NFT: ⚾Mets Doubleheader thread for both games today⚾- 4:10 pm EDT

We'll be doing one each month for the rest of the season. It'll be easier to consolidate info this way and for everyone to be able to follow along any news and information centering around the club's various affiliates.


NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm



*For reference purposes, here is the link for the previous month as well:
NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am

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Mets vs. Dodgers | 4:10 pm EDT start - May 28, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – SNY: Gary, Keith, & Ron (strfish.xyz)

Mets vs. Dodgers | 4:10 pm EDT start - May 28, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Dodgers’ feed – SportsNet LA (strfish.xyz)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets vs. Dodgers – May 28, 2024 - 4:10 pm EDT start


Enjoy today's game 😊

Taylor almost just made a magnificent catch in CF

That's two in a row. Baty did have a big hit last game, and Vientos is likely going to play in the nightcap, but I still find it baffling that they won't just play him for an extended stretch.

Megill hanging in there vs a tough lineup. Problem is Dodgers have elite lineup and good SP too.

In comment 16525971 Metnut said:

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That's two in a row. Baty did have a big hit last game, and Vientos is likely going to play in the nightcap, but I still find it baffling that they won't just play him for an extended stretch. Megill hanging in there vs a tough lineup. Problem is Dodgers have elite lineup and good SP too.

i think they are trying to get a look at baty because he is the one currently more likely to go down.

im a little surprised they didnt give vientos DH in 1 game for JDM. or Alonso at DH and Vientos at 1b. think id have given him both games.

i know JDM is JDM, but he's had back issues and Vientos has been the best/hottest hitter on the team. i dont know why they are putting him on ice while playing older players every day who arent particularly hot right now.

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since that opening night outing where he was throwing gas that's burned into all of our heads?

As they work up his stamina I am surprised they gave him the 7th. Let’s get him the W!

With a fantastic start.

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that 8th inning defense was a sight to behold on the left side. looks like otto coming in for the 1 run save so after a walk and steal tying run probably on 2b within a couple hitters.

not looking to bury baty for 1 bad defensive play when he has been otherwise good, but another 0-fer and another game without any hard hit balls. think it may be time to give him some run in AAA.

In comment 16525998 Metnut said:

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since that opening night outing where he was throwing gas that's burned into all of our heads?

his good is so good it's frustrating because it's such a tease through the bad.

is going to blow this one too

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and cancels another deserved win from a starter. they just did the stat, they've played 30 one games. you cannot win 1 run games giving other teams extra outs. especially good teams like lad.

Another blown save. Waste of a great Megill outing. Not that they deserve to win with a whopping 2 hits by the offense. Wash, rinse, repeat with this group.

doesn't know his asshole from his elbow. He sits Vientos two games in a row and uses Ottavino to close. What a moron.

the chances if this game get to extras are not good.

i think i would but im not sure we have anyone on the bench who can pinch run.

forgot about him. need taylor to get the run in somehow.

from the "obvious" department need mcneil to come through here.

There are few players I dislike more than Jeff McNeil

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this crap team to the ground. Taylor takes a 3-1 fastball right down the middle and McNeil can't hit for shit. Just horrendous. Betts shows you how to do it. We stink.

Not sure why Taylor was taking that 3-1 fastball. He easily could have got that to the OF. They do find new ways to lose these games.

a real team shows how it's done when you let them off the hook.

looking for a walk with the bases loaded instead of being aggressive. They deserve to lose this game. This team is a high priced disaster from top to bottom.

taylor not being able to get the ball to the OF.
baty and otto errors leading to runs.

shitty execution in close games again and again and again.

watch Diaz blow games than this shit show.

All the way around....invent ways to blow games...afraid to win

they find a new way to lose. It's downright embarrassing and and brings back memories of the mid-to-late 70's Mets.

GAME #2


Starting Lineups for both clubs today for Game 2.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for the second game of today's doubleheader and tomorrow's series finale in Flushing against the Dodgers.
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Notes:
-The second game of today's doubleheader will be televised nationally on TBS as well as locally on SNY. Tomorrow's game will be on SNY.
-The weather at Citi Field for Game #2 of today's DH is excellent. Click HERE to keep updated and see Hourly AccuWeather Reports for there.
-The Mets used Garrett, Ottavino, Diekman, and Lopez in the first game today from their Bullpen. Everyone else in the pen should be available for this contest.

-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions so far for May.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for today's second game will consist of Nido (R), Taylor (R), Martinez (R), & Baty (L).

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Mets vs. Dodgers | 7:40 pm EDT start - May 28, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – SNY: Gary, Keith, & Ron (strfish.xyz)

Mets vs. Dodgers | 7:40 pm EDT start - May 28, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Dodgers’ feed – SportsNet LA (strfish.xyz)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets vs. Dodgers – May 28, 2024 - 7:40 pm EDT start


Enjoy today's game 😊

This kid continues to make this FO look like the biggest bunch of fools and I love it. Stearns bringing back 38 year old Ottavino is another brilliant move.

Worked on improving his golf game this morning.

Is brutal. About time to play Vientos everyday too.

i think they had a narrow path to being fun this year, who knows maybe still do since it's early, but that narrow path is pinhole now.

if stearns was going to come in and go for it, the playbook was closer to what eppler did (except hopefully with better choices made). they could have traded for soto, stacked the BP, and lit some $ on fire on a proven commodity like counsell.

i suppose at some point alvarez/senga getting hurt, diaz imploding, and basically everyone else having underperforming seasons to their norms there was a straw that broke mr met's back.

now the problem is culture and the corrosiveness of losing. it's hard to get rid of that stink once it starts festering. subtraction is very rarely addition. we are about to learn about david stearns and how much the leadership quotient in the org has changed. he (and his guy mendoza) need to lead this club out of the tailspin. they can/will purge some vets but replacing all star talent isn't easy and as we keep seeing prospects dont always = production. as has been the case most of this century so many of this team's issues are basic fundamentals like defense and situational hitting.

I expect him to go full overhaul mode.

The one attribute this Mets core has had is clubhouse chemistry. That is regressing now too and will be gone when we move Alonso. im ready for it.

games up (4 in the loss column) on FLA for last place in the NL.

Yes, before someone mentions it, just 5.5 out of a wild card. But there are a lot more teams between the Mets and a wild card and the Mets and last place.

Losing is contagious.

They had exactly ONE overachieving year while taking advantage of slow starts from the Braves and Phillies…only to choke in the second half like they normally do. This core is absolutely rotten and Stearns hasn’t done anything to improve it. If anything, he’s made it worse.

The Dodgers are a mediocre team FOR YEARS until they are sold in 2012…they’ve been in first place every year since. Immediate success. It’s possible.

The Phillies sign impact players and develop their own. The Braves also sign impact players, are aggressive with their young players and develop them to be stars.

The Mets do none of this. If anything, they do the opposite. I’ve never seen a big market consistently underachieve more than the NY Mets. I’d rather watch a bunch of young players take their lumps every day than this Groundhog Day bullshit that the Mets put out there every fucking year. They literally suck at everything.

2 little nothing weak ones in the 2nd game.

10 games under .500 now.

On paper they should not be the worst Mets team in a long time, but it is heading that way.

In comment 16526357 CooperDash said:

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They had exactly ONE overachieving year while taking advantage of slow starts from the Braves and Phillies…only to choke in the second half like they normally do. This core is absolutely rotten and Stearns hasn’t done anything to improve it. If anything, he’s made it worse. The Dodgers are a mediocre team FOR YEARS until they are sold in 2012…they’ve been in first place every year since. Immediate success. It’s possible. The Phillies sign impact players and develop their own. The Braves also sign impact players, are aggressive with their young players and develop them to be stars. The Mets do none of this. If anything, they do the opposite. I’ve never seen a big market consistently underachieve more than the NY Mets. I’d rather watch a bunch of young players take their lumps every day than this Groundhog Day bullshit that the Mets put out there every fucking year. They literally suck at everything.

Chemistry doesn’t directly define as success, which is what you just referred to but chemistry does define as being a cohesive unit.

Players got along and held each other accountable but also up when needed. They showed that they enjoyed the game and their teammates. No bad blood

In comment 16526410 Rory said:

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In comment 16526357 CooperDash said: Quote: They had exactly ONE overachieving year while taking advantage of slow starts from the Braves and Phillies…only to choke in the second half like they normally do. This core is absolutely rotten and Stearns hasn’t done anything to improve it. If anything, he’s made it worse. The Dodgers are a mediocre team FOR YEARS until they are sold in 2012…they’ve been in first place every year since. Immediate success. It’s possible. The Phillies sign impact players and develop their own. The Braves also sign impact players, are aggressive with their young players and develop them to be stars. The Mets do none of this. If anything, they do the opposite. I’ve never seen a big market consistently underachieve more than the NY Mets. I’d rather watch a bunch of young players take their lumps every day than this Groundhog Day bullshit that the Mets put out there every fucking year. They literally suck at everything. Chemistry doesn’t directly define as success, which is what you just referred to but chemistry does define as being a cohesive unit. Players got along and held each other accountable but also up when needed. They showed that they enjoyed the game and their teammates. No bad blood

No, my point is that this team has never had chemistry. Lindor and McNeil fighting each other, Lindor and Baez flipping off the fans, and a general malaise each year while they fail. McNeil throwing tantrums because he forgot what his role was. Bader publicly complaining about playing time. Pham talking about how nobody on this team works hard. Nobody on this team holds anyone accountable. It doesn’t even seem like they like playing with each other. So much wasted talent on his team.

There been plenty out there to be concerned about this core. What gives you the impression this is a cohesive unit?

Alonso is the easiest one to move on from since he is a free agent.

Nimmo and Lindor have huge money and significant years left. And I doubt they would move either of those two anyway.

And they will have to eat huge money to dump McNeil because he is due over $30 million through 2026 and let's be real....nobody is trading for that contract.

I'm not really convinced people will be lining up to trade for him even with the Mets eating significant money either.

What was he supposed to do to improve this “core” Cooper? He came in with basically a fixed asset pool of mish mosh, no pitching, and a debt load on payroll of enormous proportions paid for in past two years that he couldn’t lever out himself right away.

If anything his approach so far has been aligned with my thinking, expectations and strategy preferences.

He should blow this current roster apart as much as he can.

The FO bought into their 2022 success, which included more luck than they were willing to acknowledge. I get that Lindor and Nimmo are immovable with their contracts, but they’re at least plus layers at their positions (even if Nimmo has much less value as a COF).

I don’t know what to do with McNeil, he’s working on a 3rd season in the last 4 with a below league average OPS. I think taking the shift away really hurt him, even if I never understood why teams would use it on him, especially with 2 strikes. To me, everyone is available, except for Alvarez and Scott.

lets not paint with too broad of a brush here and throw all the babies out with the bathwater. if the highest paid closer in MLB history converts just 6/7 saves they are 28-26 right now.

the core isn't playing their best but the situation feels dire right now because diaz is playing his worst. they haven't just lost games apathetically, they have lost games they should have won in soul crushing ways.

The thumbs down spectacle didnt really phase me much because we really do have some shitty overreactive fans in the stands.

But between Nimmo Alonso Lindor and more lately Alverez there is strong group of positive personalities in the clubhouse which is great for young players and attracts some FA’s. We dont have any selfish overly charismatic players and always sense a certain level Of brotherhood in the group.

I think Buck saw that and was a reason why he didnt want to disrupt the group when playing rookies.

Not saying i agree with that approach but it somewhat validates that decision.

I also think character in the clubhouse is vastly underrated and goes unnoticed by fans.

All good bro

most blown saves in 1 seasons = 2021 washington nationals with 36.

that's how bad may has been and it's not even over.

zips just released their 2 month update and they have mets now ending 78-84 despite this recent stretch. so put another way, they see mets as a +4 over .500 roster the rest of the way despite being 10 under right now.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-zips-two-month-standings-update/ - ( New Window )

Hes gonna become heavily reliant on his slider and that is alot more stress on his elbow after almost 2 years off.

I was for the deal at the time but man…

Imo signing Closers and 1b to long deals weigh similar risk as rbs in the NFL

Lets not repeat the misjudgement

In comment 16526863 Rory said:

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Hes gonna become heavily reliant on his slider and that is alot more stress on his elbow after almost 2 years off. I was for the deal at the time but man… Imo signing Closers and 1b to long deals weigh similar risk as rbs in the NFL Lets not repeat the misjudgement

in fairness nobody could have predicted a torn patellar in that fashion before throwing a single pitch. that is a very uncommon baseball injury, and it happened in a freaking WBC celebration.

if diaz was even what he was in 2021 last year, that team probably never sells and maybe gets a wild card and who knows how much is different.

Mets have placed Edwin Diaz on the IL with a shoulder impingement. Josh Walker is recalled.

Mets have placed Edwin Diaz on the IL with a shoulder impingement. Josh Walker is recalled.

And there it is.