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NFT: Mets vs Dodgers: Gm 3 ⚾Peterson (L) v Paxton (L)⚾ 4:10 pm ET

Optimus-NY : 5/29/2024 3:53 pm

Starting Lineups for both clubs today.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for the games today & tomorrow in Flushing against the Dodgers and D-backs respectively.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-The games today and tomorrow will each be on SNY.
-The weather for today's games at Citi Field will be fine to start, but sketchy as the game goes on. There’s a chance of thunderstorms and rain about two hours into the game. Click HERE to keep updated and see Hourly AccuWeather Reports for there.
-The Mets made 4 transactions today. They’re as follows: (1 & 2) They optioned relief pitchers RHP Dedniel Núñez and LHP Dedniel Núñez to Syracuse—the latter was the 27th man for both games of yesterday’s doubleheader; (3) They activated LHP starter David Peterson from the 60-day injured list; and (4) they signed free agent LHP Julian Smith to a minor league contract.

-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions so far for May.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for today’s game will consist of Narváez (L), Nimmo (L), Stewart (L), & Baty (L).
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Check out the Minor League thread for May below:  
Optimus-NY : 5/29/2024 3:54 pm : link
We'll be doing one each month for the rest of the season. It'll be easier to consolidate info this way and for everyone to be able to follow along any news and information centering around the club's various affiliates.


NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm



*For reference purposes, here is the link for the previous month as well:
NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am
poll of the day what was worse for mets  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2024 3:59 pm : link
a) duaner sanchez cab driver
b) jerry blevins worn out shoes slipping on a curb
c) team puerto rico's WBC celebration

Tim Healey
@timbhealey
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Breaking: The Mets put Edwin Diaz on the IL with a right shoulder impingement.

Josh Walker is called up, four hours after he was sent down.
Here are links to today's game:  
Optimus-NY : 5/29/2024 4:01 pm : link
*Courtesy of sportsurge.net*

Mets vs. Dodgers | 4:10 pm EDT start - May 29, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – SNY: Gary, Keith, & Ron (strfish.xyz)

Mets vs. Dodgers | 4:10 pm EDT start - May 29, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Dodgers’ feed – SportsNet LA (strfish.xyz)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets vs. Dodgers – May 29, 2024 - 4:10 pm EDT start


Enjoy today's game 😊


RE: poll of the day what was worse for mets  
Optimus-NY : 5/29/2024 4:02 pm : link
In comment 16526878 Eric on Li said:
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a) duaner sanchez cab driver
b) jerry blevins worn out shoes slipping on a curb
c) team puerto rico's WBC celebration

Tim Healey
@timbhealey
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Breaking: The Mets put Edwin Diaz on the IL with a right shoulder impingement.

Josh Walker is called up, four hours after he was sent down.


I'd go Choice "A" believe it or not.
Right shoulder impingement?  
Optimus-NY : 5/29/2024 4:03 pm : link
Sound like something I've got after reading it, lol.
The leg injury was more significant than I figured it would be  
moespree : 5/29/2024 4:07 pm : link
Obviously it was a serious injury, that I had no doubt.

But I underestimated the amount of power he generates from his legs. The velocity is down, and I guess it would make sense for there to be strain placed on his arm if he has to adjust to weaker leg power.

One-third of the season is over and these turkey are 22-32.  
Optimus-NY : 5/29/2024 4:08 pm : link
They're on pace to win 66 games. Don't know what else to say about that. Even if they play .500 ball for the last two-thirds of the season, they'd finish with a record of 74-88---which would be one game worse than last year's squad. IF they keep this up, then this team will indeed be in sell mode. They have a month and a half to do something about it.
RE: RE: poll of the day what was worse for mets  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2024 4:08 pm : link
In comment 16526885 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16526878 Eric on Li said:


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a) duaner sanchez cab driver
b) jerry blevins worn out shoes slipping on a curb
c) team puerto rico's WBC celebration

Tim Healey
@timbhealey
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Breaking: The Mets put Edwin Diaz on the IL with a right shoulder impingement.

Josh Walker is called up, four hours after he was sent down.



I'd go Choice "A" believe it or not.


Think id actually go B. That 2015 team was so close and the Royals team had some lefties who wouldn't have liked Blevins.

All 3 options have merits.
RE: One-third of the season is over and these turkey are 22-32.  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2024 4:09 pm : link
In comment 16526891 Optimus-NY said:
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They're on pace to win 66 games. Don't know what else to say about that. Even if they play .500 ball for the last two-thirds of the season, they'd finish with a record of 74-88---which would be one game worse than last year's squad. IF they keep this up, then this team will indeed be in sell mode. They have a month and a half to do something about it.


zips just updated their projection for ROS and it was 78-84, so they see them as a slightly above .500 roster though that was with Diaz. without him id guess the projection trends closer to yours.
RE: RE: RE: poll of the day what was worse for mets  
JayBinQueens : 5/29/2024 4:17 pm : link
In comment 16526892 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16526885 Optimus-NY said:


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In comment 16526878 Eric on Li said:


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a) duaner sanchez cab driver
b) jerry blevins worn out shoes slipping on a curb
c) team puerto rico's WBC celebration

Tim Healey
@timbhealey
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Breaking: The Mets put Edwin Diaz on the IL with a right shoulder impingement.

Josh Walker is called up, four hours after he was sent down.



I'd go Choice "A" believe it or not.



Think id actually go B. That 2015 team was so close and the Royals team had some lefties who wouldn't have liked Blevins.

All 3 options have merits.

I think I'd go A as well
And...  
JayBinQueens : 5/29/2024 4:20 pm : link
now Alonso hit on the hand and taken out of the game after walking to first
RE: And...  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2024 4:22 pm : link
In comment 16526903 JayBinQueens said:
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now Alonso hit on the hand and taken out of the game after walking to first


crappy injury but if it had to happen, it will give baty and vientos a chance to play ever day in big leagues.
Who are waiting on to come back from the I.L. still?  
Optimus-NY : 5/29/2024 4:22 pm : link
1) Alvarez (coming back in about a month)
2) Senga (who knows when he'll be back. Post All-Star Break perhaps?)
3) Diaz now (15 days)
4) & Drew Smith--no loss there lol (sometime in the next month or so I'm guessing).

Am I right? Anyone missing?

P.S. They need to do something with one of the backup catchers before Alvarez comes off the I.L.

*Now Pete looks hurt having been hit in the index finger of his right hand it looks like.
Alonso out....  
dannysection 313 : 5/29/2024 4:24 pm : link
So, the "problem" of finding a way to play Baty and Vientos has been solved...at least for the time being.

By the way, fuc@ the WBC....
The  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2024 4:28 pm : link
Angels and Rockies are averaging more fans than the Mets... and it's May. What a season.
RE: Who are waiting on to come back from the I.L. still?  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2024 4:31 pm : link
In comment 16526906 Optimus-NY said:
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1) Alvarez (coming back in about a month)
2) Senga (who knows when he'll be back. Post All-Star Break perhaps?)
3) Diaz now (15 days)
4) & Drew Smith--no loss there lol (sometime in the next month or so I'm guessing).

Am I right? Anyone missing?

P.S. They need to do something with one of the backup catchers before Alvarez comes off the I.L.

*Now Pete looks hurt having been hit in the index finger of his right hand it looks like.


1. believe dmm said alvarez starting a rehab assignment tomorrow? so he should be mid-June.

2. Senga is back at square one basically, so he is 4-6 weeks best case even with no other setbacks.

3. i would guess diaz is shut down for some amount of time (15 day IL to start likely means more than 1 week) so then probably needs at least a 2 week ramp/rehab. i doubt we see him again until he is in full form.

4. drew smith is back in rehab appearances, i think dmm said he'd originally had a set back.

pretty sure we are getting awfully close to a full on youth movement.
RE: RE: Who are waiting on to come back from the I.L. still?  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2024 4:34 pm : link
In comment 16526914 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16526906 Optimus-NY said:


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1) Alvarez (coming back in about a month)
2) Senga (who knows when he'll be back. Post All-Star Break perhaps?)
3) Diaz now (15 days)
4) & Drew Smith--no loss there lol (sometime in the next month or so I'm guessing).

Am I right? Anyone missing?

P.S. They need to do something with one of the backup catchers before Alvarez comes off the I.L.

*Now Pete looks hurt having been hit in the index finger of his right hand it looks like.



1. believe dmm said alvarez starting a rehab assignment tomorrow? so he should be mid-June.

2. Senga is back at square one basically, so he is 4-6 weeks best case even with no other setbacks.

3. i would guess diaz is shut down for some amount of time (15 day IL to start likely means more than 1 week) so then probably needs at least a 2 week ramp/rehab. i doubt we see him again until he is in full form.

4. drew smith is back in rehab appearances, i think dmm said he'd originally had a set back.

pretty sure we are getting awfully close to a full on youth movement.


Yup. Tomorrow with Bing for Alvarez. Smith had a set back and restarted his rehab (made his first appearance on Sunday) for the Cyclones. We won't be seeing Senga or Diaz anytime soon.
marte has looked bad at plate to me for a while but under hood  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2024 4:42 pm : link
he is somehow still holding up ok with the bat even though he has been 0 value on the year. speed totally gone and defense has to be among worst in mlb despite his very good arm. hopefully there is a team with some DH/COF at bats available willing to roll the dice on marte even at a severely reduced price.

McNeil needs a change of scenery  
dannysection 313 : 5/29/2024 4:44 pm : link
Can't imagine how much of his contract Cohen would have to eat to make it happen.

He looks miserable and gives up on AB's which he never used to do.

1/3 of the way thru the season with 14 RBI's?

He picked a great year to win a batting title, that's for sure....
McNeil  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2024 4:53 pm : link
and Marte both have negative value. Cohen would have to eat significant money to move either one. Not saying he won't but they are owed over 50 million AFTER 2024.
RE: McNeil  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2024 5:08 pm : link
In comment 16526928 DanMetroMan said:
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and Marte both have negative value. Cohen would have to eat significant money to move either one. Not saying he won't but they are owed over 50 million AFTER 2024.


mcneil has shown very little this year and he has the partially torn elbow. im not sure anyone is going to be all that interested even if he's close to free.

marte has something in his bat still so there may be a team willing to take a flier but totally agree, mets have to pay almost all of his money (or maybe what they dont pay they eat in a contract the other team is looking to move).
RE: RE: McNeil  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2024 5:11 pm : link
In comment 16526941 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16526928 DanMetroMan said:


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and Marte both have negative value. Cohen would have to eat significant money to move either one. Not saying he won't but they are owed over 50 million AFTER 2024.



mcneil has shown very little this year and he has the partially torn elbow. im not sure anyone is going to be all that interested even if he's close to free.

marte has something in his bat still so there may be a team willing to take a flier but totally agree, mets have to pay almost all of his money (or maybe what they dont pay they eat in a contract the other team is looking to move).


McNeil's reputation off the field is also not exactly that of a guy who is going to be cool being a part time player either. Not ideal for another team trading for a guy who looks awful right now. I don't think either one would be moved without Cohen eating big money.
this seems like pretty good velocity from peterson  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2024 5:13 pm : link
dont remember him over 95mph much in the past.

RE: One-third of the season is over and these turkey are 22-32.  
Optimus-NY : 5/29/2024 5:14 pm : link
In comment 16526891 Optimus-NY said:
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They're on pace to win 66 games. Don't know what else to say about that. Even if they play .500 ball for the last two-thirds of the season, they'd finish with a record of 74-88---which would be one game worse than last year's squad. IF they keep this up, then this team will indeed be in sell mode. They have a month and a half to do something about it.


Meant to write 76-86, not 74-88.
2023  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2024 5:20 pm : link
Peterson threw only 6 pitches 95+, 2022 he threw 41 (including a career high 98.2)
RE: 2023  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2024 5:59 pm : link
In comment 16526949 DanMetroMan said:
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Peterson threw only 6 pitches 95+, 2022 he threw 41 (including a career high 98.2)


7 pitches over 95 just today.
nido is not a good hitter but he has hit the ball hard this year  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2024 6:01 pm : link
barrel rate and avg ev likely going up after todays homer. narvaez days likely numbered, and rightfully so he has been awful.

Interesting play to end the inning  
Ira : 5/29/2024 6:03 pm : link
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adam ottodonezo  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2024 6:42 pm : link
often the first instinct is right, when he opted out it seemed like a bullet dodged. savant profile still looks good but between the basepath issues, the control issues, and the consistent big hits allowed, just too many ways he can burn them.
pretty typical pitch mix from peterson today  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2024 6:48 pm : link
maybe a little less curveball/changeup than usual.

Thomas Nestico
@TJStats
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David Peterson made his return from the IL today with a solid start against the Dodgers.

Peterson generated a good amount of chases and held the Dodgers to 2 ER. His stuff graded out about average, and his sinker limited damage.

 
ryanmkeane : 5/29/2024 7:13 pm : link
Not sure why they wouldn’t trade everyone at this point. It’s the only move.
Put another "L" in the books...  
Optimus-NY : 5/29/2024 7:35 pm : link
Mets postgame show on SNY is weird.  
Optimus-NY : 5/29/2024 7:38 pm : link
Zeile and Apple are talking in circles. This team sucks.
Who cares about Lopez throwing his glove into the crowd?  
Optimus-NY : 5/29/2024 7:50 pm : link
Give me a break. No big deal.
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DanMetroMan : 5/29/2024 8:20 pm : link

David O'Brien
Verified

@DOBrienATL
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7m
David Fletcher -- yes, the infielder -- started tonight for Triple-A Gwinnett and pitched 5 innings of 3-hit ball with 2 runs, 1 walk, 6 Ks. Struck out Jackson Holiday among others. He features a knuckleball. They've used him to pitch a few times but this was his first start.
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DanMetroMan : 5/29/2024 8:39 pm : link
Abbey Mastracco
@AbbeyMastracco

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2m
Jorge Lopez’s expletive-filled explanation of what happened with the 3B ump went a bit off the rails, he said the Mets are the “worst team” and he thinks he embarrassed them. He doesn’t regret tossing the glove.
What an unlikable group this is  
Sean : 5/29/2024 8:53 pm : link
It's not enough to just be bad, it's to be as bad as they are and expensive. The highest payroll in MLB. Brutal.

No one should be off limits. Trade everyone.
Is this a record for the shortest amount of time that  
CooperDash : 5/29/2024 9:05 pm : link
a new manager has lost a team?

I have nothing against Mendoza, but what a disaster.
lopez dfa'd  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2024 9:30 pm : link
guess we know why he was available for 2m
good reminder why "you get what you pay for" is usually truism

good for lindor saying that the team meeting had nothing to do with lopez and losing that game had nothing to do with lopez. his comments re the meeting were interesting and seemed genuine.

big spotlight on stearns and mendoza to show something tangible beyond DFA'ing a reliever practically begging for his own release. in terms of clubhouse morale this feels like the lowest point of both rojas and mick the dick, minus the sexual harassment (hopefully). also a good reminder why a respected pro like buck was such a popular choice in the first place. something is rotten in there and they need to root it out.
RE: poll of the day what was worse for mets  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/29/2024 10:12 pm : link
In comment 16526878 Eric on Li said:
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a) duaner sanchez cab driver
b) jerry blevins worn out shoes slipping on a curb
c) team puerto rico's WBC celebration


Boddy Ojeda's hedge clipper has entered the room.
I'm not expecting them to fire Mendoza after one season  
moespree : 5/29/2024 10:18 pm : link
But it's not looking good. It's not even June yet and the Mets circus is back in town.

And what happened today won't be the last bizarre thing that happens this year, I think we all know that.

He has to show some kind of pulse that he can handle the clubhouse.
In the words of Michael Ray Richardson  
dannysection 313 : 5/29/2024 10:35 pm : link
"The ship be sinking."

110 games to go is a lot of baseball.

Mendoza? Can't blame him for the ugly numbers the highest paid players are putting up, but you've got to wonder how long he lasts.

Buck is probably thanking his lucky stars he's not a part of this mess.

Meanwhile Cohen seems most interested in the issues he's having with building his casino and entertainment center....
RE: I'm not expecting them to fire Mendoza after one season  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2024 10:38 pm : link
In comment 16527102 moespree said:
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But it's not looking good. It's not even June yet and the Mets circus is back in town.

And what happened today won't be the last bizarre thing that happens this year, I think we all know that.

He has to show some kind of pulse that he can handle the clubhouse.


he doesnt strike me as in over his head as callaway did at this point. i remember pretty clearly thinking very quickly that callaway was a mistake they needed to get rid of to the point of wanting terry collins back.

this feels more like luis rojas in august 2021, when ironically they got swept by the LAD with diaz blowing either 1 or 2 games. watching a wreck happening in slow motion with a manager frozen in time.



there's time for mendoza to save himself, all he has to do is find a way for this team to not continue shooting itself in the dick.
And Stearns needs to show some kind of pulse that he can  
CooperDash : 5/29/2024 10:40 pm : link
run this franchise. I never expected the Mets to contend this season - maybe they could eke out a WC spot if things line up - but I also didn’t expect them to be a disaster. An embarrassment. If anything, I expected Stearns to inject some stability in the franchise.

Lopez is another notch in the growing list of his piss poor signings. This team is also full of proven players that continue to be worse players. Get a hold of your team, David.
somehow actually found the fire callaway thread  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2024 10:53 pm : link
we are 12 days from the 6 year anniversary. i dont specifically remember what comments callaway made that i was referring to but i think it was when he pulled syndergaard from a game he shouldnt have and then had to apologize to the team for it (along with other apologies he made when he screwed up the lineup card, and probably some others).

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RE: Is there any Mets fan that prefers a run at it vs blowing it up?
Eric on Li : mute : 6/10/2018 9:55 am : link

I'm pretty sure the answer yes with 1 caveat - what is the internal opinion of Callaway? Rhetorical question, unless you want to answer. His comments/behavior the last couple weeks may have cratered the entire clubhouse when it may have just been a down period due to injuries. If I had the opinion that he's a guy truly in over his head and not just a rookie manager making some mistakes, I'd seriously consider giving Collins a month before the deadline to see what happens.

This roster is highly highly flawed. But if they get to the halfway point of the season with a healthy Thor/JDG/Familia and Matz/Wheeler are still pitching well and they're within 3-4 games, this shithole roster would still have a better chance at a miracle run than most others this franchise has fielded this decade. And a better chance than the rosters in the future since I highly doubt they are signing a better closer this offseason and there are only so many years left with JDG/Thor together.


spoiler alert, the mets did only get 1 more season with jdg, thor, and wheeler together healthy, and it was with mickey callaway.
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Rock  
Spider43 : 5/30/2024 12:29 am : link
Bottom?

Somehow, I don't think so...
RE: And Stearns needs to show some kind of pulse that he can  
Sammo85 : 5/30/2024 9:15 am : link
In comment 16527119 CooperDash said:
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run this franchise. I never expected the Mets to contend this season - maybe they could eke out a WC spot if things line up - but I also didn’t expect them to be a disaster. An embarrassment. If anything, I expected Stearns to inject some stability in the franchise.

Lopez is another notch in the growing list of his piss poor signings. This team is also full of proven players that continue to be worse players. Get a hold of your team, David.



I'm pretty sure he has a hold of the team - keeping in mind he basically has been here for 6 months. You need to simmer down.

And why don't you mention Severino, Manaea? Two very good signings so far. Imagine where this team would be without them? Shudder.

Lopez and Wendle were nothing more than filler signings. Do I love that they didn't give Vientos a shot right away, sure - but he's here now, isn't he?

This team stinks right now because Diaz is back to being a headcase with physical maladies that may or may not exist. Their 5 or 6 highest paid players generally comparative to their contract value, and expectations altogether, have just all have sucked tremendously.

I put this entirely right now on the players - it's on them and put the metrics aside - really there's something going on off the field or that needs some shaman magic to resolve but I think it exists between the guys like Alonso/McNeil who came up here and the guys brought in on big deals. I think you are going to see McNeil and Alonso jettisoned but probably stuck with Lindor and Stearns has to find ways to quasi build a new core with him as part of it with Alvarez and other prospects.

RE: RE: And Stearns needs to show some kind of pulse that he can  
Eric on Li : 5/30/2024 10:18 am : link
In comment 16527248 Sammo85 said:
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I think it exists between the guys like Alonso/McNeil who came up here and the guys brought in on big deals.


i think they are in different situations but i do agree that there is probably some form of a rift along these lines.

this is just a theory to try to unify some of the weird problems across so many different leaderships since 2021, but i think there was a natural jealousy that probably emerged between homegrown players who werent paid (and all hired Boras) and guys cohen was bringing in and handing record deals to.

it is a natural human emotion to want "theirs" but the problem is many misjudged themselves. started with conforto who turned down a rumored 100m+ offer from mets. then played poorly in a contract year and ultimately got less. and now we have pete doing the same thing after 2+ years of rumored extension discussions he passed on.

mcneil actually took the reasonable extension off his batting title year, i think his problems are more wear/tear and maybe personality related. he seems to not handle struggling well.

i think nimmo and lindor were good extensions but created a false hope that everyone was going to get paid top dollar when that's just not realistic. and while both are comfortably all star level players neither has risen to the mvp level of a judge/soto. if alonso truly cared about winning as much as he says he would have quietly signed a deal along the lines of what olsen got. imo that in part is why braves are braves and mets are mets. they have chosen guys who care more about focusing on baseball without distractions even if it costs them a little $.

alonso/boras wanted to (and have) portrayed him as the met version of judge, but when it came time to do what judge did in his walk year he obviously hasnt done that.
One question about the Lopez blow-up,  
Section331 : 5/30/2024 10:42 am : link
when discussing his “the worst in MLB” comment, he was asked if he was referring to the team, or a teammate, and he said “both”. Any idea what teammate he was referring to?
RE: One question about the Lopez blow-up,  
Eric on Li : 5/30/2024 10:44 am : link
In comment 16527379 Section331 said:
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when discussing his “the worst in MLB” comment, he was asked if he was referring to the team, or a teammate, and he said “both”. Any idea what teammate he was referring to?


he was referring to himself. that he looked like the worst teammate in mlb for getting himself thrown out.

what he said was honest and not wrong, sny did a shit job portraying it when he didnt have a translator with him and was clearly not communicating his thoughts the clearest.
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