I took ojacs comment as about us fans, not the team. The team deserves it, Igor is part of the team. Us fans? I'm self aware enough to know rangers fans are hardcore fucking doomers
I took ojacs comment as about us fans, not the team. The team deserves it, Igor is part of the team. Us fans? I'm self aware enough to know rangers fans are hardcore fucking doomers
oh, yeah, 100% the fans. and you know I'm just giving you all shit. Fun playoff ride so far. But great call NYR fans are Such doomers, lol. You all live and die with every play and I love it and I hate it. lol. Hopefully you don't mind my commentary. In the past Rangers fans have asked me not to post on their threads. This was about a decade ago though. Some of the thinner skin fans have left the site or mellowed out.
Whoever mentioned Evan Rodrigues hit the nail on the head - dude was facedown on the ice for five minutes yet showed absolutely no ill effects.
I was surprised that wasn't a major. NYR lucked out IMO whether or not it was embellished. The broadcast crew wouldn't shut up about it - even the studio crew in between periods. But they never showed a view with the point of contact, so I have to believe it was elbow to shoulder or I have no explanation.
And while we're on the topic. PK Subban is horrendous. He is just downright brutal and so is Messier and Bissonette and the ESPN crew are awful too, all brutal. TNT, ESPN, just shitty studio crews.
they should get the Hockey Night in Canada crew from sportsnet. Kelly Hrudey, Kevin Bieksa, Jennifer Botterill, and hosted by Ron McLean for in between periods or at least watch and learn how it's done.
The best moments were when they have Shaq in studio - he's hilarious. Hank isn't bad, but he sticks out with that crew like a sore thumb (in a good way, but he doesn't fit in).
I took ojacs comment as about us fans, not the team. The team deserves it, Igor is part of the team. Us fans? I'm self aware enough to know rangers fans are hardcore fucking doomers
oh, yeah, 100% the fans. and you know I'm just giving you all shit. Fun playoff ride so far. But great call NYR fans are Such doomers, lol. You all live and die with every play and I love it and I hate it. lol. Hopefully you don't mind my commentary. In the past Rangers fans have asked me not to post on their threads. This was about a decade ago though. Some of the thinner skin fans have left the site or mellowed out.
I think after a loss I'd be less present.
Lol, I don't remember that at all.
Game threads are explosive. But I think we have a good group who laughs at themselves after.
I took ojacs comment as about us fans, not the team. The team deserves it, Igor is part of the team. Us fans? I'm self aware enough to know rangers fans are hardcore fucking doomers
oh, yeah, 100% the fans. and you know I'm just giving you all shit. Fun playoff ride so far. But great call NYR fans are Such doomers, lol. You all live and die with every play and I love it and I hate it. lol. Hopefully you don't mind my commentary. In the past Rangers fans have asked me not to post on their threads. This was about a decade ago though. Some of the thinner skin fans have left the site or mellowed out.
I think after a loss I'd be less present.
If you're the reason Arcarsenal is nowhere to be seen, I'll never forgive you.
But if you're the reason why Jon in NJ left...well then, GIDDY UP!
I took ojacs comment as about us fans, not the team. The team deserves it, Igor is part of the team. Us fans? I'm self aware enough to know rangers fans are hardcore fucking doomers
oh, yeah, 100% the fans. and you know I'm just giving you all shit. Fun playoff ride so far. But great call NYR fans are Such doomers, lol. You all live and die with every play and I love it and I hate it. lol. Hopefully you don't mind my commentary. In the past Rangers fans have asked me not to post on their threads. This was about a decade ago though. Some of the thinner skin fans have left the site or mellowed out.
I think after a loss I'd be less present.
Lol, I don't remember that at all.
Game threads are explosive. But I think we have a good group who laughs at themselves after.
in the 07-12 days, I def recall this happening lol..board is just a bit more dead than it was back then
Whoever mentioned Evan Rodrigues hit the nail on the head - dude was facedown on the ice for five minutes yet showed absolutely no ill effects.
I was surprised that wasn't a major. NYR lucked out IMO whether or not it was embellished. The broadcast crew wouldn't shut up about it - even the studio crew in between periods. But they never showed a view with the point of contact, so I have to believe it was elbow to shoulder or I have no explanation.
And while we're on the topic. PK Subban is horrendous. He is just downright brutal and so is Messier and Bissonette and the ESPN crew are awful too, all brutal. TNT, ESPN, just shitty studio crews.
they should get the Hockey Night in Canada crew from sportsnet. Kelly Hrudey, Kevin Bieksa, Jennifer Botterill, and hosted by Ron McLean for in between periods or at least watch and learn how it's done.
The best moments were when they have Shaq in studio - he's hilarious. Hank isn't bad, but he sticks out with that crew like a sore thumb (in a good way, but he doesn't fit in).
Couldn’t agree more.
ESPN’s coverage has been abysmal!
The studio crew sound like a bunch of fanboys sitting in a basement, swilling beer and providing nothing more than stammering banter.
Steve Levy is a net negative and Slewbban is more concerned with what he’s going to wear on set than he is with meaningful analysis. Unless of course you consider his analysis of what the players are wearing as they make their way into the arena before the game.
The in game broadcast is an abomination. The director in the truck inexplicably repeatedly throws camera shots to a close up of a given player skating off on change while the puck is being carried up ice or we see a tight shot of Igor or Bobvrosky after a save while the puck is still live and going the other way. This happens multiple times a game and is inexcusable.
TNT is led by Bozo Bissonette and his unbuttoned shirt, constant screwing with his facial hair and meandering. He’s not awful when he’s focused on the game analysis but his ADHD has him wandering off again.
A week ago or so he called Yandle an asshole on air after Yandle threw a bard at him. While it might not sound like a big deal it speaks to his level of buffoonery brand that he clearly enjoys all too much.
Liam McHugh and his cartoon frog voice is grating and he doesn’t help rein in Biz for fear he won’t come across as one of the boys.
ESPN and TNT can be so much better but I just don’t think they care e out about what a real hockey audience is looking for.
It may come across as biased but I truly believe there aren’t many better than the MSG in studio crew with Gianone, Vali, Hank and/or Boyler.
They provide a terrific player perspective and in-depth analysis.
and I were always on good terms. I did give him too much shit when he changed from a Mets fan to a Yankees fan but with me it was always in good fun not maliciously like some people. I know he was public on here about experiencing anxiety and having some mental health issues. I hope he's ok.
All the Rangers fans on here are great. Passionate.
Not going to name names, most don't post here any more. I wish they did, the threads were fun, but I did cringe more than I do at some of Anakim's posts.
and I were always on good terms. I did give him too much shit when he changed from a Mets fan to a Yankees fan but with me it was always in good fun not maliciously like some people. I know he was public on here about experiencing anxiety and having some mental health issues. I hope he's ok.
All the Rangers fans on here are great. Passionate.
Not going to name names, most don't post here any more. I wish they did, the threads were fun, but I did cringe more than I do at some of Anakim's posts.
and I were always on good terms. I did give him too much shit when he changed from a Mets fan to a Yankees fan but with me it was always in good fun not maliciously like some people. I know he was public on here about experiencing anxiety and having some mental health issues. I hope he's ok.
All the Rangers fans on here are great. Passionate.
Not going to name names, most don't post here any more. I wish they did, the threads were fun, but I did cringe more than I do at some of Anakim's posts.
Whoever mentioned Evan Rodrigues hit the nail on the head - dude was facedown on the ice for five minutes yet showed absolutely no ill effects.
How about whomever (Bennett?) it was that went down like he was struck by lightning and got the refs to blow a safety whistle during a Rangers odd-man rush? I don't think he even got off the ice for a medical check.
How was that not embellishment? If for no other reason than it made the refs look like morons.
wtf, he was the team's 5th best F in Game 3 (after #91 only because of his GWG) after ## 13, 21, 16. He competed, went to the net, gave the team some possession. Good video of GWG, Wennberg 'wins' the draw and Kakko lifts Kulikov's stick allowing Roslovic to gain possession and shovel to Lindberg for the primary assist--KK not on scoresheet but did the little things that matter:
The 'first' line wilted as usual, invisible, and Panarin looks shell shocked, he can't even get off a clean pass or shot.
Gus was our best d-man, but man, the Panthers owned the ice behind Igor's net. Downright ugly, humbling. Too often again, KAM's clearing attempts picked off/deflected and he chases toward the wall, abandoning crease area = 2 goals. Where are the backchecking Fs??
Rempe was in front of goal on Goody’s first goal yesterday
that's right he was.
Rempe is filling his role effectively. He's in on the forecheck and in front of the net. He should be playing more. That is a perfect 4th line. The Rangers are getting pounded by the Cats physically and need to dish some back. Other than Trocheck and Lafreniere, who in the top 6 is filling his role effectively? Panarin has been shit, dancing around the perimeter now that the going has gotten rough. Mika and Kreider have disappeared. Chytil has added nothing.
They took 6 minors, most just lazy, yesterday, yet Rempe's is the only one talked about.
Thank God for Igor, he stole that game. And that it was an early game so he can get some extra rest.
wtf, he was the team's 5th best F in Game 3 (after #91 only because of his GWG) after ## 13, 21, 16. He competed, went to the net, gave the team some possession. Good video of GWG, Wennberg 'wins' the draw and Kakko lifts Kulikov's stick allowing Roslovic to gain possession and shovel to Lindberg for the primary assist--KK not on scoresheet but did the little things that matter:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1794908197645652115
Amazing how alone #91 is, no Panther w/i 18'. (loved the shot of the FLA fan who looks like he just heard his BFF sleeping with his wife)
The 'first' line wilted as usual, invisible, and Panarin looks shell shocked, he can't even get off a clean pass or shot.
Gus was our best d-man, but man, the Panthers owned the ice behind Igor's net. Downright ugly, humbling. Too often again, KAM's clearing attempts picked off/deflected and he chases toward the wall, abandoning crease area = 2 goals. Where are the backchecking Fs??
Is it me or does Miller seem less assertive when paired with Trouba? And Schneider less likely to rush the puck with Gus? I think they're both better when they play together.
Starting to wonder if something is going on with Panarin. We saw through the start of the Carolina series he was more willing to engage physically and get in the battle. This is a tougher matchup but he looks like he has no legs and the whiffing on shots and mishandling of pucks is just bizarre. Even if he's not producing, you'd never see that. Caught a shot of him on the bench and he looked exhausted. There was some word that some illness was making its way through the team last round. Just speculating, because he looks like he has nothing in the tank.
Considering that, and the slow starts for Mika and Kreider, being up 2-1 is phenomenal.
oh CHP I def agree with you about Kakko. He needs to play
You, me, and Greg can throw Kyle into the Hudson next weekend.
Bobrovsky was clearly grasping at straws for a high stick there.
LOL I like Kakko, I really do!! Just want to see him turn his strong forecheck ability into consistent offense. It's funny, in other Rangers chats I'm in I'm the Kakko defender talking about all the little things he still provides, but here I look like the hater
We won because Igor badly outplayed Bobrowski. Panthers are a very tough team but like Canes they need lucky bounces to score because we have Igor. They needed one goal off a skate and one off a shinpad to get to OT. Shesty was the difference vs Canes as well. Fox has been brutal and Panarin is in panic mode every time he touches puck but our goaltender has carried us so far. Hope our scorers start to score and we will close them out .
but...per the analytics it was more Bobrovsky shitting the bed than Igor playing hero ball.
The analytics show xGA for Igor of 3.84 and he allowed 4 goals for a net negative in goals saved above expected. In other words he saved most of what he should be expected to but not all, so per the analytics he did not really steal the game. Bobrovsky was brutal. Per the disparity in expected goals, Florida should have won that game and in simulations they win it over 80% of the time. The Rangers did not have a lot of scoring chances that were deemed "expected goals".
Bobrovsky had xGA of 1.691 and allowed 5 goals - which is a playoff worst single game net of a whopping -3.31 goals saved above expected. Bobrovsky has a tendency for clunkers. It had been a while, but for those who remember last year, he was so erratic with FLA began their playoff run, journeyman Alex Lyon was the starter in net.
To fans, who cares, Igor is the best, but underneath the results, he did not play his best game. Not that you should care.
FWIW I thought the Forsling goal off the face off was one Igor should have had. It was a straight shot (a good one to be fair) but from a non-goal scorer. it wasn't like a sniper shooting who beats you plus Igor had a good luck at it without traffic (just shows why I harp on face offs so much).
Anyway, stats aren't everything and xGA is somewhat subjective (like defense stats in baseball) and moneypuck doesn't own a monopoly on determined xGA, so think what you want. Just wanted to provide some context.
PJ, I'm rewatching the game this morning since I watched most of it at a bar or on the bench at my hockey game. And I agree.
The Rangers won John Tortorella style, lol. Igor played well but the Panthers didn't have a million chances. I also thought Igor should have had the first goal.
I like moneypuck (who I used in that last post), natural stat trick (he only had the Panthers with 2.67 xGF so he agrees with you on the first goal), and hockey stat miner (who is a NYR fan (maybe posts on here, lol) also posted that stat about the NYR and winning a series 2 to 1).
You, me, and Greg can throw Kyle into the Hudson next weekend.
Bobrovsky was clearly grasping at straws for a high stick there./////
LOL I like Kakko, I really do!! Just want to see him turn his strong forecheck ability into consistent offense. It's funny, in other Rangers chats I'm in I'm the Kakko defender talking about all the little things he still provides, but here I look like the hater
hater.
glad to be on team KK, done deal, Brett, maybe off the GWB?
Yeah, Bob, Maurice and the rest of them. For a team that has a lot of intimidators, they sure do whine and flop a lot. Rodrigues' making-love-to-the-ice act after JT elbow was EPL-worthy ffs. Off to the dressing room was good theater, poor baby.
Kyle, Artemi, dunno. He hung in pretty well vs CAR, maybe the back-to-back with two physical teams? 3rd and OT he dribbled what should have been passes/shots. Saw that same bench shot you did.
instead of his stick, would the goal still have counted?
yes, if it just ricocheted off his glove and as long as he didn't bat it into the net.
Is this where it gets a little tricky?
He was obviously angling his stick to deflect the puck which is exactly what he did… with the puck hitting the shaft of his stick between his gloves. But if he made the same motion but the puck hit his glove instead… maybe the goal is called off?
Had he just stood there and made no motion whatsoever and the puck smashed off his glove into the goal by accident… that’s gotta be a goal.
But Wennberg made an angling motion with his stick which — while not batting at the ball — may still have been a problematic goal had it gone off his glove. No?
The first goal and the last goal were probably both ones he’d like a do over on. But he made some terrific saves late in the third and in overtime to keep them alive, when the Panthers were dominating the action.
In Bob’s case, while most people are putting the loss on him, the Panthers skaters have much to answer for on the game winner. How on earth was there no one within 30 feet of Wennberg in front of the net?
Can’t expect even the best goalie to clean up all of the messes.
Miller was horrendous in the opening period and nearly blew the game at the start of OT.
As someone mentioned earlier, I too thought that there had to be something wrong with Bread. He was awful yesterday. Avoiding contact, lethargic, and that whiff off the offensive zone face off win was embarrassing.
The first goal and the last goal were probably both ones he’d like a do over on. But he made some terrific saves late in the third and in overtime to keep them alive, when the Panthers were dominating the action.
In Bob’s case, while most people are putting the loss on him, the Panthers skaters have much to answer for on the game winner. How on earth was there no one within 30 feet of Wennberg in front of the net?
A couple of them were on the boards with Gus and Kakko. Kakko actually helped get that puck up the boards to Lindgren. Also, a scramble off a draw like that and guys are going to be out of position. It was a wise move by Lindgren to shoot that when he did.
to be clear, Brett, you're saying that, <in addition to> the Forsling goal--and I agree with pj there--you thought he should have had first goal of the game?
I'll go back to a discussion we had (mostly pj) about Varlamov vs the Canes: I commented that late 3rd in an Islander loss, he looked totally exhausted, sruggled to regain his feet after a butterfly, etc., and that the sheer number of shots 'faced' he was physically a shell of himself. pj countered with the stat that SOG was more like the high 30s and not so beyond the pale, and I countered that the keeper has to "play" every shot taken whether it's a SOG or not because it is not foretold that it does not reach the net/deflected/ or high/wide whatever.
I think yesterday was similar: whatever the SOG or xGA, Igor has to play, to react to, each and every one of the 90 some odd shots taken even if it does not become a SOG. If you saw him skate off after the 3rd, he was drenched and wasted. Reducing his effort to excellence or mediocrity via a statistical result tells only part of the story. That said, I didn't think it was his best game either, but as so often the case behind these Rangers d-men, he didn't have enough help.
The first goal and the last goal were probably both ones he’d like a do over on. But he made some terrific saves late in the third and in overtime to keep them alive, when the Panthers were dominating the action.
In Bob’s case, while most people are putting the loss on him, the Panthers skaters have much to answer for on the game winner. How on earth was there no one within 30 feet of Wennberg in front of the net?
I don't blame goalies for tipped shots like that. That was a great play by Wennberg and believe it or not (I don't know if it was the case with Lindgren) players who shoot from the blue line on plays like that aren't necessarily trying to score, they know it's unlikely to beat an NHL goalie clean from a shot from the blue line, they are shooting for sticks because the tipped shot is so hard to save. It's a big part of practice now, at all levels.
That goal was a breakdown off a face-off. Kulikov chased the loose puck, got caught out of position, OEL for some reason provided board support, and Rodrigues left his guy off the face off (Wennberg).
Not to second guess Paul Maurice, but this is why I don't have our players line up this way. our RD would be low on the face off circle below the center (depending if he's trying to draw the puck back like usual) so he can decide how to react, not on the half wall, and a wing would be in that spot covering Roslovic. Roslovic cannot score from there, why have Kulikov line up there and they (FLA) have two players in front of Bobrovsky covering one NYR player.
In comment 16525176 ColHowPepper said:...Is it me or does Miller seem less assertive when paired with Trouba? And Schneider less likely to rush the puck with Gus? I think they're both better when they play together.
I don't know how to characterize it, Victor, may be the way you say, but Lavvy splitting up Schneider and KAM to re-join JT with KAM was a head scratcher for sure, esp. when it seemed to me and I think many others that the two young guys really played off each other well. JT has had a rough 2nd half of season/Playoffs. To my eye Gus has been pretty steady, as I said above.
To your point about assertive generally, in going over the game last night trying to fall asleep (was pretty wired after watching my recording cuz like Brett I watched 3rd and OT from a bar), I tried to recall the last time in these Playoffs vs CAR and now FLA that a d-man collected a loose puck in the slot or in the circles and just aggressively skated the puck out of the def zone by himself--a zone exit!!!, Makar or Heiskanen like--and I was hard pressed to come up with any, Schneider might be the closest. His game yesterday was uneven, competed hard, but a lot of mistakes.
RE: RE: Jon in NJ….now there’s a blast from the past
He plays a 200 foot game. Wish Kreider and Panarin would do the same. Not happening!!!
I am impressed with Cyhtil’s performance as he has only played a couple of games since being out since November. You notice him on the ice imv.
I don’t know what to make of the Rangers D corps.
They are losing almost every 50/50 battle for the puck.
They want to chip the puck out instead of carry the puck out on almost every occasion.
Way too many stick checks by D corps also.
Fox is moving at about 50% capacity.
I’m not sure what the hell is going on with Miller.
They need to figure out the PP.
I think Fox’s injury is a big issue on PP
I like moneypuck (who I used in that last post), natural stat trick (he only had the Panthers with 2.67 xGF so he agrees with you on the first goal), and hockey stat miner (who is a NYR fan (maybe posts on here, lol) also posted that stat about the NYR and winning a series 2 to 1).
I love MoneyPuck and HockeyStatMiner. I haven't used Natural Hat Trick much.
I thought MoneyPuck saying the Rangers deserved to win in G1 was interesting. I disagreed lol.
to be clear, Brett, you're saying that, <in addition to> the Forsling goal--and I agree with pj there--you thought he should have had first goal of the game?
I'll go back to a discussion we had (mostly pj) about Varlamov vs the Canes: I commented that late 3rd in an Islander loss, he looked totally exhausted, sruggled to regain his feet after a butterfly, etc., and that the sheer number of shots 'faced' he was physically a shell of himself. pj countered with the stat that SOG was more like the high 30s and not so beyond the pale, and I countered that the keeper has to "play" every shot taken whether it's a SOG or not because it is not foretold that it does not reach the net/deflected/ or high/wide whatever.
I think yesterday was similar: whatever the SOG or xGA, Igor has to play, to react to, each and every one of the 90 some odd shots taken even if it does not become a SOG. If you saw him skate off after the 3rd, he was drenched and wasted. Reducing his effort to excellence or mediocrity via a statistical result tells only part of the story. That said, I didn't think it was his best game either, but as so often the case behind these Rangers d-men, he didn't have enough help.
I thought he should have had the first one. I'm actually more forgiving on the Forsling goal. It was a nice shot.
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Shesterkin was the savior in the third period in a game we didn't deserve to win
definitely, it's one of the keys to winning a cup. you need a goalie who can steal a game. Both teams have one this series which makes it so fun.
NYR need to figure out the PP. If Fox has no agility I'd swap out Gus or Miller as PP QB.
The shot attempts were 44-10 in the third.
The second best PP QB has been scratched.
I agree with the coaches. He would not hold up to this forecheck any better than the current 6, in fact it would probably be much worse.
I deserved this.
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don't deserve this, lol
Well aware. Highway robbery
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don't deserve this, lol
Well aware. Highway robbery
I took ojacs comment as about us fans, not the team. The team deserves it, Igor is part of the team. Us fans? I'm self aware enough to know rangers fans are hardcore fucking doomers
oh, yeah, 100% the fans. and you know I'm just giving you all shit. Fun playoff ride so far. But great call NYR fans are Such doomers, lol. You all live and die with every play and I love it and I hate it. lol. Hopefully you don't mind my commentary. In the past Rangers fans have asked me not to post on their threads. This was about a decade ago though. Some of the thinner skin fans have left the site or mellowed out.
I think after a loss I'd be less present.
Two times in a row now.
Just win, baby.
Whoever mentioned Evan Rodrigues hit the nail on the head - dude was facedown on the ice for five minutes yet showed absolutely no ill effects.
Just win, baby.
Whoever mentioned Evan Rodrigues hit the nail on the head - dude was facedown on the ice for five minutes yet showed absolutely no ill effects.
I was surprised that wasn't a major. NYR lucked out IMO whether or not it was embellished. The broadcast crew wouldn't shut up about it - even the studio crew in between periods. But they never showed a view with the point of contact, so I have to believe it was elbow to shoulder or I have no explanation.
And while we're on the topic. PK Subban is horrendous. He is just downright brutal and so is Messier and Bissonette and the ESPN crew are awful too, all brutal. TNT, ESPN, just shitty studio crews.
they should get the Hockey Night in Canada crew from sportsnet. Kelly Hrudey, Kevin Bieksa, Jennifer Botterill, and hosted by Ron McLean for in between periods or at least watch and learn how it's done.
The best moments were when they have Shaq in studio - he's hilarious. Hank isn't bad, but he sticks out with that crew like a sore thumb (in a good way, but he doesn't fit in).
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don't deserve this, lol
Well aware. Highway robbery
I took ojacs comment as about us fans, not the team. The team deserves it, Igor is part of the team. Us fans? I'm self aware enough to know rangers fans are hardcore fucking doomers
oh, yeah, 100% the fans. and you know I'm just giving you all shit. Fun playoff ride so far. But great call NYR fans are Such doomers, lol. You all live and die with every play and I love it and I hate it. lol. Hopefully you don't mind my commentary. In the past Rangers fans have asked me not to post on their threads. This was about a decade ago though. Some of the thinner skin fans have left the site or mellowed out.
I think after a loss I'd be less present.
Lol, I don't remember that at all.
Game threads are explosive. But I think we have a good group who laughs at themselves after.
Let’s just win the next two and close these kittens out on Thursday so that I can chirp these twats into oblivion for the entirety of the trip
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don't deserve this, lol
Well aware. Highway robbery
I took ojacs comment as about us fans, not the team. The team deserves it, Igor is part of the team. Us fans? I'm self aware enough to know rangers fans are hardcore fucking doomers
oh, yeah, 100% the fans. and you know I'm just giving you all shit. Fun playoff ride so far. But great call NYR fans are Such doomers, lol. You all live and die with every play and I love it and I hate it. lol. Hopefully you don't mind my commentary. In the past Rangers fans have asked me not to post on their threads. This was about a decade ago though. Some of the thinner skin fans have left the site or mellowed out.
I think after a loss I'd be less present.
If you're the reason Arcarsenal is nowhere to be seen, I'll never forgive you.
But if you're the reason why Jon in NJ left...well then, GIDDY UP!
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don't deserve this, lol
Well aware. Highway robbery
I took ojacs comment as about us fans, not the team. The team deserves it, Igor is part of the team. Us fans? I'm self aware enough to know rangers fans are hardcore fucking doomers
oh, yeah, 100% the fans. and you know I'm just giving you all shit. Fun playoff ride so far. But great call NYR fans are Such doomers, lol. You all live and die with every play and I love it and I hate it. lol. Hopefully you don't mind my commentary. In the past Rangers fans have asked me not to post on their threads. This was about a decade ago though. Some of the thinner skin fans have left the site or mellowed out.
I think after a loss I'd be less present.
Lol, I don't remember that at all.
Game threads are explosive. But I think we have a good group who laughs at themselves after.
I once said that Zherdev was as talented as Ovechkin. Good times…I think it was after he scored that incredible goal against the Penguins, I think.
What happened to Wuphat?
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That’s why I mostly avoided this thread.
Just win, baby.
Whoever mentioned Evan Rodrigues hit the nail on the head - dude was facedown on the ice for five minutes yet showed absolutely no ill effects.
I was surprised that wasn't a major. NYR lucked out IMO whether or not it was embellished. The broadcast crew wouldn't shut up about it - even the studio crew in between periods. But they never showed a view with the point of contact, so I have to believe it was elbow to shoulder or I have no explanation.
And while we're on the topic. PK Subban is horrendous. He is just downright brutal and so is Messier and Bissonette and the ESPN crew are awful too, all brutal. TNT, ESPN, just shitty studio crews.
they should get the Hockey Night in Canada crew from sportsnet. Kelly Hrudey, Kevin Bieksa, Jennifer Botterill, and hosted by Ron McLean for in between periods or at least watch and learn how it's done.
The best moments were when they have Shaq in studio - he's hilarious. Hank isn't bad, but he sticks out with that crew like a sore thumb (in a good way, but he doesn't fit in).
Couldn’t agree more.
ESPN’s coverage has been abysmal!
The studio crew sound like a bunch of fanboys sitting in a basement, swilling beer and providing nothing more than stammering banter.
Steve Levy is a net negative and Slewbban is more concerned with what he’s going to wear on set than he is with meaningful analysis. Unless of course you consider his analysis of what the players are wearing as they make their way into the arena before the game.
The in game broadcast is an abomination. The director in the truck inexplicably repeatedly throws camera shots to a close up of a given player skating off on change while the puck is being carried up ice or we see a tight shot of Igor or Bobvrosky after a save while the puck is still live and going the other way. This happens multiple times a game and is inexcusable.
TNT is led by Bozo Bissonette and his unbuttoned shirt, constant screwing with his facial hair and meandering. He’s not awful when he’s focused on the game analysis but his ADHD has him wandering off again.
A week ago or so he called Yandle an asshole on air after Yandle threw a bard at him. While it might not sound like a big deal it speaks to his level of buffoonery brand that he clearly enjoys all too much.
Liam McHugh and his cartoon frog voice is grating and he doesn’t help rein in Biz for fear he won’t come across as one of the boys.
ESPN and TNT can be so much better but I just don’t think they care e out about what a real hockey audience is looking for.
It may come across as biased but I truly believe there aren’t many better than the MSG in studio crew with Gianone, Vali, Hank and/or Boyler.
They provide a terrific player perspective and in-depth analysis.
LGR!
All the Rangers fans on here are great. Passionate.
Not going to name names, most don't post here any more. I wish they did, the threads were fun, but I did cringe more than I do at some of Anakim's posts.
Zherdev could have been an absolute star. Analytics also adored him.
Analytics also loved Nigel Dawes. I think if Dawes was four years younger he carves out a decade long career in the middle six.
He actually just announced his retirement from pro hockey last year.
All the Rangers fans on here are great. Passionate.
Not going to name names, most don't post here any more. I wish they did, the threads were fun, but I did cringe more than I do at some of Anakim's posts.
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and I were always on good terms. I did give him too much shit when he changed from a Mets fan to a Yankees fan but with me it was always in good fun not maliciously like some people. I know he was public on here about experiencing anxiety and having some mental health issues. I hope he's ok.
All the Rangers fans on here are great. Passionate.
Not going to name names, most don't post here any more. I wish they did, the threads were fun, but I did cringe more than I do at some of Anakim's posts.
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most. Some? lol
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game, I would dress only 11 forwards and add Jones as a 7th D
Who would you take out? Rempe? They seem to win with him in the lineup...
lol. Yeah, that's why they won.
who was that in the crease tying up the defenseman and distracting Bobrovsky on the 1st Goodrow goal?
Just win, baby.
Whoever mentioned Evan Rodrigues hit the nail on the head - dude was facedown on the ice for five minutes yet showed absolutely no ill effects.
How about whomever (Bennett?) it was that went down like he was struck by lightning and got the refs to blow a safety whistle during a Rangers odd-man rush? I don't think he even got off the ice for a medical check.
How was that not embellishment? If for no other reason than it made the refs look like morons.
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Amazing how alone #91 is, no Panther w/i 18'. (loved the shot of the FLA fan who looks like he just heard his BFF sleeping with his wife)
The 'first' line wilted as usual, invisible, and Panarin looks shell shocked, he can't even get off a clean pass or shot.
Gus was our best d-man, but man, the Panthers owned the ice behind Igor's net. Downright ugly, humbling. Too often again, KAM's clearing attempts picked off/deflected and he chases toward the wall, abandoning crease area = 2 goals. Where are the backchecking Fs??
that's right he was.
Rempe is filling his role effectively. He's in on the forecheck and in front of the net. He should be playing more. That is a perfect 4th line. The Rangers are getting pounded by the Cats physically and need to dish some back. Other than Trocheck and Lafreniere, who in the top 6 is filling his role effectively? Panarin has been shit, dancing around the perimeter now that the going has gotten rough. Mika and Kreider have disappeared. Chytil has added nothing.
They took 6 minors, most just lazy, yesterday, yet Rempe's is the only one talked about.
Thank God for Igor, he stole that game. And that it was an early game so he can get some extra rest.
You, me, and Greg can throw Kyle into the Hudson next weekend.
Bobrovsky was clearly grasping at straws for a high stick there.
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Amazing how alone #91 is, no Panther w/i 18'. (loved the shot of the FLA fan who looks like he just heard his BFF sleeping with his wife)
The 'first' line wilted as usual, invisible, and Panarin looks shell shocked, he can't even get off a clean pass or shot.
Gus was our best d-man, but man, the Panthers owned the ice behind Igor's net. Downright ugly, humbling. Too often again, KAM's clearing attempts picked off/deflected and he chases toward the wall, abandoning crease area = 2 goals. Where are the backchecking Fs??
Is it me or does Miller seem less assertive when paired with Trouba? And Schneider less likely to rush the puck with Gus? I think they're both better when they play together.
Considering that, and the slow starts for Mika and Kreider, being up 2-1 is phenomenal.
You, me, and Greg can throw Kyle into the Hudson next weekend.
Bobrovsky was clearly grasping at straws for a high stick there.
LOL I like Kakko, I really do!! Just want to see him turn his strong forecheck ability into consistent offense. It's funny, in other Rangers chats I'm in I'm the Kakko defender talking about all the little things he still provides, but here I look like the hater
2022 R1: PIT led 2-1, NY won 4-3
2022 R2: CAR led 2-1, NY won 4-3
2022 R3: NY led 2-1, TB won 4-2
2023 R1: NY led 2-1, NJD won 4-3
The analytics show xGA for Igor of 3.84 and he allowed 4 goals for a net negative in goals saved above expected. In other words he saved most of what he should be expected to but not all, so per the analytics he did not really steal the game. Bobrovsky was brutal. Per the disparity in expected goals, Florida should have won that game and in simulations they win it over 80% of the time. The Rangers did not have a lot of scoring chances that were deemed "expected goals".
Bobrovsky had xGA of 1.691 and allowed 5 goals - which is a playoff worst single game net of a whopping -3.31 goals saved above expected. Bobrovsky has a tendency for clunkers. It had been a while, but for those who remember last year, he was so erratic with FLA began their playoff run, journeyman Alex Lyon was the starter in net.
To fans, who cares, Igor is the best, but underneath the results, he did not play his best game. Not that you should care.
FWIW I thought the Forsling goal off the face off was one Igor should have had. It was a straight shot (a good one to be fair) but from a non-goal scorer. it wasn't like a sniper shooting who beats you plus Igor had a good luck at it without traffic (just shows why I harp on face offs so much).
Anyway, stats aren't everything and xGA is somewhat subjective (like defense stats in baseball) and moneypuck doesn't own a monopoly on determined xGA, so think what you want. Just wanted to provide some context.
yes, if it just ricocheted off his glove and as long as he didn't bat it into the net.
The Rangers won John Tortorella style, lol. Igor played well but the Panthers didn't have a million chances. I also thought Igor should have had the first goal.
I like moneypuck (who I used in that last post), natural stat trick (he only had the Panthers with 2.67 xGF so he agrees with you on the first goal), and hockey stat miner (who is a NYR fan (maybe posts on here, lol) also posted that stat about the NYR and winning a series 2 to 1).
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CHP on team Kakko brings a smile to my face. :)
You, me, and Greg can throw Kyle into the Hudson next weekend.
Bobrovsky was clearly grasping at straws for a high stick there./////
LOL I like Kakko, I really do!! Just want to see him turn his strong forecheck ability into consistent offense. It's funny, in other Rangers chats I'm in I'm the Kakko defender talking about all the little things he still provides, but here I look like the hater
hater.
glad to be on team KK, done deal, Brett, maybe off the GWB?
Yeah, Bob, Maurice and the rest of them. For a team that has a lot of intimidators, they sure do whine and flop a lot. Rodrigues' making-love-to-the-ice act after JT elbow was EPL-worthy ffs. Off to the dressing room was good theater, poor baby.
Kyle, Artemi, dunno. He hung in pretty well vs CAR, maybe the back-to-back with two physical teams? 3rd and OT he dribbled what should have been passes/shots. Saw that same bench shot you did.
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instead of his stick, would the goal still have counted?
yes, if it just ricocheted off his glove and as long as he didn't bat it into the net.
Is this where it gets a little tricky?
He was obviously angling his stick to deflect the puck which is exactly what he did… with the puck hitting the shaft of his stick between his gloves. But if he made the same motion but the puck hit his glove instead… maybe the goal is called off?
Had he just stood there and made no motion whatsoever and the puck smashed off his glove into the goal by accident… that’s gotta be a goal.
But Wennberg made an angling motion with his stick which — while not batting at the ball — may still have been a problematic goal had it gone off his glove. No?
In Bob’s case, while most people are putting the loss on him, the Panthers skaters have much to answer for on the game winner. How on earth was there no one within 30 feet of Wennberg in front of the net?
Miller was horrendous in the opening period and nearly blew the game at the start of OT.
As someone mentioned earlier, I too thought that there had to be something wrong with Bread. He was awful yesterday. Avoiding contact, lethargic, and that whiff off the offensive zone face off win was embarrassing.
In Bob’s case, while most people are putting the loss on him, the Panthers skaters have much to answer for on the game winner. How on earth was there no one within 30 feet of Wennberg in front of the net?
A couple of them were on the boards with Gus and Kakko. Kakko actually helped get that puck up the boards to Lindgren. Also, a scramble off a draw like that and guys are going to be out of position. It was a wise move by Lindgren to shoot that when he did.
I'll go back to a discussion we had (mostly pj) about Varlamov vs the Canes: I commented that late 3rd in an Islander loss, he looked totally exhausted, sruggled to regain his feet after a butterfly, etc., and that the sheer number of shots 'faced' he was physically a shell of himself. pj countered with the stat that SOG was more like the high 30s and not so beyond the pale, and I countered that the keeper has to "play" every shot taken whether it's a SOG or not because it is not foretold that it does not reach the net/deflected/ or high/wide whatever.
I think yesterday was similar: whatever the SOG or xGA, Igor has to play, to react to, each and every one of the 90 some odd shots taken even if it does not become a SOG. If you saw him skate off after the 3rd, he was drenched and wasted. Reducing his effort to excellence or mediocrity via a statistical result tells only part of the story. That said, I didn't think it was his best game either, but as so often the case behind these Rangers d-men, he didn't have enough help.
In Bob’s case, while most people are putting the loss on him, the Panthers skaters have much to answer for on the game winner. How on earth was there no one within 30 feet of Wennberg in front of the net?
I don't blame goalies for tipped shots like that. That was a great play by Wennberg and believe it or not (I don't know if it was the case with Lindgren) players who shoot from the blue line on plays like that aren't necessarily trying to score, they know it's unlikely to beat an NHL goalie clean from a shot from the blue line, they are shooting for sticks because the tipped shot is so hard to save. It's a big part of practice now, at all levels.
That goal was a breakdown off a face-off. Kulikov chased the loose puck, got caught out of position, OEL for some reason provided board support, and Rodrigues left his guy off the face off (Wennberg).
Not to second guess Paul Maurice, but this is why I don't have our players line up this way. our RD would be low on the face off circle below the center (depending if he's trying to draw the puck back like usual) so he can decide how to react, not on the half wall, and a wing would be in that spot covering Roslovic. Roslovic cannot score from there, why have Kulikov line up there and they (FLA) have two players in front of Bobrovsky covering one NYR player.
To your point about assertive generally, in going over the game last night trying to fall asleep (was pretty wired after watching my recording cuz like Brett I watched 3rd and OT from a bar), I tried to recall the last time in these Playoffs vs CAR and now FLA that a d-man collected a loose puck in the slot or in the circles and just aggressively skated the puck out of the def zone by himself--a zone exit!!!, Makar or Heiskanen like--and I was hard pressed to come up with any, Schneider might be the closest. His game yesterday was uneven, competed hard, but a lot of mistakes.
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Still out there somewhere, passionately defending Nikolai Zherdev and putting quotation marks around ‘Torts’.
I once said that Zherdev was as talented as Ovechkin. Good times…I think it was after he scored that incredible goal against the Penguins, I think.
What happened to Wuphat?
I am impressed with Cyhtil’s performance as he has only played a couple of games since being out since November. You notice him on the ice imv.
I don’t know what to make of the Rangers D corps.
They are losing almost every 50/50 battle for the puck.
They want to chip the puck out instead of carry the puck out on almost every occasion.
Way too many stick checks by D corps also.
Fox is moving at about 50% capacity.
I’m not sure what the hell is going on with Miller.
They need to figure out the PP.
I think Fox’s injury is a big issue on PP
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I like moneypuck (who I used in that last post), natural stat trick (he only had the Panthers with 2.67 xGF so he agrees with you on the first goal), and hockey stat miner (who is a NYR fan (maybe posts on here, lol) also posted that stat about the NYR and winning a series 2 to 1).
I love MoneyPuck and HockeyStatMiner. I haven't used Natural Hat Trick much.
I thought MoneyPuck saying the Rangers deserved to win in G1 was interesting. I disagreed lol.
I'll go back to a discussion we had (mostly pj) about Varlamov vs the Canes: I commented that late 3rd in an Islander loss, he looked totally exhausted, sruggled to regain his feet after a butterfly, etc., and that the sheer number of shots 'faced' he was physically a shell of himself. pj countered with the stat that SOG was more like the high 30s and not so beyond the pale, and I countered that the keeper has to "play" every shot taken whether it's a SOG or not because it is not foretold that it does not reach the net/deflected/ or high/wide whatever.
I think yesterday was similar: whatever the SOG or xGA, Igor has to play, to react to, each and every one of the 90 some odd shots taken even if it does not become a SOG. If you saw him skate off after the 3rd, he was drenched and wasted. Reducing his effort to excellence or mediocrity via a statistical result tells only part of the story. That said, I didn't think it was his best game either, but as so often the case behind these Rangers d-men, he didn't have enough help.
I thought he should have had the first one. I'm actually more forgiving on the Forsling goal. It was a nice shot.