motion and honestly just watching him jog around, move around, I would say his knee is recovering nicely.
Dex looks ready to go body wise.
Burns is a leaner (waist up) OLB/Edge than Thibs but he is smooth as glass in his movements. Thibs is showing some increased suddenness in his hand usage (something he has lacked in the first two years) but man Burns could be a real game changer here if DEX, Thibs and he can stay healthy and on the field together..
Speaking of Burns and Thibs, if Ojulari can show he is healthy, can stay healthy we could get into a 4 man rush line with Thibs-Dex-Ojulari-Burns (a sort of Nascar lite rush package).
but does Jones look stiff to anyone else? Like his throwing motion looks different, with more side arm maybe? Looks awkward.
No, I think he looked good, I am not a coach so I don't know how to make those kind of reads on the qb. His leg movement looked considering the ACL surgery.
Jones has always been a hard worker. He's probably ahead of his
and there was no guarantee, he would be physically capable after the neck injury. From those clips, the knee looks to be coming along fine, and he doesn’t seem to have any lingering effect from the neck injury. He’s as healthy as he can be going forward, so we will see.
and there was no guarantee, he would be physically capable after the neck injury. From those clips, the knee looks to be coming along fine, and he doesn’t seem to have any lingering effect from the neck injury. He’s as healthy as he can be going forward, so we will see.
The neck thing is concerning, but none of us are doctors and have seen his medicals.
come September. It was never a question of his ability to throw the ball, but his ability to push it downfield and process quickly what's happening on D.
come September. It was never a question of his ability to throw the ball, but his ability to push it downfield and process quickly what's happening on D.
I'm more a Daniel Jones fan than a detractor, but I think you're right about "processing" issues.
I think his unwillingness to throw downfield has been a little over blown but his lack of fluidity moving around in the pocket isn't discussed enough. There seems to be very little quickness in his game which would allow him to step quickly into any soft areas within the pocket. Of course, that assumes he can actually see/feel these soft areas while also keeping his eyes downfield. In his defense, the pass protection hasn't been good enough to consistently create soft areas once the original pocket has been pierced.
My other issue with Daniel Jones is I don't love his throwing motion and the difficulty he has in darting the ball out instantaneously. He also is not that agile / smooth in throwing on the run.
All that said, I've read countless BBI posts about Daniel Jones' inaccuracy and his lack of a strong throwing arm. To all these posts I have only one comment: Bullshit.
come September. It was never a question of his ability to throw the ball, but his ability to push it downfield and process quickly what's happening on D.
I'm more a Daniel Jones fan than a detractor, but I think you're right about "processing" issues.
I think his unwillingness to throw downfield has been a little over blown but his lack of fluidity moving around in the pocket isn't discussed enough. There seems to be very little quickness in his game which would allow him to step quickly into any soft areas within the pocket. Of course, that assumes he can actually see/feel these soft areas while also keeping his eyes downfield. In his defense, the pass protection hasn't been good enough to consistently create soft areas once the original pocket has been pierced.
My other issue with Daniel Jones is I don't love his throwing motion and the difficulty he has in darting the ball out instantaneously. He also is not that agile / smooth in throwing on the run.
All that said, I've read countless BBI posts about Daniel Jones' inaccuracy and his lack of a strong throwing arm. To all these posts I have only one comment: Bullshit.
I've been as critical of Jones as almost anyone, but his physical abilities were never the problem - and still aren't. He throws with enough accuracy and velocity to succeed in the NFL.
It's his processing speed and inability to stay on the field that have resulted in him not developing into what most of us hoped he would.
come September. It was never a question of his ability to throw the ball, but his ability to push it downfield and process quickly what's happening on D.
I'm more a Daniel Jones fan than a detractor, but I think you're right about "processing" issues.
I think his unwillingness to throw downfield has been a little over blown but his lack of fluidity moving around in the pocket isn't discussed enough. There seems to be very little quickness in his game which would allow him to step quickly into any soft areas within the pocket. Of course, that assumes he can actually see/feel these soft areas while also keeping his eyes downfield. In his defense, the pass protection hasn't been good enough to consistently create soft areas once the original pocket has been pierced.
My other issue with Daniel Jones is I don't love his throwing motion and the difficulty he has in darting the ball out instantaneously. He also is not that agile / smooth in throwing on the run.
All that said, I've read countless BBI posts about Daniel Jones' inaccuracy and his lack of a strong throwing arm. To all these posts I have only one comment: Bullshit.
I've been as critical of Jones as almost anyone, but his physical abilities were never the problem - and still aren't. He throws with enough accuracy and velocity to succeed in the NFL.
It's his processing speed and inability to stay on the field that have resulted in him not developing into what most of us hoped he would.
Agree, and unfortunately, this is why it's not easy to be optimistic that he will suddenly locate the lightswitch in Year 6. At a certain point, you are what you are.
I can be sympathetic that the guy has never had reliable pass protection. But if the net result is that Jones is now mindfucked to the point where he needs immaculate protection to be consistently successful, well then we're basically running out the clock here. He's not going to get immaculate protection, because there aren't that many QBs who do.
Same deal with his processing and anticipatory issues. Whatever the root cause of these problems, now six years in, it might be simply be too late to work the bugs out of his programming.
Jones is a really smart guy. I think friends of his have said that if he wasn't in the NFL, he'd working on Wall Street as an analyst or something. Problem is, the sort of deliberative, problem-solving intelligence that would serve him so well in that kind of job (and most others), is basically anti-thetical to the demands of playing quarterback in the NFL. There simply isn't enough time on your average NFL pass play to batch process a dynamic, rapidly evolving problem.
Basically, Daniel Jones is a smarter, more athletic, better looking version of Nuke LaLoosh. When we start playing with live ammo, Meat starts thinking, and it can only hurt the ball club.
I missed it the only clip of Nabers was him taking off his helmet and majority of the video was Jones from behind..kind of weird but at least it's content.
What pocket has DJ had in his entire career? If you look at the games we have won under him, yeah there’s been a pocket. The games we’ve lost are mostly due to the lack of any semblance of protection from the OL
I’m not saying he hasn’t made bad plays when he would’ve otherwise had an acceptable amount of protection, but let’s not act like he’s playing behind PHI or DAL line at any point in his career.
It’s like the Mora quote “pocket!? Don’t talk about pocket!”
Is taking hold now, because it's the impossible to refute. His college rap was he'd hold the ball not out of indecision but to force it downfield. As a Giant there's no evidence at all of a mental shortfall. In fact it's easy to see exactly the opposite courtesy of Cutlets. That's what the game being too fast for a QB looks like. Literally like he's watching the play at triple speed.
What's the criteria you are using to determine the game is too fast for DeVito?
Watching him play. He drops full speed, runs full speed, winds up and throws full speed. Everything in between is like the game is moving 78 while he moves 33.
What's the criteria you are using to determine the game is too fast for DeVito?
Watching him play. He drops full speed, runs full speed, winds up and throws full speed. Everything in between is like the game is moving 78 while he moves 33.
What if I were to say my observation of Jones is he looks at his first target, and then pulls the ball down and runs full speed?
get in reps at Giants OTAs
Yeah, Hope Burns can help Thibs get to the next level.
I thought he looked good in those clips.
He looked smooth.
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but does Jones look stiff to anyone else? Like his throwing motion looks different, with more side arm maybe? Looks awkward.
I thought he looked good in those clips.
Likewise - and strong on his feet, with 3+ months of rehab before week 1.
You are seeing what you want to see..
Dex looks ready to go body wise.
Burns is a leaner (waist up) OLB/Edge than Thibs but he is smooth as glass in his movements. Thibs is showing some increased suddenness in his hand usage (something he has lacked in the first two years) but man Burns could be a real game changer here if DEX, Thibs and he can stay healthy and on the field together..
Speaking of Burns and Thibs, if Ojulari can show he is healthy, can stay healthy we could get into a 4 man rush line with Thibs-Dex-Ojulari-Burns (a sort of Nascar lite rush package).
I’m more concerned about his neck
The neck thing is concerning, but none of us are doctors and have seen his medicals.
I'm more a Daniel Jones fan than a detractor, but I think you're right about "processing" issues.
I think his unwillingness to throw downfield has been a little over blown but his lack of fluidity moving around in the pocket isn't discussed enough. There seems to be very little quickness in his game which would allow him to step quickly into any soft areas within the pocket. Of course, that assumes he can actually see/feel these soft areas while also keeping his eyes downfield. In his defense, the pass protection hasn't been good enough to consistently create soft areas once the original pocket has been pierced.
My other issue with Daniel Jones is I don't love his throwing motion and the difficulty he has in darting the ball out instantaneously. He also is not that agile / smooth in throwing on the run.
All that said, I've read countless BBI posts about Daniel Jones' inaccuracy and his lack of a strong throwing arm. To all these posts I have only one comment: Bullshit.
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come September. It was never a question of his ability to throw the ball, but his ability to push it downfield and process quickly what's happening on D.
I'm more a Daniel Jones fan than a detractor, but I think you're right about "processing" issues.
I think his unwillingness to throw downfield has been a little over blown but his lack of fluidity moving around in the pocket isn't discussed enough. There seems to be very little quickness in his game which would allow him to step quickly into any soft areas within the pocket. Of course, that assumes he can actually see/feel these soft areas while also keeping his eyes downfield. In his defense, the pass protection hasn't been good enough to consistently create soft areas once the original pocket has been pierced.
My other issue with Daniel Jones is I don't love his throwing motion and the difficulty he has in darting the ball out instantaneously. He also is not that agile / smooth in throwing on the run.
All that said, I've read countless BBI posts about Daniel Jones' inaccuracy and his lack of a strong throwing arm. To all these posts I have only one comment: Bullshit.
I've been as critical of Jones as almost anyone, but his physical abilities were never the problem - and still aren't. He throws with enough accuracy and velocity to succeed in the NFL.
It's his processing speed and inability to stay on the field that have resulted in him not developing into what most of us hoped he would.
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come September. It was never a question of his ability to throw the ball, but his ability to push it downfield and process quickly what's happening on D.
I'm more a Daniel Jones fan than a detractor, but I think you're right about "processing" issues.
I think his unwillingness to throw downfield has been a little over blown but his lack of fluidity moving around in the pocket isn't discussed enough. There seems to be very little quickness in his game which would allow him to step quickly into any soft areas within the pocket. Of course, that assumes he can actually see/feel these soft areas while also keeping his eyes downfield. In his defense, the pass protection hasn't been good enough to consistently create soft areas once the original pocket has been pierced.
My other issue with Daniel Jones is I don't love his throwing motion and the difficulty he has in darting the ball out instantaneously. He also is not that agile / smooth in throwing on the run.
All that said, I've read countless BBI posts about Daniel Jones' inaccuracy and his lack of a strong throwing arm. To all these posts I have only one comment: Bullshit.
I've been as critical of Jones as almost anyone, but his physical abilities were never the problem - and still aren't. He throws with enough accuracy and velocity to succeed in the NFL.
It's his processing speed and inability to stay on the field that have resulted in him not developing into what most of us hoped he would.
Agree, and unfortunately, this is why it's not easy to be optimistic that he will suddenly locate the lightswitch in Year 6. At a certain point, you are what you are.
I can be sympathetic that the guy has never had reliable pass protection. But if the net result is that Jones is now mindfucked to the point where he needs immaculate protection to be consistently successful, well then we're basically running out the clock here. He's not going to get immaculate protection, because there aren't that many QBs who do.
Same deal with his processing and anticipatory issues. Whatever the root cause of these problems, now six years in, it might be simply be too late to work the bugs out of his programming.
Jones is a really smart guy. I think friends of his have said that if he wasn't in the NFL, he'd working on Wall Street as an analyst or something. Problem is, the sort of deliberative, problem-solving intelligence that would serve him so well in that kind of job (and most others), is basically anti-thetical to the demands of playing quarterback in the NFL. There simply isn't enough time on your average NFL pass play to batch process a dynamic, rapidly evolving problem.
Basically, Daniel Jones is a smarter, more athletic, better looking version of Nuke LaLoosh. When we start playing with live ammo, Meat starts thinking, and it can only hurt the ball club.
I’m not saying he hasn’t made bad plays when he would’ve otherwise had an acceptable amount of protection, but let’s not act like he’s playing behind PHI or DAL line at any point in his career.
It’s like the Mora quote “pocket!? Don’t talk about pocket!”
Watching him play. He drops full speed, runs full speed, winds up and throws full speed. Everything in between is like the game is moving 78 while he moves 33.
Watching him play. He drops full speed, runs full speed, winds up and throws full speed. Everything in between is like the game is moving 78 while he moves 33.
What if I were to say my observation of Jones is he looks at his first target, and then pulls the ball down and runs full speed?