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Poll: Is Waller retiring or not?

CMicks3110 : 5/28/2024 8:55 pm
it's almost June. I'm surprised he hasn't announced it yet, and given how close we are, what's everyone's best guess at this point. This is not a question of what you want, but a question of what will happen. Will Waller be at training camp with plans to play the season---Yes or No?
I'm ok with  
Bill in UT : 5/28/2024 9:04 pm : link
waiting and finding out rather than spending a moment guessing
yes he'll be in camp  
Giantsfan79 : 5/28/2024 9:05 pm : link
He's getting divorced, so a few million coming in would be smart for him. Also the whole he's been doing it his whole life, what the hell else is there dynamic
Because he has a history  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2024 9:07 pm : link
of addiction and mental health issues, I think cut the guy some slack and let him figure it out on his timetable.
It’s literally a coin toss  
eric2425ny : 5/28/2024 9:10 pm : link
Absolutely no idea.
I was waiting to see what people thought.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/28/2024 9:10 pm : link
I was wrong. I thought more people would be bitching about him not publicly announcing anything yet. Glad to see others see it the way I do.

No offense CMicks but who really gives a fuck? I mean I know people do but it doesn't change anything for us. It wouldn't surprise me to hear that they've been communicating and Waller already let them know. When he does something, great. He's not stopping us from doing anything.
RE: I was waiting to see what people thought.  
eric2425ny : 5/28/2024 9:15 pm : link
In comment 16526170 robbieballs2003 said:
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I was wrong. I thought more people would be bitching about him not publicly announcing anything yet. Glad to see others see it the way I do.

No offense CMicks but who really gives a fuck? I mean I know people do but it doesn't change anything for us. It wouldn't surprise me to hear that they've been communicating and Waller already let them know. When he does something, great. He's not stopping us from doing anything.


I actually liked that there was no announcement before the draft. If there was it would have made it tougher to get a prospect like Johnson where they did.
Idk  
Breeze_94 : 5/28/2024 9:17 pm : link
But the fans who are hoping he retires confuse me. I don’t see any way the Giants offense isn’t better with Waller on the field - even if he misses a few games here and there.

He’s a favorable matchup against most safeties and LB’s, and was much better last year than you’d think after reading this board.

Having him helps Nabers, Wan’Dale and the other receivers. Makes the field harder to defend. And helps Jones too as they currently lack a
big-bodied redzone/middle of the field target without Waller.
RE: Idk  
eric2425ny : 5/28/2024 9:20 pm : link
In comment 16526178 Breeze_94 said:
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But the fans who are hoping he retires confuse me. I don’t see any way the Giants offense isn’t better with Waller on the field - even if he misses a few games here and there.

He’s a favorable matchup against most safeties and LB’s, and was much better last year than you’d think after reading this board.

Having him helps Nabers, Wan’Dale and the other receivers. Makes the field harder to defend. And helps Jones too as they currently lack a
big-bodied redzone/middle of the field target without Waller.


Agreed, even at 70% of what he was a few years back he’s a weapon. Especially with Nabers, an improving Wan’Dale, and a speedster like Hyatt.
I want this fother mucker off of the team...  
DefenseWins : 5/28/2024 9:25 pm : link
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RE: I want this fother mucker off of the team...  
eric2425ny : 5/28/2024 9:26 pm : link
In comment 16526181 DefenseWins said:
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Subtle lol
I just don’t see how you can count on him  
BillT : 5/28/2024 9:30 pm : link
He’s been injured three years in a row. It’s seems to be a chronic issue. Injuries have obviously been a major issue for us. Now that we’ve rebuilt the TE corps I’d be happier to have his cap space.
If Waller retires, the Giants eat a  
shyster : 5/28/2024 9:30 pm : link
and that's it.

If he comes back on his current contract, he gets paid $12M for 2024. That's fully guaranteed as of Week 1.

And then he would still be a $6M dead cap hit for 2025, if Giants want to move on after this year.

So if he comes back for his money in 2024, but gets injured (or isn't motivated), it's another big chunk of dough down the drain.
Should read: eat a $7.8M dead cap hit for 2024  
shyster : 5/28/2024 9:31 pm : link
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RE: Idk  
Milton : 5/28/2024 9:40 pm : link
In comment 16526178 Breeze_94 said:
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But the fans who are hoping he retires confuse me. I don’t see any way the Giants offense isn’t better with Waller on the field - even if he misses a few games here and there.
Agreed! A healthy Waller would give Jones a tall target to complement Nabers, Robinson, Hyatt and/or Slayton. My hope is that the retirement talk is related to his contract. Maybe he wants more money, maybe he just wants his 2024 salary guaranteed, maybe he wants to be traded to the West Coast; it just doesn't make sense that a 31-year old, former late-round pick would walk away from $10M.
I’m in the minority but I think he’s playing  
Metnut : 5/28/2024 9:49 pm : link
He’s going to show up to camp at the last minute.
I  
AcidTest : 5/28/2024 9:52 pm : link
think he'll retire, but I agree the whole subject is tiresome at this point.
No idea,  
section125 : 5/28/2024 9:57 pm : link
but I'll say retire.
Considering him gone is the best idea going forward IMO  
bwitz : 5/28/2024 10:03 pm : link
If he comes back, so be it.
With all of the other TE moves  
Blue Dog : 5/28/2024 10:16 pm : link
They seem prepared to move on, I'm sure they would like to have him but their backs aren't against the wall if he's gone. 6 other TEs on the roster now with a wide range of specialties.
Fucking cut him June 1st  
Rick in Dallas : 5/28/2024 10:28 pm : link
Play the young guys
I think it will be very tough to walk away from 12 million  
George from PA : 5/29/2024 1:54 am : link
Curious to see if Giants accept him back....missing time
RE: Fucking cut him June 1st  
Blue Dog : 5/29/2024 2:09 am : link
In comment 16526299 Rick in Dallas said:
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Play the young guys


Doubt they'd ever cut him. There is no reason to just give up his rights. They can designate him as reserve/retired at any point whether he comes out and retires or not. The money saved would be the same as cutting if he never comes back, but he can't go to another team. If he keeps dragging his feet but comes back too late they could keep him as a reserve while he gets in shape and they would only pay his prorated salary for the games he's activated.
This is one of the cases  
BigBlueCane : 5/29/2024 4:00 am : link
where the Giants players know the Giants organization is not going to be as ruthless as say the Eagles would be.

For good or ill, I think Waller is here until his personal issues are resolved.
He wasn't worth $12MM last year.  
mfjmfj : 5/29/2024 5:47 am : link
Don't think he will be this year. If he does not retire, then cut him.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/29/2024 6:06 am : link
I hope so.
RE: He wasn't worth $12MM last year.  
Blue Dog : 5/29/2024 6:10 am : link
In comment 16526469 mfjmfj said:
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Don't think he will be this year. If he does not retire, then cut him.


Sunk cost. It isn't if he's worth the $12M because you don't get it all back by cutting him. It would be if he's worth the $6.7M saved.
I wish he'd just make up his mind  
Ira : 5/29/2024 6:46 am : link
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Maybe?  
logman : 5/29/2024 7:01 am : link
The Giants are operating as if he won't be here. There's really no pressing need to make a move until the end of camp.

Maybe if he starts missing the mandatory program, that might give them more incentive to fill the roster spot differently.
RE: RE: He wasn't worth $12MM last year.  
shyster : 5/29/2024 7:11 am : link
In comment 16526471 Blue Dog said:
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Sunk cost. It isn't if he's worth the $12M because you don't get it all back by cutting him. It would be if he's worth the $6.7M saved.


Giants do stand to save $12M cash by cutting him and every dollar not spent is, ultimately, a dollar of cap space saved.

They don't get $12N in cap space in 2024 from cutting him because of money they have already paid him that would count as dead cap. But they save the $12M cash and that frees up $12M cap space over this year and next.
RE: RE: RE: He wasn't worth $12MM last year.  
Blue Dog : 5/29/2024 7:21 am : link
In comment 16526489 shyster said:
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In comment 16526471 Blue Dog said:


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Sunk cost. It isn't if he's worth the $12M because you don't get it all back by cutting him. It would be if he's worth the $6.7M saved.



Giants do stand to save $12M cash by cutting him and every dollar not spent is, ultimately, a dollar of cap space saved.

They don't get $12N in cap space in 2024 from cutting him because of money they have already paid him that would count as dead cap. But they save the $12M cash and that frees up $12M cap space over this year and next.


The post June 1 cut moves $5M in dead money to next year. That will be the only option very soon obviously, but it is just taking the money from next year's cap space. Not spending the extra cash now now would roll it over and cancel it out.
Can at least we put to bed  
JT039 : 5/29/2024 7:59 am : link
The idea of this guy being a prominent player? He sucked last year when he did play. Always hurt.

Good riddance.
If it was just the injury stuff then I would probably lean to  
ThomasG : 5/29/2024 8:42 am : link
wanting to drag it out another year with Waller, but it's not.

To me, it is that he mostly played soft and was unimpactful when he wasn't injured that was particularly bothersome. He left plays on the field that you want to see a tall athletic TE make, was pretty sad blocking outside on WR screens and such, and

Shuffling our challenged QBs in-and-out all year didn't help but also recall Waller getting outmuscled by a defender on a bunch of contested throws too. He needed to be a more go-to guy and simply wasn't for most of the games.
I like Darren Waller  
Fishmanjim57 : 5/29/2024 10:45 am : link
He's going through some tough personal decisions in his life right now, I'm glad the Giants didn't cut him, nor are they forcing him to make a decision, they're giving him some time ti decide.
Waller is a good guy, and what he can provide on the field when he's healthy is great.
I hope he's getting some help with his troubles.
RE: Idk  
Section331 : 5/29/2024 10:51 am : link
In comment 16526178 Breeze_94 said:
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But the fans who are hoping he retires confuse me. I don’t see any way the Giants offense isn’t better with Waller on the field - even if he misses a few games here and there.

He’s a favorable matchup against most safeties and LB’s, and was much better last year than you’d think after reading this board.

Having him helps Nabers, Wan’Dale and the other receivers. Makes the field harder to defend. And helps Jones too as they currently lack a
big-bodied redzone/middle of the field target without Waller.


He wasn't very good when healthy last year, I think the injuries have taken their toll. Part of me wonders if he's hoping the Giants cut him so he can get paid and play for someone else?
My guess is the decision is made  
UConn4523 : 5/29/2024 11:02 am : link
and the announcement is delayed. My other guess would be he’s retiring.
RE: RE: Idk  
Blue Dog : 5/29/2024 11:31 am : link
In comment 16526619 Section331 said:
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In comment 16526178 Breeze_94 said:


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But the fans who are hoping he retires confuse me. I don’t see any way the Giants offense isn’t better with Waller on the field - even if he misses a few games here and there.

He’s a favorable matchup against most safeties and LB’s, and was much better last year than you’d think after reading this board.

Having him helps Nabers, Wan’Dale and the other receivers. Makes the field harder to defend. And helps Jones too as they currently lack a
big-bodied redzone/middle of the field target without Waller.



He wasn't very good when healthy last year, I think the injuries have taken their toll. Part of me wonders if he's hoping the Giants cut him so he can get paid and play for someone else?


He was actually still pretty good, just not anything close to his prime years. He was on pace for 782 yards, that would have been 8th for TEs and more than Engram ever had here. You have to go back to Shockey in 2005 for a TE to produce more. With Theo Johnson here, and the two blocking specialists which will open up Bellinger, hopefully if he does stick around that those additions help keep him upright.
I thought I saw on twitter  
Old Dirty : 5/29/2024 1:02 pm : link
a clip from OTAs last week that showed him practicing with the team. This would definitely lead me to think he's giving it a go. I would like for him to play this year and be successful, that is unless he feels like he can't give it 100%. IF that's the case I hope he isn't planning on taking valuable snaps from our other TEs who need developing.

With the news of his pending divorce and his history of substance abuse, I hope the Giants are giving him the time and support he needs. I know we are all just fans of the team, but he's a real person with some issues. I'd hate to read about him harming himself or worse.
RE: Fucking cut him June 1st  
Optimus-NY : 5/29/2024 1:34 pm : link
In comment 16526299 Rick in Dallas said:
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Play the young guys


I'm of that opinion too. They need the cap space anyway. As long as they're happy with what they've got at TE, then send him packing.
I thought he was  
AcesUp : 5/29/2024 2:17 pm : link
But the longer this goes the more likely I think he comes back.
help me out please  
GFiLA : 5/29/2024 4:27 pm : link
the way that i see it is that if the team cuts him he will get paid and will have the power to join another team. If he retires the team is not obligated to pay him and the team will hold his rights. If that is right why would be retire? It is not in his best interest. The money that he will earn this year will be his and not subject to sharing it with his wife since he is earning his salary after the divorce papers have been filed. What am i missing?
Watching the Raiders  
Paulie Walnuts : 5/29/2024 5:36 pm : link
I hated the trade always hurt
At this point…  
thrunthrublue : 5/29/2024 8:32 pm : link
He’s at his slowest, most injury prone……last season he was not dependable, now he is a year older it’s gotta be down to a cost benefit decision for JS n DB.
RE: Idk  
cactus : 5/30/2024 12:25 pm : link
In comment 16526178 Breeze_94 said:
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But the fans who are hoping he retires confuse me. I don’t see any way the Giants offense isn’t better with Waller on the field - even if he misses a few games here and there


totally agree. nabers, robinson, hyatt/slayton, and waller could be a really, really good group when healthy
RE: Because he has a history  
RasputinPrime : 5/30/2024 11:38 pm : link
In comment 16526166 pjcas18 said:
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of addiction and mental health issues, I think cut the guy some slack and let him figure it out on his timetable.


amen.
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