NFT: Mets Minor League Thread (June)

but the mlb roster could use him.

dan who can we think of in mlb that profiled similarly to morabito? 21 at A+, athletic, and just keeps hitting. have seen him make some good catches in CF and some good throws from RF.

at the link below stearns talks about double promotions in the same season as uncommon but that they are looking to challenge their prospects at levels where they struggle and have to adjust, gotta think AA is on the table for Morabito this year if he continues playing well. an OF version of masyn wynn or gimenez? less power mcneil maybe?
David Stearns Talks Baty, Christian Scott and His Opinion on Mets Prospects | Meet at the Apple Pod - ( New Window )

J-Rod 0/1 K, Ewing 0/1, BB, K, Henriquez (OB machine .469 coming into today) 2 walks, Zitella 0/2 #Mets

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but the mlb roster could use him. dan who can we think of in mlb that profiled similarly to morabito? 21 at A+, athletic, and just keeps hitting. have seen him make some good catches in CF and some good throws from RF. at the link below stearns talks about double promotions in the same season as uncommon but that they are looking to challenge their prospects at levels where they struggle and have to adjust, gotta think AA is on the table for Morabito this year if he continues playing well. an OF version of masyn wynn or gimenez? less power mcneil maybe? David Stearns Talks Baty, Christian Scott and His Opinion on Mets Prospects | Meet at the Apple Pod - ( New Window )

Keith Law thinks Morabito thinks Morabito has 20/30 upside vs. Longerhagen who doesn't think he's even a 4th OFer lol a couple of months ago somebody I spoke to felt his ceiling was a Bader type. Bader career .313/.393/.466 at Florida and then .302/.364/.502 in A ball.

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Suarez

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Thornton

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Chirinos

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In comment 16528646 Eric on Li said: Quote: but the mlb roster could use him. dan who can we think of in mlb that profiled similarly to morabito? 21 at A+, athletic, and just keeps hitting. have seen him make some good catches in CF and some good throws from RF. at the link below stearns talks about double promotions in the same season as uncommon but that they are looking to challenge their prospects at levels where they struggle and have to adjust, gotta think AA is on the table for Morabito this year if he continues playing well. an OF version of masyn wynn or gimenez? less power mcneil maybe? David Stearns Talks Baty, Christian Scott and His Opinion on Mets Prospects | Meet at the Apple Pod - ( New Window ) Keith Law thinks Morabito thinks Morabito has 20/30 upside vs. Longerhagen who doesn't think he's even a 4th OFer lol a couple of months ago somebody I spoke to felt his ceiling was a Bader type. Bader career .313/.393/.466 at Florida and then .302/.364/.502 in A ball.

admittedly ive only watched a few highlights but he didnt glide in CF the way a bader does. a bader glove is almost an automatic 10 year big leaguer.

20/30 would be unreal, that's peak mcneil. i can see a little bit of that in morabito, especially since it seems like he is not an exit velo guy (which may be one of the reasons why logenhagen is down on him).

someone with good data access should do a study on guys like araez/mcneil who have extreme low EV but square up everything. if i were a GM those are the kinds of fall through cracks players id try to take chances on with non-premium picks.

Morabito was the thor comp pick, would be nice if he ends up helping that legacy.

is new to CF to be fair to him (Bader is GG caliber out there) so I'm not saying he'll ever be as good but Morabito played mostly SS in HS

J-Rod with a single and a SB (his 8th) #Mets

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is new to CF to be fair to him (Bader is GG caliber out there) so I'm not saying he'll ever be as good but Morabito played mostly SS in HS

i may be trying to overprotect from getting over skis like mangum. but obviously he was a lot older and i think basically a senior sign, so probably should have been more wary. morabito got a 1m bonus slightly over slot so totally different category of player.

suspect Morabito is more of a 4th OF than somebody to get incredibly "excited" over but Mangum (as you noted) was 23 his draft season and had real questions about how his bat would translate.

Elian Soto (brother of Yankees superstar Juan Soto) who reportedly had an agreement with @mets only to sign with the Nationals is now 20/117 with 51 k's to begin his pro career #Mets

Yonatan Henriquez 278 career ab's 67 walks 70 k's #Mets

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Elian Soto (brother of Yankees superstar Juan Soto) who reportedly had an agreement with @mets only to sign with the Nationals is now 20/117 with 51 k's to begin his pro career #Mets

Ouch !!

The Baseball gods didn't like that 'double cross' too much, did they.

Reyes back swing hit the Bison’s catcher in the head pretty bad. Not sure of the status of the catcher.

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Reyes back swing hit the Bison’s catcher in the head pretty bad. Not sure of the status of the catcher.

Update this morning was he's alert and "properly responsive". Sounds like he'll be okay. Here is the video
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Here are the links to the previous two months:


NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am

NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm

Brayhans Barreto (already 23 in the FCL) but has struck out 20 over 14 innings walking only 5 #Mets

In comment 16528674 DanMetroMan said:

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suspect Morabito is more of a 4th OF than somebody to get incredibly "excited" over but Mangum (as you noted) was 23 his draft season and had real questions about how his bat would translate.

yeah i bought in a little too hard thinking the glove would have him as a 4th of, and probably had a little too much late bloomer/mcneil optimism.

there are really very few truly elite glove carry tools. Pache was a top top glove prospect and he has only barely hung on with it as 4th OF.

0-3 today,
was 1-3 with walk yesterday,
was 0-4 thursday,
was 1-3 with walk wednesday,

add that up and it's 2 for last 13.

silver lining? he is still making a lot of hard contact. of those 13 at bats:

2x singles (1 was 86 mph, 1 96 mph)
4x 100+ mph outs
5x medium contact (80+ mph)

just 1 strike out and just 1 weak pop out.

First professional HR yesterday.

Domination tonight.


7 IP 1 H 0 R 1 BB 10 K. Clocked at over 100.

Mets opening day today

Thomas Nestico
@TJStats
Brandon Sproat registered a career high 10 K in 7.0 Shutout IP, allowing just 1 H & 1 BB

Sproat registered 38.6 CSW% along with a ludicrous 49.0 Whiff% (24 whiffs)

He now has a 1.23 ERA and 32.1 K% in 51.1 IP across A+ and AA

He is a Top 100 Prospect!

Lists the Mets as one of 6 clear sellers at the deadline

Sign Jonathan Pintaro
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Lists the Mets as one of 6 clear sellers at the deadline

wow, shocked he'd put himself out there like that. They have the 6th worst record in MLB and 3rd worst in the NL.

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Thomas Nestico @TJStats Brandon Sproat registered a career high 10 K in 7.0 Shutout IP, allowing just 1 H & 1 BB Sproat registered 38.6 CSW% along with a ludicrous 49.0 Whiff% (24 whiffs) He now has a 1.23 ERA and 32.1 K% in 51.1 IP across A+ and AA He is a Top 100 Prospect!

sproat vs tidwell vs tong vs scott, how do you rank them as prospects?

insane that in 1 year all 4 are worthy of top 100 conversation.

(i know scott is already big league tested, but let's pretend he isnt for this and just go by his prospect resume vs the others, it seems like even forgetting what he's done at big league level this is a competitive ranking?)

sproat and tidwell specifically are hard for me to decouple since they were drafted so close to each other (twice in sproats case) but i think im partial to going with the guy throwing 100+ despite blade tidwell being an 80 grade name.

he and sproat both also went over 100 ips in 2023 - which is a nice bonus.

Tong but I'm not sure he even belongs in the conversation with the others. He's all about projection. His "now" velocity is 92-94 (yes, with excellent pitch shape, ride etc) but 92-94 is still a "mediocre" enough velocity in today's game that it's a whole lot of "let's see vs. better hitters".

He's also walked 18 over 40 innings this season (13 over 21.2 innings in Brooklyn. This sounds like I'm being Debbie Downer but I'm really not, I'm just saying he's closer to an exciting "project" than a guy who one could even confidently say "he's going to be a big leaguer" which Scott, Sproat, Tidwell are near 100% locks to be (barring injury).

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Tong but I'm not sure he even belongs in the conversation with the others. He's all about projection. His "now" velocity is 92-94 (yes, with excellent pitch shape, ride etc) but 92-94 is still a "mediocre" enough velocity in today's game that it's a whole lot of "let's see vs. better hitters". He's also walked 18 over 40 innings this season (13 over 21.2 innings in Brooklyn. This sounds like I'm being Debbie Downer but I'm really not, I'm just saying he's closer to an exciting "project" than a guy who one could even confidently say "he's going to be a big leaguer" which Scott, Sproat, Tidwell are near 100% locks to be (barring injury).

Fangraphs rankings were all over the place but the scouting report is still pretty much on point vs. everything I've heard from people I know

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Tong presented an interesting pre-draft dichotomy. He was an old-for-the-class high schooler who was also very skinny and arguably more projectable than a lot of pitchers younger than him. His velocity also grew considerably in the year leading up to the draft, with Tong often working in the 91-95 mph range for the Langley Blaze (a select team of Canadian high schoolers who play all over the U.S. during the spring) and in the 2022 MLB Draft League. It took just a quarter of a million to keep him from a North Dakota State commitment. After he barely pitched in 2023, Tong started 2024 with a dominant stretch and was quickly promoted to High-A. He’s throwing a bit harder this year, touching 96 and sitting 92-95 after he averaged 92 mph in 2023. Tong’s fastball has plus-plus vertical ride and pure north/south shape with the tiniest bit of cut. It’s an impact fastball that is going to miss bats at the top of the zone. The rest of Tong’s repertoire is still in flux. He used a slow curveball as his primary offspeed weapon until this year when he’s incorporated a slider, which is still very much a work in progress. It can be tough to turn over a changeup from Tong’s vertical arm slot, so it’s pretty important for that slider to progress. This is definitely an arrow-up prospect in the Mets system but you still have to project quite a bit to see the components of a big league starter here, and the frail-looking Tong needs to show he can sustain this level of velocity across a starter’s load of innings. At this juncture, his best role looks like more of a long reliever, as it would give Tong a better chance to sustain this arm strength and lean heavily on his lone impact pitch once through the order.

Orange OD lineup.
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also just realized tidwell is the youngest of the 3 at 22,
sproat second youngest at 23,
scott 24 but turning 25 in 2 weeks.

for pitchers im not sure it matters since we know odds of getting to 2nd contract aren't great and if they get there they can keep pitching usually into early/mid-30s. but still i guess somewhat notable from a prior experience standpoint.

has the most upside, Tidwell the most RP risk. Scott probably has the least impressive pure "stuff" but the highest level "pitcher" of the group. If I had to bet on one surpassing expectations or their own stuff it would be Scott, if I had to bet on one becoming more than a #3 type it would be Sproat because when he's on, his stuff is MLB #2 SP level good. I like Tidwell the least of the 3 but that's largely due to the fact his FB velocity is good/very good, it doesn't "play up". 2024 49 innings 49 k's. Long story short I'd still go

Scott
Sproat
Tidwell

If I were playing it safe, if not
Sproat
Scott
Tidwell

isn't particularly relevant to me when it comes to players without knowing "why" they are that age. If it's because they were in the minors for X long that's one thing. Christian Scott made 9 career starts coming into 2023. He missed 2020 (the COVID year) and partially due to injury but also due to being older when he was drafted had thrown 58 innings as a pro before age 24.

He and Tidwell have thrown nearly identical # of minor league innings, Tidwell probably sees Queens this year but that's not a lock, first 2 starts in AAA (are just that) but wouldn't suggest he's very close.

are high on DSL arm Leyvi Rodriguez.

Speaking strictly for myself, I would rank 'em as follows:


1 -- Scott because he's got a few innings of Big League experience. He's started a few games, the numbers don't look all that good....but he's hanging in there. Good size at 6' 4'' and 215.

2 -- Brandon Sproat. He's putting up good innings at AA. He's thrown 51 innings with a 1.23 ERA and he's carrying 0.94 WHIP. Another big kid at 6' 3" 215.

3 -- Blade Tidwell is doing it at the AAA level. He got jobbed out of a Win in his last start when the BP blew the lead. He's got a 1.54 ERA but he walks too many and this is the ABS League. Another big kid. And his cool first name is worth a few style points.

I've only followed the AAA and AA teams, the lower levels are too far away for me. But to have 3 big guns in the high minors is pretty dam good.

Rodriguez first career ab (video) pops out
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first professional AB, a HR
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Promoted to St Lucie.

Well earned promotion for A.J. Ewing. He was 6th in the FCL in OPS, 15th in wRC+, 5th in BB% and tied for the league lead in HR's with 5 #Mets

Justin Ramirez with his second walk of the game. He had a solid 2023 season (103 wRC+) but @mets opted to have him repeat the DSL. I could see him putting up a huge slash line this season. I know @bkfan09 is a big believer of his #Mets

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Removed due to injury, unbelievable lol

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In comment 16529820 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Rodriguez first career ab (video) pops out Link - ( New Window ) Removed due to injury, unbelievable lol

Fouled a ball of his leg

DSL Mets🔵win! 2-0. Adderley 1-3, HR, Mella 1-2, BB, Garcia 1-2, BB, Rodriguez 0-3, 2 k's (left the game due to injury), Ramirez 0-1, 2 BB,Crespo 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 2 k's, Cadiz 3 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 2 k's, Mijares 2 innings 2 hits 0 runs 0 walks 2 k's #Mets

Lugo (he along with Hurtado the top 2023 arms they signed) to debut on Thursday.

Pete Alonso is more Mercedes-Benz than Rolls-Royce these days, as I’m pretty convinced his best days are already behind him at age 29. He has a 121 wRC+ since the beginning of last season, down from 137 he posted over his first four years. A righty first base-only is a risky proposition in free agency, and his lack of positional flexibility will dampen his trade value as well. He’s undoubtedly an impact bat who lengthens any lineup, and despite his dip in production, he’s still one of the game’s great home run hitters. The thing is, he’s no longer in that upper echelon of dangerous, all-around hitters.

For that reason, along with the fact that he’s on an expiring contract, the Mets shouldn’t expect a package of multiple top prospects for him. I think he’ll get a return closer to the one the Orioles got for Trey Mancini two deadlines ago. The Mets could, of course, make a trade more enticing by paying down some of Alonso’s salary. As it stands, whichever team acquires him will have to pay about $6.8 million for the remainder of the season.
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Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
Francisco Alvarez (recovery from thumb surgery) will not join the Mets in London. They're hopeful he can return from the IL on their ensuing homestand that begins June 11.

Yovanny Rodriguez, C, Mets

There are several promising Venezuelan catchers to watch this year in the DSL—see our story on potential breakout prospects for others—but right now the top catching prospect in the league is Rodriguez, who got $2.85 million. There are two-way skills here with Rodriguez, an advanced catch-and-throw guy for his age with a plus arm, a quick release and soft hands as a receiver. At the plate, Rodriguez has shown a mix of plate discipline and power that’s advanced for his age.

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Lugo (he along with Hurtado the top 2023 arms they signed) to debut on Thursday.

Video of Lugo
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Pete Alonso is more Mercedes-Benz than Rolls-Royce these days, as I’m pretty convinced his best days are already behind him at age 29. He has a 121 wRC+ since the beginning of last season, down from 137 he posted over his first four years. A righty first base-only is a risky proposition in free agency, and his lack of positional flexibility will dampen his trade value as well. He’s undoubtedly an impact bat who lengthens any lineup, and despite his dip in production, he’s still one of the game’s great home run hitters. The thing is, he’s no longer in that upper echelon of dangerous, all-around hitters. For that reason, along with the fact that he’s on an expiring contract, the Mets shouldn’t expect a package of multiple top prospects for him. I think he’ll get a return closer to the one the Orioles got for Trey Mancini two deadlines ago. The Mets could, of course, make a trade more enticing by paying down some of Alonso’s salary. As it stands, whichever team acquires him will have to pay about $6.8 million for the remainder of the season. Link - ( New Window )

this is why i think the odds of a trade are low. 3 recent met picks right in the range of the 4th rd QO comp pick were i think tong, ewing, and scott. low isn't impossible and maybe someone puts a really good package on the table that's meaningfully better than rolling the dice on the QO, but id say it's probably unlikely.

unless they just want to move on and have no interest in bringing him back at all, i think the move is to take a run at alonso for an extension during the ASB. id offer something like the 3x80m gtd bellinger got, and maybe dress it up with some easy to reach vesting years.

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@SyracuseMets
TBD
@RumblePoniesBB
Nolan McLean
@BKCyclones
Dakota Hawkins
@stluciemets
Ernesto Mercedes
@FCLMets
TBD
DSL Mets Blue TBD
DSL Mets Orange TBD #Mets

In comment 16530100 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16530040 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Pete Alonso is more Mercedes-Benz than Rolls-Royce these days, as I’m pretty convinced his best days are already behind him at age 29. He has a 121 wRC+ since the beginning of last season, down from 137 he posted over his first four years. A righty first base-only is a risky proposition in free agency, and his lack of positional flexibility will dampen his trade value as well. He’s undoubtedly an impact bat who lengthens any lineup, and despite his dip in production, he’s still one of the game’s great home run hitters. The thing is, he’s no longer in that upper echelon of dangerous, all-around hitters. For that reason, along with the fact that he’s on an expiring contract, the Mets shouldn’t expect a package of multiple top prospects for him. I think he’ll get a return closer to the one the Orioles got for Trey Mancini two deadlines ago. The Mets could, of course, make a trade more enticing by paying down some of Alonso’s salary. As it stands, whichever team acquires him will have to pay about $6.8 million for the remainder of the season. Link - ( New Window ) this is why i think the odds of a trade are low. 3 recent met picks right in the range of the 4th rd QO comp pick were i think tong, ewing, and scott. low isn't impossible and maybe someone puts a really good package on the table that's meaningfully better than rolling the dice on the QO, but id say it's probably unlikely. unless they just want to move on and have no interest in bringing him back at all, i think the move is to take a run at alonso for an extension during the ASB. id offer something like the 3x80m gtd bellinger got, and maybe dress it up with some easy to reach vesting years.

I'm not sure that trading him precludes the ability of the Mets to sign him. It's clear it's very unlikely he signs before hitting UFA, especially given him diminished value currently. IMO, it's also clear he's going to the high bidder. Do we think he'll take less money from other team if Mets are top bidder just because Mets dealt him to SEA for 2 months? I doubt it, if anything, he'll be appreciative not to have the QO to deal with.

I think best path forward is to hold on for another 4-5 weeks, see if he gets really hot and raises his value (and maybe if Mets can make an unlikely run for WC3) and move him for the best offer unless he slumps so bad that it's not worth dealing him.

the highest bidder is given the way last offseason went for bellinger ($80m), chapman ($54m), jdm ($9m), hoskins ($22m). All Boras clients. 1 year ago Eppler offered him a bigger extension than what all those guys got combined.

so i think the bigger question is what are mets willing to offer him early? because almost anything 3 years or longer i think there's a good chance he'd take.

the idea of trading him and then signing him back seems unlikely to me. keeping him and giving him a QO will make it easier to resign him and make him less attractive on the open market to other teams.

so if you are trading him you need to be comfortable that he is probably gone for good because if a team is giving up a good return for him that's way beyond what a QO will bring them, they are likely planning to try to extend him.

So Yovanny is on Orange and Daiverson is on Blue?

that Alonso accepts the QO?

If you trust FG value estimates, most years of his career the QO would be lower than the value he creates so it would be fine if he accepted it, but he is not projected to be worth it so far this year. Of course he could heat up, but as of right now I'd rather trade him (even for an underwhelming return) than offer the QO and risk he accepts it. but I guess that wouldn't be the worst thing either since it's not long-term.

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So Yovanny is on Orange and Daiverson is on Blue?

Correct

Interesting pro debut for RHP Jose Guevara. 2.2 innings 3 hits 3 runs 2 walks 6 k's. Guevara (an older signing) signed with the Mets in September and turned 19 in March #Mets

Vladi Guerrero (son of Vlad) strikes out swinging to begin his pro career #Mets

a potential trade partner for the Mets on paper

Simon Juan homers, his 4th, OPS back up to .839. Juan came into 2024 with 4 total homers in his career (93 games) #Mets

Daviel Hurtado records 3 outs in the first, then loads the bases in the second and his day is done. All 3 runners are his responsibility

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that Alonso accepts the QO? If you trust FG value estimates, most years of his career the QO would be lower than the value he creates so it would be fine if he accepted it, but he is not projected to be worth it so far this year. Of course he could heat up, but as of right now I'd rather trade him (even for an underwhelming return) than offer the QO and risk he accepts it. but I guess that wouldn't be the worst thing either since it's not long-term.

he'd make basically the same amount he is making this year on QO. unless he tanks somehow i doubt he accepts. 3 wins via FA = $24-27m (last year he was 2.9 which was his worst season though this year he's trending under that, albeit he currently has the same 121 wrc).

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Vladi Guerrero (son of Vlad) strikes out swinging to begin his pro career #Mets

Doesn't he have a son named Vladimir on the Blue Jays? he has a son named Vladi and Vladimir?

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a potential trade partner for the Mets on paper

They have a huge need at 1B and Mets could maybe package Alonso and a starter to go over there for a nice return. Problem is that they have a similar record to our Mets (although about 30 runs better in run differential), so they really need to get hot soon to be true buyers at the deadline.

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In comment 16530437 DanMetroMan said: Quote: a potential trade partner for the Mets on paper They have a huge need at 1B and Mets could maybe package Alonso and a starter to go over there for a nice return. Problem is that they have a similar record to our Mets (although about 30 runs better in run differential), so they really need to get hot soon to be true buyers at the deadline.

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The upcoming few weeks could offer that opportunity. Houston has series against the Angels, White Sox, Rockies and Mets in June. They also have two more against St. Louis and three games apiece with the Giants, Tigers and Orioles. Asked whether a poor performance over the next six to eight weeks could force the Astros to sell, Brown said the team “would have to really fall apart” to change direction. “The pitching would have to be struggling. The hitters would have to be struggling. If there’s any sign of hope, I can’t see us doing it,” he added. To that end, Brown said the front office would like to bring in another bat, preferably a left-handed hitter. Houston is down to Kyle Tucker, Yordan Alvarez and Jon Singleton as lefty hitters on the MLB roster. Backup catcher Victor Caratini is a switch-hitter, while lefty-swinging rookie Joey Loperfido was optioned to Triple-A when José Abreu returned to the MLB roster last week.

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In comment 16530435 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Vladi Guerrero (son of Vlad) strikes out swinging to begin his pro career #Mets Doesn't he have a son named Vladimir on the Blue Jays? he has a son named Vladi and Vladimir?

Yes. Vladimir Guerrero Ramos Jr. and Vladi Guerrero

Another pitching injury... Zach Thornton to the 7 day IL, Diego Mosquera to the development list

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a potential trade partner for the Mets on paper

what do you like from houston better than what the QO (plus the benefit of using QO to help a negotiation) could return? Hunter Brown appears to be getting lit up but i remember hoping for him last year for JV.

i know guys like tong/scott are sort of best case draft picks but ewing seems like a solid (vargas-ish level?) prospect too. their top prospect melton seems like a solid but unexciting get (kiley comps him to reddick below) but id imagine they may not do that since their system is pretty shallow (kiley had their system 27th preseason with Melton their only top 100).

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Age: 23 | Bats: Left | Throws: Left Type: Power/speed sleeper in the 2022 draft has turned the corner into likely good big leaguer Melton was a secondary pick to click in the 2022 draft who was No. 26 in my final pre-draft rankings, but he lasted until the 64th pick and signed for a bit below slot. The concerns were clear when he came out of Oregon State: His swing needed work, he didn't face top-notch competition and he might not be a center fielder. He's still iffy in center field despite plus speed but his plus raw power is showing up in games (23 homers in 2023), his speed is showing up on the bases (46 stolen bases) and he's hitting enough to let it all work (.245/.334/.467 line). I think a median projection is something like Josh Reddick (a lefty, power-over-hit corner outfielder with some defensive value), who posted 20 career WAR while never stealing more than 11 bases in a season.

mets system is deep enough right now i think id either be looking for high end arm talent or low level big upside j-rods. depth players without loud tools just seem like a waste, id rather have the draft picks where they can pick upside players and start stocking the lower levels for the future as the acunas/jett/clifford/gilbert types rise/graduate.

On Cleveland is intriguing. Putting up huge K rates in Low and 2 starts in high A. I don't see much buzz about him though and coming into the year BA and Pipeline didn't even have him in team top 30. Season ERA at both levels 1.5 also.

Matthews, Luis Baez, Mets went back and forth on Loperfido vs. Clifford so presumably he'd still be on their radar,Dezenzo, Camilo Diaz has star level upside (and major risk). Keep in mind, if ANYBODY knows sleepers in the Astros system it's the Mets.... Kris Gross.

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On Cleveland is intriguing. Putting up huge K rates in Low and 2 starts in high A. I don't see much buzz about him though and coming into the year BA and Pipeline didn't even have him in team top 30. Season ERA at both levels 1.5 also.

He's arguably been THE story SP wise in the minors. 6'1 280, Tugboat Wilkinson. Scouts aren't huge on his pure stuff but so far the results have been ridiculous. 50.1 innings 87 k's

final line 1 inning 1 hit 2 runs 2 walks

DSL Mets Blue had a hit to leadoff the game, they have no hits since that time (top 6) #Mets

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Matthews, Luis Baez, Mets went back and forth on Loperfido vs. Clifford so presumably he'd still be on their radar,Dezenzo, Camilo Diaz has star level upside (and major risk). Keep in mind, if ANYBODY knows sleepers in the Astros system it's the Mets.... Kris Gross.

really good point about gross. quick takes on the guys you mentioned (looking up most for first time):

Matthews - sounds exciting, i want "exciting" athletes so id be good with him as a headliner.

baez - kind of meh, i like guys who light up trackman and i guess you can never have enough power corners, but those arent hard to just pay for in FA.

loperfido - remember him from last year, still sort of feel the same way about him unless something has changed, seems higher floor/lower ceiling role player type. dont like the k-rate. don't feel like we need another somewhat flawed young guy to have to try to develop now either since next year's roster probably features at least 3 young regulars and maybe as many as 5 or 6.

diaz is interesting. that is the type of player id be more excited to roll dice on than upper level if you have someone like gross who knows/likes him.

thank u as usual dmm, if they could get a matthews + diaz package that's the type of deal id be pretty excited about and view as sufficiently more than the QO return.

nothing that notable for mets, jett is 27 but obviously nothing new since he's been injured, acuna still #34 despite struggling since coming from tex maybe a little surprising.

and Diaz both have their own "risks" but Matthews was a 2 sport guy, posted high end EV and has plus speed. 20/20 upside. Diaz is hyper risky (as any recent IFA is) but has potential star upside as a SS/2b. Both would be 2 of the better athlete/higher upside players in the Mets system.

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and Diaz both have their own "risks" but Matthews was a 2 sport guy, posted high end EV and has plus speed. 20/20 upside. Diaz is hyper risky (as any recent IFA is) but has potential star upside as a SS/2b. Both would be 2 of the better athlete/higher upside players in the Mets system.

strategically i think that's the best way to add to the system right now.

next year they are likely to be carrying at least 3 of alvarez, vientos, baty, mauricio. that's maybe 1/3 of the every day lineup, before accounting for acuna, gilbert, jett, whoever.

on the pitching side it may be even more glaring. scott, tidwell, butto, peterson, megill, vasil, sproat, etc. if there are 3 homegrown players in the rotation, that's more than half of it.

and realistically nobody is trading upper minors players with higher upsides than those groups for rentals.

so id argue it's more important for sustainability to fully stock the minors behind that wave of players so there is depth 2-3 years down the road.

so i am looking to add as many j-rod, vargas types as i can in the 17/18 year old group as opposed to 23-25 year old AA/AAA guys who are higher floor and lower ceiling. bonus babies and top tier athletes. that's what im looking for.

to Texas for a package centered around Walcott would be very, very interesting. Walcott has struggled greatly this season (90 wRC+) BUT the kid just turned 18. He's only a few months older than J-Rod and playing in A+. 15.9 BB%. "Star" upside and Texas (looking to repeat) is 4.5 behind Seattle for 1st place with a combined 95 wRC+ from their 1b, 72 from their DH. Maybe you send them both Alonso and Marte (heavily paid down) in a deal for Walcott (who will likely never play a game with most of their core. Alonso the Rangers 1B, Marte part time DH.

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DSL- Y-Rod 0-3, BB, K, Adderley 2-4, 2 SB, K, Ramirez 0-1, 2 BB, Solano 2-4, K, Garcia 1-3, BB, K, Rincon 1-4, 3b, SB, K, Guiterrez 1-3, 2b, Vladi Guerrero 0-3, 2 k's #Mets

"The Padres have recently shown strong interest in left-hander Garrett Crochet, according to sources briefed on the White Sox’s discussions. San Diego’s need for starting pitching grew last week when Joe Musgrove and Yu Darvish landed on the injured list for the second time this season, and president of baseball operations A.J. Preller already has demonstrated unusual urgency this season by acquiring Cease from the White Sox during spring training and Luis Arraez from the Miami Marlins early last month. However, those trades also thinned a farm system that might no longer hold the same appeal for a club in the White Sox’s position."


Could be a spot for Severino or Manaea

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@NYPost_Mets
Edwin Diaz threw a bullpen today, and could pitch in a minor league game Thursday.

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Mike Puma @NYPost_Mets Edwin Diaz threw a bullpen today, and could pitch in a minor league game Thursday.

Giving him some time in the minors to be hopefully dominant and regain confidence might be the best thing for him.

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went 1 for 3 with a walk. do we think they sent him to BKL just to keep him in close proximity to the big club? BNG was playing @ bay sox in MA today, CUSE playing in MN.

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went 1 for 3 with a walk. do we think they sent him to BKL just to keep him in close proximity to the big club? BNG was playing @ bay sox in MA today, CUSE playing in MN.

Caught a combined no hitter as well. Yeah I think they just wanted him in NY.

back in the BK lineup this morning (hitting 2nd and DHing).

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DSL Mets both TBD #Mets

In comment 16530857 Eric on Li said:

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went 1 for 3 with a walk. do we think they sent him to BKL just to keep him in close proximity to the big club? BNG was playing @ bay sox in MA today, CUSE playing in MN.

Bay Sox are in MD.

In comment 16531093 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 16530857 Eric on Li said: Quote: went 1 for 3 with a walk. do we think they sent him to BKL just to keep him in close proximity to the big club? BNG was playing @ bay sox in MA today, CUSE playing in MN. Bay Sox are in MD.

same difference, road game not in NY. why send him down a level if not to keep him in NY, presumably bc they are considering putting him on a plane to London?

maybe not unrelated, but seems like having a 3rd catcher and extra power bat wouldn't be the worst use of an extra spot for a game abroad since the P staff should be rested with the travel days:

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reported it won't be Alvarez, unless something has changed he's not going to London but could be back as soon as they return. Mendoza also said Alvarez wouldn't be back until the next homestand.

Looks like SYR was rained out in Minn.....Doubleheader on Thursday. I'm curious to see how C Scott does tonight.

Nolan McLean had two bad innings for vs Bay Sox last night, but still gave Bing 5 innings with 8 K's. Learning experience.

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reported it won't be Alvarez, unless something has changed he's not going to London but could be back as soon as they return. Mendoza also said Alvarez wouldn't be back until the next homestand.

missed that, wonder why they changed his rehab venue then? maybe just a convenience thing for the player since he presumably lives somewhere nearby and gives him less travel during the season?

BA just updated their top 100 and now sproat/tidwell both in there. think the other 4 are jett, acuna, gilbert, jrod?

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New Mets additions to
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94. RHP Blade Tidwell
97. RHP Brandon Sproat

The Mets have 6 of their updated top 100

In comment 16531117 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16531105 DanMetroMan said: Quote: reported it won't be Alvarez, unless something has changed he's not going to London but could be back as soon as they return. Mendoza also said Alvarez wouldn't be back until the next homestand. missed that, wonder why they changed his rehab venue then? maybe just a convenience thing for the player since he presumably lives somewhere nearby and gives him less travel during the season? BA just updated their top 100 and now sproat/tidwell both in there. think the other 4 are jett, acuna, gilbert, jrod? Joe DeMayo @PSLToFlushing · 2m New Mets additions to @BaseballAmerica ‘s top 100 prospects: 94. RHP Blade Tidwell 97. RHP Brandon Sproat The Mets have 6 of their updated top 100

J-Rod didn't make the list. Scott, Jett, Acuna, Gilbert, Tidwell, Sproat

should read Scott, Williams, Gilbert, Mauricio, Tidwell, Sproat

No Acuna

like Acuna has never cracked BA's top 100 list

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should read Scott, Williams, Gilbert, Mauricio, Tidwell, Sproat No Acuna

duh forgot scott, that's interesting they still have mauricio over acuna.

hadnt thought about that but despite the injury if i had to choose between 1 of them to include in a trade, that's a tough call. mauricio obviously has the much louder bat so i think i would be a little more hesitant to move him.

Acuna wasn't on the list to be dropped off. Williams, Mauricio and Gilbert were the only Mets to make the list to begin the year.

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The Astros announced that both Cristian Javier and José Urquidy are undergoing "elbow surgery" and are out for the remainder of the season. Urquidy is having his today. Javier, as reported yesterday, will have his on Thursday.

and have little drop off in their actual rotation by just calling up Butto (who is already better than Quintana IMO) and Williams at the deadline.

Any chance J-Rod sees Brooklyn this year?

Best Mets prospects not on the list (each of whom can get o the top 100 with a very strong rest of the season) would be:

J-Rod
Acuna
Mclean
Clifford

Anyone really notable and obvious that I'm missing?

don't see any realistic way Acuna or Clifford are going to crack the top 100. Acuna didn't make it pre-trade when he was really hitting, and Clifford has never made it and is really struggling (bat only prospect). It would be pretty stunning for either one to suddenly change BA's collective "minds". Those who could make the end of the season list to me


Gilbert, Williams, Sproat, Tidwell, Jeremy Rodriguez, Mauricio, Scott will almost certainly graduate. Sleeper would probably be Jesus Baez. McLean has little to no shot given his likely extremely low innings limit and good but not "outstanding" numbers.

forgot Tong as a possibility.

McLean 42 innings in 2024, McLean 57.1 innings over his entire college career. He'll be lucky to throw 100 total innings this season and even that seems unlikely.

posted a 149 wRC+ over 54 games in A+ in 2022 (14.2% walk rate 8 homers, 28 steals, monster numbers) didn't make it.

So I really don't see any realistic scenario BA suddenly changes their tune. His wRC+ (good May and all) is now 68 with a 6.2% BB%

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to Texas for a package centered around Walcott would be very, very interesting. Walcott has struggled greatly this season (90 wRC+) BUT the kid just turned 18. He's only a few months older than J-Rod and playing in A+. 15.9 BB%. "Star" upside and Texas (looking to repeat) is 4.5 behind Seattle for 1st place with a combined 95 wRC+ from their 1b, 72 from their DH. Maybe you send them both Alonso and Marte (heavily paid down) in a deal for Walcott (who will likely never play a game with most of their core. Alonso the Rangers 1B, Marte part time DH.

Reranked to #51

Headshot of Sebastian Walcott
51. Sebastian Walcott
Texas Rangers
SS

Ht: 6'4" | Wt: 190 | B-T: R-R

Age: null
Opening Day Age: 18.1
ETA: 2026

The Skinny: A standout athlete with loud tools, Walcott possesses a high-end upside but the plate skills are a question mark. Walcott was aggressively assigned to High-A despite being over four years younger than the average player.

Scouting Grades Hit: 50 | Power: 60 | Run: 55 | Field: 45 | Arm: 60

read on Vientos
Link - ( New Window )

bat first player who has questions w/ the bat.

that said depending on how many graduations there are who knows. these lists always seem overly reactive to who is hot at the moment statistically and i think clifford was an honorable mention on their list preseason so he cant be too far off.

j-rod i think will be a top 100 once he starts performing at A ball. not so sure what they are waiting for with promoting him, but i guess the st lucie roster is pretty loaded with IFers (mcewing, vargas, baez, baro, houck). probably waiting for 1 of those guys to get promoted to brooklyn. baro and baez seem most likely for promotions and they are both playing 3b. houck has played majority at SS and he is not promotion ready. maybe they would let him and j-rod split SS/3b/dh once one or both of those guys move up? ewing had split cf/2b in FCL but played CF in his first game.

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read on Vientos Link - ( New Window )

but i had heard that swing decisions can never improve and he hit too many grounders!?!?!?!

ironically he has his highest GB rate including minors right now.

all the challenges he's faced. he got treated in a way where it was easy to speculate that they just didnt like him for some reason or that there was something wrong and by all accounts despite those set backs he worked hard, handled himself like a pro, and made small gains that have so far led to big results.

his 51 attempts at 3b so far are almost as many as he's had in any other stint in big leagues and he is still carrying +1 OAA. in 289 career innings at 3b i believe he is in totaly just -1 with just 3 errors.

Morabito and Alvarez both down on strikes, Cyclones go down 1-2-3 in the first. Jawilme Ramirez 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 1 k #Mets

does he like instantly get into top 5?

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does he like instantly get into top 5?

Don't see it. De Vries was considered a better prospect than Pena and he opened the season #99 on BA's list. Salas didn't crack the top 100 on his first list and he's arguably the top IFA signing in multiple years.

Scott out of the equation (almost certainly graduates)

Williams, Gilbert, Mauricio, Sproat, Tidwell + whomever the Mets take 1st round + Jeremy Rodriguez. Yeah, don't see any real scenario he's that high.

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Scott out of the equation (almost certainly graduates) Williams, Gilbert, Mauricio, Sproat, Tidwell + whomever the Mets take 1st round + Jeremy Rodriguez. Yeah, don't see any real scenario he's that high.

Baez going to be top 100 as well if he continues this especially with the metrics backing it up. Tong could be close but will depend how he continues to do.

Good to see Houck starting to come around the last 2 weeks.

in forever it feels like they have some tradable middle tier players like clifford, parada, ramirez, vasil, houck etc.

being too kind to Mike Vasil and his 7 FIP/7+ era combo lol

Clark walks, Nick Morabito singles but Alvarez grounds into a DP. 2-0 Aberdeen after 3 #Mets

J-Rod (GO), De Oleo (K) and Juan (K) go down 1-2-3 #Mets

Wilkins Ramos get promoted already? Half the year and no runs and a less than 1 ERA at AA between last year and this. If not can they at least get him in more situations. 17 IP so far this year no runs.

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being too kind to Mike Vasil and his 7 FIP/7+ era combo lol

probably in his case yes. need to send him back to AA lol.

Clark walks, Morabito collects his second hit of the game, Alvarez walks. Bases loaded 2 down #Mets

and Lopez released and the 27th man is indeed a catcher!....Joe Hudson lol

scratched, no word on the injury

Baro 0-3, K, Baez 0-2, Hernandez 2 walks, Ewing 0-2, Houck 1-2, Rosa 0-1 BB, Fanas 1-2, Diaz 4 no hit innings 0 runs 1 walk 5 k's #Mets

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and Lopez released and the 27th man is indeed a catcher!....Joe Hudson lol

Will Sammon
@WillSammon
The Mets’ 27th player for London will either be Joe Hudson or Brett Baty.

A.J. Ewing is 0/4 so far with @stluciemets
(1.5 games) but has already walked 3 times

to pitch for the Cyclones tomorrow.

We'll be doing one each month for the rest of the season. It'll be easier to consolidate info this way and for everyone to be able to follow along any news and information centering around the big club's various affiliates.


NFT: Mets Minor League Thread (June) - DanMetroMan - 6/1/2024 10:45 am


*For reference purposes, here are the links for previous months as well:

NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm

NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am

It was meant for the series thread with the Nats.

0-3 with a walk but all 3 balls were put in play, 2 of them 94.5mph+.

his k-rate is down around 16% which is very good and that is usually highly correlative with batting average.

his babip right now is .290, which is a little low for a guy with his speed. need to see him keep getting that line drive rate up.

.@SyracuseMets Acuna 0-3, BB, Ritter 0-3, 2 k’s, Tidwell 0.2 innings 2 hits 4 runs 2 walks 1 K #Mets

AA
.@RumblePoniesBB
Rudick 1-5, 2 K’s, Ramirez 0-5 K (OPS now down to .648), Clifford 1-2 HR, 2 BB, K, Parada 1-3 K, Jarvis 2.1 innings 7 hits 6 runs 2 walks 3 k’s #Mets

BK

.@BKCyclones
Morabito 2-5, K, Alvarez 0-3, BB, K, Lorusso 0-3 BB, SB

St lucie

Baro 1-5 K
Baez 1-4
Hernandez 0-2 2 BB
Ewing 0-3 BB
Houck 1-4
Fanas 2-4, 3B, K
Diaz 4 innings 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 5 k’s #Mets

.@FCLMets
J-Rod 1-4, K
Juan 0-4 2 k’s
Zitella 2-3 BB
De Oleo 0-4 3 k’s
Zayas 0-3 BB #Mets

Is Vargas hurt yet again? I might have missed it.

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Is Vargas hurt yet again? I might have missed it.

Not on the IL but that’s my assumption when he hasn’t played in about 10 days

.@SyracuseMets TBD
@RumblePoniesBB Tyler Stuart
@BKCyclones Felipe De La Cruz
@stluciemets TBD
DSL Orange TBD
DSL Blue Wilmer Lugo (pro debut) #Mets

Gilbert, Reimer, Vargas have played 36 total games + Mauricio obviously 0 and Ziegler/Lavender done for the year.

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Gilbert, Reimer, Vargas have played 36 total games + Mauricio obviously 0 and Ziegler/Lavender done for the year.

i dont think people realize how odd it is to have 4 of the top 10 position players injured including the top 2 (maybe even top 3 depending on how anyone ranks acuna/mauricio/j-rod).

the fact that we are still excited by things being done by non-injured prospects is a massive testament to the newfound depth/strength of the system.

imagine if in 2022 mauricio, alvarez, baty, vientos were all hurt at the same time? the system had very little behind them.

In comment 16531859 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16531853 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Gilbert, Reimer, Vargas have played 36 total games + Mauricio obviously 0 and Ziegler/Lavender done for the year. i dont think people realize how odd it is to have 4 of the top 10 position players injured including the top 2 (maybe even top 3 depending on how anyone ranks acuna/mauricio/j-rod). the fact that we are still excited by things being done by non-injured prospects is a massive testament to the newfound depth/strength of the system. imagine if in 2022 mauricio, alvarez, baty, vientos were all hurt at the same time? the system had very little behind them.

To be 100% clear I wasn't doing some sort of Debbie Downer act, it was prompted by the mention of Vargas again being out.

Wilmer Lugo's first career inning did not go very well. 1 inning 3 hits 3 runs 1 walk 2 k's #Mets

Wilmer Lugo 2.2 innings 3 hits 3 runs 1 walk 4 k's 4 WP's

In comment 16531867 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 16531859 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 16531853 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Gilbert, Reimer, Vargas have played 36 total games + Mauricio obviously 0 and Ziegler/Lavender done for the year. i dont think people realize how odd it is to have 4 of the top 10 position players injured including the top 2 (maybe even top 3 depending on how anyone ranks acuna/mauricio/j-rod). the fact that we are still excited by things being done by non-injured prospects is a massive testament to the newfound depth/strength of the system. imagine if in 2022 mauricio, alvarez, baty, vientos were all hurt at the same time? the system had very little behind them. To be 100% clear I wasn't doing some sort of Debbie Downer act, it was prompted by the mention of Vargas again being out.

yep i didnt take your post that way.

was more an observation re the system. here is the jan 2022 top 12 amazin ave had, ginn got traded for bassitt, allan was hurt already, so if alvarez/baty/mauricio were all hurt, my god i mean i dont know what we would have done in minor league threads. it would have been vientos posts 24/7 and not just by me.

1. Francisco Alvarez

2. Brett Baty

3. Ronny Mauricio

4. Mark Vientos

5. Matthew Allan

6. J.T. Ginn

7. Khalil Lee

8. Nick Plummer

9. Alexander Ramirez

10. Jaylen Palmer

11. Hayden Senger

12. Calvin Ziegler

In comment 16531938 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16531867 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 16531859 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 16531853 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Gilbert, Reimer, Vargas have played 36 total games + Mauricio obviously 0 and Ziegler/Lavender done for the year. i dont think people realize how odd it is to have 4 of the top 10 position players injured including the top 2 (maybe even top 3 depending on how anyone ranks acuna/mauricio/j-rod). the fact that we are still excited by things being done by non-injured prospects is a massive testament to the newfound depth/strength of the system. imagine if in 2022 mauricio, alvarez, baty, vientos were all hurt at the same time? the system had very little behind them. To be 100% clear I wasn't doing some sort of Debbie Downer act, it was prompted by the mention of Vargas again being out. yep i didnt take your post that way. was more an observation re the system. here is the jan 2022 top 12 amazin ave had, ginn got traded for bassitt, allan was hurt already, so if alvarez/baty/mauricio were all hurt, my god i mean i dont know what we would have done in minor league threads. it would have been vientos posts 24/7 and not just by me. 1. Francisco Alvarez 2. Brett Baty 3. Ronny Mauricio 4. Mark Vientos 5. Matthew Allan 6. J.T. Ginn 7. Khalil Lee 8. Nick Plummer 9. Alexander Ramirez 10. Jaylen Palmer 11. Hayden Senger 12. Calvin Ziegler

Man that really is horrific. Hayden Senger top 12 wtf.

Bo knows baseball. Bohan Adderley with a single and his third steal. Adderley 4-9 on the season

@Mets have signed RHP Alfred Vega (formerly of @Yankees/Orioles organizations). Vega joins the @FCLMets. Vega is 23 years old #Mets

Maxgregori Harvey pro debut 1.2 innings 0 hits 0 runs 3 walks 2 k's #Mets

DSL- Adderley 2-3, SB, De Aza 2-3 (he's 16 until August), Mella 1-4, Mijares 1.2 innings 1 hit 1 run 2 walks 5 k's, Jimenez 4.1 innings 1 hit 1 run 2 walks 4 k's, 1/2
Harvey 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 4 walks 2 k's, Rodriguez 0-2, 2 BB, Gutierrez 0-2, BB, Lugo 2.2 innings 3 hits 3 runs 1 walk 4 k's 4 WP's, Verdu 3.1 innings 2 hits 0 runs 2 walks 4 k's

would Senger or Lee even be in the top 50 now?

Parada and Morabito weren't even in the FG 42. The farm has come a long way

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would Senger or Lee even be in the top 50 now? Parada and Morabito weren't even in the FG 42. The farm has come a long way

I mean that's sort of an unfair question. Khalil Lee at the time of the trade 1000% makes the Mets top 50 prospects right now. Posted a 112 wRC+ with 53 steals, 8 homers and 12% walk rate as a 21 year old in AA. Very similar profile as Acuna at the time, Acuna the superior fielder. Senger's bat went backwards but at 21 years old (in AA) 101 wRC+ and is an OUTSTANDING defensive catcher. Longenhagen threw some random names on that top 42 that will never have even A+ success let alone AA

was ranked the #61 prospect in baseball going into 2019, there was obviously no 2020 minor league season and was traded to the Mets in 2021, so he unarguably would be a top 50 prospect in the Mets system right now without hindsight telling us he would flame out and was a moron.

OF Vladi Guerrero has started his career 0/6 with 4 k's. Reports from pre-season were... not good.

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was ranked the #61 prospect in baseball going into 2019, there was obviously no 2020 minor league season and was traded to the Mets in 2021, so he unarguably would be a top 50 prospect in the Mets system right now without hindsight telling us he would flame out and was a moron.

The list GF provided said it was from Jan 2022. 2021 he went 8-18 in SBs in AAA, and struck out 13 out of 18 ABs in his major league debut. Much of his luster was off by then.

IMO, I would rank Morabito and Parada right now ahead of where I would have Lee in Jan. 2022. And that's not with hindsight

In comment 16532086 DanMetroMan said:

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was ranked the #61 prospect in baseball going into 2019, there was obviously no 2020 minor league season and was traded to the Mets in 2021, so he unarguably would be a top 50 prospect in the Mets system right now without hindsight telling us he would flame out and was a moron.

if we went by healthy and performing pretending baty/alvarez/mauricio were out, Lee, Vientos, Ramirez would have probably been the 3 we were talking about most at this point 2 years ago. Lee tanked obviously but 2 years ago he was 23 and i think at some point during the year his numbers in AAA were at least passable.

with the system like that it's no wonder mangum got hyped lol.

that Eric posted, not GF

In comment 16532102 KDavies said:

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In comment 16532086 DanMetroMan said: Quote: was ranked the #61 prospect in baseball going into 2019, there was obviously no 2020 minor league season and was traded to the Mets in 2021, so he unarguably would be a top 50 prospect in the Mets system right now without hindsight telling us he would flame out and was a moron. The list GF provided said it was from Jan 2022. 2021 he went 8-18 in SBs in AAA, and struck out 13 out of 18 ABs in his major league debut. Much of his luster was off by then. IMO, I would rank Morabito and Parada right now ahead of where I would have Lee in Jan. 2022. And that's not with hindsight

Khalil Lee posted a 162 wRC+ with 14 homers and 8 steals in AAA in 2021 over 102 games. 18.3% BB rate, this is very much revisionist to suggest a player with that line wouldn't be in the Mets *top 50* c'mon, that's just ridiculous.

In comment 16532104 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16532086 DanMetroMan said: Quote: was ranked the #61 prospect in baseball going into 2019, there was obviously no 2020 minor league season and was traded to the Mets in 2021, so he unarguably would be a top 50 prospect in the Mets system right now without hindsight telling us he would flame out and was a moron. if we went by healthy and performing pretending baty/alvarez/mauricio were out, Lee, Vientos, Ramirez would have probably been the 3 we were talking about most at this point 2 years ago. Lee tanked obviously but 2 years ago he was 23 and i think at some point during the year his numbers in AAA were at least passable. with the system like that it's no wonder mangum got hyped lol.

Red flags and all, we'd be talking about him a whole lot in 2021 with a 162 wRC+, 18.2 BB% even with his perceived "4th OFer" likely ceiling. He LED the league in wRC+ and OBP. He wasn't just "good", he led the league in both categories. 4th in OPS, 11th in slugging. He had an outstanding season and was only 23 at the time. Clearly, that didn't translate to MLB success.

would have had to have continue to hit to be in the mix, and that obviously didn't happen. BP was unusually high on him for some reason (thought he would be taken Rule 5 etc) but his upside was always backup C ala Tomas Nido-level so yeah if Ronald Hernandez was the last catcher to make FG's list (at 35) then no Senger would not likely have been top 50

who showed he couldn't steal bases above AA. 8 steals? With 10 CS? That's terrible for a guy whose speed was one of his main assets. And he showed serious contact issues at the MLB level (which was one of the main concerns about him). Wasn't high on his profile then, and he's certainly done nothing to prove me wrong.

but the point is how drastically improved the Mets farm is in just 2 1/2 years. Senger, you just said wouldn't be in your top 50. Even if Lee would, he would be where after 2021? Significantly lower than 7

Lee was 23 years old in 2021 and again led the league in wRC+ and OPS. He would have been top 50 any way you want to slice it, poor SB% and all.

.274/.451/.500 with a 162 wRC+ as a 23 year old in the IL makes 100% of top 50 lists, including the best system in baseball.
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but the point is how drastically improved the Mets farm is in just 2 1/2 years. Senger, you just said wouldn't be in your top 50. Even if Lee would, he would be where after 2021? Significantly lower than 7

Senger stopped hitting and even at his best likely wasn't a starter so unless you really loved the glove there wasn't much of a top 50 argument but if Luis Alvarez, a 21 year old RHP with a career line of 13.1 innings 18 hits 17 walks 14 k's 11.48 era comes in at #38 (yes really), then beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Nobody is taking Luis Alvarez over Nick Morabito.

was ranked #39... he's now had TJ twice and will be 22 in December. Some of these lists are "look at me, I got that random pull right!". There is no downside for the writer.

coming off TJ at 28. Could still be a servicable reliever, but weird to have above the likes of Parada and Morabito.

Though Nunez was on there at 28 years old, and he's looked the part.

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coming off TJ at 28. Could still be a servicable reliever, but weird to have above the likes of Parada and Morabito. Though Nunez was on there at 28 years old, and he's looked the part.

De Oca could be back in late July (he too has had TJ twice)

Nathan Martorella pre-trade to Miami (.292/.393/.427, 15.0 BB%, 15.9% K% 130 wRC+), heads to Miami in the Arraez trade (.208/.234/.277, 2.8 BB%, 21.5% K% 52 wRC+)

Estarling Mercado posted an .891 OPS in May. Came into 2024 with *11* professional AB's

From Clifford and Baez tonight.

Jonah Tong goes today looking to bounce back from an extremely rough/short outing last time out for
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Struggling big time at AAA still. Vasil almost a full year at AAA and Hamel his first go around. When do they try them in the pen? I think Hamel's stuff would play up a little more than Vasil but they might need to make the move soon especially with Scott/Tidwell/Sproat full ahead of them in the rotation pecking order at this point.

mentioned in the other thread I'd like to see Thompson or Ritter get a chance here. I'm sick of DJ and want to see someone new.

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From Clifford and Baez tonight.

Clifford's iso in AA is now back to where he was in A+ with Houston last year (.267). Guess he just really hated Brooklyn. His 4 homers/4 doubles (8 xbh) in 19 games at AA are pacing well ahead of his 7 homers (+ 10 doubles) in 63 games in Brooklyn over the 2 seasons. the K-rate is too high and his BABIP is .200, so there are contact issues but for him to have value it starts with the power showing up and a 60+ xbh pace over a season is good.

baez descending k-rates as his power increases is a good look too. he's hitting .268 but with a .290 babip, and as a high ev guy with some assumed speed since he has 8 steals (?), there's nothing that lucky looking in his statline.

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In comment 16532311 GF1080 said: Quote: From Clifford and Baez tonight. Clifford's iso in AA is now back to where he was in A+ with Houston last year (.267). Guess he just really hated Brooklyn. His 4 homers/4 doubles (8 xbh) in 19 games at AA are pacing well ahead of his 7 homers (+ 10 doubles) in 63 games in Brooklyn over the 2 seasons. the K-rate is too high and his BABIP is .200, so there are contact issues but for him to have value it starts with the power showing up and a 60+ xbh pace over a season is good. baez descending k-rates as his power increases is a good look too. he's hitting .268 but with a .290 babip, and as a high ev guy with some assumed speed since he has 8 steals (?), there's nothing that lucky looking in his statline.

Baez really seems like the real deal. I would think they'll get him to Brooklyn soon with all these numbers but maybe they want him to work on his D or something.

Clifford looking better at AA even though the BA isn't currently due to the K issues and low BABIP. The last few games he's starting to strike out less so let's see if this continues. Let's also not forget he's only 20 so if he needs a full year at AA he is still young for the league so wouldn't be a big deal to me if he is still there at this time next season. There's a good deal of projection in the bat but you can see the tools are there and he might be someone who need to move a little slow as he puts it together.

if the Mets are looking to do some prospect swapping at the deadline who would be candidate?

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if the Mets are looking to do some prospect swapping at the deadline who would be candidate?

is the question who is trade bait?

right now if mets were buyers, it would probably be of relief pitching, which fortunately isn't usually that expensive. i.e. robertson last year cost vargas. and if the RP in question is expensive, the price could even less like Iglesias a few years ago.

the guys id be willing to dangle if they were buying would be the former higher ranked guys who are struggling hoping to find another gm willing to roll the dice on prior pedigree like parada and ramirez. vasil/jarvis are 2 tradeable arms that have had some buzz before. for a really good RP with multiple years of control i'd consider trading houck.

if they had some kind of big deal they wanted to do for a player they cant otherwise get, let's say they love luzardo, that's the type of deal id be willing to include baty in as a headliner. but i dont personally think they should do that type of deal. id just plan to sign fried or burnes in the offseason and keep baty.

i havent looked deeply at who may be avail on the trade market as buyers (for obvious reasons) but in terms of every day players i dont think id be shopping for anything beyond bench upgrades. and i would probably be trying to sell marte.

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if the Mets are looking to do some prospect swapping at the deadline who would be candidate?

Prospect for prospect? That's usually when a player is underwhelming and the same can be said for a prospect in another org doing the same. That list would start with Parada.

more and more like Ramirez is a non-prospect. Off-season DFA candidate at this point.

Walk rate down, k rate up, ISO nearly identical to last season. Coming up on almost 200 games of this level of production. Would not be surprised to see him moved in a very minor trade to a team that believes they can fix his swing

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more and more like Ramirez is a non-prospect. Off-season DFA candidate at this point. Walk rate down, k rate up, ISO nearly identical to last season. Coming up on almost 200 games of this level of production. Would not be surprised to see him moved in a very minor trade to a team that believes they can fix his swing

would think if the mets are trying to add a mark canha type, there will be a team out there willing to consider him jarvis-ish. or maybe more of an eduardo escobar/dominic leone type of move. a replacement level type depth player.

kind of like a reverse of the addison reed/jeurys familia trades in those seasons.

vasil, ramirez, hamel or something like that for a legitimate RP.

i dont remember what atlanta gave up for iglesias beyond eating his money, but im pretty sure it was less than that. not sure there is any team out there desperate enough to dump that much $ though.

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They say it usually takes 8-10 weeks to return from that.

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Tim Healey Verified @timbhealey · 4m Jett Williams had surgery on his right wrist Thursday, the Mets announced. They called it a “TFCC debridement procedure.” They say it usually takes 8-10 weeks to return from that.

Killer.

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Conservative measures are often used as first line treatment when possible. Peripheral lesions are treated by arthroscopic repair, whilst central lesions are treated by arthroscopic debridement. Further procedures (such as the Wafer procedure, ulnar osteotomies, etc.) have specific indications and great implications with regard to rehabilitation.

hopefully this is a simple cleanup procedure that solves it. bummer for sure but hopefully he can at least get some game action in late season.
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they gave him max time to let it resolve on it's own before this year would turn into a total bust. hopefully he gets a month or so at the end of the year that sets him up to start strong next year.

he could be a fall league candidate too right? in which case the regular season can almost be setup for that, which is generally considered good comp level right? like AA+?

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they gave him max time to let it resolve on it's own before this year would turn into a total bust. hopefully he gets a month or so at the end of the year that sets him up to start strong next year. he could be a fall league candidate too right? in which case the regular season can almost be setup for that, which is generally considered good comp level right? like AA+?

I'd have to think he will 100% be the perfect candidate for AFL this year to get more ABs. Lately I think it's been about high A-AA level.

Tong struck out the side in the 1st.

Yankees Dodgers is only on AppleTv tonight. I already used the free 2 month voucher, so I can't do that again. With no Mets on tonight, I was looking forward to watching this game.

meanwhile MLBtv which I do have wont cover the London game tomorrow.

Like what the fck

We are about 3 years away from playoffs/championship games being exclusive to streaming services.

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Yankees Dodgers is only on AppleTv tonight. I already used the free 2 month voucher, so I can't do that again. With no Mets on tonight, I was looking forward to watching this game. meanwhile MLBtv which I do have wont cover the London game tomorrow. Like what the fck We are about 3 years away from playoffs/championship games being exclusive to streaming services.

It's on YES. For Comcast at least.

Nolan McLean done after 2.2 innings. 3 hits 2 runs 0 walks 6 k's. Hopefully, workload-related #Mets

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Nolan McLean done after 2.2 innings. 3 hits 2 runs 0 walks 6 k's. Hopefully, workload-related #Mets

McLean pitched Tuesday. No injury today

Chris Suero 1-1, HR. 6/22 in June with 2 homers, 2b, and 6 walks #Mets

Francisco Alvarez 0-2, 0/1 throwing. Dakota Hawkins keeps rolling. 3 scoreless, 1 hit, 1 k. Era down to 3.19 #Mets

Reimer pops up in Brooklyn this week or next.

he is hitting 64% flyballs since getting promoted to bing, which is pretty high so there will likely be some regression though that could also help raise his batting average some since his BABIP is .184.

his hr/fb% isn't wildly lucky right now though you can see at A+ it was wildly below the rest of his averages. looks like promoting him was the right decision.



now has 9 total XBH in 22 AA games after posting 7 in 31 games at A+ and 10 in 32 games at A+ last year. his current 70+ xbh pace would be very good obviously, though better if he could bring down the k's and increase the batting avg. duda's best year was 60 xbh.

I'm not sure if he'll ever hit for a good average but with that low BABIP if he can get to the .250 range with that power that would be more than enough to play. I keep him in AA all year and let him get some confidence back after getting out of Brooklyn. He really did hate it there it seems.

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I'm not sure if he'll ever hit for a good average but with that low BABIP if he can get to the .250 range with that power that would be more than enough to play. I keep him in AA all year and let him get some confidence back after getting out of Brooklyn. He really did hate it there it seems.

if we normalized his hr/fb% to 20% at a+, he'd have hit 4-5 hrs, so my guess is he lost at least 2 or 3 to the park. if there's 1 guy i wish we had a full statcast on it's him, id bet there were some long flyball outs which made their promotion decision a lot simpler.

back to Syracuse, Layonel Ovalles from St. Lucie to FCL

Hawkins now has a 2.70 FIP, 10.04 K/9 on the season

Ramirez is 3/34 vs. lefties wtf lol

no word on Parada's injury

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no word on Parada's injury

Vargas thing is so weird as well. Still active but hasn't played since May 28.

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In comment 16533830 DanMetroMan said: Quote: no word on Parada's injury Vargas thing is so weird as well. Still active but hasn't played since May 28.

It's strange. This is now the 3rd time this has happened with him this season, he's been on the IL twice (both following periods of not playing).

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In 25 games since, he’s batting .404 with seven home runs & an OPS of 1.193 🤯

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Daiverson Gutierrez with a first inning single. Gutierrez had a very rough 2023 with the bat, but has begun 2024 4 for his first 12 with a walk and 2 2b's #Mets

Randy Guzman (who admittedly I know nothing about other than him being a big kid 6'4" 215 with a 2 run triple. 5/11 with 2 extra base hits to open the season. Yensi Rivas first career xtra base hit (2b), Vladi 0-1 #Mets

Hurtado allows 2 runs on 2 hits (0 er) but strikes out 3 #Mets

J-Rod k's, Henriquez grounds out, Simon Juan doubles (Juan a bit of a struggle in June. Coming into today 3/17 this month), Zitella down on strikes #Mets

Yensi Rivas now 2-2 with a 3b, Lantigua 1-2, BB, Guerrero 0-2, K #Mets

Daviel Hurtado done after 1.1 innings. 2 hits 2 runs (0 er) 1 walk 4 k's. Acuna cousin Joseph Yabbour on in relief #Mets

Simon Juan adds his 2nd double of the game doubling his total for the year #Mets

Blade Tidwell, RHP, Mets (No. 94)

Tidwell dealt with injury during a disappointing final season at Tennessee and fell to the Mets in the second round in 2023, signing a $1.85 million bonus. He made 25 starts over 116 innings in his full-season debut last year. Tidwell showed swing-and-miss stuff, striking out 31.4% of batters he faced while limiting damage with a .208 opponent batting average. He was assigned to Double-A Binghamton out of camp this year. After seven strong appearances, Tidwell earned the promotion to Triple-A. Now knocking on the door of the major leagues, Tidwell looks poised to join the Mets rotation this summer. He has midrotation upside as a power pitcher with swing-and-miss stuff but some command woes.
Brandon Sproat, RHP, Mets (No. 97)

The Mets were determined to land Sproat, even after failing to sign him as a third-rounder in 2022. They went back to the well in the second round of last July’s draft and landed Sproat No. 56 overall, signing him to a bonus of $1.475 million. Shutdown after signing, Sproat debuted in 2024 and is among a core of talented Mets pitching prospects dominating the minor leagues. Sproat has good velocity across his pitch mix led by two fastball shapes sitting 94-96 mph. He pairs his fastball shapes with a cutter-slider, a changeup and a curveball. He shows the ability to mix shapes and control hard contact while driving whiffs. Sproat lacks top-of-the-rotation upside but he looks like a safe rotation piece. He could slot into the middle of the Mets’ staff for years to come.

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Bryce Montes de Oca will begin his rehab assignment this week with @stluciemets, Marco Vargas placed on the 7 day IL (third time this season) #Mets

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Bryce Montes de Oca will begin his rehab assignment this week with @stluciemets, Marco Vargas placed on the 7 day IL (third time this season) #Mets

He will pitch today

1. Expects Severino to be traded 2. Names Astros, NYY, SF, Cubs, Twins as potential landing spots for Alonso (says the Mets will try and bring him back if they trade him) 3. Expects the Mets to sell, JDM "likely" to be traded #Mets

got back to me on twitter


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Marco Vargas (well-regarded teenage INF prospect Mets got for David Robertson last summer) has been dealing with wrist tendinitis. On the IL now, not sure on a timetable for a return.

Unfortunate run for Mets position player prospects with him, Gilbert, Williams missing time.

Reimer (Hamstring)
Williams (wrist surgery)
Gilbert (Hamstring)
Vargas (wrist)
Mauricio (ACL)
Ziegler (TJ)
Lavender (TJ)
Parada (??)
Wyatt Hudepohl (??)
Austin Troesser (elbow)
Noah Hall (??)
Zach Thornton (??)
Ben Simon (??)
Bryce Jenkins (season ending IL ??)

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Reimer (Hamstring) Williams (wrist surgery) Gilbert (Hamstring) Vargas (wrist) Mauricio (ACL) Ziegler (TJ) Lavender (TJ) Parada (??) Wyatt Hudepohl (??) Austin Troesser (elbow) Noah Hall (??) Zach Thornton (??) Ben Simon (??) Bryce Jenkins (season ending IL ??)

Rehabbing TJ (probably more but confirmed-)
John Valle
Matt Allan
Calvin Ziegler
Nathan Lavender
Robert Dominguez
Dylan Ross
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Luis R. Rodriguez
Joel Diaz (back pitching)
Javier Atencio
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Bryce Montes De Oca (rehab assignment begins today) #Mets

Bryce Montes de Oca's first rehab appearance has been delayed due to rain #Mets

Montes De Oca walks the first batter he faces. FB up to 96.2 #Mets

Records his first strike out. FB sitting 95-96 #Mets

Walk, K, single, 2b vs. Montes de Oca so far, his FB has hit 97.5 #Mets

That's it for Montes De Oca, Joel Diaz on in relief. 1 run in, runners on 2nd and 3rd #Mets

Montes De Oca 0.1 innings 2 hits 3 runs 1 walk 1 k (FB topped off at 97.5, sat 95-96) Joel Diaz 0.2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 1 k (FB topped off at 92.6, sat 90-92.6) #Mets

Baro 1-1, Houck 0-1, Baez BB, Fanas 1-1 2b, Rosa 0-1 K, Ewing 0-1 K #Mets

Houck with a double, Ewing drives him in. Rosa 0-2 2 k's. He's been completely overmatched 99 ab's 49 k's, the aggressive promotion hasn't worked out to this point #Mets

Diaz really having a rough go of it it today, has allowed 7 base runners, 3 runs through 1.2 innings. FB mostly 91-92 #Mets

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Diaz really having a rough go of it it today, has allowed 7 base runners, 3 runs through 1.2 innings. FB mostly 91-92 #Mets

And now a 3 run homer. 2.0 innings 5 hits 6 runs 3 walks 1 k #Mets

Joel Diaz allows an IF single. Positive side post HR, his velocity is sitting 92-94, was more 90-92 prior that that. Diaz (final line?) 2.2 innings 6 hits 6 runs 3 walks 2 k's #Mets

Activated, Nido DFA’ed. That’s probably the end of Nido with the Mets

Christopher "potential headliner for stars" Morel... 0.2 fWAR, 102 wRC+, -8 DRS, -11 OAA

Rosa down on strikes again. He's now 2/25 with 13 k's in June. I have to wonder how long before they consider sending him back to the @FCLMets #Mets

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Activated, Nido DFA’ed. That’s probably the end of Nido with the Mets

and it is


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hasn't pitched since 6/2, something to keep an eye on.

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hasn't pitched since 6/2, something to keep an eye on.

Schedule to pitch 6/14 per Mike Mayer. So clearly they are trying to maneuver his innings. 12 days between starts is obviously uncommon.

@stluciemets Montes de Oca (first rehab appearance) 0.1 innings 2 hits 3 runs 1 bb 1 k (FB topped off at 97.5)
J. Diaz 2.2 innings 6 hits 6 runs 3 bb 2 k's (FB topped off at 94), Baez 2-4, BB, K, Hernandez 2-5,Houck 2-5, HR,Baro 1-2, 2 BB, Ewing 1-4, BB, K, Rosa 0-4, 3 k #Mets

Ryan Clifford 1.206 OPS in June (4 homers, 8 walks) over 7 games played. Wyatt Young very quietly has a 128 wRC+, 14.3% BB%, career low GB%, career high FB% and an OBP pushing .400 (he's also 5'6" which is fun)

The opposite of Ryan Clifford's June is Luisangel Acuna. 8 games .171/.237/.229, 35 ab's, 11 k's, 1 extra base hit

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Kodai Senga threw a bullpen Sunday, will throw another tomorrow. Did long toss today. He'll continue his progression but Mendoza is pleased that he's getting on the mound.

Lays an egg. He’s struggled so far in AAA

and 92/101mph singles. 3 rbis, hitting .429 with a 1.500 ops.

i know they mentioned 2b, but how about we give the man some more LF reps! marte has been a lot better vs lefties than righties, there is a part time role baty can play while probably improving the OF defense by moving marte to bench more often.

obviously good to see him producing but also saw somewhere that he has one of the highest sweet spot %'s of all met minor leaguers. among the big league roster, only 2 players have higher swtspot% (nimmo, marte).

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Colin Houck’s line from St Lucie’s game against Jupiter today:

2-for-5, 2 R, HR (2), 2B, 3 RBI, K

The 2023 first rounder has a .273 average and 1.003 OPS in June🔥


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which id imagine correlates at least somewhat with sweetspot%.

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The most obvious @mets minor leaguer due a promotion is probably 3b/1b Nick Lorusso. Lorusso (24 in September) has a 136 wRC+ with a 13.3% BB, and 19.5% K% #Mets

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The most obvious @mets minor leaguer due a promotion is probably 3b/1b Nick Lorusso. Lorusso (24 in September) has a 136 wRC+ with a 13.3% BB, and 19.5% K% #Mets

Morabito has not shown much pop at Brooklyn, but he has gotten on base.

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Prospect writer I spoke to last week called Morabito an extra OFer type. 60-70 speed, good eye, solid in the OF, "one level" swing, maxed out physically.

Christian Scott strikes out the lead-off hitter, then allows a single and a ground out. FB has maxed out at 95.4 @SyracuseMets #Mets

1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 2 k's.... 11 pitches/10 strikes. wow lol #Mets

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What does his FB usually carry at?

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In comment 16535289 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Christian Scott strikes out the lead-off hitter, then allows a single and a ground out. FB has maxed out at 95.4 @SyracuseMets #Mets What does his FB usually carry at?

As a big leaguer his average 4-seam velocity has been 94.3. I wasn't pointing out his velocity for any other reason than there is statcast data for the start, many minor league games don't have it.

Acuna 0-1, Baty 0-1

with a HR in his first stateside game, reminds many of Prince Fielder

2 innings 3 hits 0 runs 0 walks 4 k's, 28 pitches, 23 strikes #Mets

Christian Scott 3 innings 4 hits 0 runs 1 walk 5 k's, 46 pitches/35 strikes #Mets

Acuna 0-2, Bannon HR (his 11th), Baty 0-2 #Mets

Christian Scott done after 3.2 (almost 100% by design) 5 hits 1 run (solo hr) 1 walk 6 k's 60 pitches/46 strikes #Mets

Mike Vasil now in the game for @SyracuseMets #Mets

1-2-3 inning for Vasil with 2 k's. FB topped off at 94.6 #Mets

Acuna infield single, caught stealing (1-3) Syracuse up 3-1 after 5 #Mets

Rough second inning so far for Vasil. 3 hits, including a 2 run double. 3-3 #Mets

Vasil 2 innings 3 hits 3 runs 0 walks 3 k's #Mets

Brett Baty with a rocket line drive single up the middle (113.8 MPH) #Mets

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Vasil 2 innings 3 hits 3 runs 0 walks 3 k's #Mets

Said this last week but he needs to go to the pen now!

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The most obvious @mets minor leaguer due a promotion is probably 3b/1b Nick Lorusso. Lorusso (24 in September) has a 136 wRC+ with a 13.3% BB, and 19.5% K% #Mets

Kind of tells you what the organization thinks of him. Filler unfortunately.

I had high hopes for a lot of these types to get a shot this year in the AAA/AA we talk about a lot but seems like it won't happen. I think some of them might catch on.

Vasil 3 innings 2 hits 1 run (2 of his runs have been changed to unearned due to an error on Baty) 2 walks 3 k's. FB mostly 92-93. One of his better outings on the season so far #Mets

Vasil allows a single, error by Acuna and now a walk

Vasil 3.2 innings 4 hits 3 runs 3 walks 3 k's, 75 pitches 43 strikes (Final line) #Mets

@BKCyclones places RHP Brett Banks on the 7 day IL, and current best name in the entire system Henry Henry has been assigned to @stluciemets #Mets

may be a good fit for Severino/Quintana/Manaea

will be the closer upon his return.

Clifford 1-1 2B. Overall a pretty crappy day on the farm for @mets but Clifford appears to be locked in #Mets

Sign converted position player Anthony Nunez to a minor league deal. Was previously with the Padres organization as an IF.

Jonathan Pintaro making his first professional start for @BKCyclones today

Wilmer Lugo 1.2 innings 1 hit 2 runs 4 walks 2 k's 4 WP's

Alex “Juicy” Jensen
@jensen_juicy
While I'm on the topic of similarities, AJ Ewing reminds me soooo much of Brandon Lowe. The approach, the controlled load into surprising bat speed when he unloads, the bat path. Ewing is slightly larger and I'm not usually a comps guy, but I can't help but see similarities here

1-12. 8 k's

In addition to RHP Anthony Nuñez @mets
have signed RHP Eduardo Herrera and assigned him to @stluciemets
. Herrera (another converted IFer) previously spent time in both the Royals and Diamondbacks organizations and reportedly touches 96 despite only standing 5'9"

making the start at 2b

won't be back soon per Mayer. Both he and Jett both, almost lost seasons jeez

ops just .670 but one of the hits was a 2b. also had 3 rbis.

baty another big game, 3 for 5, 2 doubles, 3 rbis and 4 hard hit balls. mashing baseballs is exactly what he needed from AAA. id have put him in the OF before 2b though.

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won't be back soon per Mayer. Both he and Jett both, almost lost seasons jeez

What bad luck.

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I was hopeful Gilbert would be pushing for a big league spot right now. Instead he’s apparently not even close to playing. Hard to see a scenario he’s up before next season at this point.

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Yup I thought he'd be up by ASB replacing Marte.

Do we know what Orellana is injured with? Saw he didn't pitch in a while and that's he on IL.

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ops just .670 but one of the hits was a 2b. also had 3 rbis. baty another big game, 3 for 5, 2 doubles, 3 rbis and 4 hard hit balls. mashing baseballs is exactly what he needed from AAA. id have put him in the OF before 2b though.

Maybe see Acuna in July or August if he continues.

Baty keeps mashing in AAA. Going to start to hear he's a Quad A player but I still think his bat can play here.

Wilkins Ramos gave up his first runs of the year. Still don't know why he's in AA.

McLean another 3 Ks. .157/.501 batting line. Unless there's a miracle here I have to think he's in rotation full time next year.

Clifford's first multi strikeout game in a while. Joander Suarez has been a little disappointing but haven't looked under the hood.

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won't be back soon per Mayer. Both he and Jett both, almost lost seasons jeez

Fudge... :-(

Newly signed RHP Anthony Nunez has been assigned to
@FCLMets
and RHP Jesus Anton has been promoted from DSL Mets Orange to
@FCLMets

six of the starting pitchers who very recently debuted. He had this to say about Christian Scott:

"Two who could be complete

Christian Scott, New York Mets
While no pitcher satisfies all three requirements perfectly, Christian Scott probably gets the closest.

• He located his fastball and slider at above-average rates
• His slider would rank in the top 15 among starters in Stuff+ if he qualified
• His four-seam fastball Stuff+ (89) was not as bad as it looked when compared to the average starting pitcher’s four-seam (92)

He could have more ride on the four-seamer, but it’s a decent two-plane fastball with average velocity, so it’s not as much of a problem as some of the fastballs thrown by the starters on our list today. When he was last in the big leagues, all four of his pitches had a 20 percent whiff rate or better. If he can push the velocity or the ride at all in the coming years, there might be another level, but if there was one player on our list today who seems like he’s got everything he needs for continued success, it’s Scott."

Yovanny Rodriguez with his first professional HR

Is Scott going to be back up any time soon? Not sure the plan is with him.

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Is Scott going to be back up any time soon? Not sure the plan is with him.

Pure speculation on my part, but I think they are gonna keep him in AAA, throwing 3-4 IP per start, until after the trade deadline.

Right now they have Severino, Megill, Quintana, Manaea and Peterson in the rotation. The veterans are all trade candidates and performing at least decently, so they aren't going to get demoted. Megill seems to have found a little extra this go around, so Mets (rightfully) want to get a longer look at him.

Peterson looked really good during his rehab starts but seems to be the same ole guy we've seen the past few years. Maybe if Peterson underwhelms for a few more starts they'll move Scott back in, but Mets might be hoping to get a longer look at Peterson (and I wouldn't count him out as a trade candidate either).

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In comment 16537029 GF1080 said: Quote: Is Scott going to be back up any time soon? Not sure the plan is with him. Pure speculation on my part, but I think they are gonna keep him in AAA, throwing 3-4 IP per start, until after the trade deadline. Right now they have Severino, Megill, Quintana, Manaea and Peterson in the rotation. The veterans are all trade candidates and performing at least decently, so they aren't going to get demoted. Megill seems to have found a little extra this go around, so Mets (rightfully) want to get a longer look at him. Peterson looked really good during his rehab starts but seems to be the same ole guy we've seen the past few years. Maybe if Peterson underwhelms for a few more starts they'll move Scott back in, but Mets might be hoping to get a longer look at Peterson (and I wouldn't count him out as a trade candidate either).

Yeah that makes plenty of sense to me. That doesn't even include Senga possibly coming back so no room in the rotation anyways barring injuries or whatever.

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Probably a good bet. They need to be careful about his innings - he only threw 87 innings last year and he’s already over 60 now. Supposedly there’s no hard cap on him, but they’re not going to be stupid with him either.

Company line is they don’t have hard caps as an organization but they just skipped Sproat’s last start because of inning maintenance and he threw 106 last season aka probably safely can throw 125-130 without it even being an issue and yet they are still tracking pitches per start etc. I think they just don’t want to answer definitively what the plans are innings wise for any of these guys.

DFA Vogelbach. I think he's been even worse this year than last.

Holderman has been a stud for Pitt so far this year. Why oh why did they make that stupid trade.

Release Jose Abreu

Rays release Harold Ramirez

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DFA Vogelbach. I think he's been even worse this year than last. Holderman has been a stud for Pitt so far this year. Why oh why did they make that stupid trade.

that trade was the moment eppler lost me. hated it. and hated just as much not adding any good relievers that deadline after he'd made the stupid comments about there being plenty on the market.

for a brief few weeks when vogelbach was "the big problem" i thought there was a glimmer of hope my initial reaction had been wrong and eppler really knew what he was doing, but that obviously didnt end up the case.

Never been an Eppler fan in any way. He probably would have been an asset as a voice in the room but as the lead decision maker. Woof

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Never been an Eppler fan in any way. He probably would have been an asset as a voice in the room but as the lead decision maker. Woof

i was of that mind until the buck/eppler rift became more known, and alderson confirming has swayed me towards believing that buck was probably more in the right than eppler.

i also dont think its a coincidence that eppler got ratted out for something every team has probably done.

having a problem with 1 person can happen. having problems with a lot of people leads me to believe eppler was not the people first culture builder he claimed himself to be.

Out after 3.2 IP 70 pitches. 8 K 2 H 1 BB 1 ER.

they’ve been needing IF depth all year and he’s earned a promotion.

With a walk off HR tonight. Also a double and 2 more walks. 13 XBH in 26 games in AA.

That’s a lot of pitches for 3.2

St. Lucie Mets placed RHP Chris Santiago on the full-season injured list (Hasn't pitched since 2022 but remains a sleeper for me if he can come back in 2025. Only 22)

-Robert Dominguez posted more video of himself throwing

Another Clifford HR. The man couldn't stand Brooklyn. OBP and SLG look great.

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Another Clifford HR. The man couldn't stand Brooklyn. OBP and SLG look great.

you aren't kidding. K-rate keeps coming down too, right around 30% now.

batting average over .200 despite low BABIP,
walk rate over 20%,
ops over 900,
iso over .300

all heading into today's 1/3 with a homer.

in 4 fewer games than A+, he has exactly twice as many XBH (7 vs. 14). power is going to be the primary carrying tool there so keep hitting XBH and the rest should work itself out.

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He's the most fascinating bat we have besides maybe Mauricio who you know I don't love.

He's starting to show what we all thought he'd look like though.

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He's the most fascinating bat we have besides maybe Mauricio who you know I don't love. He's starting to show what we all thought he'd look like though.

i guess it depends on the definition of fascinating, i think he looks pretty duda-ish, which i find kind of dime/dozen with just a few exceptions (like schwarber).

id take mauricio's explosive linedrive swing + athleticism over clifford all day. he doesnt have the plate discipline but he is much better at making contact and just as dangerous making contact. maybe even moreso.

acuna doesnt have the power, but for a plus athlete he too makes contact and has good enough xbh power/exit velo that i think he could be a gimenez type of bat. which even putting defense aside, is generally a type of hitter i like better than Duda.

but my favorite type of lineup is basically the 2015 royals, so im a little atypical. every guy in that lineup hit over .255 and nobody had more than 22 homers or an 847 ops. being hard to K and athletic up/down a lineup is how you squeak out a few runs and beat good pitching.

Kevin Parada activated from the IL and Joe Suozzi released #Mets

Luke Ritter now tied for 1st in the IL in HR’s with 16, Acuna hit his 4th

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Luke Ritter now tied for 1st in the IL in HR’s with 16, Acuna hit his 4th

Stewart replacement now please.

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Luke Ritter now tied for 1st in the IL in HR’s with 16, Acuna hit his 4th

hopefully this sparks another heater, but DJ Stewart has to be very close to the cutline.



if they are intent on giving Baty a real shot at 2b he probably needs a few weeks playing there, and in that case ritter seems like an interesting call up because he has seemingly played every position.

nice thing for morale on the farm to give guys like him a shot once in while when they are producing, who knows maybe catch lightning in a bottle just like DJ in the first place.

i doubt they call up Acuna, but as an example of why i think it's at least worth considering, he can play almost as many positions as ritter, is currently hitting for a better average, and k's almost half as often. i dont think it's worth calling him up unless you are going to play him regularly as a starter at 2b though, and i think that is probably not the case right now.

Eduardo Herrera struck out 2 over 1 inning of work in his
@stluciemets
debut yesterday

Ernesto Mercedes...45 innings 44 walks 69 k's

Justin Jarvis with another strong outing 6 innings 4 hits 2 runs 0 walks 5 k's. He should probably be back in Syracuse somewhat soon

Not his sharpest outing (3 walks over 3 innings) but Dakota Hawkins has only allowed 5 er over his last 19.2 innings (2.28 era)

@stluciemets
with a combined 3 hits over 17 innings yesterday....

19. Mets — Tommy White, 3B, LSU

The Mets have targeted up-the-middle profiles with each of their last four first-round hitters. But when does Tommy White’s pure contact skills, power and three-year track record of standout offensive performance become too much to pass up? I’m thinking it’s around this point in the draft or soon after in the early 20s. Other college names like Caleb Lomavita and Carson Benge are potential options as well.

might have got hurt yesterday. Got hit by a pitch in the first game of a DH stole a base and then came out of the game after the inning.

playing fantasy GM

2. Twins acquire 1B Pete Alonso from Mets for 1B Alex Kirilloff, RHP David Festa and 2B/OF Luke Keaschall

It appears the Mets won’t be able to extend Pete Alonso’s contract and he will hit free agency in the offseason. Therefore, it makes sense for them to trade him at the deadline for prospects to help build the organization for the future and then try to re-sign him this winter. The Mets want to keep him long term, and by all indications the feeling is mutual. However, Alonso first needs to see how he’s valued on the open market as the Mets view him in the range of the Freddie Freeman and Matt Olson deals, while the Alonso camp feels his value, including what he brings as a leader and star who embraces playing in New York, is worth more. (Freeman signed a six-year, $162 million deal with the Dodgers before the 2022 season; Olson inked an eight-year, $168 million contract with the Braves around the same time.) If the Mets (33-37), currently 1 1/2 games out of wild-card position in the log-jammed National League standings, do decide to trade Alonso, teams such as the Cubs, Brewers, Mariners, Giants and Twins make sense as landing spots as they all could use upgrades in the middle of their lineups and at first base or DH.

metZZ 1986®️
@bkfan09
Edward Lantigua Doubles and Homers on the same inning , Now this is player that Scouts were raving to me about.

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playing fantasy GM 2. Twins acquire 1B Pete Alonso from Mets for 1B Alex Kirilloff, RHP David Festa and 2B/OF Luke Keaschall It appears the Mets won’t be able to extend Pete Alonso’s contract and he will hit free agency in the offseason. Therefore, it makes sense for them to trade him at the deadline for prospects to help build the organization for the future and then try to re-sign him this winter. The Mets want to keep him long term, and by all indications the feeling is mutual. However, Alonso first needs to see how he’s valued on the open market as the Mets view him in the range of the Freddie Freeman and Matt Olson deals, while the Alonso camp feels his value, including what he brings as a leader and star who embraces playing in New York, is worth more. (Freeman signed a six-year, $162 million deal with the Dodgers before the 2022 season; Olson inked an eight-year, $168 million contract with the Braves around the same time.) If the Mets (33-37), currently 1 1/2 games out of wild-card position in the log-jammed National League standings, do decide to trade Alonso, teams such as the Cubs, Brewers, Mariners, Giants and Twins make sense as landing spots as they all could use upgrades in the middle of their lineups and at first base or DH.

Hate Bowden but this would be a great return for the Mets. Probably way more in favor of the Mets since they get Festa who I'm high on with big stuff and Keaschall having a great year so far.

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In comment 16538280 DanMetroMan said: Quote: playing fantasy GM 2. Twins acquire 1B Pete Alonso from Mets for 1B Alex Kirilloff, RHP David Festa and 2B/OF Luke Keaschall It appears the Mets won’t be able to extend Pete Alonso’s contract and he will hit free agency in the offseason. Therefore, it makes sense for them to trade him at the deadline for prospects to help build the organization for the future and then try to re-sign him this winter. The Mets want to keep him long term, and by all indications the feeling is mutual. However, Alonso first needs to see how he’s valued on the open market as the Mets view him in the range of the Freddie Freeman and Matt Olson deals, while the Alonso camp feels his value, including what he brings as a leader and star who embraces playing in New York, is worth more. (Freeman signed a six-year, $162 million deal with the Dodgers before the 2022 season; Olson inked an eight-year, $168 million contract with the Braves around the same time.) If the Mets (33-37), currently 1 1/2 games out of wild-card position in the log-jammed National League standings, do decide to trade Alonso, teams such as the Cubs, Brewers, Mariners, Giants and Twins make sense as landing spots as they all could use upgrades in the middle of their lineups and at first base or DH. Hate Bowden but this would be a great return for the Mets. Probably way more in favor of the Mets since they get Festa who I'm high on with big stuff and Keaschall having a great year so far.

Not at all a Kirilloff guy he's a DH-type who hasn't really hit and can't stay healthy. Festa/Keaschall would be a very strong duo however. I don't see the Twins making this trade.

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playing fantasy GM 2. Twins acquire 1B Pete Alonso from Mets for 1B Alex Kirilloff, RHP David Festa and 2B/OF Luke Keaschall It appears the Mets won’t be able to extend Pete Alonso’s contract and he will hit free agency in the offseason. Therefore, it makes sense for them to trade him at the deadline for prospects to help build the organization for the future and then try to re-sign him this winter. The Mets want to keep him long term, and by all indications the feeling is mutual. However, Alonso first needs to see how he’s valued on the open market as the Mets view him in the range of the Freddie Freeman and Matt Olson deals, while the Alonso camp feels his value, including what he brings as a leader and star who embraces playing in New York, is worth more. (Freeman signed a six-year, $162 million deal with the Dodgers before the 2022 season; Olson inked an eight-year, $168 million contract with the Braves around the same time.) If the Mets (33-37), currently 1 1/2 games out of wild-card position in the log-jammed National League standings, do decide to trade Alonso, teams such as the Cubs, Brewers, Mariners, Giants and Twins make sense as landing spots as they all could use upgrades in the middle of their lineups and at first base or DH.

jmo but as someone who was previously thinking Pete would get more, I think at this point it is delusion to think he will get that kind of money in FA barring some unexpected market shift.

especially since he has now hit .220 for the last 2 years, and this year his defense hasnt been great.

soto is going to get something massive like ohtani, but if the market looks likely to shift beyond that, the top guys from last year are going to opt back to FA (chapman, bellinger, hoskins) in addition to what is already scheduled to be on the market with bregman, ozuna, pete, teoscar, jdm.

pete is obviously still one of the most appealing names on that list, but so is bellinger and he only got the $80m last year. i am taking the under on 2x more than that (160m) all day until we see something with the market change.

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In comment 16538294 GF1080 said: Quote: In comment 16538280 DanMetroMan said: Quote: playing fantasy GM 2. Twins acquire 1B Pete Alonso from Mets for 1B Alex Kirilloff, RHP David Festa and 2B/OF Luke Keaschall It appears the Mets won’t be able to extend Pete Alonso’s contract and he will hit free agency in the offseason. Therefore, it makes sense for them to trade him at the deadline for prospects to help build the organization for the future and then try to re-sign him this winter. The Mets want to keep him long term, and by all indications the feeling is mutual. However, Alonso first needs to see how he’s valued on the open market as the Mets view him in the range of the Freddie Freeman and Matt Olson deals, while the Alonso camp feels his value, including what he brings as a leader and star who embraces playing in New York, is worth more. (Freeman signed a six-year, $162 million deal with the Dodgers before the 2022 season; Olson inked an eight-year, $168 million contract with the Braves around the same time.) If the Mets (33-37), currently 1 1/2 games out of wild-card position in the log-jammed National League standings, do decide to trade Alonso, teams such as the Cubs, Brewers, Mariners, Giants and Twins make sense as landing spots as they all could use upgrades in the middle of their lineups and at first base or DH. Hate Bowden but this would be a great return for the Mets. Probably way more in favor of the Mets since they get Festa who I'm high on with big stuff and Keaschall having a great year so far. Not at all a Kirilloff guy he's a DH-type who hasn't really hit and can't stay healthy. Festa/Keaschall would be a very strong duo however. I don't see the Twins making this trade.

Yeah to me Kirilloff is a throw in as the 3rd guy. Festa immediately would come in and be our best SP prospect or right there with Scott/Sproat. I see 0 chance the Twins would make this deal as you said though.

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In comment 16538280 DanMetroMan said: Quote: playing fantasy GM 2. Twins acquire 1B Pete Alonso from Mets for 1B Alex Kirilloff, RHP David Festa and 2B/OF Luke Keaschall It appears the Mets won’t be able to extend Pete Alonso’s contract and he will hit free agency in the offseason. Therefore, it makes sense for them to trade him at the deadline for prospects to help build the organization for the future and then try to re-sign him this winter. The Mets want to keep him long term, and by all indications the feeling is mutual. However, Alonso first needs to see how he’s valued on the open market as the Mets view him in the range of the Freddie Freeman and Matt Olson deals, while the Alonso camp feels his value, including what he brings as a leader and star who embraces playing in New York, is worth more. (Freeman signed a six-year, $162 million deal with the Dodgers before the 2022 season; Olson inked an eight-year, $168 million contract with the Braves around the same time.) If the Mets (33-37), currently 1 1/2 games out of wild-card position in the log-jammed National League standings, do decide to trade Alonso, teams such as the Cubs, Brewers, Mariners, Giants and Twins make sense as landing spots as they all could use upgrades in the middle of their lineups and at first base or DH. jmo but as someone who was previously thinking Pete would get more, I think at this point it is delusion to think he will get that kind of money in FA barring some unexpected market shift. especially since he has now hit .220 for the last 2 years, and this year his defense hasnt been great. soto is going to get something massive like ohtani, but if the market looks likely to shift beyond that, the top guys from last year are going to opt back to FA (chapman, bellinger, hoskins) in addition to what is already scheduled to be on the market with bregman, ozuna, pete, teoscar, jdm. pete is obviously still one of the most appealing names on that list, but so is bellinger and he only got the $80m last year. i am taking the under on 2x more than that (160m) all day until we see something with the market change.

Yup Alonso probably screwed himself not taking a deal before this year if Stearns really offered something. If he doesn't seriously turn up the bat the rest of the season I'd be shocked if he came anywhere near what like $125 million and I'm not sure he even gets $100 at this point.

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19. Mets — Tommy White, 3B, LSU The Mets have targeted up-the-middle profiles with each of their last four first-round hitters. But when does Tommy White’s pure contact skills, power and three-year track record of standout offensive performance become too much to pass up? I’m thinking it’s around this point in the draft or soon after in the early 20s. Other college names like Caleb Lomavita and Carson Benge are potential options as well.

I dont see that at all - not a David Stearns guy IMO, Blake Burke and Tommy Tanks are projected to be DH only by people I know that usually is a 3rd round profile at best, but it takes just one team to disagree

mock drafts have been sort of worthless beyond overall "stock up" "stock down" types. Not really connecting teams or "hearing" things beyond that.

Since seeing capone what happened to Shecky? I haven't seen a Mets post from him in a long time.

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Yup Alonso probably screwed himself not taking a deal before this year if Stearns really offered something. If he doesn't seriously turn up the bat the rest of the season I'd be shocked if he came anywhere near what like $125 million and I'm not sure he even gets $100 at this point.

i dont think stearns offered alonso anything yet.

i think the deal pete turned down last year was eppler, and then this offseason i think pete/boras were practically begging to get any kind of extension offer close to that but didn't get anything from stearns.

i think pete/boras have wished they could get a do-over on that decision to decline every day for at least the last 6 months.

thats why from stearns POV, i think approaching the deadline he has a leverage window where he has a chance to get something done before the market shifts and with the other side of the negotiation likely feeling very at risk.

why not offer something him something team friendly? if stearns wasnt willing to extend him now on something team friendly, then obviously game on for the deadline/QO.

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Since seeing capone what happened to Shecky? I haven't seen a Mets post from him in a long time.

noticed that too, hope everything is ok and just took a break since team has been meh.

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In comment 16538305 GF1080 said: Quote: Yup Alonso probably screwed himself not taking a deal before this year if Stearns really offered something. If he doesn't seriously turn up the bat the rest of the season I'd be shocked if he came anywhere near what like $125 million and I'm not sure he even gets $100 at this point. i dont think stearns offered alonso anything yet. i think the deal pete turned down last year was eppler, and then this offseason i think pete/boras were practically begging to get any kind of extension offer close to that but didn't get anything from stearns. i think pete/boras have wished they could get a do-over on that decision to decline every day for at least the last 6 months. thats why from stearns POV, i think approaching the deadline he has a leverage window where he has a chance to get something done before the market shifts and with the other side of the negotiation likely feeling very at risk. why not offer something him something team friendly? if stearns wasnt willing to extend him now on something team friendly, then obviously game on for the deadline/QO.

Yeah, we obviously aren't privy to all of the conversations but Sherman's report (158) was offered by Eppler last June

Mets DSL Orange with a 9 spot in the first against.... Mets DSL Blue. Edward Lantigua already with a HR and a 2b. Vladi now 1-18 as a pro #Mets

J-Rod 0-1 (he's really cooled off, hitting .206 in June), he won't be 18 until next month. Simon Juan with a single #Mets

i think most big negotiations are psychological more than exact #'s, so i think the path to a pete deal is pretty simple, give him a chance to "redo" his bad decision. Let him feel like he didn't actually leave that money on the table. if he wants to be a nym, i think it would be the height of insanity to pass on anything over what bellinger got.

minus out this year's 20m, and there is 5x137m left for him to "earn back". give him +4 years guaranteed for most of it (90m?) and then a couple of mutual option/vesting years + incentives to earn back the rest.

4x90m gives him a higher AAV than olson, and were he to re-enter FA at the end of that deal he'd be younger than Freeman is right now, so if he plays as well as the guy he wants to comp himself too he'd get another deal from someone even if mets dont pick up options.

Daviel Hurtado strikes out the side in the first for @fclmets #Mets

DSL Mets Orange now up 11-0, Vladi Guerrero with his second hit of the year #Mets

Tyler Stuart has been one of the unluckiest pitchers in the minors in 2024. He has a 5.02 era with a 3.35 FIP, good for the second biggest game in the EL. 3rd highest BABIP (.367). His K/BB ratio is the 5th best mark in the league and his xFIP is 3rd best (3.13)

Hurtado 2 perfect 4 k's, the longest appearance of his pro career #Mets

J-Rod now 0/2 with a K. Rodriguez posted 8 extra base hits in May (18 games) but has only 1 so far in June (this his 10th game) #Mets

i didnt realize they are already just 1.5 games out of wild card. they dont really have any excuses to not be in a WC by mid-July with the upcoming schedule.

the mcneil/marte stuff does not sound promising. feels like both hanging on by threads.

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Mets officials still say that McNeil’s pregame work has improved, that he’s engaged and has played fine defensively. And he has. His pregame work with third base coach Mike Sarbaugh paid off in a major way Friday night, when he ranged to his left on a grounder to make an impressive play in the ninth inning to help preserve a lead. But McNeil’s OPS has dipped to .600. Mendoza said he liked McNeil’s at-bat against lefty Yuki Matsui, that he saw better swings and thought he was “getting there.” So it sounds as if they will continue to roll with him. If the Mets were to again sit McNeil, they’d likely go with Jose Iglesias — club officials like the improvements prospect Luisangel Acuna has made in Triple A, but they still don’t think he’s ready for the majors.

Seven takeaways on the suddenly red-hot Mets: Trade deadline, J.D. Martinez and more - ( New Window )

Simon Juan now 2-2 with his 5th HR. Struggling a bit in June (.714 OPS) so this is obviously good to see #Mets

Jose Guevara 6 IP 0 R 0 H 0 BB 10 K

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Simon Juan now 2-2 with his 5th HR. Struggling a bit in June (.714 OPS) so this is obviously good to see #Mets

Good to see! He probably should go up soon as well as Fanas did. There's quite a logjam in STL though it seems.

J-Rod 0-4 2 k's, Juan 2-3, HR, K, De Oleo 0-3, K #Mets

Simon Juan launches his second HR of the game, his 5th and 6th of the year

officially an ex Met

withdrawing from the draft. Was a potential top 3 round pick

i would think acuna is going to be on the doorstep of a chance if 2b is still unsettled.

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Luisangel Acuña over the last 28 days (24 games):

.310/.369/.440 (.809 OPS)
5 doubles. 1 triple, 2 home runs, 10 RBI and 9 stolen bases

my. Kevin Parada is 1/18 in June with 9 k's

Tyler Stuart goes today for @RumblePoniesBB, Felipe De La Cruz for @BKCyclones (looking to bounce back from a rough one) and a whole sea of TBD’s are your pitching probables for today #Mets

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officially an ex Met

Someone's gotta want to sign him. Nido impressed me this year as a backup C.

for Syracuse, Anton (stateside debut) for FCL

J-Rod down on strikes. His rough June continues (7/39) with 1 extra base hit #Mets

J-Rod 0-1, K, Juan BB, Zitella BB #Mets

J-Rod down on strikes again. 0-2 2 k's. FCL Mets tied at 2 #Mets

Jesus Anton final line 0.2 innings 0 hits 2 runs 4 walks 1 k

Simon Juan with his second walk of the game, then steals 2b (only his second steal of the year). He now has 12 walks/27 k's over 102 ab's #Mets

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Pitching Rotation: Tonight's Game: Vs. Jersey Shore (Phi) 7:00 p.m, Felipe De La Cruz (3-5,4.00)
Wednesday, June 19 RHP Jonathan Pintaro (0-1, 4.00) 7:00 p.m.
Thursday, June 20 RHP Jonah Tong (1-1, 4. 26) 7:00 p.m.
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pitching rotation:
Tonight @ Akron (CLE) 6:35 PM RHP Tyler Stuart (1-5, 5.02 ERA)
Wed, June 19 6:35 PM RHP Joander Suarez (3-4, 4.76 ERA)
Thu, June 20 6:35 PM RHP Brandon Sproat (1-0, 1.52 ERA)
Fri, June 21 7:05 PM RHP Nolan McLean (0-3, 5.64 ERA)
Sat, June 22 7:05 PM RHP Luis Moreno (1-1, 4.33 ERA)
Sun, June 23 1:05 PM RHP Tyler Stuart (1-5, 5.02 ERA)

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1-1 HR

Going or just me? Figure post asb return at this point right?

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Going or just me? Figure post asb return at this point right?

posted it in the texas game thread, he has 10 starts, 57 innings, so he could go another 14 starts and still fall just short. with the injury, seems very unlikely he gets there.

Both Jonah Tong and Brandon Sproat go today

Tong article
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Simon Juan stays hot. 1-1 2b , J-Rod still scuffling 0-1 #Mets

Simon Juan came into today with a 1.031 OPS in June, and with his first inning double has 8 extra base hits this month (41 ab's). J-Rod came into today with a .420 OPS this month. Worth remembering he'll only turn 18 in 2 weeks (1 year younger than Juan) #Mets

Julio Zayas continues to quietly put up a nice season. 1-1 today so far. On the season he has a .864 OPS, 16/17 BB/K, slugging .451 with a .400+ OBP, he won't be 19 until next season #Mets

for his future projection? Obviously he is hitting well this year kind of across the board - good average, good power, solid k/bb rates. the big league version of what he is doing right now is basically Marte (a little less power but more SBs). the best I found was this blurb from BA:

Juan projects to be a physical center fielder who sticks out for his tools. He has impressive bat speed for his age, driving the ball with impact during batting practice with the potential for plus raw power once he's physically mature.

that kind of sounds like upside to be similar to this older version of Marte without plus speed. a solid all around corner OF bat.

In comment 16540099 DanMetroMan said:

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Simon Juan came into today with a 1.031 OPS in June, and with his first inning double has 8 extra base hits this month (41 ab's). J-Rod came into today with a .420 OPS this month. Worth remembering he'll only turn 18 in 2 weeks (1 year younger than Juan) #Mets

As good as Simon Juan has been this month (and he has) he too suffers from "Mets hitter disease" with a whopping 52% GB% (18th highest/78 qualified hitters)

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for his future projection? Obviously he is hitting well this year kind of across the board - good average, good power, solid k/bb rates. the big league version of what he is doing right now is basically Marte (a little less power but more SBs). the best I found was this blurb from BA: Juan projects to be a physical center fielder who sticks out for his tools. He has impressive bat speed for his age, driving the ball with impact during batting practice with the potential for plus raw power once he's physically mature and viewed more as a RFer vs. CF at this point. No arguing he's having an outstanding month and he's only 18 but you don't see any of the Law, BP's, BA's, fangraphs really talking about him and when it comes to that level of the minors (and bonus) that's a concern. that kind of sounds like upside to be similar to this older version of Marte without plus speed. a solid all around corner OF bat.

TBH, none of the prospect writers I've spoken to in the past seemed overly enamored with Juan (at least in comparison to other big bonus IFA's). He's already slowed down to the point he's at best an average runner going forward

down at 18? lol.

How? I feel like I was ascending athletically into my late 20's/early 30's before hitting the wall.

receive a mention at all on FG's write up for 2024 which went 42 deep + 20ish others mentioned and didn't crack BA's top 30 for the Mets. That's not to say he can't surprise but the lack of buzz from the Badler's of the world suggests scouts aren't blown away by the tools.

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down at 18? lol. How? I feel like I was ascending athletically into my late 20's/early 30's before hitting the wall.

He's stolen 3 bases over the past 2 seasons going 3/6. His first professional season he stole 16 bases (17 attempts) in 53 games played. He's hit 1 triple over the past 2 seasons.

In comment 16540119 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 16540113 pjcas18 said: Quote: down at 18? lol. How? I feel like I was ascending athletically into my late 20's/early 30's before hitting the wall. He's stolen 3 bases over the past 2 seasons going 3/6. His first professional season he stole 16 bases (17 attempts) in 53 games played. He's hit 1 triple over the past 2 seasons.

From 2 years ago (which mentions the risk)

" Juan has at least a plus arm that could still tick up, with the athleticism to handle center field for now, though there's a chance he outgrows the position and heads to right field. "

Running/speed is no longer part of his game

J-Rod 0-2, Juan 1-1 2b, BB, De Oleo 0-1 K (disappointing season given the pre-season buzz) Aracena 1 inning 1 walk 1 k, Zayas 1-2 K #Mets

they pull the plug on him hitting in-season (especially because he'll likely have a shot to DH once he's shut down due to innings) but McLean is now 9-59 with 34 k's as a hitter in AA. This may be the end of the line of him as a TWP.

In comment 16540110 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 16540099 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Simon Juan came into today with a 1.031 OPS in June, and with his first inning double has 8 extra base hits this month (41 ab's). J-Rod came into today with a .420 OPS this month. Worth remembering he'll only turn 18 in 2 weeks (1 year younger than Juan) #Mets As good as Simon Juan has been this month (and he has) he too suffers from "Mets hitter disease" with a whopping 52% GB% (18th highest/78 qualified hitters)

im not as convinced GB% is as big of a negative as has been portrayed by some of the prospect writers. vientos gb% is the highest it's been this year at 54% and it has certainly not been a negative in terms of his results. william contreras is 55% this year and career 53%. vlad jr is 52%, career 49%. yandy diaz is 57% this year, 53% career.

that's a small group, but all are high exit velocity and high XBH, so id theorize that with hard enough contact you can hit successfully with a lower launch angle. tommy pham (50% gb) and yelich (56% gb) also fit this profile.

it is very possible this is an artifact of met prospects because they are looking for that type of hitter - which is solid contact mixed with solid power. almost all of those guys hit for solid batting averages (.270+) with decent power. also lower k-rates.

which sort of makes sense - high launch angle types are more upper cut type swingers who tend to be more all or nothing (think joey gallo, who has one of the highest launch angles in mlb).

line is the Mets hitters in the minors (on the whole) are underperforming. BA's most recent list

Williams (hurt)
Gilbert (hurt)
Mauricio (hurt)
Acuna (disappointing)
Clifford (disappointing)
Houck (disappointing)
Ramirez (disappointing, probably not a prospect anymore)
Parada (disappointing)
Baez (strong season so far)
J-Rod (started hot, awful June, very young)
Vargas (hurt)
Yovanny Rodriguez (terrible so far)
Reimer (hurt)
Baro (good season so far)
De Oleo (awful)
Hernandez (nice season after a slow start)
Rudick (disappointing)
Lantigua (nice start)
Jordan (disappointing)

So toss in Baty and it's nearly impossible to give the Mets hitting development the benefit of the doubt. 2024 (to this point) due to injuries and underperformance = pretty ugly on the position player side.

I wouldn't consider Clifford dissapointing but agree with your overall premise. The bats this year have not looked good besides a few and then injuries have sapped some of the more promising ones.

called the system "around average" and that's with praising their pitching development so that says a lot.


"This is an average system in most respects. Its overall depth, as well as the number of Top 100 guys and impact prospects (40+ FV or better), hovers around average, trending down from last year because of the bumper crop of rookies who graduated out of the system in 2023. Arrows are up for pitchers across the system, including guys who haven’t been with the org for very long. "

Morabito and Ronald Hernandez is having a really good season so far and missing from above list just so it's not looking totally dire.

In comment 16540134 GF1080 said:

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I wouldn't consider Clifford dissapointing but agree with your overall premise. The bats this year have not looked good besides a few and then injuries have sapped some of the more promising ones.

He's certainly heating up but he's still hitting .196 with a 30% k rate in AA. I don't think anybody would have signed for that before the season even with the walks and now showing power finally. Also worth noting, his GB% in AA is 17.9%, in Brooklyn it was 44.1. So he's actually a poor example of "ground balls aren't so bad". His FB% has nearly doubled in Bing.

In comment 16540139 GF1080 said:

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Morabito and Ronald Hernandez is having a really good season so far and missing from above list just so it's not looking totally dire.

Morabito is a 4th or 5th OFer more likely or not and he too suffers from Mets disease. 55% GB% (would be 8th in the league if he qualified) out of 137 hitters, and his FB% would rank 134/137, ISO 112/137. He could be a solid role player but all in all the Mets top bats have either been injured or disappointing to the point it takes some real work to be "confident" in their development of hitters.

his iso and obp are now both higher than they were in A+ while a member of the houston org (wrc too, 142 vs 140). at the time of the trade if we could have set a baseline for his dev that this year he'd go up a level and perform as well in bing as he was performing in A+, we'd have definitely signed for that.

it's hard to fairly evaluate the system right now with the 3 top upper levels bats all injured all year, plus vargas lower level. however much people dont want to be impacted by the excitement of recency bias when guys are performing in a present day moment, it's hard to not do that.

i find it hard to call a system average when they have a higher number of players on most top 100 lists but its probably not even worth discussing, so much of the big picture prospect writer stuff is just fodder. last year the met org seemed like it had 0 pitching and at least some of the writers were critical of their pitching dev. now guys are breaking out and they are positive. so much of the prospect writer stuff that gets eyeballs is weather vane writing.

In comment 16540144 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 16540139 GF1080 said: Quote: Morabito and Ronald Hernandez is having a really good season so far and missing from above list just so it's not looking totally dire. Morabito is a 4th or 5th OFer more likely or not and he too suffers from Mets disease. 55% GB% (would be 8th in the league if he qualified) out of 137 hitters, and his FB% would rank 134/137, ISO 112/137. He could be a solid role player but all in all the Mets top bats have either been injured or disappointing to the point it takes some real work to be "confident" in their development of hitters.

Just checked, 2 extra base hits in June (15 games). Very good runner, but if he's just going to be hitting the ball into the ground there is only so much value there.

In comment 16540141 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 16540134 GF1080 said: Quote: I wouldn't consider Clifford dissapointing but agree with your overall premise. The bats this year have not looked good besides a few and then injuries have sapped some of the more promising ones. He's certainly heating up but he's still hitting .196 with a 30% k rate in AA. I don't think anybody would have signed for that before the season even with the walks and now showing power finally. Also worth noting, his GB% in AA is 17.9%, in Brooklyn it was 44.1. So he's actually a poor example of "ground balls aren't so bad". His FB% has nearly doubled in Bing.

I know I'm throwing out some stuff here but I'm not too concerned about the BA and we all know about the Brooklyn stuff. An OBP of .370 with a BB rate of 20.2% is great. SLG at AA of .511 also great and good for a 142 wRC+. We'll see where it goes but if you told those numbers I would have been more than ok with it. Even in his "disappointing" Brooklyn stint he had a 121 wRC+ so still above average offensively.

In comment 16540148 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 16540144 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 16540139 GF1080 said: Quote: Morabito and Ronald Hernandez is having a really good season so far and missing from above list just so it's not looking totally dire. Morabito is a 4th or 5th OFer more likely or not and he too suffers from Mets disease. 55% GB% (would be 8th in the league if he qualified) out of 137 hitters, and his FB% would rank 134/137, ISO 112/137. He could be a solid role player but all in all the Mets top bats have either been injured or disappointing to the point it takes some real work to be "confident" in their development of hitters. Just checked, 2 extra base hits in June (15 games). Very good runner, but if he's just going to be hitting the ball into the ground there is only so much value there.

Agreed he needs to start showing that slugging again regardless of his ultimate upside. He has had a good year though up to this point.

In comment 16540146 Eric on Li said:

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his iso and obp are now both higher than they were in A+ while a member of the houston org (wrc too, 142 vs 140). at the time of the trade if we could have set a baseline for his dev that this year he'd go up a level and perform as well in bing as he was performing in A+, we'd have definitely signed for that. it's hard to fairly evaluate the system right now with the 3 top upper levels bats all injured all year, plus vargas lower level. however much people dont want to be impacted by the excitement of recency bias when guys are performing in a present day moment, it's hard to not do that. i find it hard to call a system average when they have a higher number of players on most top 100 lists but its probably not even worth discussing, so much of the big picture prospect writer stuff is just fodder. last year the met org seemed like it had 0 pitching and at least some of the writers were critical of their pitching dev. now guys are breaking out and they are positive. so much of the prospect writer stuff that gets eyeballs is weather vane writing.

What is the argument that supports the Mets minor league hitting prospects on the whole have had good first halves? Ernest Dove said Mets people have privately admitted that Parada isn't viewed as a prospect internally by the Mets anymore, Alex Ramirez looks like the exact same player he was in 2023 except without the bad luck BABIP wise


2023 .221/.310/.317- .277 BABIP
2024 .236/.325/.350-.308 BABIP

If he's still with the organization next season I'd be surprised given the fact he's already on the 40 man.

expect Ramirez either traded to somewhere like Miami, or DFA'ed and claimed when they need a future 40 man spot. With SRF now looking potentially dinged and the bullpen thin, wouldn't at all be surprised to see him moved for a random bullpen arm.

In comment 16540141 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 16540134 GF1080 said: Quote: I wouldn't consider Clifford dissapointing but agree with your overall premise. The bats this year have not looked good besides a few and then injuries have sapped some of the more promising ones. He's certainly heating up but he's still hitting .196 with a 30% k rate in AA. I don't think anybody would have signed for that before the season even with the walks and now showing power finally. Also worth noting, his GB% in AA is 17.9%, in Brooklyn it was 44.1. So he's actually a poor example of "ground balls aren't so bad". His FB% has nearly doubled in Bing.

we dont have statcast on him but just based on having seen his swing i would bet clifford fits the higher launch angle more uppercutty swing and miss profile (just like duda).

0-2 BB, K (very rough start for him, huge bonus and all, he's now 3/30 as a pro), Vladi Guerrero 0-2, K

In comment 16540157 DanMetroMan said:

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expect Ramirez either traded to somewhere like Miami, or DFA'ed and claimed when they need a future 40 man spot. With SRF now looking potentially dinged and the bullpen thin, wouldn't at all be surprised to see him moved for a random bullpen arm.

Sulser, Walker, and Young are all on the 40 man so if they have to send SRF to DL they won't need to DFA anyone.

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0-2 BB, K (very rough start for him, huge bonus and all, he's now 3/30 as a pro), Vladi Guerrero 0-2, K

J-Rod grounds out (0-3)

In comment 16540156 DanMetroMan said:

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What is the argument that supports the Mets minor league hitting prospects on the whole have had good first halves?

im not really arguing that, i just think it's kind of a big thing to not evaluate it in the context of jett, mauricio, gilbert, vargas all essentially not playing this year so far.

i would imagine if you took out the top 3 upper level prospects (all top 100 types) from any org that had 3 of those types of players, their system would not be looked at as favorably as if those players were playing and playing well. it his human nature to over weight what is happening and under weight what isnt (aka recency bias).

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0-2 BB, K (very rough start for him, huge bonus and all, he's now 3/30 as a pro), Vladi Guerrero 0-2, K

Some insight from arguably the top Mets IFA guy on twitter re Yovanny Rodriguez

"metZZ 1986®️
@bkfan09
He at the start was very passive, then he got super aggressive, and now he’s grounding out lol"

In comment 16540172 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 16540163 DanMetroMan said: Quote: 0-2 BB, K (very rough start for him, huge bonus and all, he's now 3/30 as a pro), Vladi Guerrero 0-2, K Some insight from arguably the top Mets IFA guy on twitter re Yovanny Rodriguez "metZZ 1986®️ @bkfan09 He at the start was very passive, then he got super aggressive, and now he’s grounding out lol"

At least Daiverson is showing much better so far this season.

i think kiley is the best prospect writer right now, i think he is really good and i like his methodology the best (the $ value of prospects).

preseason he had the mets 1 of the 7 teams tied with the most top 100 prospects with 6, and the 11th ranked system valued at $235m, so from that we can infer it was viewed a little top heavy as there were a handful of orgs with fewer top 100's but higher overall value, though it's very slight because the difference between the 7 spot and 11 spot was about $14m (which is basically 2x fewer 45 grade prospects).

here is what is nuts though, out of that $235m more than half of it isn't playing with just the top 3:

Jett (#32) = $46m
Gilbert (#39) = $46m
Mauricio (#72) = $28m

i think it is human nature that if you took 3 of any of those other 7 teams out of the equation because they were presently injured, those systems would be looked at less favorably because of it even if they werent as top heavy. and since the met system strength was a little more top heavy than deep, it's a season where the farm system is being evaluated now at something closer to half strength (half value).

it is also probably a very rare thing to have happen where your 3 top hitting prospects are all out at the same time, so im not sure how well anyone is prepared to factor that into their analysis.

the mets system without those 3 players would have ranked 24th in kiley's ranks so based on only what has been on the field, it should be one of the least productive systems in mlb.

All due respect you seem hyper focused on where the system ranks and not how few of the “top” bats (the healthy ones) have had “good” let alone breakout seasons. What percentage of the Mets position player prospects (that are playing) that were perceived as top 20-30-40 prospects in the system would you have happily “signed for”?

You have signed for Acuna’s first half? Parada? Houck? Ramirez? I’m not alone here. Will Sammon touched on how the pitching development has improved considerably but the hitters on the whole have disappointed. Heck, throw in Baty, heck as much as I love Alvarez and believe in him, he currently has a career 97 wRC+, a career .218 hitter .

Lewis again. 15 games 9 homers. Unbelievable

J-Rod 0-4 K, Juan 2-3, 2B, BB, Zayas 1-4, K, Cota 3 innings 4 hits 0 er 1 walk 6 k’s (29 k’s over 17.2 innings) #Mets

In comment 16540206 DanMetroMan said:

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You have signed for Acuna’s first half? Parada? Houck? Ramirez? I’m not alone here. Will Sammon touched on how the pitching development has improved considerably but the hitters on the whole have disappointed. Heck, throw in Baty, heck as much as I love Alvarez and believe in him, he currently has a career 97 wRC+, a career .218 hitter .

hadnt most of those guys fallen off the top 10 and down in the system preseason for a reason?

for each of the guys you listed continuing to trend negative, do you think it's equally important there are guys at the lower levels having good years (j-rod, juan, baez, etc) - some of whom already ranked above the former?

it seems to me there is a roughly proportional amount of guys guys having good years, bad years, and ok years (id put clifford/acuna in this category since they are within prior norms even with bad starts) - and the bigger outlier is the disproportional number of top guys who are injured and having no year.

Acuna has a 78 wRC+, there is a 0% chance you would have “signed for” that before the season, Colin Houck (their first round pick last season aka a player people would expect to have a good season in St Lucie) has an 84 wRC+ with a 36% k rate) even J-Rod, as strong as his May was, he has a sub .400 OPS in June. All in all, the “very good” seasons and breakouts are minimal vs. how many have disappointed and I recall you remaining pretty optimistic on both Parada and Ramirez before the season (Parada in particular) so to just hand wave them away seems kind of unfair

Much as I like J-Rod, amongst teenagers in the FCL he’s now 32nd in wRC+, 15th among players 18 or younger so yeah he’s having a solid season but certainly nothing extraordinary. Wasn’t mentioned at all in BA’s FCL standouts for the first 2 months of the season either

Reportedly expected to make “extensive” changes to their IFA department per a source. In part due to 2 major suspensions of top names as well as IFA players performance/performance stateside. Unclear if that means simply dumping scouts or bringing in a specific person to run the IFA department but changes expected to be “major”.

Finally making another start at 2B, his second

Yikes. @FCLMets committed 6 errors, 4 by Jeremy Rodriguez. Almost have to wonder if he's taking his offensive struggles into the field with him? #Mets

Dom Hamel coming off a strong start amidst a rocky first half. 6 innings 7 hits 2 runs 1 walk 4 k's, hopefully he can build upon that tonight

realize hamstring injuries can linger but Gilbert and Reimer... a LONG time both out with hammies.

Wilmer Lugo on the season...7.1 innings 7 hits 3 er 8 walks 11 k's 7 wild pitches 4 HBP #Mets

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Simeon Woods Richardson's 2024 ERA is 3.26 through 12 starts.

That's the lowest ERA by a #Twins pitcher younger than 24 in his first 12 games of a season (min. 60 IP) since Scott Erickson in 1991 (1.53).

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Catcher Joe Hudson will join the Mets for their series with the Cubs in Chicago, reports @martinonyc


Luis Torrens is being placed on the paternity list

Hudson last played in the majors in 2020 and has an .833 OPS this year for Triple-A Syracuse

is still 23 years old.

Seems like a lifetime ago he was traded.

he was drafted 6 years ago.

Wow! Tillman Pugh is STILL playing professional baseball (and well!) with an .874 OPS in the @AtlanticLg
. Pugh was @mets
15th round pick back in 2010

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Acuna has a 78 wRC+, there is a 0% chance you would have “signed for” that before the season, Colin Houck (their first round pick last season aka a player people would expect to have a good season in St Lucie) has an 84 wRC+ with a 36% k rate) even J-Rod, as strong as his May was, he has a sub .400 OPS in June. All in all, the “very good” seasons and breakouts are minimal vs. how many have disappointed and I recall you remaining pretty optimistic on both Parada and Ramirez before the season (Parada in particular) so to just hand wave them away seems kind of unfair

sorry for long reply but figured id do my best to explain the "why" here - i think it makes more sense to focus more on specific talents and the specific statistical outcomes that indicate those talents as opposed to top line catch all stats. k rates and walk rates chief among them even though they dont even directly impact top line effectiveness. im also big on defensive value if players play premium positions.

This is generally for all players (and why i defended lindor a month ago when his RC was 90 bc it was clear he was mostly hitting into bad outcome luck) but especially prospects, and even more especially when needing to age-weight for guys playing against older players. Within seasons numbers fluctuate greatly, i try to zoom out.

its why i had a lot more rope with gimenez, vientos, and mauricio bc below the surface they each did specific things well even if the big picture wasnt always exciting. ex:

in 2021 mauricios rc was 94 at A+,
in 2022 it was 104 at AA,
in 2023 it was 108 at AAA,

you may recall me remaining pretty bullish on him throughout those years right? that's because the net of things he was showing the talent to do (xbh) was more important to me than the things he wasnt doing well (walking). i thought his overall topline was incorrectly weighted against the talent he was showing for loud contact with decent contact profile, so i was higher on him.

i have made the exact same types of arguments for acuna since may 1 and clifford since his promotion so if you want to see my justifications for not thinking their seasons to date are disappointments, just reread my comments from earlier in this thread on both of them. the kind of shorter versions are that Clifford has been an XBH machine since getting out of Brooklyn, and Acuna's contact profile keeps getting better. Since May 1 he is hitting .280 with a .340 obp and 700+ ops which are all pretty close to his full minor league career avg prior. we dont have full savant numbers on them but both have shown good EV (and a lot of HH contact) which is something i value. i think we can find this year to be productive for both of them even if not an obvious leap forward bc any amount of progress is still progress and they have shown they can do things at higher levels.

if a few more weak singles fell in and they were hitting above their weight classes (as vientos happens to be right now with the big club and his 156 wrc) with a higher than usual BABIP that wouldnt necessarily swing me up so i also try to not let it swing me down and i generally point that out that context in either case. i remember when they acquired acuna pointing out that his .381 babip in tex was obviously not sustainable. i have been the most bullish on vientos of anyone and even i do not think he's now a .300+ hitter. i think it's far more likely he settles close to what his averages have always been, which is in the .270 range (and would correspond with both his XBA and a more normal BABIP).

you are correct ive also given more rope to houck, parada, ramirez but that's mostly based on their pedigrees/bonuses and their experience levels. its still early for houck so i dont lump him with the other 2 yet. players are going to have down years occasionally so i generally dont hop off until players start stringing together bad years (especially if they are still teenagers). there was no reason to find simon juan interesting other than his age/bonus prior to this year. also why when holderman popped in spring training a couple years ago i found that more notable than some joe schmo waiver claim. you may remember i also got real hot on j-rod right away and that was because at 16 he was at the top of his league full of players 1-2+ yrs older than him along with his high bonus pedigree. it wasnt just bc of his specific statline, it was bc of all the context and that takes a lot more than 1 bad month to meaningfully shift for me.

last thing - i only follow this closely 5-10 hitters (and obviously i focus on nym system). so it is a super small sample size of statistical analysis. over the decade or so we've had public data to go that deep, ive found it anecdotally to be relatively effective but i have no idea how predictive it would be at a larger scale. last year when scout the statline was public, i think their model identified similar stuff to what i look for at scale because it was higher on guys that i at the time remember being higher on (like vientos/mauricio) but i have no way of knowing how good or bad my opinions are other then having gotten a few things right anecdotally.

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is still 23 years old. Seems like a lifetime ago he was traded. he was drafted 6 years ago.

still has 3 years (and 30 million reasons) to figure out how to turn himself into montero.

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realize hamstring injuries can linger but Gilbert and Reimer... a LONG time both out with hammies.

Seems crazy to me.

for the record, Jeremy Rodriguez is 18 on July 4th, he's not 16, which is why I gave the above stats regarding he vs. his age appropriate peers.

Teenagers in the FCL (17-19 year olds)

He ranks (out of 66)

15th in average
tied for 17th in HR's
tied for 16th in SB's
31st in BB's
32nd in wRC+
32nd in wOBA

If you remove the 19 year olds (32 such players)

he's still 15th in wRC+
15th in wOBA
15th in OBA

So he's been solid, he's been good but he's hardly had some sort of big "breakout" even considering his age.

That's not dumping on the kid. It's pointing out the number of players in the Mets system who have put up impressive numbers beyond expectations remains extremely small. Yes, the injuries have been a major factor. But there aren't many "woah, what a start for...."

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In comment 16540283 DanMetroMan said: Quote: realize hamstring injuries can linger but Gilbert and Reimer... a LONG time both out with hammies. Seems crazy to me.

I suspect Gilbert had a set back. Will Sammon originally said they were angling for late May or early June and now it sounds like he's "not close" (Mayer). Reimer, who knows? They haven't said a word. This was all that was ever reported

"Sam Dykstra
@SamDykstraMiLB
#Mets prospect injury updates:

-Jacob Reimer (No. 15) will be out until around June with a pulled hamstring."

I realize “around June” includes June 20th lol

Acuna 0-2, Baty 0-1 (starting at 2B), Hamel 3 innings 1 hit 1 run *3* walks 1 K, 1 HBP #Mets

Tong 2 innings 0 hits 0 walks 3 k’s, 29 pitches, 19 strikes, Morabito 0-1, Lorusso 1-1 #Mets

Clifford 0-1 BB, K, Parada 1-2 2B, McLean 0-1 K, Ramirez 1-2 2B, Sproat 3 innings 3 hits 3 runs 1 walk 1 k 1 wp #Mets

Sproat 4 innings 3 hits 3 runs 1 walk 2 k’s #Mets
Tony 3 innings 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 6 k’s Hamel 4 innings 5 hits 3 runs 3 walks 1 K.

Baez 2-3 2B, Ewing 1-1 HR, BB, Baro 1-3, Houck 0-2 K, Wenninger 4 innings 5 hits 4 runs 2 walks 5 k’s #Mets

In comment 16540379 DanMetroMan said:

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for the record, Jeremy Rodriguez is 18 on July 4th, he's not 16, which is why I gave the above stats regarding he vs. his age appropriate peers. Teenagers in the FCL (17-19 year olds) He ranks (out of 66) 15th in average tied for 17th in HR's tied for 16th in SB's 31st in BB's 32nd in wRC+ 32nd in wOBA If you remove the 19 year olds (32 such players) he's still 15th in wRC+ 15th in wOBA 15th in OBA So he's been solid, he's been good but he's hardly had some sort of big "breakout" even considering his age. That's not dumping on the kid. It's pointing out the number of players in the Mets system who have put up impressive numbers beyond expectations remains extremely small. Yes, the injuries have been a major factor. But there aren't many "woah, what a start for...."

im talking about last year when we were talking about his numbers in the DSL. in our discussion last year you were critical of DSL numbers (for good reason), my point then and my point today is that J-rods actually specific numbers didn't matter (like OPS/batting avg/etc). what stood out then was how much younger he was than the rest of the league and that from what i remember he was at the top of it in a bunch of categories. so put plainly it appeared that he was one of the best players in the league despite also being one the youngest. imo prospects always needed to be graded against the curve of their experience relative to comp level.

Singled, stole and 2 bases but then looked like he jammed his shoulder and left the game after the half inning

Outing by Sproat

6 IP, 6 H, 4 ER, 1 BB, 2 SO, 84 pitches/ 55 strikes

In comment 16540448 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16540379 DanMetroMan said: Quote: for the record, Jeremy Rodriguez is 18 on July 4th, he's not 16, which is why I gave the above stats regarding he vs. his age appropriate peers. Teenagers in the FCL (17-19 year olds) He ranks (out of 66) 15th in average tied for 17th in HR's tied for 16th in SB's 31st in BB's 32nd in wRC+ 32nd in wOBA If you remove the 19 year olds (32 such players) he's still 15th in wRC+ 15th in wOBA 15th in OBA So he's been solid, he's been good but he's hardly had some sort of big "breakout" even considering his age. That's not dumping on the kid. It's pointing out the number of players in the Mets system who have put up impressive numbers beyond expectations remains extremely small. Yes, the injuries have been a major factor. But there aren't many "woah, what a start for...." im talking about last year when we were talking about his numbers in the DSL. in our discussion last year you were critical of DSL numbers (for good reason), my point then and my point today is that J-rods actually specific numbers didn't matter (like OPS/batting avg/etc). what stood out then was how much younger he was than the rest of the league and that from what i remember he was at the top of it in a bunch of categories. so put plainly it appeared that he was one of the best players in the league despite also being one the youngest. imo prospects always needed to be graded against the curve of their experience relative to comp level.

FWIW related but not exactly related JJ Cooper went as far as to high walk numbers should almost completely be ignored in the DSL because of how ridiculous the hitting environment/poor the pitching is. I mean I mentioned him earlier but Wilmer Lugo 7.1 innings 7 hits 3 er 8 walks 11 k's 7 wild pitches 4 HB, I’m not saying I’d be able to walk walk against him but I’m guess not too many of his pitches are down the middle lol

And bonus babies I asked Badler why Juan is completely ignored by prospect writers but he’s yet to respond

To dead center

taught me to not take too seriously anything that happens below A ball.

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To dead center

give the man get some reps in a corner and let's give him stewart's spot in a week!!! he has a couple hundred innings in LF between 2021 and 2022, got to think that's easier to go back to doing than playing a whole new position (2b).

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no idea other than 1 error, 3 assts, 55 put outs. 29 games so roughly 1/5 of a full seasons worth of games.

Or something serious like that would be par for the course for our hitting prospects this year.

Not to be a Debbie downer but roster construction wise for 2025 - they were banking on a couple of these guys being able to fill out that roster and at this point the reality is I am not sure you can assume a single one of them is ready next year.

finally promoted to AAA

Released

Rough start so far today for Tidwell. Through.2 innings he’s allowed 2 hits, 2 walks and 3 runs. AAA era up to 6.04. Acuna 1-1, Baty 0-1 K (playing 2B), Ritter 1-1 #Mets

Luisangel Acuna now 2-2 with 2 rbi. His OPS is slowly creeping up. Still not great (.696) but has posted back to back multi hit games #Mets

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Luisangel Acuna now 2-2 with 2 rbi. His OPS is slowly creeping up. Still not great (.696) but has posted back to back multi hit games #Mets

also both hard hit today. he had a stretch in early june where he had very few hits but had a ton of hard hit contact. so i dont think this is as much 2 hot streaks with a cold streak in the middle as it is 1 continuous improvement after the first month adjusting to AAA.

he hit .282 in may, .288 going into today in june. k rate is down to 16%.

my guess is he spends at least another couple weeks down there through ASB/deadline, but if there were an injury to a MI i think he's probably done enough that they'd call him up over a AAAA player. they could obviously choose to call up Baty ahead of him but i wouldnt do that until there's regular playing time for him.

Blade Tidwell has walked 3 over 2.1 innings and 19 over 23.2 AAA innings. He appears unlikely to see Queens in 2024. He hasn’t struck out a batter.

Now has 3 hits

Tidwell has settled down but *0* k’s. 5 innings 4 hits 3 runs 3 walks 0 k’s

Hoping for mid July for Gilbert

Anthony DiComo
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Although the Mets are not committing to anything just yet, there's a "good chance" Christian Scott returns to the rotation during their 17-game stretch without an off day that begins Friday and runs through the All-Star break. "He's in play," manager Carlos Mendoza said.

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Kodai Senga (shoulder, triceps) threw a 22-pitch live BP session today in Port St. Lucie, Fla., marking his first time facing hitters since early May.

Senga will now fly back to New York with an eye toward potentially throwing another live BP by the end of this week.

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Anthony DiComo Verified @AnthonyDiComo · 3m Kodai Senga (shoulder, triceps) threw a 22-pitch live BP session today in Port St. Lucie, Fla., marking his first time facing hitters since early May. Senga will now fly back to New York with an eye toward potentially throwing another live BP by the end of this week.

hopefully timing to slide in for anyone they may decide to move on from before trade deadline. i wouldnt want to move manaea or severino, hopefully quintana has a hot month or so.

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Now has 3 hits

looks like the 3rd was also hard hit, and 4th was only off by 2 mph.

93 mph groundout
108.6 mph 2b
101.8 mph 1b
100.9mph 1b

athletic, hard to strike out, hits ball hard, versatile defensively = solid combination. good style compliment to alvarez, vientos, mauricio, baty too.

To BK

Diego Mosquera transferred from @stluciemets to @FCLMets and Andriel Lantigua from @BKCyclones to @FCLMets #Mets

Hurtado 2 innings 0 walks 0 hits 4 k's last time out. They have really limited his innings (last time out was his first time throwing more than 1.1) we'll see if they let him air it out as the season moves along

Stanley Consuegra promoted to @RumblePoniesBB per @BKCyclones #Mets

Consuegra played a whopping 209 games as member of the Cyclones over parts of 3 seasons. Consuegra along with recently added Duke Ellis will presumably take some of the playing time previously given to recently released Brandon McIIwain #Mets

@fclmets
Hurtado 1.1 innings 3 hits 3 runs 3 walks 2 k's, Ovalles 2.2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 2 walks 0 k's, J-Rod 1-4, 2b, Juan 0-2 BB, Zayas 0-1 BB, Zitella 1-2, BB, De Oleo 0-2, BB,Carlos Oviedo is now 1-32 on the season #Mets

.@SyracuseMets TBD
@RumblePoniesBB Joander Suarez (Coming off an outstanding start, up and down month for JS. 2 strong starts, 2 stinkers)
@BKCyclones Jonathan Pintaro(coming off 6 strong innings, originally signed with @mets mid game!)
@stluciemets TBD
@FCLMets TBD
DSL TBD #Mets

Florida Complex League Mets
@FCLMets
Welcome back, Fuji!

Shintaro Fujinami tossed a 1-2-3 inning, topping out at 98 mph, in his first rehab outing this afternoon.

#LGM

J-Rod 0-1, Mosquera 0-0 BB, Juan 0-1 #Mets

Snoozefest for @FCLMets J-Rod 0-3, BB, K, Juan 0-4, 3 k's. 3 hits total for the team #Mets

Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Carlos Mendoza said it will be “at least four weeks” before Starling Marte is a player for the Mets.

Homers again

In comment 16542676 DanMetroMan said:

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Homers again

Is he playing OF and 2B? Seems like a nice opening for him in RF in MLB right now.

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In comment 16542676 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Homers again Is he playing OF and 2B? Seems like a nice opening for him in RF in MLB right now.

3B last night. Hasn't played a single game in the OF in Syracuse this season.

Sproat and Tong day! + Jack Wenninger who has struck out 77 over 60 innings this season #Mets

Baty back at 2b, Acuna in CF (with Marte out, I'm curious to see if Acuna sees more time in the OF with Syracuse. Somewhat surprised Baty hasn't seen any OF time)

In comment 16543206 DanMetroMan said:

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Baty back at 2b, Acuna in CF (with Marte out, I'm curious to see if Acuna sees more time in the OF with Syracuse. Somewhat surprised Baty hasn't seen any OF time)

He should be rarely playing at 3B for the rest of this year IMO. If Alonso walks, then he can start again there in the spring. Give him work at 2B and RF.

Does Gilbert play CF or is he a corner OF only? If they sign Soto, then you have Nimmo and Soto in the corners and the only opening is CF. Maybe Gilbert/Acuna/Baty/Mauricio could fight it out for the 2B/CF spots in 2025 (assuming Gilbert can play CF).

absolutely can play average CF, some scouts prefer him in a corner where he could be maybe a plus defensive player. I don't think he needs off of CF anytime soon but may do so for an Acuna or Jett Williams but we'll see.

Brett Baty has done it again, his 7th HR. He's 2-4, HR, K, Acuna with 2 hits of his own, 10th caught stealing. Mike Vasil with a strong start 6 innings 6 hits 3 runs 0 walks 5 k's, only 1 walk last time out as well #BabySteps #Mets

another homer today, he could very easily take that job. Also has a strong arm. Nimmo could play Rf.

Baty clearly is too good for AAA, just needs a spot. 2b seems like a much bigger challenge for him than LF, where he's already banked 200+ innings.

In comment 16543375 DanMetroMan said:

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Brett Baty has done it again, his 7th HR. He's 2-4, HR, K, Acuna with 2 hits of his own, 10th caught stealing. Mike Vasil with a strong start 6 innings 6 hits 3 runs 0 walks 5 k's, only 1 walk last time out as well #BabySteps #Mets

going to have to start calling him Ac-june-a.

I understand the desire for prospects to check all boxes clearly, but after a solid month of may he's now on fire in June.

Gamel adds absolutely nothing. Sucks in OF, can't play 2b. I sort of get not wanting to ice Baty or Acuna, but especially in Acuna's case even a short trip up would be a good learning experience to prepare him for what to expect once the real call comes.

Baty's HR Exit Velocity
105.4mph
Distance
406ft
Launch Angle
37deg

Ritter can play all over the field, came into today with an .878 OPS in June with 4 doubles and 7 homers. Why not give him a look?

In comment 16543385 DanMetroMan said:

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Baty's HR Exit Velocity 105.4mph Distance 406ft Launch Angle 37deg

its so annoying that they dont database AAA statcast numbers. im pretty sure both acuna and baty would look really good.

Damn, Fangraphs write up of Kellon Lindsay makes him sound mighty intriguing in the first round for @mets. Do it, do it #Mets

In comment 16543387 DanMetroMan said:

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Ritter can play all over the field, came into today with an .878 OPS in June with 4 doubles and 7 homers. Why not give him a look?

looks like a better call up than gamel.

i just dont see what scenario they see themselves using gamel. you have DJ stewart to face righties. tyrone taylor has reverse splits. it's unlikely they are both playing at the same time.

a tough righty comes in late game to face bader or taylor, are you really putting gamel into that situation? no defense and 0 steals the last couple years so likely 0 base running value.

In comment 16543397 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16543387 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Ritter can play all over the field, came into today with an .878 OPS in June with 4 doubles and 7 homers. Why not give him a look? looks like a better call up than gamel. i just dont see what scenario they see themselves using gamel. you have DJ stewart to face righties. tyrone taylor has reverse splits. it's unlikely they are both playing at the same time. a tough righty comes in late game to face bader or taylor, are you really putting gamel into that situation? no defense and 0 steals the last couple years so likely 0 base running value.

I'm not saying Ritter is some stud but if they don't feel Baty or Acuna are ready, he's a guy who has hit 44 homers since OD 2023, strong walk rate, experience at 1b, 2b, 3b, OF (limited OF experience, 13 games) and quite frankly, what is there to lose?

Brett Baty AGAIN! Second of the game, 8th on the year in Syracuse Exit Velocity
111.7mph
Distance
418ft
Launch Angle
36deg #Mets

1.100 ops in june, red hot right now. more walks than k's this year. hitting .272 despite a low babip.

this is why not calling people up when the chance is there (last year in cortes case) in favor of 30+ year old fodder like gamel drives me nuts.

In comment 16543420 DanMetroMan said:

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Brett Baty AGAIN! Second of the game, 8th on the year in Syracuse Exit Velocity 111.7mph Distance 418ft Launch Angle 36deg #Mets

With Marte on IL there is an almost every day corner OF spot open.

Baty has played 200 innings in a corner.

tell me how this isn't obvious?

Brett Baty with 3 hits (2 homers). His OPS is now up to 1.188 with Syracuse #Mets

In comment 16543421 Eric on Li said:

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1.100 ops in june, red hot right now. more walks than k's this year. hitting .272 despite a low babip. this is why not calling people up when the chance is there (last year in cortes case) in favor of 30+ year old fodder like gamel drives me nuts.

My personal opinion is they do not view Cortes as a viable big league option. He's been placed on the development list 3 times this season and that's usually reserved for players who they don't care about playing or sitting for a while.

2 hits today. Rough month so obviously good to see.

me up at 19

Kellon Lindsey, CF, Hardee Senior HS (FL) – Florida commit

Lindsey ran the fastest 30-yard dash at the Combine in his two attempts, at an ice cold 3.53 and 3.55 seconds; it looked like he teleported from one end of the stanchions to the other. Clemson’s Will Taylor and West Virginia commit Griffin Burkholder had the next fastest couple of times at 3.6 flat, and a few kids ran in the mid 3.6s, but nobody was close to Lindsey, whose infield workout suggests he’ll likely move from shortstop to center field in pro ball.

Don’t be surprised if you hear Lindsey compared to Trea Turner during the next month or so. Like Turner, Lindsey is a skinny speedster with defensive questions and a swing that needs to involve his entire body to generate thump. His BP in Phoenix was impressive and he’s much more physical than Turner was as a high schooler. Lindsey takes a comfortable hack, with bodily connectivity from head to toe. He’s short to the ball with his top hand driving contact, and he showed he could move the barrel around to make consistently flush contact during his session. Because Lindsey didn’t play a ton of showcase ball, the sample of reliable data we have access to is relatively small, meaning there’s substantial variability in projecting his hit tool, especially how he’ll handle breaking balls. But Lindsey thrived in the Combine’s showcase setting and could easily be someone’s multi-million dollar man if they believe he’ll hit. – EL

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Drew Smith is getting an MRI after experiencing forearm tightness, Carlos Mendoza said.

In comment 16543430 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 16543421 Eric on Li said: Quote: 1.100 ops in june, red hot right now. more walks than k's this year. hitting .272 despite a low babip. this is why not calling people up when the chance is there (last year in cortes case) in favor of 30+ year old fodder like gamel drives me nuts. My personal opinion is they do not view Cortes as a viable big league option. He's been placed on the development list 3 times this season and that's usually reserved for players who they don't care about playing or sitting for a while.

agreed, 2 diff regimes made that pretty transparent both years. id personally be much more willing to give guys chances when they arise. even if it's 1 in 100, that's better odds than the ben gamels of the world.

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Tim Healey @timbhealey Drew Smith is getting an MRI after experiencing forearm tightness, Carlos Mendoza said.

I'd call up Wilkin Ramos but my guess is Adcock would get the first call.

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In comment 16543457 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Tim Healey @timbhealey Drew Smith is getting an MRI after experiencing forearm tightness, Carlos Mendoza said. I'd call up Wilkin Ramos but my guess is Adcock would get the first call.

Sulser the other obvious option

promoted, FCL

In comment 16543472 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 16543465 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 16543457 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Tim Healey @timbhealey Drew Smith is getting an MRI after experiencing forearm tightness, Carlos Mendoza said. I'd call up Wilkin Ramos but my guess is Adcock would get the first call. Sulser the other obvious option

I would consider using Houser more in relief and bring up Jose Butto as a long man

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In comment 16543457 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Tim Healey @timbhealey Drew Smith is getting an MRI after experiencing forearm tightness, Carlos Mendoza said. I'd call up Wilkin Ramos but my guess is Adcock would get the first call.

Adcock it is

What a game by Tong tonight!

Games been at 2nd?

If so anyone comment on how he looks?

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Games been at 2nd? If so anyone comment on how he looks?

Baty has played 4 games at 2B. I watched most of 2 of them. Can’t say he’s had a ton of tough plays and he looks mostly as you’d expect. Somewhat robotic but I also always thought Murphy looked robotic at 2B and he made it work well enough. I would have given Baty OF reps vs. 2B but I don’t think it’s impossible he becomes a viable 2B option if your expectations are closer to “playable” vs. a defensive asset. He’s a hard worker and turned himself into a solid 3B so I don’t doubt with time he has a “shot” at 2B but 4 games is still only 4 games.

Adrian Houser since 5/26- 8 appearances 1.31 era/2.67 FIP

In comment 16543900 DanMetroMan said:

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Adrian Houser since 5/26- 8 appearances 1.31 era/2.67 FIP

We all said that's where he belongs. Glad the Mets realized this. The fans do know what's going on, as much as they think we don't.

.@SyracuseMets TBD
@RumblePoniesBB Brandon Sproat (coming off his worst start of the season)
@BKCyclones Kade Morris
@stlucie Edgar Moreta #Mets

Up to 100 last night and didn't allow a run.

Debut for Daiverson Gutierrez batting 5th today.

Hasn’t missed bats over his last 2 starts. By design? Or hitters getting the book on him? Something to watch going forward.

like Jim Bowden?

He seems pretty dialed in on in the league. Really enjoy his perspective.

also FWIW, he thinks Mets should sell. would build the system to the level of the 2016 Astros and prep for a long run.

also screw appleTV. that is all...

*do you guys like Jim Bowden?*

Bowden is awful and doesn't know sh*t.

but his personal analysis of stuff usually sucks. he's also usually sloppy on details when he's not reporting something someone specifically told him.

so net/net he's hit or miss.

calling up major prospect James Wood on Monday for our series against them.

threw a combined no hitter.

But they are only 2 games out of wild card and if you squint you can envision Senga, Severino, and Manea or Scott potentially stealing a series. If there is a massive demand I get trading for assets but I cannot picture Cohen would ever be supportive of that if the bags are still rolling.

for Smith

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But they are only 2 games out of wild card and if you squint you can envision Senga, Severino, and Manea or Scott potentially stealing a series. If there is a massive demand I get trading for assets but I cannot picture Cohen would ever be supportive of that if the bags are still rolling.

I feel like Scott could be on a innings limit by then. So they would have to get it from Q.

2023 Texas (AA) = 84g,402 pas, 7 hr, 68 runs, 27 2b/3b, 42 steals, 19% k rate, 9% walks
2024 Mets (AAA) = 74g, 342 pas 5 hr, 60 runs, 16 2b/3b, 26 steals, 16% k rate, 7% walks

batting average in AA was .315 with an unsustainable .381 babip.
batting average in AAA is .270 with a more normal .314 babip.

2b/3b is the only stat category where there's marked regression. i think thats more negatively descriptive of performance than the batting avg. thats why the iso this year is .111, was .138. not sure if texas league is a little inflating? either way good to see improvement on his post trade numbers in AA last year though esp at a higher level. obviously trending in the right direction.

Marco Vargas activated, Joseph Yabbour promoted to @stluciemets, Carlos Guzman to @SyracuseMets #Mets .

Did they convert him full time now? No ABs for 10 days since June 20.

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Did they convert him full time now? No ABs for 10 days since June 20.

I haven’t seen them announce that anywhere but it is/was a forgone conclusion . 10/63 with 36 k’s in Bing

In comment 16546319 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 16546296 GF1080 said: Quote: Did they convert him full time now? No ABs for 10 days since June 20. I haven’t seen them announce that anywhere but it is/was a forgone conclusion . 10/63 with 36 k’s in Bing

Yeah I thought they would wait until the off-season but since he was so bad maybe they pulled the plug. Could be a AB rest and re-set as well I suppose.

Dan - Can you please start a new monthly thread for this month today please when you get a chance? Thanks in advance.

Syracuse at Buffalo --

Acuna played CF, went 1 for 3 and his hard-hit single drove in the tying run in the top of the 8th.

Baty, batting 2nd, went 0 for 3 with a K, against the same BUF pitcher (Sanchez) the Mets roughed up last Tuesday, this time he held the Mets to 1 hit over 7 innings.

Baty played 2B and his error in the bottom of the 8th opened the flood gates for a 5 run uprising to clinch the loss.
Why is Baty playing 2B ? He should be in a corner OF spot.

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