The '94 Rangers caught a big break when the Caps upset the Penguins, the Rangers' nemesis. They played the Lemieux Penguins three times in the playoffs (1989, '92, '96) and lost all three times. The Rangers were 5-1 against the Caps and 6-0 against the Devils in the regular season, but only 2-2 against the Penguins
Same with those 93 Canadians avoiding Pitt. And the caps for that matter. The Dale Hunter memorial.
The puck isn't even in the picture when Vesey gets hit.
I felt it was late/dirty and though I don’t have then benefit of a recording, I believe the dwarf headed beaver toothed creature accentuated the hit by jumping into Vesey as well.
RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even
putting himself in he conversation but he's too slow.
And what exactly has Chytil done after a similar layoff to make anyone think Wheeler would be any better. He's older, slower.
Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Question - does anyone watch the playoffs with the sound off?
The issue is the Panthers do them too. They just don’t get called. Is BS. Along w their making the best use of their SAG cards acting and laying paying on the ice then not missing a single shift
But that is the beauty of this team, that they can win ugly, and win games they play nowhere near their best. That said, this series is far from over and if the Rangers play game 4 the way they played game 3, they're most likely going back to the Garden tied up on Thursday night. Through 3 games the Rangers do not have a goal out of Mika, Kreider, or Panarin and the PP is 0-8. If they're going to close out this series, those things need to change, and the defensemen need to be more careful with the puck in their own end. The turnovers are happening at an alarming rate, mostly due to Florida's relentless forecheck, but some are unforced as well. I'm loving the unsung heroes that are being born in these playoffs, and ultimately don't care who scores the big goals, but it would be nice to see one or more of the big guns fire it up for the next 3-4 weeks.
I don't watch hockey at all so I have no idea if it's true with the entire sport. I say it about football & soccer all the time. The teams that can play a bad/ugly game and still pull out wins is typically the team that goes on to win the title.
I get what you're saying, but NYR was blown off the fucking ice last game.
RE: RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even
Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.
not trying to change anyone's mind, fans always think it's worse for their team, it's human nature, but not having a dog in the fight, I don't think the refs have been bad at all.
Pointing out the role of luck isn't some insult. I can't think of a championship team who didn't have some luck. We also had some bad luck with the Fox injury, so take what we can get.
Thanks for sharing that, djm, I didn't realize that about the '93 Habs.
RE: RE: RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even
Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.
Thank you. And Messier LOVES him. Good enough for me.
The Panthers need to start getting called for diving
Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.
The '94 Rangers caught a big break when the Caps upset the Penguins, the Rangers' nemesis. They played the Lemieux Penguins three times in the playoffs (1989, '92, '96) and lost all three times. The Rangers were 5-1 against the Caps and 6-0 against the Devils in the regular season, but only 2-2 against the Penguins
Same with those 93 Canadians avoiding Pitt. And the caps for that matter. The Dale Hunter memorial.
That was the year Lemieux was sick with cancer if I recall.
The puck isn't even in the picture when Vesey gets hit.
I felt it was late/dirty and though I don’t have then benefit of a recording, I believe the dwarf headed beaver toothed creature accentuated the hit by jumping into Vesey as well.
putting himself in he conversation but he's too slow.
And what exactly has Chytil done after a similar layoff to make anyone think Wheeler would be any better. He's older, slower.
Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Rempe has some negatives for sure, but speed isn't one of them. Kid is FAST.
Rangers will see the full force of Panthers physical play tonight
Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.
I dislike that team.
Yup. I discussed this a bit before the series. They are a sneaky dirty team. I say sneaky because we know they are physical, but they are not overtly dirty. They do a lot at/after the whistle quickly to try to elicit a response, which is more likely to get the attention of the refs. Diving is another tactic along those lines. They love to goad opponents, hoping to get a PP or two.
They have missed a few but that goes both ways. Florida just plays a much heavier game.
I will say that the Romberg video shown above looks more egregious than any of the other angles i saw on TV.
As to Rempe, I love the kids enthusiasm but playing him in away games does not work. And if he is only playing 4 minutes, it definitely does not work. Play him at home when you control the matchups.
RE: The Panthers need to start getting called for diving
Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.
I dislike that team.
Was it the 3 on 2 in the first period?
RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even
...Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.
He's definitely not slow, but it does take him a few strides to get those long legs going. When they do, he covers a lot of ice...fast. It's unmistakeable. True he's not reading opponents' transitions well at this point, but he more than most on team can recover ground.
Wheeler? Wheeler? Buehler? Why are we talking about him. He was quite cooked before the injury. As said last week, I think he played RW1 for ~ 20 games before notching a goal, and it was an empty net, keeper drawn out wide near post.
called series.
not trying to change anyone's mind, fans always think it's worse for their team, it's human nature, but not having a dog in the fight, I don't think the refs have been bad at all.
Well, you do have a dog, a +1500 dog (:
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Vesey because to me the video is pretty clear.
Called fairly? "Fair" has broad parameters, maybe refs have not been egregious. But even rules expert Jackson fumfered on the whistle that stopped a Rangers 3 on 2 in its tracks because Bennett (?) fell to the ice after a check holding his hand? wtf and upper body injury not even in question. Best he could do is say refs sometimes get it wrong.
How, pj, in what world is there officiating risk in letting the rush play out where it was clear beyond doubt that Bennett was not going to impact play one way or the other? He was by that point 40' behind. He wasn't gushing blood. He wasn't prone and comatose.
Pointing out the role of luck isn't some insult. I can't think of a championship team who didn't have some luck. We also had some bad luck with the Fox injury, so take what we can get.
Thanks for sharing that, djm, I didn't realize that about the '93 Habs.
Yep I hear you. Patrick Roy was ridiculous for the habs in that run. Beyond ridiculous. For a legendary career this was Roy’s signature moment, in my view.
THIS is the really dirty hit, not so much the earlier one. This is the one that took Vesey out of the series and yet didn't even get a minor. Link - ( New Window )
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and thought the Panthers player was in distress. It is unusual for hockey, you usually need to be leaking or not moving for the refs to blow the whistle if your team doesn't have the puck and even then if you're leaking needs to be severe not just your average lost a bunch of chiclets scenario.
it was a mistake, but (from memory so I could be wrong) the puck was still on the Panthers side of the red line, so it was a potential odd-man rush, but not quite as egregious as some fans make it.
RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg
THIS is the really dirty hit, not so much the earlier one. This is the one that took Vesey out of the series and yet didn't even get a minor. Link - ( New Window )
Right. I posted that too, hadn't seen it before today.
Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
I've just never seen a whistle that quick in such a scenario
Because it gives every incentive possible for players to dive when the puck goes the other way. If there's a potential odd man rush, they always let that play out and then, if the player remains on the ice, blow the whistle afterwards.
RE: RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg
THIS is the really dirty hit, not so much the earlier one. This is the one that took Vesey out of the series and yet didn't even get a minor. Link - ( New Window )
Right. I posted that too, hadn't seen it before today.
Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
Is the word on Vesey a head (or rather "upper body") injury?
the official word is week to week with an upper body injury
Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.
I dislike that team.
Yup. I discussed this a bit before the series. They are a sneaky dirty team. I say sneaky because we know they are physical, but they are not overtly dirty. They do a lot at/after the whistle quickly to try to elicit a response, which is more likely to get the attention of the refs. Diving is another tactic along those lines. They love to goad opponents, hoping to get a PP or two.
Have you noticed how they've gone after the Rangers in goal celebrations? Tkahcuk tried to bait Rempe after Wennberg's OT winner on Sunday. I think Rempe might have chirped at him, but still. The refs had to get in front of Tkachuk.
RE: RE: RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg
Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
There's also a video of Rodrigues attempting, and missing, a flying elbow on Wennberg.
This is a supremely dirty team. Link - ( New Window )
Are these videos being submitted to the league formally by the Rangers? Any chance they start calling the Panthers for some of this shit? Or is it more likely they just call the whole game tighter and the Rangers get screwed some more?
Are these videos being submitted to the league formally by the Rangers? Any chance they start calling the Panthers for some of this shit? Or is it more likely they just call the whole game tighter and the Rangers get screwed some more?
I don't know. I suspect they are, and I also suspect it won't make any difference.
But with the Rangers a couple calls/nons in the red. The blown whistle play acting job that's been all over the web shows the refs up; maybe it bears fruit for the Rangers with a dive call before the series is over.
OEL followed Laf after his spectacular goal and gave him a shove into the boards.
Yeah, I saw that and it looked like it got the attention of some Rangers, which got the attention of the officials. This is what I mean. The Panthers do shit like this all the time and hope for retaliation to get a PP.
Anyway, back to Costy's point, I forgot about this one - Verhaeghe punching Laf in the face after Trocheck's game 2 goal because he was mad that Laf leveled him a few seconds before the goal. Link - ( New Window )
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Same with those 93 Canadians avoiding Pitt. And the caps for that matter. The Dale Hunter memorial.
I felt it was late/dirty and though I don’t have then benefit of a recording, I believe the dwarf headed beaver toothed creature accentuated the hit by jumping into Vesey as well.
And what exactly has Chytil done after a similar layoff to make anyone think Wheeler would be any better. He's older, slower.
Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Also, anyone heard how Sam Rosen is doing?
Thanks
The issue is the Panthers do them too. They just don’t get called. Is BS. Along w their making the best use of their SAG cards acting and laying paying on the ice then not missing a single shift
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But that is the beauty of this team, that they can win ugly, and win games they play nowhere near their best. That said, this series is far from over and if the Rangers play game 4 the way they played game 3, they're most likely going back to the Garden tied up on Thursday night. Through 3 games the Rangers do not have a goal out of Mika, Kreider, or Panarin and the PP is 0-8. If they're going to close out this series, those things need to change, and the defensemen need to be more careful with the puck in their own end. The turnovers are happening at an alarming rate, mostly due to Florida's relentless forecheck, but some are unforced as well. I'm loving the unsung heroes that are being born in these playoffs, and ultimately don't care who scores the big goals, but it would be nice to see one or more of the big guns fire it up for the next 3-4 weeks.
I don't watch hockey at all so I have no idea if it's true with the entire sport. I say it about football & soccer all the time. The teams that can play a bad/ugly game and still pull out wins is typically the team that goes on to win the title.
Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.
not trying to change anyone's mind, fans always think it's worse for their team, it's human nature, but not having a dog in the fight, I don't think the refs have been bad at all.
Thanks for sharing that, djm, I didn't realize that about the '93 Habs.
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Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.
Thank you. And Messier LOVES him. Good enough for me.
I dislike that team.
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The '94 Rangers caught a big break when the Caps upset the Penguins, the Rangers' nemesis. They played the Lemieux Penguins three times in the playoffs (1989, '92, '96) and lost all three times. The Rangers were 5-1 against the Caps and 6-0 against the Devils in the regular season, but only 2-2 against the Penguins
Same with those 93 Canadians avoiding Pitt. And the caps for that matter. The Dale Hunter memorial.
That was the year Lemieux was sick with cancer if I recall.
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The puck isn't even in the picture when Vesey gets hit.
I felt it was late/dirty and though I don’t have then benefit of a recording, I believe the dwarf headed beaver toothed creature accentuated the hit by jumping into Vesey as well.
Has Lonberg's elbow been discussed? I just saw it this morning for the first time.
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putting himself in he conversation but he's too slow.
And what exactly has Chytil done after a similar layoff to make anyone think Wheeler would be any better. He's older, slower.
Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
I wish we played a little heavier game against them.
LGR
I dislike that team.
I will say that the Romberg video shown above looks more egregious than any of the other angles i saw on TV.
As to Rempe, I love the kids enthusiasm but playing him in away games does not work. And if he is only playing 4 minutes, it definitely does not work. Play him at home when you control the matchups.
I dislike that team.
Was it the 3 on 2 in the first period?
He's definitely not slow, but it does take him a few strides to get those long legs going. When they do, he covers a lot of ice...fast. It's unmistakeable. True he's not reading opponents' transitions well at this point, but he more than most on team can recover ground.
Wheeler? Wheeler? Buehler? Why are we talking about him. He was quite cooked before the injury. As said last week, I think he played RW1 for ~ 20 games before notching a goal, and it was an empty net, keeper drawn out wide near post.
not trying to change anyone's mind, fans always think it's worse for their team, it's human nature, but not having a dog in the fight, I don't think the refs have been bad at all.
Well, you do have a dog, a +1500 dog (:
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Vesey because to me the video is pretty clear.
Called fairly? "Fair" has broad parameters, maybe refs have not been egregious. But even rules expert Jackson fumfered on the whistle that stopped a Rangers 3 on 2 in its tracks because Bennett (?) fell to the ice after a check holding his hand? wtf and upper body injury not even in question. Best he could do is say refs sometimes get it wrong.
How, pj, in what world is there officiating risk in letting the rush play out where it was clear beyond doubt that Bennett was not going to impact play one way or the other? He was by that point 40' behind. He wasn't gushing blood. He wasn't prone and comatose.
Even with the money at stake I don't think it clouds my judgment. I obviously want NYR to win.
Yes. Bennett got jostled, lost the puck, knew the Rangers had an odd man rush, so he crumpled to the ice as if he were shot.
Thanks for sharing that, djm, I didn't realize that about the '93 Habs.
Yep I hear you. Patrick Roy was ridiculous for the habs in that run. Beyond ridiculous. For a legendary career this was Roy’s signature moment, in my view.
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Was it the 3 on 2 in the first period?
Yes. Bennett got jostled, lost the puck, knew the Rangers had an odd man rush, so he crumpled to the ice as if he were shot.
I still don't understand why the whistle was blown. Did they even explain it or it come up again or ... Anything?
Yep. I called bullshit with the naked eye.
it was a mistake, but (from memory so I could be wrong) the puck was still on the Panthers side of the red line, so it was a potential odd-man rush, but not quite as egregious as some fans make it.
Right. I posted that too, hadn't seen it before today.
Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
There's also a video of Rodrigues attempting, and missing, a flying elbow on Wennberg.
This is a supremely dirty team.
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THIS is the really dirty hit, not so much the earlier one. This is the one that took Vesey out of the series and yet didn't even get a minor. Link - ( New Window )
Right. I posted that too, hadn't seen it before today.
Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
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Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.
I dislike that team.
Yup. I discussed this a bit before the series. They are a sneaky dirty team. I say sneaky because we know they are physical, but they are not overtly dirty. They do a lot at/after the whistle quickly to try to elicit a response, which is more likely to get the attention of the refs. Diving is another tactic along those lines. They love to goad opponents, hoping to get a PP or two.
Have you noticed how they've gone after the Rangers in goal celebrations? Tkahcuk tried to bait Rempe after Wennberg's OT winner on Sunday. I think Rempe might have chirped at him, but still. The refs had to get in front of Tkachuk.
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Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
There's also a video of Rodrigues attempting, and missing, a flying elbow on Wennberg.
This is a supremely dirty team. Link - ( New Window )
I don't know. I suspect they are, and I also suspect it won't make any difference.
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I think the officiating the past few years in the playoffs has been pretty bad.