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| Daniel Jones has a big opportunity to right his wrongs: Jones’ 63.0 overall grade in 2023 was the lowest in his NFL tenure, and he was very hot or cold throughout the season. His games at Arizona and Miami were outstanding, but he struggled mightily against Las Vegas, Dallas and Seattle. |
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| NEW YORK GIANTS: QB DANIEL JONES There might not be a more polarizing player in the league than Jones and his four-year, $160 million contract. Suffering a neck injury and an ACL tear before Week 9 last year didn’t help his case. Jones’ 63.0 overall grade in 2023 was the lowest in his NFL tenure, and he was very hot or cold throughout the season. His games at Arizona and Miami were outstanding, but he struggled mightily against Las Vegas, Dallas and Seattle. Nonetheless, Jones was still a strong runner all around, putting forth a second straight year with a running grade of 82.2 or better. The former No. 6 overall might not be a world-beater this year, but expect mor ofe consistency than he exhibited a year ago. If nothing else, his 4.1% turnover-worthy play rate will probably look more like it did from 2020-22. Adding Malik Nabers to the fray is a reason to project upward trends. |
I think we all hope Jones bounces back this fall. I, for one, don't expect it, but hope springs eternal right?
14 for 19 doesn't look bad at first glance, but only 119 yards with six sacks.
Bottom line, before Jones went out injured at the start of the 4Q, the Giant offense was responsible for putting 3 points on the board.
The other 10 points the Giants had scored to that point in the game had come for a pick 6 and another INT deep in Dolphin territory that the Giants offense did nothing with and resulted in a FG.
Three points in three quarters ain't outstanding.
He was simply historically bad last year
He had 2 TDs in 160 passing attempts and those TDs came in 1 half of 1 game
It was absolutely abysmal last year and the sooner everyone can say the truth and not mince words the better
The Giants were outscored 160-58 in his time on the field last year and thats with 31 pts in 1 half
The Giants offense didnt score a TD vs the Cowboys, Seahawks or Dolphins with Jones on the field. He didn’t score in his one quarter vs Raiders either.
The Giants offense scored 1 TD vs 49ers and it came on a 2 play 37 yd drive where we received a pass interference call for 22 yds of the drive. The ball was then run in from the 8 yd line.
We opened the season with 6 scoreless quarters of football. Zero points.
Jones finished his season without scoring a TD on offense in his final 8 quarters of football vs Seattle, Miami and Raiders
Jones threw as many TDs to his opponents as he did to the Giants last year. He had 2 pick 6s.
It was as bad as it gets last year from Jones. Reality must be acknowledged
He was simply historically bad last year
He had 2 TDs in 160 passing attempts and those TDs came in 1 half of 1 game
It was absolutely abysmal last year and the sooner everyone can say the truth and not mince words the better
The Giants were outscored 160-58 in his time on the field last year and thats with 31 pts in 1 half
The Giants offense didnt score a TD vs the Cowboys, Seahawks or Dolphins with Jones on the field. He didn’t score in his one quarter vs Raiders either.
The Giants offense scored 1 TD vs 49ers and it came on a 2 play 37 yd drive where we received a pass interference call for 22 yds of the drive. The ball was then run in from the 8 yd line.
We opened the season with 6 scoreless quarters of football. Zero points.
Jones finished his season without scoring a TD on offense in his final 8 quarters of football vs Seattle, Miami and Raiders
Jones threw as many TDs to his opponents as he did to the Giants last year. He had 2 pick 6s.
It was as bad as it gets last year from Jones. Reality must be acknowledged
Yes. Yes. Yes. Jones was completely putrid last season. We can't have a starting QB with that kind of performance within the range of outcomes.
It was undoubtedly the worst performance by a QB after signing a giant contract.
I'm not sure it's possible to make a stupider statement, but that shouldn't stop you from trying. We have 3 months to kill.
Mediocre at best. Lets look at that. The statement was at 25 TDs we should let Jones walk cause he's not worth it.
Lets count the assininity:
1) 25 TDs is good for 10th in the league. It's 2 less than Mahomes threw. Yup, ditch him too.
2) TDs - the stat everyone harps on because it's the only one Jones sucked in - is also the single stat most dependent on the rest of the offense.
3) $40MM is year is -- rather precisely -- average NFL starting QB salary and, also, the mean. This means:
-- you'd be paying average salary for above average production (at 25 TDs)
-- literally half the league is devoting that much or more to their QB ..... but you can't build a team that way?
-- what signings are the Giants cap constrained on? None.
That's just a few.....no point in adding more here at Dunning-Kruger Interactive.
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tying up 45 million in a mediocre at best QB hampers your ability to build a team. I don't understand how people don't get this. When you are paid that much you have to elevate others and be THE reason a team win. Not a guy you maybe can win with if conditions are perfect. You can be that when you are on a rookie deal. Not on the Jones contract.
Mediocre at best. Lets look at that. The statement was at 25 TDs we should let Jones walk cause he's not worth it.
Lets count the assininity:
1) 25 TDs is good for 10th in the league. It's 2 less than Mahomes threw. Yup, ditch him too.
2) TDs - the stat everyone harps on because it's the only one Jones sucked in - is also the single stat most dependent on the rest of the offense.
3) $40MM is year is -- rather precisely -- average NFL starting QB salary and, also, the mean. This means:
-- you'd be paying average salary for above average production (at 25 TDs)
-- literally half the league is devoting that much or more to their QB ..... but you can't build a team that way?
-- what signings are the Giants cap constrained on? None.
That's just a few.....no point in adding more here at Dunning-Kruger Interactive.
He couldn't outplay Tommy DeVito. He's the worst starting QB in the NFL. And you think paying him $40M a year. I want to play in your fantasy league
It is true that the Giants have put precious little around Jones for his time here. Unfortunately he is now being paid like a guy who is supposed to elevate the players around him, yet the bar still seems to be that the team is letting him down.
I would love to see Jones stat healthy and play 17 games and do it at a high level. Aside from a very small minority, I don’t think anyone actively roots against their own team. But even if he throws for 3,500 yards and 25 TDs and the Giants go the playoffs and win a game, I would still go into next year with QB as my top priority next season. There is no reason to believe Jones can maintain that level of productivity and if we get that from him he may actually have some trade value.
It is hard to explain why this QB has been given such a long leash.
Not to mention no Barkley, Waller, and Wanedale Robinson
not ready yet for prime time
over his career he has been accurate, completed a high% of passes, and been very good at not throwing INTs. his fumbles got better too. also a solid runner.
i know that's not the sexiest description of a QB, it's Alex Smith, but that's why ive basically compared him to alex smith for going on 6 years now. ironically in alex smith's case he did play well until his actual 6th year. before that he threw way more INTs (3%+) and wasnt even that accurate (below 60% passing).
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tying up 45 million in a mediocre at best QB hampers your ability to build a team. I don't understand how people don't get this. When you are paid that much you have to elevate others and be THE reason a team win. Not a guy you maybe can win with if conditions are perfect. You can be that when you are on a rookie deal. Not on the Jones contract.
Mediocre at best. Lets look at that. The statement was at 25 TDs we should let Jones walk cause he's not worth it.
Lets count the assininity:
1) 25 TDs is good for 10th in the league. It's 2 less than Mahomes threw. Yup, ditch him too.
2) TDs - the stat everyone harps on because it's the only one Jones sucked in - is also the single stat most dependent on the rest of the offense.
3) $40MM is year is -- rather precisely -- average NFL starting QB salary and, also, the mean. This means:
-- you'd be paying average salary for above average production (at 25 TDs)
-- literally half the league is devoting that much or more to their QB ..... but you can't build a team that way?
-- what signings are the Giants cap constrained on? None.
That's just a few.....no point in adding more here at Dunning-Kruger Interactive.
What are you talking about? TDs is Jones only bad stat? What are his good stats?
His passing yards, his yards per attempt are terrible
Out of 34 starting QBs over the past decade with 1000 pass attempts Jones ranks 34 in yards per completion, he ranks 27th in yards per game, he ranks 30th in QB rating.
How how about the other 54 games in his career? Those numbers aren’t good either
pretty sure there's a lot more crossover between the people who shit on eli over his whole career and have shit on jones his whole career than vice versa.
Not to mention no Barkley, Waller, and Wanedale Robinson
not ready yet for prime time
Jones had Darren Waller on the field for every game he played, except the 1Q against the Raiders in Week 9.
It's Schoen's excuse-making that has people thinking otherwise.
The only games he had poor games with in that second half in '22 was DET and PHI. Barkley ran 30+ vs Houston but their only scoring drives were when they threw the ball. Those excellent receivers like David Sills and Marcus Johnson.
I'm not for paying him what he's making and keeping him beyond 2024, unless he took a massive jump and re-did his deal. I feel outside a selected few, other QB's in this league are regular season warriors (Cousins, Lamar, Dak), masked by their surroundings (Hurts, Purdy, Goff). There's potential in guys like Love to me but still lots of time for opponents to get film on him and his offense, as they always do. Then there's massive overpays to guys who never should've been paid, like Murray and Watson. But it's what desperate teams do. The Russell Wilson situation is another and Producer fell in love with that idea, and stands by that horseshit today. I always feel drafting QB's often is the thing to do unless the front office and HC is hellbent on him believing he can win them a championship. An Eli, and not a Romo or McNabb.
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Not to mention no Barkley, Waller, and Wanedale Robinson
not ready yet for prime time
Jones had Darren Waller on the field for every game he played, except the 1Q against the Raiders in Week 9.
It's Schoen's excuse-making that has people thinking otherwise.
Waller was questionable going into Week 1. He never really looked healthy until late in the year.
Can we play that exact Colts team 10x a year please?...
This is how you know you got the wrong fucking guy. Remembering fondly one of his only great games from two years ago against a shit team with nothing to play for.
over his career he has been accurate, completed a high% of passes, and been very good at not throwing INTs. his fumbles got better too. also a solid runner.
i know that's not the sexiest description of a QB, it's Alex Smith, but that's why ive basically compared him to alex smith for going on 6 years now. ironically in alex smith's case he did play well until his actual 6th year. before that he threw way more INTs (3%+) and wasnt even that accurate (below 60% passing).
Jones is a B+/A type QB. Like that contract.
A quarter of a season? It’s been 5 fucking years!
It is hard to explain why this QB has been given such a long leash.
It's easy to explain the leash if you look at it as a long list of lousy players surrounding him.
I thought I might see names like Bellinger, Hawkins, Neal, JMS…not Waller, a poor Golladay ‘solve the offense in one signing’ mistake by JS.
While we’re on the subject of Bounceback CandidateSSS, what about Schoen?
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Is beyond Jones. And it's still QB hell even if he could get there.
It is hard to explain why this QB has been given such a long leash.
It's easy to explain the leash if you look at it as a long list of lousy players surrounding him.
So why is the assumption that if the players around him are bad, Jones must actually be good? Can’t you surround a bad QB with a bad supporting cast too?
I would argue there is much more evidence to support the latter is what happened, not the former.
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who shit on Eli for his entire career as a Giant can't get enough of Daniel Jones. You guys are nuts.
funny how people who shit on Eli early in his career are the same people who are shitting on Jones early in his career. You guys are nuts.
Jones is no longer 'early in his career'. This is year six, not year three.
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In comment 16524497 ElitoCanton said:
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who shit on Eli for his entire career as a Giant can't get enough of Daniel Jones. You guys are nuts.
funny how people who shit on Eli early in his career are the same people who are shitting on Jones early in his career. You guys are nuts.
Jones is no longer 'early in his career'. This is year six, not year three.
By this point in his career, Eli had already won a SuperBowl MVP. Jones is much later in his career that Eli was when he was getting criticized. Poor analogy.
I would argue there is much more evidence to support the latter is what happened, not the former.
But if we start like last year the team is done. Jones is done. But we should have a much improved OL and receiving corps so I believe Jones will be very good next year just not an elite guy.
At this point, Dabolls job security probably is tied to Jones.
People want to say that DeVito was better than Jones last year but when you compare a common game against the Cowboys the stats are similar. Jones 15/28 for 104 yards and 2 INTs. DeVito 14/27 for 86 yards 2TDs and an INT. We lost 40-0 and 49-17. If the coaches thought of DeVito as anything more than a practice squad QB they wouldn’t have signed Lock or claimed Rourke. If they thought Taylor was better he would have played in 2022, they had no ties back then to Jones.
90% of the people here don’t even know what processing speed is or looks like but repeat it because it’s a narrative they like. 2023 was a bad season for all players on O not just Jones. Barkley was terrible as well. Jones isn’t a guy that can elevate a team, he needs a supporting cast like most QBs in the league. This is his season to either prove he is the guy or prove he isn’t.
The people who are rooting for the guy to fail are just ridiculous. Either way, it’s going to take 2-3 seasons for his replacement to make an impact, very rare for a rookie to be successful. You should hope that Jones is the guy or you are looking at 3 more terrible years including 2024.
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I would argue there is much more evidence to support the latter is what happened, not the former.
The "experts" whose livelihoods depend on Jones playing well, believe in him; the "experts" whose livelihoods depend on clicks, do not. That's the evidence that comes from "money talks, bull shit walks" (which is oftentimes the most reliable evidence).
The "experts" whose paychecks are signed by John Mara believe in him. The "experts" whose livelihood does not depend on pleasing Mr. Mara do not. That's the evidence that comes from common sense.
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I would argue there is much more evidence to support the latter is what happened, not the former.
The "experts" whose livelihoods depend on Jones playing well, believe in him; the "experts" whose livelihoods depend on clicks, do not. That's the evidence that comes from "money talks, bull shit walks" (which is oftentimes the most reliable evidence).
The "experts" whose paychecks are signed by John Mara believe in him. The "experts" whose livelihood does not depend on pleasing Mr. Mara do not. That's the evidence that comes from common sense.
It's actually much simpler. Schoen, Daboll, Kafka, Tierney, Mara, and all the others who collectively came to decide to extend Jones believe in him. They're not changing their minds because of 4 bad games with unprecedented (likely in NFL history) OL issues. No more "evidence" is required. Just an understanding of how professional executives make decisions.