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BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2024 6:50 am
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link to 1993  
djm : 5/28/2024 12:00 pm : link
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RE: Luck always plays a role in championships  
djm : 5/28/2024 12:05 pm : link
In comment 16525677 Greg from LI said:
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The '94 Rangers caught a big break when the Caps upset the Penguins, the Rangers' nemesis. They played the Lemieux Penguins three times in the playoffs (1989, '92, '96) and lost all three times. The Rangers were 5-1 against the Caps and 6-0 against the Devils in the regular season, but only 2-2 against the Penguins


Same with those 93 Canadians avoiding Pitt. And the caps for that matter. The Dale Hunter memorial.
RE: it was definitely a dirty hit  
Stufftherun : 5/28/2024 12:07 pm : link
In comment 16525704 Greg from LI said:
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The puck isn't even in the picture when Vesey gets hit.


I felt it was late/dirty and though I don’t have then benefit of a recording, I believe the dwarf headed beaver toothed creature accentuated the hit by jumping into Vesey as well.
RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even  
Ron Johnson : 5/28/2024 12:11 pm : link
In comment 16525705 Victor in CT said:
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putting himself in he conversation but he's too slow.

And what exactly has Chytil done after a similar layoff to make anyone think Wheeler would be any better. He's older, slower.


Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Question - does anyone watch the playoffs with the sound off?  
David in Belmont : 5/28/2024 12:13 pm : link
and listen to the Rangers' announcers on radio. Is the radio broadcast synchronized so you can do that?

Also, anyone heard how Sam Rosen is doing?

Thanks
RE: Trouba needs to stop these boneheaded, reckless plays and stay out of  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/28/2024 12:14 pm : link
In comment 16525580 Anakim said:
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The penalty box


The issue is the Panthers do them too. They just don’t get called. Is BS. Along w their making the best use of their SAG cards acting and laying paying on the ice then not missing a single shift
RE: RE: I still can't believe they won game 3  
Bear vs Shark : 5/28/2024 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16525576 Big Rick in FL said:
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But that is the beauty of this team, that they can win ugly, and win games they play nowhere near their best. That said, this series is far from over and if the Rangers play game 4 the way they played game 3, they're most likely going back to the Garden tied up on Thursday night. Through 3 games the Rangers do not have a goal out of Mika, Kreider, or Panarin and the PP is 0-8. If they're going to close out this series, those things need to change, and the defensemen need to be more careful with the puck in their own end. The turnovers are happening at an alarming rate, mostly due to Florida's relentless forecheck, but some are unforced as well. I'm loving the unsung heroes that are being born in these playoffs, and ultimately don't care who scores the big goals, but it would be nice to see one or more of the big guns fire it up for the next 3-4 weeks.



I don't watch hockey at all so I have no idea if it's true with the entire sport. I say it about football & soccer all the time. The teams that can play a bad/ugly game and still pull out wins is typically the team that goes on to win the title.
I get what you're saying, but NYR was blown off the fucking ice last game.
RE: RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16525719 Ron Johnson said:
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Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.


Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.
I think this has been a pretty fairly  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2024 12:32 pm : link
called series.

not trying to change anyone's mind, fans always think it's worse for their team, it's human nature, but not having a dog in the fight, I don't think the refs have been bad at all.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2024 12:35 pm : link
Pointing out the role of luck isn't some insult. I can't think of a championship team who didn't have some luck. We also had some bad luck with the Fox injury, so take what we can get.

Thanks for sharing that, djm, I didn't realize that about the '93 Habs.
RE: RE: RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even  
Victor in CT : 5/28/2024 12:52 pm : link
In comment 16525738 Greg from LI said:
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Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.



Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.


Thank you. And Messier LOVES him. Good enough for me.
The Panthers need to start getting called for diving  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 12:54 pm : link
Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.

I dislike that team.
Look, I really want to like Wheeler  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 12:55 pm : link
He's had a very good career, he's clearly a big team guy (cheering them on like a madman at the games). He's just SO slow now.
RE: RE: Luck always plays a role in championships  
Victor in CT : 5/28/2024 12:56 pm : link
In comment 16525713 djm said:
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The '94 Rangers caught a big break when the Caps upset the Penguins, the Rangers' nemesis. They played the Lemieux Penguins three times in the playoffs (1989, '92, '96) and lost all three times. The Rangers were 5-1 against the Caps and 6-0 against the Devils in the regular season, but only 2-2 against the Penguins



Same with those 93 Canadians avoiding Pitt. And the caps for that matter. The Dale Hunter memorial.


That was the year Lemieux was sick with cancer if I recall.
RE: RE: it was definitely a dirty hit  
schabadoo : 5/28/2024 1:00 pm : link
In comment 16525717 Stufftherun said:
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The puck isn't even in the picture when Vesey gets hit.



I felt it was late/dirty and though I don’t have then benefit of a recording, I believe the dwarf headed beaver toothed creature accentuated the hit by jumping into Vesey as well.


Has Lonberg's elbow been discussed? I just saw it this morning for the first time.
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RE: RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even  
x meadowlander : 5/28/2024 1:11 pm : link
In comment 16525719 Ron Johnson said:
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putting himself in he conversation but he's too slow.

And what exactly has Chytil done after a similar layoff to make anyone think Wheeler would be any better. He's older, slower.



Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Rempe has some negatives for sure, but speed isn't one of them. Kid is FAST.
Rangers will see the full force of Panthers physical play tonight  
Rick in Dallas : 5/28/2024 1:19 pm : link
Need to keep their heads up for sure .
I wish we played a little heavier game against them.
LGR
RE: The Panthers need to start getting called for diving  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 1:29 pm : link
In comment 16525754 Greg from LI said:
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Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.

I dislike that team.
Yup. I discussed this a bit before the series. They are a sneaky dirty team. I say sneaky because we know they are physical, but they are not overtly dirty. They do a lot at/after the whistle quickly to try to elicit a response, which is more likely to get the attention of the refs. Diving is another tactic along those lines. They love to goad opponents, hoping to get a PP or two.
I think refs have been fine overall  
ciggy : 5/28/2024 1:30 pm : link
They have missed a few but that goes both ways. Florida just plays a much heavier game.

I will say that the Romberg video shown above looks more egregious than any of the other angles i saw on TV.

As to Rempe, I love the kids enthusiasm but playing him in away games does not work. And if he is only playing 4 minutes, it definitely does not work. Play him at home when you control the matchups.
RE: The Panthers need to start getting called for diving  
Route 9 : 5/28/2024 1:42 pm : link
In comment 16525754 Greg from LI said:
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Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.

I dislike that team.


Was it the 3 on 2 in the first period?
RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even  
ColHowPepper : 5/28/2024 1:44 pm : link
In comment 16525738 Greg from LI said:
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...Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.

He's definitely not slow, but it does take him a few strides to get those long legs going. When they do, he covers a lot of ice...fast. It's unmistakeable. True he's not reading opponents' transitions well at this point, but he more than most on team can recover ground.

Wheeler? Wheeler? Buehler? Why are we talking about him. He was quite cooked before the injury. As said last week, I think he played RW1 for ~ 20 games before notching a goal, and it was an empty net, keeper drawn out wide near post.
RE: I think this has been a pretty fairly  
ColHowPepper : 5/28/2024 2:01 pm : link
In comment 16525740 pjcas18 said:
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called series.
not trying to change anyone's mind, fans always think it's worse for their team, it's human nature, but not having a dog in the fight, I don't think the refs have been bad at all.

Well, you do have a dog, a +1500 dog (:
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Vesey because to me the video is pretty clear.

Called fairly? "Fair" has broad parameters, maybe refs have not been egregious. But even rules expert Jackson fumfered on the whistle that stopped a Rangers 3 on 2 in its tracks because Bennett (?) fell to the ice after a check holding his hand? wtf and upper body injury not even in question. Best he could do is say refs sometimes get it wrong.

How, pj, in what world is there officiating risk in letting the rush play out where it was clear beyond doubt that Bennett was not going to impact play one way or the other? He was by that point 40' behind. He wasn't gushing blood. He wasn't prone and comatose.
The inadvertant or inexplicable  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2024 2:12 pm : link
whistle was wrong, still don't think that makes it a poorly called series through three games.

Even with the money at stake I don't think it clouds my judgment. I obviously want NYR to win.
RE: RE: The Panthers need to start getting called for diving  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 2:19 pm : link
In comment 16525787 Route 9 said:
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Was it the 3 on 2 in the first period?


Yes. Bennett got jostled, lost the puck, knew the Rangers had an odd man rush, so he crumpled to the ice as if he were shot.
RE: ....  
djm : 5/28/2024 2:24 pm : link
In comment 16525744 BrettNYG10 said:
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Pointing out the role of luck isn't some insult. I can't think of a championship team who didn't have some luck. We also had some bad luck with the Fox injury, so take what we can get.

Thanks for sharing that, djm, I didn't realize that about the '93 Habs.



Yep I hear you. Patrick Roy was ridiculous for the habs in that run. Beyond ridiculous. For a legendary career this was Roy’s signature moment, in my view.
oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 2:44 pm : link
THIS is the really dirty hit, not so much the earlier one. This is the one that took Vesey out of the series and yet didn't even get a minor.
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RE: RE: RE: The Panthers need to start getting called for diving  
Route 9 : 5/28/2024 2:46 pm : link
In comment 16525820 Greg from LI said:
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Was it the 3 on 2 in the first period?



Yes. Bennett got jostled, lost the puck, knew the Rangers had an odd man rush, so he crumpled to the ice as if he were shot.


I still don't understand why the whistle was blown. Did they even explain it or it come up again or ... Anything?
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Route 9 : 5/28/2024 2:46 pm : link
Just a stoppage for injury?
Had to be  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 2:53 pm : link
No other possible reason for the whistle
RE: Had to be  
Route 9 : 5/28/2024 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16525853 Greg from LI said:
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No other possible reason for the whistle


Yep. I called bullshit with the naked eye.
IMO the ref overreacted  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2024 2:59 pm : link
and thought the Panthers player was in distress. It is unusual for hockey, you usually need to be leaking or not moving for the refs to blow the whistle if your team doesn't have the puck and even then if you're leaking needs to be severe not just your average lost a bunch of chiclets scenario.

it was a mistake, but (from memory so I could be wrong) the puck was still on the Panthers side of the red line, so it was a potential odd-man rush, but not quite as egregious as some fans make it.
RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg  
schabadoo : 5/28/2024 3:09 pm : link
In comment 16525843 Greg from LI said:
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THIS is the really dirty hit, not so much the earlier one. This is the one that took Vesey out of the series and yet didn't even get a minor. Link - ( New Window )


Right. I posted that too, hadn't seen it before today.

Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
I've just never seen a whistle that quick in such a scenario  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:10 pm : link
Because it gives every incentive possible for players to dive when the puck goes the other way. If there's a potential odd man rush, they always let that play out and then, if the player remains on the ice, blow the whistle afterwards.
RE: RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16525886 schabadoo said:
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Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.


There's also a video of Rodrigues attempting, and missing, a flying elbow on Wennberg.

This is a supremely dirty team.
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RE: RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16525886 schabadoo said:
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THIS is the really dirty hit, not so much the earlier one. This is the one that took Vesey out of the series and yet didn't even get a minor. Link - ( New Window )



Right. I posted that too, hadn't seen it before today.

Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
Is the word on Vesey a head (or rather "upper body") injury?
the official word is week to week with an upper body injury  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:17 pm : link
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Oh and FWIW  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:18 pm : link
Okposo is in for Florida and Lomberg is out
also Cousins out, Lorentz in  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:23 pm : link
Seems a bit panicky for Florida to make two forward substitutions, but we'll see what happens.

RE: the official word is week to week with an upper body injury  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 3:30 pm : link
In comment 16525896 Greg from LI said:
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Thanks. It was definitely a dirty hit. But, it's hard to tell just how hard he hit him or exactly where, that it would force him out. That's nuts.
Matt, did you watch the video I linked?  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:32 pm : link
It was an elbow to the side of the head.
RE: Matt, did you watch the video I linked?  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 3:38 pm : link
In comment 16525910 Greg from LI said:
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It was an elbow to the side of the head.
I did. It looked like the back of the head or neck.
RE: RE: The Panthers need to start getting called for diving  
Costy16 : 5/28/2024 3:39 pm : link
In comment 16525775 Matt M. said:
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Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.

I dislike that team.

Yup. I discussed this a bit before the series. They are a sneaky dirty team. I say sneaky because we know they are physical, but they are not overtly dirty. They do a lot at/after the whistle quickly to try to elicit a response, which is more likely to get the attention of the refs. Diving is another tactic along those lines. They love to goad opponents, hoping to get a PP or two.


Have you noticed how they've gone after the Rangers in goal celebrations? Tkahcuk tried to bait Rempe after Wennberg's OT winner on Sunday. I think Rempe might have chirped at him, but still. The refs had to get in front of Tkachuk.
RE: RE: RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 3:40 pm : link
In comment 16525891 Greg from LI said:
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Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.



There's also a video of Rodrigues attempting, and missing, a flying elbow on Wennberg.

This is a supremely dirty team. Link - ( New Window )
Are these videos being submitted to the league formally by the Rangers? Any chance they start calling the Panthers for some of this shit? Or is it more likely they just call the whole game tighter and the Rangers get screwed some more?
Yep.  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:46 pm : link
OEL followed Laf after his spectacular goal and gave him a shove into the boards.
RE: RE: RE: RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:46 pm : link
In comment 16525913 Matt M. said:
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Are these videos being submitted to the league formally by the Rangers? Any chance they start calling the Panthers for some of this shit? Or is it more likely they just call the whole game tighter and the Rangers get screwed some more?


I don't know. I suspect they are, and I also suspect it won't make any difference.
I think the series has been called fairly  
HBart : 5/28/2024 3:51 pm : link
But with the Rangers a couple calls/nons in the red. The blown whistle play acting job that's been all over the web shows the refs up; maybe it bears fruit for the Rangers with a dive call before the series is over.
RE: Yep.  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 4:00 pm : link
In comment 16525917 Greg from LI said:
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OEL followed Laf after his spectacular goal and gave him a shove into the boards.
Yeah, I saw that and it looked like it got the attention of some Rangers, which got the attention of the officials. This is what I mean. The Panthers do shit like this all the time and hope for retaliation to get a PP.
lol  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2024 4:04 pm : link
you guys remind me of Rain Man with your serious injury list.

What list are you talking about??  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 4:22 pm : link
Anyway, back to Costy's point, I forgot about this one - Verhaeghe punching Laf in the face after Trocheck's game 2 goal because he was mad that Laf leveled him a few seconds before the goal.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2024 4:40 pm : link
I think the officiating has been fair but not good, lol.

I think the officiating the past few years in the playoffs has been pretty bad.
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