Even though I will be rooting hard for Dan Jones, I just don't think that he is ready to succeed (to his rookie year level - what is expected, given the money he's making),for two reasons that are NOT his fault) -
(1) He's coming back from a serious ACL injury, this will limit his RPO option ability, one of the things that makes him effective
(2) The O-line reclamation project is still not complete; his pass protection will be improved, but not what he needs.
Drew Lock is as good as he will ever be - a journeyman back-up pro. He will step in, because he's the experienced hand, but he's not even as good as Tyrod Taylor was in 2023
Nathan Rourke; Don't know much about him, I think he's just a camp body.
My prediction - Tommy DeVito, Giants starting QB, by mid season
RPO is run-pass option where the QB either hands it off or passes, the QB doesn't run it himself in that scenario
Either way I agree with you that he is going to come out of the gates timid and not willing to run the ball in the read option or in the case where the play breaks down. And without is running ability which is really his strength, he's going to struggle.
$500?! oooooo fancy pants rich Mcgee over here....
We know that already
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Lets have some fun with your prognostication skills. If DeVito starts over a healthy Jones and Lock in the Panthers game (or before), you win. Say $500?
$500?! oooooo fancy pants rich Mcgee over here....
First rule of succesful gambling: when the right bet presents itself, get as nuch money on the table as you can.
I think the only way Jones will not play is if he is injured and can't play. The only way his play gets him benched is if he is turning the ball over or playing so badly he is getting loudly and routinely booed at MetLife.
This is not a 1A, 1B, 3 QB depth chart. It is QB, backup, other guy.
Make that January. Slim pickins in February.
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Lets have some fun with your prognostication skills. If DeVito starts over a healthy Jones and Lock in the Panthers game (or before), you win. Say $500?
$500?! oooooo fancy pants rich Mcgee over here....
First rule of succesful gambling: when the right bet presents itself, get as nuch money on the table as you can.
I agree! I was just referencing a viral song going around social media currently. If you google it you'll see it. Pretty funny.
I think the only way Jones will not play is if he is injured and can't play. The only way his play gets him benched is if he is turning the ball over or playing so badly he is getting loudly and routinely booed at MetLife.
This is not a 1A, 1B, 3 QB depth chart. It is QB, backup, other guy.
The injury guarantee would become an issue once the team is out of playoff contention. For as much as the Broncos & Raiders are referenced, both Wilson & Carr took significant snaps for each team leading up to the benching. I believe Carr played into December. Wilson also played into December last year. It's not like these QBs were shelved right out of the gate.
I'd expect the conversation to come into play if NYG is 4-8 and going nowhere.
I fall in between "NYG loves Jones and he's Schoen's guy" and "NYG is already done with Jones." I think the truth is in the middle, but expecting NYG to act on the injury guarantee now would be unprecedented.
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Lets have some fun with your prognostication skills. If DeVito starts over a healthy Jones and Lock in the Panthers game (or before), you win. Say $500?
$500?! oooooo fancy pants rich Mcgee over here....
First rule of succesful gambling: when the right bet presents itself, get as nuch money on the table as you can.
That's basically the first rule of loser gambling. Studying the Kelly criterion should be a must. If gamblers don't know what it is, they really shouldn't be gambling.
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In comment 16523716 HBart said:
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Lets have some fun with your prognostication skills. If DeVito starts over a healthy Jones and Lock in the Panthers game (or before), you win. Say $500?
$500?! oooooo fancy pants rich Mcgee over here....
First rule of succesful gambling: when the right bet presents itself, get as nuch money on the table as you can.
That's basically the first rule of loser gambling. Studying the Kelly criterion should be a must. If gamblers don't know what it is, they really shouldn't be gambling.
Only applies to known odds and set bankroll. Not reverse sucker prop bets.
This is a supposition of course, but I think the conversation in the front office goes something like this - "We don't make playing time decisions this year based on contracts. Fans are paying for tickets and we owe it to them to put our best tea, on the field and try and win games. If Jones gives us the best chance to win, he plays."
This is what I meant by we are not run like the Broncos and Raiders. We will do right by the player first (as the Giants have consistently done with Jones).
Not even PS. Think he's a lock for that. He can develop into a real 2. But would be surprised if they don't keep 3 he isn't on the PS
He probably hadn’t taken a single practice rep at that point. Why not look at the games after that, he played pretty well. I think the odds of TD becoming a full time starter are pretty long, but to use only his first half of play as the barometer rather than the 6 games he started is pretty odd.
RPO is run-pass option where the QB either hands it off or passes, the QB doesn't run it himself in that scenario
Either way I agree with you that he is going to come out of the gates timid and not willing to run the ball in the read option or in the case where the play breaks down. And without is running ability which is really his strength, he's going to struggle.
I don't agree coming out of the gates timid. Say what you wnat about him, but I think this kid is mentally tough.
Lock can, big arm, notwithstanding his other flaws. I think this is something that is important to Daboll. Note that Maye (who I believe the interest in trading for was real) had arguably the biggest arm strength and deep ball talent out of the top 6 QBs, with a nod to Williams, who was never in play. Penix might have an argument, but I think Maye had the bigger arm if only marginally.
With Nabers and Hyatt (not to mention Slayton) on the outside, the ability to challenge defenses vertically is paramount, otherwise, you're not getting the full benefit of these receivers.
I think it's going to be a real competition between Jones and Lock, and I think it's very clearly a 2-horse race only.
But he looks like he has enough of an arm in his Syracuse highlight ...
https://247sports.com/college/boise-state/article/illinois-fighting-illini-football-tommy-devito-commits-to-illini-syracuse-transfer-quarterback-177226840/
I recall in one his bad plays, with the Giants, last year occured when he OVERTHREW Hyatt in the End Zone.
Like I said, my druthers is to see a healthy Dan Jones not getting the crap beaten out of him, throwing to the stable of thoroughbreds that we have on the team now.
I don't think Schoen gets replaced under any circumstances. Daboll on the other hand is a possibility.
If DeVito is starting in mid season and JS isn't fired then that probably tells us that John Mara is personally responsible for the QB situation—including DJ’s contract and the failure to acquire anyone better than Drew Lock.
Maybe Lock and/or DeVito makes a leap forward in 2024. Wouldn’t put money on it.