's basically the first rule of loser gambling. Studying the Kelly criterion should be a must. If gamblers don't know what it is, they really shouldn't be gambling.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Wanna bet?  
HBart : 5/24/2024 10:07 am : link
In comment 16523836 gridirony said:
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In comment 16523760 IchabodGiant said:


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In comment 16523716 HBart said:


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Lets have some fun with your prognostication skills. If DeVito starts over a healthy Jones and Lock in the Panthers game (or before), you win. Say $500?




$500?! oooooo fancy pants rich Mcgee over here....


First rule of succesful gambling: when the right bet presents itself, get as nuch money on the table as you can.



That's basically the first rule of loser gambling. Studying the Kelly criterion should be a must. If gamblers don't know what it is, they really shouldn't be gambling.

Only applies to known odds and set bankroll. Not reverse sucker prop bets.
Sean  
Mike from Ohio : 5/24/2024 10:23 am : link
If the Giants are 4-10 and clearly out of the playoff picture, I don't expect the Giants will bench Jones because of the injury guarantee like we saw with Wilson and Carr. Maybe the last week of the season, but not before.

This is a supposition of course, but I think the conversation in the front office goes something like this - "We don't make playing time decisions this year based on contracts. Fans are paying for tickets and we owe it to them to put our best tea, on the field and try and win games. If Jones gives us the best chance to win, he plays."

This is what I meant by we are not run like the Broncos and Raiders. We will do right by the player first (as the Giants have consistently done with Jones).
You think..  
dannyduffle : 5/24/2024 12:30 pm : link
A QB who wasn’t trusted to throw a pass in an entire half (maybe 1) against a team that didn’t matter, in a season that didn’t matter is going to go out and win a starting job? Yes, I agree. Outrageous take!
RE: I think Devito doesn't make the roster  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/24/2024 12:38 pm : link
In comment 16523737 George from PA said:
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Not even PS. Think he's a lock for that. He can develop into a real 2. But would be surprised if they don't keep 3 he isn't on the PS
RE: You think..  
Section331 : 5/24/2024 12:39 pm : link
In comment 16523969 dannyduffle said:
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A QB who wasn’t trusted to throw a pass in an entire half (maybe 1) against a team that didn’t matter, in a season that didn’t matter is going to go out and win a starting job? Yes, I agree. Outrageous take!


He probably hadn’t taken a single practice rep at that point. Why not look at the games after that, he played pretty well. I think the odds of TD becoming a full time starter are pretty long, but to use only his first half of play as the barometer rather than the 6 games he started is pretty odd.
RE: I think you're talking about the read-option  
kickoff : 5/24/2024 1:48 pm : link
In comment 16523743 cjac said:
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not the RPO

RPO is run-pass option where the QB either hands it off or passes, the QB doesn't run it himself in that scenario

Either way I agree with you that he is going to come out of the gates timid and not willing to run the ball in the read option or in the case where the play breaks down. And without is running ability which is really his strength, he's going to struggle.

I don't agree coming out of the gates timid. Say what you wnat about him, but I think this kid is mentally tough.
This team  
ElitoCanton : 5/24/2024 2:47 pm : link
has zero QBs worthy of being an NFL starter. That is the plain truth. And the team is screwed until they find one.
Devito  
Giants : 5/24/2024 3:04 pm : link
For those that think he takes over the starting QB. What kind of money do think he will be looking for next 4 seasons?
The big problem with DeVito  
allstarjim : 5/24/2024 3:15 pm : link
is he doesn't have good deep ball arm strength. He really can't push the ball down the field well vertically.

Lock can, big arm, notwithstanding his other flaws. I think this is something that is important to Daboll. Note that Maye (who I believe the interest in trading for was real) had arguably the biggest arm strength and deep ball talent out of the top 6 QBs, with a nod to Williams, who was never in play. Penix might have an argument, but I think Maye had the bigger arm if only marginally.

With Nabers and Hyatt (not to mention Slayton) on the outside, the ability to challenge defenses vertically is paramount, otherwise, you're not getting the full benefit of these receivers.

I think it's going to be a real competition between Jones and Lock, and I think it's very clearly a 2-horse race only.
You may be right, jim ...  
Manny in CA : 5/24/2024 5:18 pm : link

But he looks like he has enough of an arm in his Syracuse highlight ...

https://247sports.com/college/boise-state/article/illinois-fighting-illini-football-tommy-devito-commits-to-illini-syracuse-transfer-quarterback-177226840/

I recall in one his bad plays, with the Giants, last year occured when he OVERTHREW Hyatt in the End Zone.

Like I said, my druthers is to see a healthy Dan Jones not getting the crap beaten out of him, throwing to the stable of thoroughbreds that we have on the team now.
RE: If DeVito is starting at midseason,  
GeofromNJ : 5/25/2024 5:33 pm : link
In comment 16523778 Section331 said:
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my prediction is that we’ll be looking for a new GM/HC combo next Feb.

I don't think Schoen gets replaced under any circumstances. Daboll on the other hand is a possibility.
I would not be shocked if Devito outplayed Lock in camp  
SGMen : 5/25/2024 7:43 pm : link
If Jones starts and falters despite fine play around him our season will be another sucky one with no playoffs.
RE: If DeVito is starting at midseason,  
81_Great_Dane : 5/25/2024 10:18 pm : link
In comment 16523778 Section331 said:
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my prediction is that we’ll be looking for a new GM/HC combo next Feb.
In a sane organization, yes.

If DeVito is starting in mid season and JS isn't fired then that probably tells us that John Mara is personally responsible for the QB situation—including DJ’s contract and the failure to acquire anyone better than Drew Lock.

Maybe Lock and/or DeVito makes a leap forward in 2024. Wouldn’t put money on it.
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