Justin Tuck and Osi

they don't have enough honors....

Tuck:
First-team All-Pro (2008)
Second-team All-Pro (2010)
2× Pro Bowl (2008, 2010)

Umenyiora:
First-team All-Pro (2005)
Second-team All-Pro (2010)
2× Pro Bowl (2005, 2007)

No on both, though Tuck is my second favorite Giant of all time. I love that man. He was an absolute beast in both Super Bowls. Throw in him being the ND component...

But I don’t think he was ever thought of as the Giant you had to stop if you wanted to win.

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Doug Atkins (DE) 1953-1969
Elvin Bethea (DE) 1968-1983
Junious Buchanan (DT) 1963-1975
Curley Culp 1968-1981
Willie Davis (DE) 1958-1969
Fred Dean (DE) 1975-1985
Richard Dent 1983-1997
Chris Doleman (DE, LB) 1985-1999
Art Donovan (DT) 1950-1961
Carl Eller (DE) 1964-1979
Len Ford (DE) 1948-1958
Joe Greene (DT) 1969-1981
Kevin Greene (LB/DE) 1985-1999
Charles Haley 1986-1996; 1999
Dan Hampton (DT-DE) 1979-1990
Claude Humphrey 1968-1981
David (Deacon) Jones (DE) 1961-1974
Henry Jordan (DT) 1957-1969
Cortez Kennedy (DT) 1990-2000
Bob Lilly (DT) 1961-1974
Howie Long (DE) 1981-1993
Gino Marchetti (DE) 1952-1964, 1966
Leo Nomellini (DT) 1950-1963
Merlin Olsen (DT) 1962-1976
Alan Page (DT) 1967-1981
John Randle 1990-2003
Andy Robustelli (DE) 1951-1964
Warren Sapp 1995-2007
Lee Roy Selmon (DE) 1976-1984
Bruce Smith 1985-2003
Ernie Stautner (DT) 1950-1963
Michael Strahan 1993-2007
Jason Taylor 1997-2011
Arnie Weinmeister (DT) 1948-1953
Randy White (DT) 1975-1988
Reggie White (DT-DE) 1985-1998, 2000
Bill Willis (MG) 1946-1953
Jack Youngblood (DE) 1971-1984

Just didn't do it for long enough. Both had a couple great years and then a lot of mediocre ones. Tucks body also broke down pretty fast.

Hall of Very Good.

if so, sure.

I could support Tuck, he was a very good two-way player who often don't get proper recognition.

Plus, two rings outweigh the lack of other accolades.

Tuck could have been a SB MVP and no one would have argued IMO.

what about JPP?

He's got 2 championships with 2 teams & arguably better numbers.

But they were great Giants and terrific football players. Will always live in Giants lore.

In comment 16525248 pjcas18 said:

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Tuck could have been a SB MVP and no one would have argued IMO.

I've always thought he should've been.

but very good careers.

To both but both were great NY Giants.

In comment 16525302 Mad Mike said:

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In comment 16525248 pjcas18 said: Quote: Tuck could have been a SB MVP and no one would have argued IMO. I've always thought he should've been.

You could argue in both XLII & XLVI.

The pass rusher from that era with the best chance at the HOF is JPP.

are Hall of Famers at their positions.

The convo starts and ends w Leonard Marshall and Bavaro. Marshall as a 3/4 DE #s hold up even now. I don't care how short Bavaro's career was. He's one best two way TEs ever. Ditka then? I'd say Bavaro. blocking was OL level and he was a very good receiver who destroyed guys after the catch.

players and all-time Giants but I don't see either as having had HoF careers. And I thought JPP was a sure-fire HoFer after 2011 but don't think he should be in either.

In comment 16525257 Old Dirty said:

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what about JPP? He's got 2 championships with 2 teams & arguably better numbers.

JPP is a better candidate than tuck or Osi, but the answer for all is no.

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In comment 16525360 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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In comment 16525302 Mad Mike said: Quote: In comment 16525248 pjcas18 said: Quote: Tuck could have been a SB MVP and no one would have argued IMO. I've always thought he should've been. You could argue in both XLII & XLVI.

His hit on Tom Brady in the 3rd quarter of SB 46 changed the entire game.. Prior to that brady had completed 16 consective passes and pretty much taken control of the game when our offense had stalled.

but he's not a HOFer. He was a great speed pass rusher that also made a lot of impact strip sacks. His 2-sack performance against Peak Walter Jones is all you need to know about how hard he could be to block at his best. But he wasn't the most complete player especially vs. the run.

Tuck at his best was clearly a HOF caliber talent imo. He just suffered from too many injuries and couldn't rack up the necessary resume.

Tuck, I still recall the season where he was taking many plays off on the field. It wasn't until TC got in his face and read him the riot act that he woke up during their last playoff run together. So no for him either

Both were great Giants and had great moments, but in the context of all time status in the league, neither did enough.

and that's all that matters. I really want to love some current defensive players as much as I did with these guys.