DSL Season begins on Monday, some bookkeeping
06/01/24 RHP Johan Moreno assigned to DSL Mets Blue.
06/01/24 RHP Leyvi Rodriguez assigned to DSL Mets Blue.
06/01/24 LHP Wilmer Lugo assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 RHP Deivy Victora assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 LHP Darling Felix assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 RHP Luisner Lopez assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 RHP Jermayne Verdu assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 RHP Deivy Victora assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 LHP Wilmer Lugo assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 LHP Darling Felix assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 RHP Luisner Lopez assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 RHP Jermayne Verdu assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
AAA
Choi granted his release
Acuna 1-3, BB
Ritter 0-3 BB, 3 k's
Bannon 2-4
Thomas 1-4
Hamel 5 innings 5 hits 2 runs 3 walks 3 k's (Awful era and too many walks but I still believe he's a big league arm, likely a RP)
Drew Smith (rehab) 1 perfect
Bing
Rudick 1-4
Parada 0-4
McLean 2-4, HR, 2b
Clifford 0-3,BB, 3 k's (He's been very disappointing, no two ways about it)
Stuart 5 innings 7 hits 3 runs 2 walks 6 k's (another likely big leaguer but RPer)
McLoughlin 1.2 innings 2 walks (1.15 era on the season)
Gervase 0.2 innings 2 hits 4 runs 3 walks 2 k's (yuck)
BK
Morabito 0-4, 3 k's
Lorusso 0-3, BB, SB, 2 k's (should be in Bing)
Suero 1-4, 2 k's
Orellana 2.1 innings 4 hits 2 runs 1 walk 1 k (first poor outing of the season)
Julian Smith *organizational debut* 0.2 perfect
St.Lucie
Baro 3-5, 2b, K
Baez 0-4, 2 k's
Hernandez 1-4
Houck 1-4, 2b, K (awful first 2 months)
Rosa 0-4, 2 k's
Fanas 1-3, BB
Gomez 5 innings 7 hits 2 runs 3 walks 4 k's (One to watch)
Ammons 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 2 k's
FCL
J-Rod 2-6, BB, K, 2 CS
Ewing 2-4, 2 2B, 2 BB, 2 k's (1.008 OPS on the season)
Zitella 3-5, 2 2B, 2 k's (Hitting .349)
Juan 4-4, HR, 2 BB (monster game came into the game 2 for his last 33, talk about a slump buster)
Cota 4 innings 2 hits 2 runs 1 walk 9 k's
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Pete Alonso is more Mercedes-Benz than Rolls-Royce these days, as I’m pretty convinced his best days are already behind him at age 29. He has a 121 wRC+ since the beginning of last season, down from 137 he posted over his first four years. A righty first base-only is a risky proposition in free agency, and his lack of positional flexibility will dampen his trade value as well. He’s undoubtedly an impact bat who lengthens any lineup, and despite his dip in production, he’s still one of the game’s great home run hitters. The thing is, he’s no longer in that upper echelon of dangerous, all-around hitters.
For that reason, along with the fact that he’s on an expiring contract, the Mets shouldn’t expect a package of multiple top prospects for him. I think he’ll get a return closer to the one the Orioles got for Trey Mancini two deadlines ago. The Mets could, of course, make a trade more enticing by paying down some of Alonso’s salary. As it stands, whichever team acquires him will have to pay about $6.8 million for the remainder of the season. Link - ( New Window )
this is why i think the odds of a trade are low. 3 recent met picks right in the range of the 4th rd QO comp pick were i think tong, ewing, and scott. low isn't impossible and maybe someone puts a really good package on the table that's meaningfully better than rolling the dice on the QO, but id say it's probably unlikely.
unless they just want to move on and have no interest in bringing him back at all, i think the move is to take a run at alonso for an extension during the ASB. id offer something like the 3x80m gtd bellinger got, and maybe dress it up with some easy to reach vesting years.
I'm not sure that trading him precludes the ability of the Mets to sign him. It's clear it's very unlikely he signs before hitting UFA, especially given him diminished value currently. IMO, it's also clear he's going to the high bidder. Do we think he'll take less money from other team if Mets are top bidder just because Mets dealt him to SEA for 2 months? I doubt it, if anything, he'll be appreciative not to have the QO to deal with.
I think best path forward is to hold on for another 4-5 weeks, see if he gets really hot and raises his value (and maybe if Mets can make an unlikely run for WC3) and move him for the best offer unless he slumps so bad that it's not worth dealing him.
so i think the bigger question is what are mets willing to offer him early? because almost anything 3 years or longer i think there's a good chance he'd take.
the idea of trading him and then signing him back seems unlikely to me. keeping him and giving him a QO will make it easier to resign him and make him less attractive on the open market to other teams.
so if you are trading him you need to be comfortable that he is probably gone for good because if a team is giving up a good return for him that's way beyond what a QO will bring them, they are likely planning to try to extend him.
If you trust FG value estimates, most years of his career the QO would be lower than the value he creates so it would be fine if he accepted it, but he is not projected to be worth it so far this year. Of course he could heat up, but as of right now I'd rather trade him (even for an underwhelming return) than offer the QO and risk he accepts it. but I guess that wouldn't be the worst thing either since it's not long-term.
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If you trust FG value estimates, most years of his career the QO would be lower than the value he creates so it would be fine if he accepted it, but he is not projected to be worth it so far this year. Of course he could heat up, but as of right now I'd rather trade him (even for an underwhelming return) than offer the QO and risk he accepts it. but I guess that wouldn't be the worst thing either since it's not long-term.
he'd make basically the same amount he is making this year on QO. unless he tanks somehow i doubt he accepts. 3 wins via FA = $24-27m (last year he was 2.9 which was his worst season though this year he's trending under that, albeit he currently has the same 121 wrc).
Doesn't he have a son named Vladimir on the Blue Jays? he has a son named Vladi and Vladimir?
They have a huge need at 1B and Mets could maybe package Alonso and a starter to go over there for a nice return. Problem is that they have a similar record to our Mets (although about 30 runs better in run differential), so they really need to get hot soon to be true buyers at the deadline.
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a potential trade partner for the Mets on paper
They have a huge need at 1B and Mets could maybe package Alonso and a starter to go over there for a nice return. Problem is that they have a similar record to our Mets (although about 30 runs better in run differential), so they really need to get hot soon to be true buyers at the deadline.
To that end, Brown said the front office would like to bring in another bat, preferably a left-handed hitter. Houston is down to Kyle Tucker, Yordan Alvarez and Jon Singleton as lefty hitters on the MLB roster. Backup catcher Victor Caratini is a switch-hitter, while lefty-swinging rookie Joey Loperfido was optioned to Triple-A when José Abreu returned to the MLB roster last week.
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Vladi Guerrero (son of Vlad) strikes out swinging to begin his pro career #Mets
Doesn't he have a son named Vladimir on the Blue Jays? he has a son named Vladi and Vladimir?
Yes. Vladimir Guerrero Ramos Jr. and Vladi Guerrero
what do you like from houston better than what the QO (plus the benefit of using QO to help a negotiation) could return? Hunter Brown appears to be getting lit up but i remember hoping for him last year for JV.
i know guys like tong/scott are sort of best case draft picks but ewing seems like a solid (vargas-ish level?) prospect too. their top prospect melton seems like a solid but unexciting get (kiley comps him to reddick below) but id imagine they may not do that since their system is pretty shallow (kiley had their system 27th preseason with Melton their only top 100).
Type: Power/speed sleeper in the 2022 draft has turned the corner into likely good big leaguer
Melton was a secondary pick to click in the 2022 draft who was No. 26 in my final pre-draft rankings, but he lasted until the 64th pick and signed for a bit below slot. The concerns were clear when he came out of Oregon State: His swing needed work, he didn't face top-notch competition and he might not be a center fielder. He's still iffy in center field despite plus speed but his plus raw power is showing up in games (23 homers in 2023), his speed is showing up on the bases (46 stolen bases) and he's hitting enough to let it all work (.245/.334/.467 line).
I think a median projection is something like Josh Reddick (a lefty, power-over-hit corner outfielder with some defensive value), who posted 20 career WAR while never stealing more than 11 bases in a season.
mets system is deep enough right now i think id either be looking for high end arm talent or low level big upside j-rods. depth players without loud tools just seem like a waste, id rather have the draft picks where they can pick upside players and start stocking the lower levels for the future as the acunas/jett/clifford/gilbert types rise/graduate.
He's arguably been THE story SP wise in the minors. 6'1 280, Tugboat Wilkinson. Scouts aren't huge on his pure stuff but so far the results have been ridiculous. 50.1 innings 87 k's
really good point about gross. quick takes on the guys you mentioned (looking up most for first time):
Matthews - sounds exciting, i want "exciting" athletes so id be good with him as a headliner.
baez - kind of meh, i like guys who light up trackman and i guess you can never have enough power corners, but those arent hard to just pay for in FA.
loperfido - remember him from last year, still sort of feel the same way about him unless something has changed, seems higher floor/lower ceiling role player type. dont like the k-rate. don't feel like we need another somewhat flawed young guy to have to try to develop now either since next year's roster probably features at least 3 young regulars and maybe as many as 5 or 6.
diaz is interesting. that is the type of player id be more excited to roll dice on than upper level if you have someone like gross who knows/likes him.
thank u as usual dmm, if they could get a matthews + diaz package that's the type of deal id be pretty excited about and view as sufficiently more than the QO return.
strategically i think that's the best way to add to the system right now.
next year they are likely to be carrying at least 3 of alvarez, vientos, baty, mauricio. that's maybe 1/3 of the every day lineup, before accounting for acuna, gilbert, jett, whoever.
on the pitching side it may be even more glaring. scott, tidwell, butto, peterson, megill, vasil, sproat, etc. if there are 3 homegrown players in the rotation, that's more than half of it.
and realistically nobody is trading upper minors players with higher upsides than those groups for rentals.
so id argue it's more important for sustainability to fully stock the minors behind that wave of players so there is depth 2-3 years down the road.
so i am looking to add as many j-rod, vargas types as i can in the 17/18 year old group as opposed to 23-25 year old AA/AAA guys who are higher floor and lower ceiling. bonus babies and top tier athletes. that's what im looking for.
Could be a spot for Severino or Manaea
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Edwin Diaz threw a bullpen today, and could pitch in a minor league game Thursday.
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Edwin Diaz threw a bullpen today, and could pitch in a minor league game Thursday.
Giving him some time in the minors to be hopefully dominant and regain confidence might be the best thing for him.
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Brooklyn you have your No Hitter. Dakota Hawkins - 5 innings, Joey Lancellotti 1 inning & Joshua Cornielly 3 innings with Francisco Alvarez behind the plate - for the 1st
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9 inning no hitter in their history. Awesome. Hawkins has arguably been
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Caught a combined no hitter as well. Yeah I think they just wanted him in NY.
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Bay Sox are in MD.
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went 1 for 3 with a walk. do we think they sent him to BKL just to keep him in close proximity to the big club? BNG was playing @ bay sox in MA today, CUSE playing in MN.
Bay Sox are in MD.
same difference, road game not in NY. why send him down a level if not to keep him in NY, presumably bc they are considering putting him on a plane to London?
maybe not unrelated, but seems like having a 3rd catcher and extra power bat wouldn't be the worst use of an extra spot for a game abroad since the P staff should be rested with the travel days:
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Teams get a 27th player for the London Series. The Mets are leaning toward an extra position player for the two games.
Nolan McLean had two bad innings for vs Bay Sox last night, but still gave Bing 5 innings with 8 K's. Learning experience.
missed that, wonder why they changed his rehab venue then? maybe just a convenience thing for the player since he presumably lives somewhere nearby and gives him less travel during the season?
BA just updated their top 100 and now sproat/tidwell both in there. think the other 4 are jett, acuna, gilbert, jrod?
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New Mets additions to
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94. RHP Blade Tidwell
97. RHP Brandon Sproat
The Mets have 6 of their updated top 100
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reported it won't be Alvarez, unless something has changed he's not going to London but could be back as soon as they return. Mendoza also said Alvarez wouldn't be back until the next homestand.
missed that, wonder why they changed his rehab venue then? maybe just a convenience thing for the player since he presumably lives somewhere nearby and gives him less travel during the season?
BA just updated their top 100 and now sproat/tidwell both in there. think the other 4 are jett, acuna, gilbert, jrod?
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New Mets additions to
@BaseballAmerica
‘s top 100 prospects:
94. RHP Blade Tidwell
97. RHP Brandon Sproat
The Mets have 6 of their updated top 100
J-Rod didn't make the list. Scott, Jett, Acuna, Gilbert, Tidwell, Sproat
No Acuna
No Acuna
duh forgot scott, that's interesting they still have mauricio over acuna.
hadnt thought about that but despite the injury if i had to choose between 1 of them to include in a trade, that's a tough call. mauricio obviously has the much louder bat so i think i would be a little more hesitant to move him.
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The Astros announced that both Cristian Javier and José Urquidy are undergoing "elbow surgery" and are out for the remainder of the season. Urquidy is having his today. Javier, as reported yesterday, will have his on Thursday.
Any chance J-Rod sees Brooklyn this year?
Best Mets prospects not on the list (each of whom can get o the top 100 with a very strong rest of the season) would be:
J-Rod
Acuna
Mclean
Clifford
Anyone really notable and obvious that I'm missing?
Gilbert, Williams, Sproat, Tidwell, Jeremy Rodriguez, Mauricio, Scott will almost certainly graduate. Sleeper would probably be Jesus Baez. McLean has little to no shot given his likely extremely low innings limit and good but not "outstanding" numbers.