They both said how good he and the offense looked last year in training camp when you could not hit the QB and how it all fell apart under live bullets.
This is because the weakness of an offensive line is only fully revealed in live action.
An interesting thought is that it seems like there could be some reason for hope if the line gets good enough to make the real game protection more like practice and the QB is not fearing for his life.
I know, it will never ne the same, but hopefully its better.
Starting OL v SF
Ezedu Lemueix Bredeson McKethan Neal
No Barkley, no Wandale, Waller injured. Short practice week.
We needed DJ to step up that week and will the team forward and he failed.
But why does that bother you?
Because $40 million could have been used to upgrade the shit roster. That makes sense.
But the giants dont draft a QB and put draft capital to upgrade the shit roster and you are mad because they didnt draft a QB.
Jones existence has never prevented the Giants from drafting a QB, except the year he played well enough to take the team to playoffs. But yes I remember, that year doesnt count because it was scheme and Jones did what any QB could do.
His contract prevented us signing a high priced Free Agent QB like 36 year old Cousins for 45milAAV/180 mil, 28 year old Minshew for 12.5 AAV/$25 mil, or Bring back Tyrod who did not do that much better and also could not stay on the field.
If you did get Minshew or Tyrod and they played as well as you expected, how well is that exactly. Probably only good enough to keep you from drafting a rookie QB that you covet.
Shouldnt you be happy that shitty DJ will tank this team and get you in draft position?
Or are you really mad at the regime for not drafting Pennix/Macarthy/Nix, which again, DJ did not prevent this from happening.
Pennix - laundry list of injuries and old rookie
McCarthy - has noted trouble throwing deep balls over LBs and under Safeties
Nix - looks as good as Sam Darnold
But even if that is what you wanted, isnt this really JS and Daboll fault and especially Tommy Devito's fault for winning too many games?
You guys really bitch a lot with ZERO logic being used.
Either be happy that you have DJ to tank the season
OR
Are you worried that DJ will be good enough that he will keep us out of drafting a QB? Which is also humorous because you think DJ is the worst QB ever.
You are in quite the conundrum. That must really angry you.
DJ tanking the season means another full reset with the coaching staff and probably FO. Not drafting a QB very possibly set this team back 3 more seasons
But yeah no reason to be upset
But that is hope. I also hope I can bed Margot Robbie tonight. But in all probability, neither is happening.
The most likely scenario for Jones this season is that he looks like a middling QB best situated to be a backup in this league. And there’s no shame in that…he made it further than 99.9% of his peers from high school. And it doesn’t mean he’s a bad guy or teammate. It just means he’s not a legit starting QB in the NFL.
And I want a stud at the position. We all should. And until we get one, I fear we are just spinning our wheels.
lmao what an accomplishment.
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When DJ goes .500 and is the starting QB in 2025
lmao what an accomplishment.
If going .500 is treated like some sort of accomplishment among ownership & some fans, it is sad the depths this organization has sunk.
Based on the moves this team has made, I agree w/ Sean: this is a win now team according to the organization, which I find absurd & delusional considering I believe this is one of the worst teams in the NFL.
Shame on him.
I know because he has been so lights out the previous 5 seasons.
If he doesn't, I'm sure we'll hear excuse after excuse after excuse.
& I hope he does succeed & shuts people like me up! I want the Giants to be good & that means he succeeds. I just am not confident that'll happen.
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can be considered as an improvement in a team undergoing a rebuild.
Based on the moves this team has made, I agree w/ Sean: this is a win now team according to the organization, which I find absurd & delusional considering I believe this is one of the worst teams in the NFL.
Aren't the Giants one of the youngest teams in the league?
This is year 3 of this regime. They shouldn't be rebuilding. They own this roster.
What does a salary have to do with a crap OL.?
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can be considered as an improvement in a team undergoing a rebuild.
Based on the moves this team has made, I agree w/ Sean: this is a win now team according to the organization, which I find absurd & delusional considering I believe this is one of the worst teams in the NFL.
Aren't the Giants one of the youngest teams in the league?
the Green Bay Packers are younger than the Giants and they are firmly in WIN-NOW mode.
This is year 3 of this regime. They shouldn't be rebuilding. They own this roster.
That move is on the front office. Jones got a 2 yr deal. This has been discussed forever. Tell us something new.
But there isn't a team in the NFL that has a line that's going to prevent pressure, especially in the playoffs. Your QB has to be able to handle pressure, make the right choices under less than ideal circumstances and make plays...ESPECIALLY during the playoffs!
What we saw with Jones in 2022 is likely the best we'll see out of him. Good during the season, and great against one of the worst defenses in the playoffs. When he faced a much better defense, he had no answer. The Eagles had him figured out, and that continued into 2023.
Jones is likely a great person. But that does not win games.
The bottom line is that Jones isn't going to get you far in the playoffs, if they make the playoffs.
Head Coaches and Offensive Coordinators can only scheme up to a point. They can't make an average player great. And we've seen enough of Daniel to know what he is, and what he is not.
There's pressure, then there's PRESSURE!!!
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But, at Jones salary he doesn't get that excuse. He's being paid $40M per year.
What does a salary have to do with a crap OL.?
Salary argument makes no sense. So, if he were making less than his play would be acceptable?
This is year 3 of this regime. They shouldn't be rebuilding. They own this roster.
How does signing Dex and AT to New contracts signify win now mode? Why wouldn't the giants sign them and build with them? It is not like they are up in age where they have a 2 or 3 year window. The same goes for Burns. He is a building piece who was drafted the same year as Dex.
Win now mode is going out and signing aging veterans over 30 to fill spots.
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If a $40M QB doesn’t look good in training camp, then there is a major problem.
The difference between camp and games isn’t necessarily the “live bullets”, it’s that in camp, you KNOW the guns have no bullets. So is pressure the problem, or is it the potential for pressure?
Not to mention, Jones looked awful in the first joint practice against the Lions. Then he looked sharp in 7-on-7 drills the next day, but again, any QB better look good in 7-on-7’s.
That is my point. Less pressure might mean better Jones. Don't know until we see it - if we see it. Simply saying that there is a little bit of reason to think it might be so. Also correction to OL above - JMS not Bredeson.
But that’s not my point. My point is that it might not be the pressure, but the possibility of pressure. Using your live ammo analogy, military are apt to be much more aggressive when they know the guns have no bullets.
Thats fair and I have said in other threads that my greatest fear is that he is permanently shell shocked. No QB will ever be as completely comfortable as they are in practice. All I am saying is that he does seem to be able to perform well when he is more comfortable and there is reason to believe that may be the case this year. He was not always skittish.
I'll hunt down the thread. After to 2019 season it seemed like Jones had all the requisite skills to be a good NFL QB, and many of who are bearish on him now felt like he clearly belonged.
He can't do anything when the protection is a horror show. And that's often, so it's important to just leave that part out.
What I don't see is a guy who makes quick, big throws when things are just OK protection-wise. Those plays only come when there is a great protection.
He's a red shirt Pro Bowler.
Thats fair and I have said in other threads that my greatest fear is that he is permanently shell shocked. No QB will ever be as completely comfortable as they are in practice. All I am saying is that he does seem to be able to perform well when he is more comfortable and there is reason to believe that may be the case this year. He was not always skittish.
At Duke I know his WR corps was bad but I don't recall what his protection situation was.
He has been under increasing duress as a Giant. The protection has oddly, been worse each season.
The injuries cannot have helped.
Physically, he has the tools.
A football player's best friend is confidence. Daniel appears to have very little of that.
Beit in himself of his cast, it seems to be a problem.
Hopefully, camp brings him the confidence in both to allow him to be his best self. Whether or nor that is enough is yet to be seen.
The staff seems to believe that he can be an NFL starter.
But why does that bother you?
Because $40 million could have been used to upgrade the shit roster. That makes sense.
But the giants dont draft a QB and put draft capital to upgrade the shit roster and you are mad because they didnt draft a QB.
Jones existence has never prevented the Giants from drafting a QB, except the year he played well enough to take the team to playoffs. But yes I remember, that year doesnt count because it was scheme and Jones did what any QB could do.
His contract prevented us signing a high priced Free Agent QB like 36 year old Cousins for 45milAAV/180 mil, 28 year old Minshew for 12.5 AAV/$25 mil, or Bring back Tyrod who did not do that much better and also could not stay on the field.
If you did get Minshew or Tyrod and they played as well as you expected, how well is that exactly. Probably only good enough to keep you from drafting a rookie QB that you covet.
Shouldnt you be happy that shitty DJ will tank this team and get you in draft position?
Or are you really mad at the regime for not drafting Pennix/Macarthy/Nix, which again, DJ did not prevent this from happening.
Pennix - laundry list of injuries and old rookie
McCarthy - has noted trouble throwing deep balls over LBs and under Safeties
Nix - looks as good as Sam Darnold
But even if that is what you wanted, isnt this really JS and Daboll fault and especially Tommy Devito's fault for winning too many games?
You guys really bitch a lot with ZERO logic being used.
Either be happy that you have DJ to tank the season
OR
Are you worried that DJ will be good enough that he will keep us out of drafting a QB? Which is also humorous because you think DJ is the worst QB ever.
You are in quite the conundrum. That must really angry you.
What I find funny about the $40 million argument is that it didnt stop the year they got the contract done from brining back Saquon, signing Okereke, Ashawn Robinson, Nacho, Parris Campbell, or giving Slayton a new short term deal. OR Trading for Simmons who was getting about 5 million on his rookie deal..
And it didnt stop them this season from Giving Brian Burns a huge deal, signing Runyon and Jermaine Eluemunor, as well as three other OL.. bringing in Singletary and McKenzie..
that 40 million is not really stopping them from maneuvering
And they could STILL create more money if they wanted to with Dex and Thomas contracts.. they just havent needed to..
ANd if Jones doesnt perform this year.. he is done as a Giant..
And yet many will be happy since he will have reached his ceiling.
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The Oline was an utter disaster early in last year. DJ had zero confidence back there and regressed to Checkdown king. I don’t know what we’ll see this year. It was such a disaster of injuries and all around funk after literally everything unraveled after that first drive. I can say the physical ability is there for him. Beyond that, we are all going to have to wait and see.
He’s been a check down king since his rookie year, and that includes 2022.
He wasn't in his rookie year, so I don't agree with that. 2022 was a short quick passing game by scheme with a lack of vertical threats and mediocre Oline. It's why they went after Hyatt and Waller. We know know this, it was discussed openly.
Outside of some glimpses here and there later on in the year, we've yet to see the Daboll offense. It was supposed to be last year --obviously didn't work out that way.
I don’t care about his 40 million. Jawn can go and burn his money anyway he wishes. When you can get a journeyman qb for a lot less and put up the same numbers logic dictates that you take the path of least cost and most flexibility-except in NY. Didn’t draft a qb this year? Ok, don’t- no big deal as qb’s come available every year. It would be nice to have flexibility to draft or sign one next season without incurring the equivalent of Thomas’ yearly salary in dead cap.
Looking forward to the usual “fix the o-line, the receivers suck” again this year.
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The Oline was an utter disaster early in last year. DJ had zero confidence back there and regressed to Checkdown king. I don’t know what we’ll see this year. It was such a disaster of injuries and all around funk after literally everything unraveled after that first drive. I can say the physical ability is there for him. Beyond that, we are all going to have to wait and see.
He’s been a check down king since his rookie year, and that includes 2022.
He wasn't in his rookie year, so I don't agree with that. 2022 was a short quick passing game by scheme with a lack of vertical threats and mediocre Oline. It's why they went after Hyatt and Waller. We know know this, it was discussed openly.
Outside of some glimpses here and there later on in the year, we've yet to see the Daboll offense. It was supposed to be last year --obviously didn't work out that way.
That’s the book and it’s led to more or less the same mediocre numbers the last 4 years. I think Daboll wants to go down the field and he has a qb that can’t. Why do you think Daboll threw the Surface at him.
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The Oline was an utter disaster early in last year. DJ had zero confidence back there and regressed to Checkdown king. I don’t know what we’ll see this year. It was such a disaster of injuries and all around funk after literally everything unraveled after that first drive. I can say the physical ability is there for him. Beyond that, we are all going to have to wait and see.
He’s been a check down king since his rookie year, and that includes 2022.
He wasn't in his rookie year, so I don't agree with that. 2022 was a short quick passing game by scheme with a lack of vertical threats and mediocre Oline. It's why they went after Hyatt and Waller. We know know this, it was discussed openly.
Outside of some glimpses here and there later on in the year, we've yet to see the Daboll offense. It was supposed to be last year --obviously didn't work out that way.
Spare me, he averaged a whopping 6.6 YPA his rookie year, which ties for his career high. He is and always has been a checkdown artist.
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The Oline was an utter disaster early in last year. DJ had zero confidence back there and regressed to Checkdown king. I don’t know what we’ll see this year. It was such a disaster of injuries and all around funk after literally everything unraveled after that first drive. I can say the physical ability is there for him. Beyond that, we are all going to have to wait and see.
He’s been a check down king since his rookie year, and that includes 2022.
He wasn't in his rookie year, so I don't agree with that. 2022 was a short quick passing game by scheme with a lack of vertical threats and mediocre Oline. It's why they went after Hyatt and Waller. We know know this, it was discussed openly.
Outside of some glimpses here and there later on in the year, we've yet to see the Daboll offense. It was supposed to be last year --obviously didn't work out that way.
Spare me, he averaged a whopping 6.6 YPA his rookie year, which ties for his career high. He is and always has been a checkdown artist.
And I will add that Tyrod averaged 7.5 YPA with the same OL and WR’s, compared to Jones’s 5.6. But I know the excuses will never stop. This year it will be that his new OL sucks and Nabers is a bust.
But if this is not an average to above average Oline, do we just chalk another year up to letting down Daniel and bring him back again next year? This feels like year 3 of “no more excuses” when each is followed by “yeah but look at the shit around him - nobody could have won.”
If the Oline has a bad year, is next year “make or break” for Jones again?
But if this is not an average to above average Oline, do we just chalk another year up to letting down Daniel and bring him back again next year? This feels like year 3 of “no more excuses” when each is followed by “yeah but look at the shit around him - nobody could have won.”
If the Oline has a bad year, is next year “make or break” for Jones again?
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The Oline was an utter disaster early in last year. DJ had zero confidence back there and regressed to Checkdown king. I don’t know what we’ll see this year. It was such a disaster of injuries and all around funk after literally everything unraveled after that first drive. I can say the physical ability is there for him. Beyond that, we are all going to have to wait and see.
He’s been a check down king since his rookie year, and that includes 2022.
He wasn't in his rookie year, so I don't agree with that. 2022 was a short quick passing game by scheme with a lack of vertical threats and mediocre Oline. It's why they went after Hyatt and Waller. We know know this, it was discussed openly.
Outside of some glimpses here and there later on in the year, we've yet to see the Daboll offense. It was supposed to be last year --obviously didn't work out that way.
Spare me, he averaged a whopping 6.6 YPA his rookie year, which ties for his career high. He is and always has been a checkdown artist.
And I will add that Tyrod averaged 7.5 YPA with the same OL and WR’s, compared to Jones’s 5.6. But I know the excuses will never stop. This year it will be that his new OL sucks and Nabers is a bust.
No. He didn't. You can check the starting rosters - Jones didn't have the same OL twice, no less the same as the relatively stabilized OL Taylor had.
Also, do you really think WDR and Hyatt were the "same" in September as the 2nd half of the season? A rookie who managed to be the only thing every single football analyst in the known universe agreed on -- that he was raw and needed time. And WDR a virtual rookie coming off ACL repair.
I know you don't. But false equivalencies are an important tool to make a point that can't without some sort of cherry picked bullshit.
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But who is here is willing to say both are fixed? Nabers is a huge add, no doubt. But is the Oline fixed? We got a couple of new guys in and more importantly, a new Oline coach.
But if this is not an average to above average Oline, do we just chalk another year up to letting down Daniel and bring him back again next year? This feels like year 3 of “no more excuses” when each is followed by “yeah but look at the shit around him - nobody could have won.”
If the Oline has a bad year, is next year “make or break” for Jones again?
you will never know what is fixed as long as Dan Jones is the qb.
Post of the Day. Week. Probably month.
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But who is here is willing to say both are fixed? Nabers is a huge add, no doubt. But is the Oline fixed? We got a couple of new guys in and more importantly, a new Oline coach.
But if this is not an average to above average Oline, do we just chalk another year up to letting down Daniel and bring him back again next year? This feels like year 3 of “no more excuses” when each is followed by “yeah but look at the shit around him - nobody could have won.”
If the Oline has a bad year, is next year “make or break” for Jones again?
you will never know what is fixed as long as Dan Jones is the qb.
Post of the Day. Week. Probably month.
Sounds more like whining to me.
So, if he was only making $10M per year,the offensive line would then be the problem,not DJ?
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The Oline was an utter disaster early in last year. DJ had zero confidence back there and regressed to Checkdown king. I don’t know what we’ll see this year. It was such a disaster of injuries and all around funk after literally everything unraveled after that first drive. I can say the physical ability is there for him. Beyond that, we are all going to have to wait and see.
He’s been a check down king since his rookie year, and that includes 2022.
He wasn't in his rookie year, so I don't agree with that. 2022 was a short quick passing game by scheme with a lack of vertical threats and mediocre Oline. It's why they went after Hyatt and Waller. We know know this, it was discussed openly.
Outside of some glimpses here and there later on in the year, we've yet to see the Daboll offense. It was supposed to be last year --obviously didn't work out that way.
his rookie year was going on 6 years ago. DC’s have a book on him since then- take away his first read, jump the short routes, keep in the pocket and force him to make decisions with the ball. Dont worry about sticking with the receiver just be in the vicinity and don’t worry about fades and seams because it’s a low percentage throw for him.
That’s the book and it’s led to more or less the same mediocre numbers the last 4 years. I think Daboll wants to go down the field and he has a qb that can’t. Why do you think Daboll threw the Surface at him.
Daboll absolutely wants to throw down field. If Jones won't do it, he won't be the starting QB. What I said is --he has the physical ability, and looked the part throwing deep in training camp last year. I do think last year was a mess all around, not just Jones, but as you have said --he hasn't proved it in games. That's really where we are.
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The Oline was an utter disaster early in last year. DJ had zero confidence back there and regressed to Checkdown king. I don’t know what we’ll see this year. It was such a disaster of injuries and all around funk after literally everything unraveled after that first drive. I can say the physical ability is there for him. Beyond that, we are all going to have to wait and see.
He’s been a check down king since his rookie year, and that includes 2022.
He wasn't in his rookie year, so I don't agree with that. 2022 was a short quick passing game by scheme with a lack of vertical threats and mediocre Oline. It's why they went after Hyatt and Waller. We know know this, it was discussed openly.
Outside of some glimpses here and there later on in the year, we've yet to see the Daboll offense. It was supposed to be last year --obviously didn't work out that way.
Spare me, he averaged a whopping 6.6 YPA his rookie year, which ties for his career high. He is and always has been a checkdown artist.
Section --if all you saw was Jones checking the ball down his roookie year, that's freaking great for you. YPA do not tell the full story. There is a reason Brock Purdy and Tua led the league in YPA last year and Kirk Cousins had a higher average than Pat Mahomes. It isn't because he throws a better deep ball than him.
Literally all I said is that Jones has the physical ability and he showed some ability in it his rookie year. It's funny how some people seriously get annoyed any anyone who says anything that isn't 100% anti-Jones. I said I have no idea how it will play out this year and that Jones did not show it in games. So take a chill.
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The Oline was an utter disaster early in last year. DJ had zero confidence back there and regressed to Checkdown king. I don’t know what we’ll see this year. It was such a disaster of injuries and all around funk after literally everything unraveled after that first drive. I can say the physical ability is there for him. Beyond that, we are all going to have to wait and see.
He’s been a check down king since his rookie year, and that includes 2022.
He wasn't in his rookie year, so I don't agree with that. 2022 was a short quick passing game by scheme with a lack of vertical threats and mediocre Oline. It's why they went after Hyatt and Waller. We know know this, it was discussed openly.
Outside of some glimpses here and there later on in the year, we've yet to see the Daboll offense. It was supposed to be last year --obviously didn't work out that way.
his rookie year was going on 6 years ago. DC’s have a book on him since then- take away his first read, jump the short routes, keep in the pocket and force him to make decisions with the ball. Dont worry about sticking with the receiver just be in the vicinity and don’t worry about fades and seams because it’s a low percentage throw for him.
That’s the book and it’s led to more or less the same mediocre numbers the last 4 years. I think Daboll wants to go down the field and he has a qb that can’t. Why do you think Daboll threw the Surface at him.
Daboll absolutely wants to throw down field. If Jones won't do it, he won't be the starting QB. What I said is --he has the physical ability, and looked the part throwing deep in training camp last year. I do think last year was a mess all around, not just Jones, but as you have said --he hasn't proved it in games. That's really where we are.
I do not believe Jones has enough physical ability to be successful. He has shown when the attempts go up, and the adot goes up, so do the miscues, to an unsustainable level. Also, he is not a consistent thrower of the football, often missing the high leverage point. Plus he throws receivers into traffic. And he can't throw a fade to save his life. Now you may think some of this is mental. I don't. I think these are athletic traits. Consistency and composure are athletic, physical skills which Jones does not possess. He also looks painfully robotic, lacking the fluidity of top QBs. When I watch Jones play, for this and other reasons, I don't see the requisite physical skills to play the position at a high level. And we haven't hit on his poor decision making and poor processing yet.
As a fan i hope DJ and the whole offense plays much better. I think it will.
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The Oline was an utter disaster early in last year. DJ had zero confidence back there and regressed to Checkdown king. I don’t know what we’ll see this year. It was such a disaster of injuries and all around funk after literally everything unraveled after that first drive. I can say the physical ability is there for him. Beyond that, we are all going to have to wait and see.
He’s been a check down king since his rookie year, and that includes 2022.
He wasn't in his rookie year, so I don't agree with that. 2022 was a short quick passing game by scheme with a lack of vertical threats and mediocre Oline. It's why they went after Hyatt and Waller. We know know this, it was discussed openly.
Outside of some glimpses here and there later on in the year, we've yet to see the Daboll offense. It was supposed to be last year --obviously didn't work out that way.
Spare me, he averaged a whopping 6.6 YPA his rookie year, which ties for his career high. He is and always has been a checkdown artist.
And I will add that Tyrod averaged 7.5 YPA with the same OL and WR’s, compared to Jones’s 5.6. But I know the excuses will never stop. This year it will be that his new OL sucks and Nabers is a bust.
No. He didn't. You can check the starting rosters - Jones didn't have the same OL twice, no less the same as the relatively stabilized OL Taylor had.
Also, do you really think WDR and Hyatt were the "same" in September as the 2nd half of the season? A rookie who managed to be the only thing every single football analyst in the known universe agreed on -- that he was raw and needed time. And WDR a virtual rookie coming off ACL repair.
I know you don't. But false equivalencies are an important tool to make a point that can't without some sort of cherry picked bullshit.
Lamar Jackson won an MVP with an offensive line that didn't have Ronnie Stanley for 3 games and one player from their starting offensive line played all 17 games.
The same is true for dallas. One starter on their offensive line played a full season.
The same is true for Detroit.
San Francisco lucked out. They had TWO OL starters play all 17 games.
This will always be able to explain away lack of performance if you let it.
As a fan i hope DJ and the whole offense plays much better. I think it will.
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The Oline was an utter disaster early in last year. DJ had zero confidence back there and regressed to Checkdown king. I don’t know what we’ll see this year. It was such a disaster of injuries and all around funk after literally everything unraveled after that first drive. I can say the physical ability is there for him. Beyond that, we are all going to have to wait and see.
He’s been a check down king since his rookie year, and that includes 2022.
He wasn't in his rookie year, so I don't agree with that. 2022 was a short quick passing game by scheme with a lack of vertical threats and mediocre Oline. It's why they went after Hyatt and Waller. We know know this, it was discussed openly.
Outside of some glimpses here and there later on in the year, we've yet to see the Daboll offense. It was supposed to be last year --obviously didn't work out that way.
Spare me, he averaged a whopping 6.6 YPA his rookie year, which ties for his career high. He is and always has been a checkdown artist.
And I will add that Tyrod averaged 7.5 YPA with the same OL and WR’s, compared to Jones’s 5.6. But I know the excuses will never stop. This year it will be that his new OL sucks and Nabers is a bust.
LOL, get over yourself and pay attention to what people say. You're getting all worked up because I'm not slamming every detail of Jones, a QB I never liked since he was drafted. Too f-ing funny.
If Taylor was better, he'd still be a Giant
But why does that bother you?
Because $40 million could have been used to upgrade the shit roster. That makes sense.
But the giants dont draft a QB and put draft capital to upgrade the shit roster and you are mad because they didnt draft a QB.
Jones existence has never prevented the Giants from drafting a QB, except the year he played well enough to take the team to playoffs. But yes I remember, that year doesnt count because it was scheme and Jones did what any QB could do.
His contract prevented us signing a high priced Free Agent QB like 36 year old Cousins for 45milAAV/180 mil, 28 year old Minshew for 12.5 AAV/$25 mil, or Bring back Tyrod who did not do that much better and also could not stay on the field.
If you did get Minshew or Tyrod and they played as well as you expected, how well is that exactly. Probably only good enough to keep you from drafting a rookie QB that you covet.
Shouldnt you be happy that shitty DJ will tank this team and get you in draft position?
Or are you really mad at the regime for not drafting Pennix/Macarthy/Nix, which again, DJ did not prevent this from happening.
Pennix - laundry list of injuries and old rookie
McCarthy - has noted trouble throwing deep balls over LBs and under Safeties
Nix - looks as good as Sam Darnold
But even if that is what you wanted, isnt this really JS and Daboll fault and especially Tommy Devito's fault for winning too many games?
You guys really bitch a lot with ZERO logic being used.
Either be happy that you have DJ to tank the season
OR
Are you worried that DJ will be good enough that he will keep us out of drafting a QB? Which is also humorous because you think DJ is the worst QB ever.
You are in quite the conundrum. That must really angry you.
The Giants held the 6th pick in this year’s draft and passed on 3 QBs, Jones doesn’t have to be that good to put the Giants out of position in 2025 based on precedent.
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I know you don't. But false equivalencies are an important tool to make a point that can't without some sort of cherry picked bullshit.
Look at Slayton's numbers with Jones and without Jones last season. No doubt another "false equivalency."
OK? And?
In comment 16525304 Eightshamrocks said:
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Taylor outplayed him when the conditions were the same. Jones is bad and we have to deal it for one more year.
If Taylor was better, he'd still be a Giant