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NFT: Mets vs Giants: Gm 1 ⚾Scott (R) vs Harrison (L)⚾ 7:10 pm EDT

Optimus-NY : 5/24/2024 4:37 pm

Starting Lineups for both clubs tonight.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for the games tonight & tomorrow in Flushing against the Giants.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-The game tonight will each be on SNY nd the one tomorrow will be on WPIX.
-The weather for tonight's game at Citi Field looks grand. Click HERE to keep updated and see Hourly AccuWeather Reports for there.
-The Mets are going up against a Giants team who've won 7 of their last 10. Watch out for Matt Chapman who's 13 for his last 23 with 3 home runs.

-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions so far for May.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for tonight's game will consist of Narváez (L), Stewart (L), Baty (L), & Taylor (R).
Check out the Minor League thread for May below:  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2024 4:38 pm : link
We'll be doing one each month for the rest of the season. It'll be easier to consolidate info this way and for everyone to be able to follow along any news and information centering around the club's various affiliates.


NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm



*For reference purposes, here is the link for the previous month as well:
NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am
Here are a couple of useful financial websites:  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2024 4:39 pm : link
Cot's Baseball Contracts - A Clearinghouse for MLB Salary and Payroll details


RosterResource - Team Payroll - NEW YORK METS PLAYER PAYROLL
I'll catch whatever I can of this game later.  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2024 4:40 pm : link
At least Scott's pitching.
Same here....am presssure washing pool deck getting pool cleaned up...  
BocaGene : 5/24/2024 5:07 pm : link
Tomorrow is Taco Party with Modelo & Margaritas!
RE: Same here....am presssure washing pool deck getting pool cleaned up...  
JayBinQueens : 5/24/2024 6:06 pm : link
In comment 16524145 BocaGene said:
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Tomorrow is Taco Party with Modelo & Margaritas!


Sounds better than a Mets game!
RE: Same here....am presssure washing pool deck getting pool cleaned up...  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/24/2024 6:46 pm : link
In comment 16524145 BocaGene said:
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Tomorrow is Taco Party with Modelo & Margaritas!


When I first read this I thought you said "Models and Margaritas". That sounded even better...
Lol  
moze1021 : 5/24/2024 9:24 pm : link
Nightmare season


In some really ugly uniforms tonight too

Blow. It. Up.
this team is cursed  
Eric on Li : 5/25/2024 9:32 am : link
it's almost more entertaining to see how they lost when you dont see the games more than when you do see them. both melvin and chapman say the play he made to end it was the best play he's ever made lol

separately i dont know whats gotten into vientos because he is literally playing out of his mind more than he has even in the minors, and under the hood his numbers aren't even that glaringly inflated (his average exit velo is actually down, his hard hit rate is same as his other years, launch angle similar, BABIP is high but not crazy at .348).

we dont have bat tracking to compare to prior, but a few things that stand out there are that he has the highest % of competitive swings on the team (93.8%) and also the 2nd highest % of fast swings on the team behind Alonso.



combining fast swings with high EV and good swing decisions seems like a durable combination for long term success even if it will obviously end up way lower than his current 228 RC / 1.167 ops.

oh and shoutout to his defense. still neutral (0) on OAA and now over 27 starts at 3b he has 3 errors. that is playable regularly. from what ive seen eye test he is better than JDD ever was at 3b as a Met, and it's getting hard and harder to see his ultimately outcome not being better than JDD across the board.

think the time has come to send baty down so he can get regular ABs and hopefully re-ignite himself. hopefully he's ready to come up within a month and closer to deadline they can move someone to make a spot for him. i think id call up iglesias for now and hope acuna can also get ignited to put himself in the mix over the next month.
one more for today  
Eric on Li : 5/25/2024 9:42 am : link
if vientos was in the top 200 swings, he'd be right next to yandy diaz on this chart. yandy currently has the 4th best blast rate in mlb at 20.2%, if vientos qualified his 16.7% would be 16th best.

top right is where you want to be - lots of squared up contact at high swing speed.

RE: this team is cursed  
Optimus-NY : 5/25/2024 11:36 am : link
In comment 16524393 Eric on Li said:
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it's almost more entertaining to see how they lost when you dont see the games more than when you do see them. both melvin and chapman say the play he made to end it was the best play he's ever made lol

separately i dont know whats gotten into vientos because he is literally playing out of his mind more than he has even in the minors, and under the hood his numbers aren't even that glaringly inflated (his average exit velo is actually down, his hard hit rate is same as his other years, launch angle similar, BABIP is high but not crazy at .348).

we dont have bat tracking to compare to prior, but a few things that stand out there are that he has the highest % of competitive swings on the team (93.8%) and also the 2nd highest % of fast swings on the team behind Alonso.



combining fast swings with high EV and good swing decisions seems like a durable combination for long term success even if it will obviously end up way lower than his current 228 RC / 1.167 ops.

oh and shoutout to his defense. still neutral (0) on OAA and now over 27 starts at 3b he has 3 errors. that is playable regularly. from what ive seen eye test he is better than JDD ever was at 3b as a Met, and it's getting hard and harder to see his ultimately outcome not being better than JDD across the board.

think the time has come to send baty down so he can get regular ABs and hopefully re-ignite himself. hopefully he's ready to come up within a month and closer to deadline they can move someone to make a spot for him. i think id call up iglesias for now and hope acuna can also get ignited to put himself in the mix over the next month.


It's funny that you say that Eric ("it's almost more entertaining to see how they lost when you don't see the games more than when you do see them.") because I went out to dinner with a friend last night and we're both big Mets fans. He had a tryout with the Bucs years ago and is a baseball jock type. He loves all sports, but baseball is his main thing. We were in the car driving back to his house in Nassau County from Queens and guess what---it was right when the grand salami was hit offa Garrett. LMAO. You couldn't have scripted it! These jokers are cursed. All we could do is laugh after a second or two of disgust and surprise.
Getting Alvarez and Senga back should help.  
Ira : 5/25/2024 11:49 am : link
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Alvy and Senga aren’t fixing this mess  
CooperDash : 5/25/2024 11:55 am : link
Besides, Senga had a setback and Alvarez had cooled down quite a bit before he went out. This team needs and exorcism.
Ronny Mauricio could still be part of the future  
allstarjim : 5/25/2024 1:05 pm : link
And if he is, logically that would probably be third.

Means Vientos next year would either have to replace Pete at 1B if the former is traded or leaves in FA, or DH only.

It does seem like this team is about ready for the young players to take over, probably led by Nimmo, Lindor, Alvarez. All the other current regulars I hope are flipped for assets.
This is on Mendoza  
BocaGene : 5/25/2024 1:14 pm : link
Ottavino was ready.

Garrett had just walked two straight guys with two out..o
RE: RE: this team is cursed  
Eric on Li : 5/25/2024 1:17 pm : link
In comment 16524437 Optimus-NY said:
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It's funny that you say that Eric ("it's almost more entertaining to see how they lost when you don't see the games more than when you do see them.") because I went out to dinner with a friend last night and we're both big Mets fans. He had a tryout with the Bucs years ago and is a baseball jock type. He loves all sports, but baseball is his main thing. We were in the car driving back to his house in Nassau County from Queens and guess what---it was right when the grand salami was hit offa Garrett. LMAO. You couldn't have scripted it! These jokers are cursed. All we could do is laugh after a second or two of disgust and surprise.


im traveling so i was out but was checking score on phone. stopped checking after GS. saw highlights today, saw they got the 1 run back and bases loaded, then saw the chapman play and was just floored. to come all the way back like that and then lose it because the only guy since rolen who can make that play makes that play is a whole new level of finding ways to lose. i guess maybe arenado or machado could make it too, but i still cant believe he made it.
RE: Alvy and Senga aren’t fixing this mess  
Eric on Li : 5/25/2024 1:19 pm : link
In comment 16524445 CooperDash said:
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Besides, Senga had a setback and Alvarez had cooled down quite a bit before he went out. This team needs and exorcism.


agree about the exorcism.

for all the pete bellyaching a few weeks ago he's now on pace for almost 80xbh and 40 homers. he's hitting .240 even with a low babip.

when they hit they dont pitch, when they pitch they dont hit.

when they hit and pitch they dont play d.
Senga  
Hilary : 5/25/2024 2:37 pm : link
I don't believe Senga simply has tendonitis. He has been inactive for quite a while. There has to be structural problem such as a calcium deposit, bone spur , tendon tear or arthritic elbow that causes him to be inflamed every time he throws. He will be in the scoping room before he is on the mound. We won't see him this year.
RE: RE: Alvy and Senga aren’t fixing this mess  
CooperDash : 5/25/2024 2:48 pm : link
In comment 16524476 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16524445 CooperDash said:


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Besides, Senga had a setback and Alvarez had cooled down quite a bit before he went out. This team needs and exorcism.



agree about the exorcism.

for all the pete bellyaching a few weeks ago he's now on pace for almost 80xbh and 40 homers. he's hitting .240 even with a low babip.

when they hit they dont pitch, when they pitch they dont hit.

when they hit and pitch they dont play d.


I get it with regards to Alonso. BUT - you just can’t have the star of your team be a complete no-show for the first 1.5/2 months of the season. And the Mets have a team full of them.

I understand and that baseball players are streaky - but I feel like the Mets take that to a whole new level. And now they are I a hole that they won’t be able to dig out of. But I guess that 3rd WC spot is always there. But it doesn’t really mean anything if your team is horrible.

This team needs a kick in the ass. And a leader that actually shows up. As it is, I beer best hitter is a young player that they’ve shown to have zero faith in.

I’m really looking for this team to give me something, anything to be excited about other than Cohen’s money. And all of them (players, mgr, scouting, Stearns) continue to underwhelm me.
coop none of that is unfair but here's a slightly different pov  
Eric on Li : 5/25/2024 2:55 pm : link
i think teams or organizations get better when they add more good players or people. subtracting may be the right decisions sometimes but even if so, it isn't adding.

1 of the reasons i would have traded for soto in the offseason is because he is the elite all around hitter you are looking for. he is 1 of a very very small handful better than lindor/alonso.

hard to name more than a few clearly in the category, and a lot harder to name any who are or project to be available in the next 12-24 months.

and if the mets sign him and he doesnt light the world on fire like he did his first april with nyy, people will criticize him too, even though there's no better all around hitter than him. because even the best hitters fail more than 2/3's of the time.

any 1 player is never going to be the answer - it has to be a well constructed full roster.
reyes was in AAA outrighted by boston 20 days ago so  
Eric on Li : 5/25/2024 3:06 pm : link
this may not mean he's a big league addition, could be a backfill at AAA if iglesias is coming up.

in 5 games at AAA reyes has been hitting though (6 for 13 with 4 walks).


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RE: coop none of that is unfair but here's a slightly different pov  
CooperDash : 5/25/2024 4:15 pm : link
In comment 16524516 Eric on Li said:
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i think teams or organizations get better when they add more good players or people. subtracting may be the right decisions sometimes but even if so, it isn't adding.

1 of the reasons i would have traded for soto in the offseason is because he is the elite all around hitter you are looking for. he is 1 of a very very small handful better than lindor/alonso.

hard to name more than a few clearly in the category, and a lot harder to name any who are or project to be available in the next 12-24 months.

and if the mets sign him and he doesnt light the world on fire like he did his first april with nyy, people will criticize him too, even though there's no better all around hitter than him. because even the best hitters fail more than 2/3's of the time.

any 1 player is never going to be the answer - it has to be a well constructed full roster.


I don’t disagree with anything you said. Quality points. “Underwhelmed” is how I currently feel about the state of the team and the decisions they made. But by no means am I giving up of the FO or manager at this point.

But the players - I do believe we need a shake up. Let’s move on from McNeil. I’ve never been more done with a player than him. Let Mauricio take that spot. And I’m still pretty indifferent on Alonso. Him wanting a lot more $$$ than Matt Olsen is absolutely crazy to me - because Olsen is the clear better player (even with his slow start this season). If Alonso wants to come back k on a fair contract, then okay - but I’m super concerned with how he ages going too.

And this team really needs to embrace their young players. We e been saying it for years and they’ve wasted prime opportunities to do this while they “rebuild”. And I mean really buy into the youth. Not this bullshit they e been doing.

And I really hope that Stearns shows more creativity than what he showed this offseason.
RE: RE: coop none of that is unfair but here's a slightly different pov  
Eric on Li : 5/26/2024 9:39 am : link
In comment 16524536 CooperDash said:
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And I really hope that Stearns shows more creativity than what he showed this offseason.


stearns mostly had a good offseason if you go down the guys he added (severino, manaea, bader, jdm, taylor, lopez, etc).

if they are able to get a bunch of prospects at deadline it will be in large part because of the guys he added working out.

the single biggest reason the team is where it is right now is diaz. he has 4 blown saves in a row, and he impacted a 5th since they had already pitched him in a non-save situation trying to rehab him.

as i mentioned in yesterday's game thread i put that on stearns to some degree and that is why i wanted robertson back. expecting diaz to struggle to this level wasnt necessarily forseable, but depending so heavily on any player coming off any major injury at a volatile position is risky. they had no reliable backup option.

they knew even best case there were going to be a lot of 1 run games this year and they had to be on the right side of them. that's where they dropped the ball imo.

diaz has already allowed 5 homers in 20 innings when he allowed 6 in 120+ innings over 2021-2022.

if diaz only blows 1 of the last 5 they are 25-26 right now.
RE: RE: RE: coop none of that is unfair but here's a slightly different pov  
CooperDash : 5/26/2024 10:11 am : link
In comment 16524732 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16524536 CooperDash said:


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And I really hope that Stearns shows more creativity than what he showed this offseason.



stearns mostly had a good offseason if you go down the guys he added (severino, manaea, bader, jdm, taylor, lopez, etc).


Fair points on the players you mentioned. But he’s also had a bunch of clunkers as well. But it also seems that’s he’s been willing to move on from them fairly quickly. Bader publicly complaining about playing time also fits into clubhouse issue.

Diaz is a problem, but doesn’t completely erase the stink of this team. Not sure what to do with him. I’d almost like him to spend some time in the minors to help figure this thing out - because this is also affecting him mentally big time as well. But it’s hard to keep trotting him out there on the pro club.
he didnt have many stinkers  
Eric on Li : 5/26/2024 1:06 pm : link
houser and wendle maybe, but both were cheap adds, one gone the other probably gone when peterson is back.

the offense (and defense) underachieving is a problem that predates him. it's disappointing but i dont blame him for not having a magic wand.

the BP falling apart in May because they had no diaz backup plan ill blame on him though. neris was out there all offseason, he has 6 saves and only 1 blown. robertson was out there for a while too.
Senga  
DanMetroMan : 5/26/2024 1:09 pm : link
Filmed walking on the field holding his shoulder. See ya in 2025
RE: he didnt have many stinkers  
CooperDash : 5/26/2024 2:17 pm : link
In comment 16524783 Eric on Li said:
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houser and wendle maybe, but both were cheap adds, one gone the other probably gone when peterson is back.

the offense (and defense) underachieving is a problem that predates him. it's disappointing but i dont blame him for not having a magic wand.

the BP falling apart in May because they had no diaz backup plan ill blame on him though. neris was out there all offseason, he has 6 saves and only 1 blown. robertson was out there for a while too.


Houser, Wendle, Short, Tonkin (twice), keeping Stewart, keeping Vientos in the minors. We can agree to disagree.
Non-contact left knee injury for Acuna  
JoeMoney19 : 5/26/2024 2:21 pm : link
Different knee from his previous tear and he limped off under his own power, but it did not look good.
RE: RE: he didnt have many stinkers  
Eric on Li : 5/26/2024 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16524801 CooperDash said:
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In comment 16524783 Eric on Li said:


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houser and wendle maybe, but both were cheap adds, one gone the other probably gone when peterson is back.

the offense (and defense) underachieving is a problem that predates him. it's disappointing but i dont blame him for not having a magic wand.

the BP falling apart in May because they had no diaz backup plan ill blame on him though. neris was out there all offseason, he has 6 saves and only 1 blown. robertson was out there for a while too.



Houser, Wendle, Short, Tonkin (twice), keeping Stewart, keeping Vientos in the minors. We can agree to disagree.


short was a waiver claim. tonkin made basically league minimum. both were claimed by other mlb teams when cut. im pretty sure stewart was under contract (also right around the minimum).

if the worst moves were waiver claims of no consequence that's pretty good.
Stearns  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2024 3:38 pm : link
didn't have a terrible off-season because he basically didn't do much.

the rotation coming in with Senga was pretty bad.

The Mets have the 8th worst ERA for starters in MLB.
The Mets bullpen depth was also questionable and the Mets have 8 blown saves.

he waited very late to sign JDM almost like he was dumpster diving waiting for prices to come down causing a delay before they added a needed bat to the lineup. It was almost May before JDM made his Mets debut.

Almost everyone expected this to be a transition season. Just not the "stars" to look so bad during it.
I don’t care if it was a waiver claim or a player that he signed on  
CooperDash : 5/26/2024 4:20 pm : link
the cheap. And I’m not sure why that matters. And it should discount the decision either. These are player that Stearns brought in (twice). And Stewart being on a league minimum contract for the year doesn’t mean you can’t cut him. If anything, it’s easier to cut him because of the low cost.

Look - I never said that Stearns offseason was terrible or even bad. I said it was underwhelming. I would have hoped he came in with more of a plan (maybe he did?). Still don’t understand the JDM signing. If they were looking punt the season anyway, then why not ride Vientos for the season? You can still give playing time at 1st and 3rd - or even more playing time at 3rd if Baty falters. But JDM is the least of my worries.

But if you want to feel like Stearns did a great job, more power to you. I look forward to his moves this upcoming offseason.
you know waiver claims are players other teams cut right?  
Eric on Li : 5/26/2024 7:02 pm : link
every team has a chance to claim them. the point of mentioning that a player is a waiver claim is bc the expectations for a waiver claim should be 0. teams probably make like 20-30 claims over the course of a calendar year, maybe more because they are filling roster spots because of injuries that cant easily be filled ahead of time because of the 40 man roster limit. they are MLB's version of practice squad players.

is it not obvious to place more weight on the guys he actually targeted and paid good money to? these were his only 4 adds above league avg salary and make up about 64m of the 79m he gave out:



right now manaea and severino each have better era's than yamamoto. that is not a put down on yamamoto i would take him on this roster in a heartbeat, but i can recognize that stearns did a pretty good job finding 2 SP with sub 3.5 eras and basically the same number of innings pitched for a fraction of the cost.

bader has obviously been very good, he's tracking toward a 3 fwar season and in addition to the glove been probably clutchest hitter on the team this year. martinez the highest non-vientos batting average on team and a 120 rc.

if the argument is he should have done more in the BP or more aggressively gone for soto, we are in total agreement. I would have done both of those things. but the guys he brought in are the guys exceeding expectations, the guys he inherited are the ones who arent. seems like something worth recognizing.
I get it, Eric. You think Stearns is doing a great job.  
CooperDash : 5/26/2024 11:15 pm : link
I’m not quite there yet. But willing to wait it out.
RE: I get it, Eric. You think Stearns is doing a great job.  
Eric on Li : 5/26/2024 11:21 pm : link
In comment 16525122 CooperDash said:
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I’m not quite there yet. But willing to wait it out.


i wouldnt say great because the results are the results. team building isnt over night though and out of the players available in the offseason i think he mostly chose well.
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