it might all be true or it might be a money grab. I'm always suspicious of million dollar lawsuits for mental anguish months after the alleged incident happened.
it might all be true or it might be a money grab. I'm always suspicious of million dollar lawsuits for mental anguish months after the alleged incident happened.
Don't forget that this isn't a criminal situation. It is straight civil. To me, if you're going for money without pressing charges then that is always a red flag to me.
I mean you can get paranoid about a 'money grab' but
both occam's razor and the Manning theory of idiot kickers both tell me the most likely explanation is that McManus got drunk and acted like a douchebag.
it might all be true or it might be a money grab. I'm always suspicious of million dollar lawsuits for mental anguish months after the alleged incident happened.
Don't forget that this isn't a criminal situation. It is straight civil. To me, if you're going for money without pressing charges then that is always a red flag to me.
How would criminal work on a flight? Especially an international, trans-Atlantic flight? Where can they press charges?
They may or may not be telling the truth, but this does sound, at least, very plausible. Plus, if it was a straight money grab, why go after McManus instead of a bigger money player?
Apparently there was no air marshal on this flight
otherwise he may have intervened. Anyway, one million seems a lot to ask for the assault of being grinded against. Of course this has to be split two ways and the lawyers will get their piece, typically 30 to 40%.
it might all be true or it might be a money grab. I'm always suspicious of million dollar lawsuits for mental anguish months after the alleged incident happened.
Don't forget that this isn't a criminal situation. It is straight civil. To me, if you're going for money without pressing charges then that is always a red flag to me.
How would criminal work on a flight? Especially an international, trans-Atlantic flight? Where can they press charges?
They may or may not be telling the truth, but this does sound, at least, very plausible. Plus, if it was a straight money grab, why go after McManus instead of a bigger money player?
I am sure there was some shady shit that happened. My point is if you are so scarred from it, then why not prosecute him and make sure it doesn't happen again. Waiting this long and going right to a civil case tells me she is looking to get paid. The bar on civil cases is much lower and most likely ends in a settlement. Like I said, I am sure McManus was drunk and being stupid but that's probably what it was. I'm sure they felt unsafe but it wasn't bad enough to prosecute over.
PLEASE understand that while this is likely extortion masquerading as
However, for informational purposes only -
In most jurisdictions, when lawyers file a lawsuit, they are required to put a monetary value in the document. They cannot get more than that number at trial. In most firms, it's a cut a paste thing and often much more than one million.
That number rarely has anything to do with the actual value or negotiation of the case
Well reading the article I think this is the key point:
"The lawsuit says the September flight was the first Jaguars charter flight the two women worked, and they have experienced severe mental anguish, anxiety, psychological and emotional distress, embarrassment and humiliation. They have been removed from the core crew that staffs Jaguars charter flights, which is something they worked hard to achieve, the lawsuit says."
I know being a flight attendent is a lousy paying gig and maybe getting on the core crew for an NFL team's charter may pay better? Also the allegations seem pretty specific. Not saying there isn't a little money grab attempt here. However if you're putting up with sloshed out of control kicker groping you on and off throughout a flight and then lose your spot on the crew as a result, somebody is gonna pay.
In the league and the Jags let him walk. That to me says something. Everyone accusing these women of extortion have to realize that before this is even made public there is a sizable amount of investigation that takes place. Extortion cases are a dime a dozen; the ones that actually reach the public’s ear are very rare.
it might all be true or it might be a money grab. I'm always suspicious of million dollar lawsuits for mental anguish months after the alleged incident happened.
Don't forget that this isn't a criminal situation. It is straight civil. To me, if you're going for money without pressing charges then that is always a red flag to me.
How would criminal work on a flight? Especially an international, trans-Atlantic flight? Where can they press charges?
They may or may not be telling the truth, but this does sound, at least, very plausible. Plus, if it was a straight money grab, why go after McManus instead of a bigger money player?
I am sure there was some shady shit that happened. My point is if you are so scarred from it, then why not prosecute him and make sure it doesn't happen again. Waiting this long and going right to a civil case tells me she is looking to get paid. The bar on civil cases is much lower and most likely ends in a settlement. Like I said, I am sure McManus was drunk and being stupid but that's probably what it was. I'm sure they felt unsafe but it wasn't bad enough to prosecute over.
Your last couple of comments are a big part of what is wrong and why a lot of women don't immediately come forward. Being "drunk and stupid" doesn't excuse any of the alleged behavior. Unwanted groping, grinding, etc. may not register with a bunch of people because it doesn't fit their mental image of rape, but they can have devastating effects on the victim.
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Brandon McManus’ attorney, Brett R. Gallaway: “These are absolutely fictitious and demonstrably false allegations made as part of a campaign to defame and disparage a talented and well-respected NFL player. We intend to aggressively defend Brandon's rights and integrity and clear his name by showing what these claims truly are -- an extortion attempt.”
I'd wager that McManus' integrity is not something worth protecting
And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
Roll model for McManus, Urban Meyer and the Jag offs
And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
If you're so interested in impartiality, you should also be tsk-tsking those saying the accusations are made up or it comes off as hypocritical.
RE: RE: RE: I'd wager that McManus' integrity is not something worth protecting
And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
If you're so interested in impartiality, you should also be tsk-tsking those saying the accusations are made up or it comes off as hypocritical.
Fair. I guess people always have opinions though without knowing the truth and aren't shy to share them.
RE: RE: RE: I'd wager that McManus' integrity is not something worth protecting
And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
If you're so interested in impartiality, you should also be tsk-tsking those saying the accusations are made up or it comes off as hypocritical.
Exactly which post or poster on this thread are you referring to? Who exactly should pjcas reply to in your mind? Because scrolling though this thread, it seems or just making shit up and nobody has said the accusations are made up. So….who the hell is he supposed to “tsk-tsking” that would make you feel better?
RE: RE: I'd wager that McManus' integrity is not something worth protecting
And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
Please. Who needs proof. Sad. making pejorative comments about any group is shitty
And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
Please. Who needs proof. Sad. making pejorative comments about any group is shitty
I guess that’s fair
Young guys with a lot of money can often behave badly
And any comments should only be directed against McManus
I know nothing about the guy but I’ll stand by what is said
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'd wager that McManus' integrity is not something worth protecting
And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
Please. Who needs proof. Sad. making pejorative comments about any group is shitty
I guess that’s fair
Young guys with a lot of money can often behave badly
And any comments should only be directed against McManus
I know nothing about the guy but I’ll stand by what is said
You certainly have a different view of the “real world” than I do. I’m not sure what rock you live under but poor judgement and behavior certainly isn’t exclusive to the young or the rich. And I’m absolutely certain you’ve made some piss poor decisions in your life too. And this isn’t dismissing what the accusations in this case are. It’s 100% about you somehow thinking rich, young athletes behave any worse than people in the “real world”. Laughable
And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
Please. Who needs proof. Sad. making pejorative comments about any group is shitty
I guess that’s fair
Young guys with a lot of money can often behave badly
And any comments should only be directed against McManus
I know nothing about the guy but I’ll stand by what is said
You certainly have a different view of the “real world” than I do. I’m not sure what rock you live under but poor judgement and behavior certainly isn’t exclusive to the young or the rich. And I’m absolutely certain you’ve made some piss poor decisions in your life too. And this isn’t dismissing what the accusations in this case are. It’s 100% about you somehow thinking rich, young athletes behave any worse than people in the “real world”. Laughable
First of all, fuck you.
Secondly, it’s a fair point, But athletes are in an unusual situation of being notably, young and notably rich as a group.
Finally, fuck you again, and I did later restrict my comments to Mr. McManus himself.
In addition, as a former prosecutor in the Bronx for five years and trial attorney who has dealt with this from both sides, I have lot of experience with these types of situations, professionally, though not personally. Apparently transference and ignorance are two afflictions that you suffer from.
Actually, I was taken aback by your harsh post I responded quickly without reading it very carefully
I do think young people generally have worse judgment
I do think rich people often have entitled attitudes that cause them to behave badly
I do not think all young rich people have bad judgement, but as a group, more than most others. Throw in “athlete” and “celebrity” the opportunities to behave badly increase more.
Oh, and fuck you again. Seriously, why speak to someone like that? Are you a rich young person?
There were 2 recent cases that makes me think twice about accusations
1 involved a pitcher for the Angels(?) - complete money grab by 2 women - 1 has had criminal charges being brought against her. Meanwhile he was suspended(?) from the team and is pitching in the minors now after being out of baseball for I think 18 months?
The other is the punter who was drafted by Buffalo and then cut after accusations that turned out to be false. I think he is suing the Bills now.
Not saying women are not being assaulted but, when it comes to high profile individuals I always tread lightly when I hear about these type of cases.
On the flipside - the days of these high profile (athletes, musicians, actors) seem to be over and they all should be very wary of women who want to get to close to them to soon.
Ps and Qs might save a lot of money and stress.
RE: There were 2 recent cases that makes me think twice about accusations
1 involved a pitcher for the Angels(?) - complete money grab by 2 women - 1 has had criminal charges being brought against her. Meanwhile he was suspended(?) from the team and is pitching in the minors now after being out of baseball for I think 18 months?
The other is the punter who was drafted by Buffalo and then cut after accusations that turned out to be false. I think he is suing the Bills now.
Not saying women are not being assaulted but, when it comes to high profile individuals I always tread lightly when I hear about these type of cases.
On the flipside - the days of these high profile (athletes, musicians, actors) seem to be over and they all should be very wary of women who want to get to close to them to soon.
Ps and Qs might save a lot of money and stress.
The best example I know of people wrongfully assuming that "rich young entitled athletes" were guilty was the Duke Lacrosse team.
Clearly, false allegations happen and are incredibly unfair and damaging. IMO, non-reported sexual abuse FAR outweighs its false reporting. That said, and not minimizing these allegations, they are not as severe as the rape charges against the Duke guys.
RE: RE: There were 2 recent cases that makes me think twice about accusations
1 involved a pitcher for the Angels(?) - complete money grab by 2 women - 1 has had criminal charges being brought against her. Meanwhile he was suspended(?) from the team and is pitching in the minors now after being out of baseball for I think 18 months?
The other is the punter who was drafted by Buffalo and then cut after accusations that turned out to be false. I think he is suing the Bills now.
Not saying women are not being assaulted but, when it comes to high profile individuals I always tread lightly when I hear about these type of cases.
On the flipside - the days of these high profile (athletes, musicians, actors) seem to be over and they all should be very wary of women who want to get to close to them to soon.
Ps and Qs might save a lot of money and stress.
The best example I know of people wrongfully assuming that "rich young entitled athletes" were guilty was the Duke Lacrosse team.
Clearly, false allegations happen and are incredibly unfair and damaging. IMO, non-reported sexual abuse FAR outweighs its false reporting. That said, and not minimizing these allegations, they are not as severe as the rape charges against the Duke guys.
Don't forget that this isn't a criminal situation. It is straight civil. To me, if you're going for money without pressing charges then that is always a red flag to me.
he signed with the Chiefs.
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it might all be true or it might be a money grab. I'm always suspicious of million dollar lawsuits for mental anguish months after the alleged incident happened.
Don't forget that this isn't a criminal situation. It is straight civil. To me, if you're going for money without pressing charges then that is always a red flag to me.
They may or may not be telling the truth, but this does sound, at least, very plausible. Plus, if it was a straight money grab, why go after McManus instead of a bigger money player?
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it might all be true or it might be a money grab. I'm always suspicious of million dollar lawsuits for mental anguish months after the alleged incident happened.
Don't forget that this isn't a criminal situation. It is straight civil. To me, if you're going for money without pressing charges then that is always a red flag to me.
How would criminal work on a flight? Especially an international, trans-Atlantic flight? Where can they press charges?
They may or may not be telling the truth, but this does sound, at least, very plausible. Plus, if it was a straight money grab, why go after McManus instead of a bigger money player?
I am sure there was some shady shit that happened. My point is if you are so scarred from it, then why not prosecute him and make sure it doesn't happen again. Waiting this long and going right to a civil case tells me she is looking to get paid. The bar on civil cases is much lower and most likely ends in a settlement. Like I said, I am sure McManus was drunk and being stupid but that's probably what it was. I'm sure they felt unsafe but it wasn't bad enough to prosecute over.
However, for informational purposes only -
In most jurisdictions, when lawyers file a lawsuit, they are required to put a monetary value in the document. They cannot get more than that number at trial. In most firms, it's a cut a paste thing and often much more than one million.
That number rarely has anything to do with the actual value or negotiation of the case
I know being a flight attendent is a lousy paying gig and maybe getting on the core crew for an NFL team's charter may pay better? Also the allegations seem pretty specific. Not saying there isn't a little money grab attempt here. However if you're putting up with sloshed out of control kicker groping you on and off throughout a flight and then lose your spot on the crew as a result, somebody is gonna pay.
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it might all be true or it might be a money grab. I'm always suspicious of million dollar lawsuits for mental anguish months after the alleged incident happened.
Don't forget that this isn't a criminal situation. It is straight civil. To me, if you're going for money without pressing charges then that is always a red flag to me.
How would criminal work on a flight? Especially an international, trans-Atlantic flight? Where can they press charges?
They may or may not be telling the truth, but this does sound, at least, very plausible. Plus, if it was a straight money grab, why go after McManus instead of a bigger money player?
I am sure there was some shady shit that happened. My point is if you are so scarred from it, then why not prosecute him and make sure it doesn't happen again. Waiting this long and going right to a civil case tells me she is looking to get paid. The bar on civil cases is much lower and most likely ends in a settlement. Like I said, I am sure McManus was drunk and being stupid but that's probably what it was. I'm sure they felt unsafe but it wasn't bad enough to prosecute over.
So did they ? Was there an expectation on the Jags flights that flight attendants were supposed to act like strippers ?
Where were the coaches when this was going on ? Maybe they were getting lap dances like the previous coach.
@AdamSchefter
Brandon McManus’ attorney, Brett R. Gallaway: “These are absolutely fictitious and demonstrably false allegations made as part of a campaign to defame and disparage a talented and well-respected NFL player. We intend to aggressively defend Brandon's rights and integrity and clear his name by showing what these claims truly are -- an extortion attempt.”
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
So did they ? Was there an expectation on the Jags flights that flight attendants were supposed to act like strippers ?
Where were the coaches when this was going on ? Maybe they were getting lap dances like the previous coach.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
Tony Stark's flight attendants - ( New Window )
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And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
If you're so interested in impartiality, you should also be tsk-tsking those saying the accusations are made up or it comes off as hypocritical.
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And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
If you're so interested in impartiality, you should also be tsk-tsking those saying the accusations are made up or it comes off as hypocritical.
Fair. I guess people always have opinions though without knowing the truth and aren't shy to share them.
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And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
If you're so interested in impartiality, you should also be tsk-tsking those saying the accusations are made up or it comes off as hypocritical.
Exactly which post or poster on this thread are you referring to? Who exactly should pjcas reply to in your mind? Because scrolling though this thread, it seems or just making shit up and nobody has said the accusations are made up. So….who the hell is he supposed to “tsk-tsking” that would make you feel better?
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And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
Please. Who needs proof. Sad. making pejorative comments about any group is shitty
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And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
Please. Who needs proof. Sad. making pejorative comments about any group is shitty
I guess that’s fair
Young guys with a lot of money can often behave badly
And any comments should only be directed against McManus
I know nothing about the guy but I’ll stand by what is said
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In comment 16525839 gersh said:
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And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
Please. Who needs proof. Sad. making pejorative comments about any group is shitty
I guess that’s fair
Young guys with a lot of money can often behave badly
And any comments should only be directed against McManus
I know nothing about the guy but I’ll stand by what is said
You certainly have a different view of the “real world” than I do. I’m not sure what rock you live under but poor judgement and behavior certainly isn’t exclusive to the young or the rich. And I’m absolutely certain you’ve made some piss poor decisions in your life too. And this isn’t dismissing what the accusations in this case are. It’s 100% about you somehow thinking rich, young athletes behave any worse than people in the “real world”. Laughable
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In comment 16525839 gersh said:
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And they likely did very inappropriate stuff on that plane.
When this stuff sees the light of day, it's always interesting.
Professional athletes live in a different world
Even middling kickers.
Judged by real world standards, they rarely look good.
Glad you know the whole story, society would be fortunate to have someone as impartial on a jury.
Please. Who needs proof. Sad. making pejorative comments about any group is shitty
I guess that’s fair
Young guys with a lot of money can often behave badly
And any comments should only be directed against McManus
I know nothing about the guy but I’ll stand by what is said
You certainly have a different view of the “real world” than I do. I’m not sure what rock you live under but poor judgement and behavior certainly isn’t exclusive to the young or the rich. And I’m absolutely certain you’ve made some piss poor decisions in your life too. And this isn’t dismissing what the accusations in this case are. It’s 100% about you somehow thinking rich, young athletes behave any worse than people in the “real world”. Laughable
First of all, fuck you.
Secondly, it’s a fair point, But athletes are in an unusual situation of being notably, young and notably rich as a group.
Finally, fuck you again, and I did later restrict my comments to Mr. McManus himself.
In addition, as a former prosecutor in the Bronx for five years and trial attorney who has dealt with this from both sides, I have lot of experience with these types of situations, professionally, though not personally. Apparently transference and ignorance are two afflictions that you suffer from.
I do think young people generally have worse judgment
I do think rich people often have entitled attitudes that cause them to behave badly
I do not think all young rich people have bad judgement, but as a group, more than most others. Throw in “athlete” and “celebrity” the opportunities to behave badly increase more.
Oh, and fuck you again. Seriously, why speak to someone like that? Are you a rich young person?
1 involved a pitcher for the Angels(?) - complete money grab by 2 women - 1 has had criminal charges being brought against her. Meanwhile he was suspended(?) from the team and is pitching in the minors now after being out of baseball for I think 18 months?
The other is the punter who was drafted by Buffalo and then cut after accusations that turned out to be false. I think he is suing the Bills now.
Not saying women are not being assaulted but, when it comes to high profile individuals I always tread lightly when I hear about these type of cases.
On the flipside - the days of these high profile (athletes, musicians, actors) seem to be over and they all should be very wary of women who want to get to close to them to soon.
Ps and Qs might save a lot of money and stress.
1 involved a pitcher for the Angels(?) - complete money grab by 2 women - 1 has had criminal charges being brought against her. Meanwhile he was suspended(?) from the team and is pitching in the minors now after being out of baseball for I think 18 months?
The other is the punter who was drafted by Buffalo and then cut after accusations that turned out to be false. I think he is suing the Bills now.
Not saying women are not being assaulted but, when it comes to high profile individuals I always tread lightly when I hear about these type of cases.
On the flipside - the days of these high profile (athletes, musicians, actors) seem to be over and they all should be very wary of women who want to get to close to them to soon.
Ps and Qs might save a lot of money and stress.
The best example I know of people wrongfully assuming that "rich young entitled athletes" were guilty was the Duke Lacrosse team.
Clearly, false allegations happen and are incredibly unfair and damaging. IMO, non-reported sexual abuse FAR outweighs its false reporting. That said, and not minimizing these allegations, they are not as severe as the rape charges against the Duke guys.
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now.
1 involved a pitcher for the Angels(?) - complete money grab by 2 women - 1 has had criminal charges being brought against her. Meanwhile he was suspended(?) from the team and is pitching in the minors now after being out of baseball for I think 18 months?
The other is the punter who was drafted by Buffalo and then cut after accusations that turned out to be false. I think he is suing the Bills now.
Not saying women are not being assaulted but, when it comes to high profile individuals I always tread lightly when I hear about these type of cases.
On the flipside - the days of these high profile (athletes, musicians, actors) seem to be over and they all should be very wary of women who want to get to close to them to soon.
Ps and Qs might save a lot of money and stress.
The best example I know of people wrongfully assuming that "rich young entitled athletes" were guilty was the Duke Lacrosse team.
Clearly, false allegations happen and are incredibly unfair and damaging. IMO, non-reported sexual abuse FAR outweighs its false reporting. That said, and not minimizing these allegations, they are not as severe as the rape charges against the Duke guys.
+1