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DanMetroMan : 6/1/2024 10:45 am
DSL Season begins on Monday, some bookkeeping

06/01/24 RHP Johan Moreno assigned to DSL Mets Blue.
06/01/24 RHP Leyvi Rodriguez assigned to DSL Mets Blue.
06/01/24 LHP Wilmer Lugo assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 RHP Deivy Victora assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 LHP Darling Felix assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 RHP Luisner Lopez assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 RHP Jermayne Verdu assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 RHP Deivy Victora assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 LHP Wilmer Lugo assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 LHP Darling Felix assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 RHP Luisner Lopez assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.
06/01/24 RHP Jermayne Verdu assigned to DSL Mets Blue from DSL Mets Orange.


AAA
Choi granted his release
Acuna 1-3, BB
Ritter 0-3 BB, 3 k's
Bannon 2-4
Thomas 1-4

Hamel 5 innings 5 hits 2 runs 3 walks 3 k's (Awful era and too many walks but I still believe he's a big league arm, likely a RP)
Drew Smith (rehab) 1 perfect


Bing
Rudick 1-4
Parada 0-4
McLean 2-4, HR, 2b
Clifford 0-3,BB, 3 k's (He's been very disappointing, no two ways about it)

Stuart 5 innings 7 hits 3 runs 2 walks 6 k's (another likely big leaguer but RPer)
McLoughlin 1.2 innings 2 walks (1.15 era on the season)
Gervase 0.2 innings 2 hits 4 runs 3 walks 2 k's (yuck)


BK
Morabito 0-4, 3 k's
Lorusso 0-3, BB, SB, 2 k's (should be in Bing)
Suero 1-4, 2 k's

Orellana 2.1 innings 4 hits 2 runs 1 walk 1 k (first poor outing of the season)
Julian Smith *organizational debut* 0.2 perfect

St.Lucie
Baro 3-5, 2b, K
Baez 0-4, 2 k's
Hernandez 1-4
Houck 1-4, 2b, K (awful first 2 months)
Rosa 0-4, 2 k's
Fanas 1-3, BB

Gomez 5 innings 7 hits 2 runs 3 walks 4 k's (One to watch)
Ammons 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 2 k's

FCL
J-Rod 2-6, BB, K, 2 CS
Ewing 2-4, 2 2B, 2 BB, 2 k's (1.008 OPS on the season)
Zitella 3-5, 2 2B, 2 k's (Hitting .349)
Juan 4-4, HR, 2 BB (monster game came into the game 2 for his last 33, talk about a slump buster)
Cota 4 innings 2 hits 2 runs 1 walk 9 k's
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RE: RE: Lee  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2024 3:49 pm : link
In comment 16532102 KDavies said:
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In comment 16532086 DanMetroMan said:


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was ranked the #61 prospect in baseball going into 2019, there was obviously no 2020 minor league season and was traded to the Mets in 2021, so he unarguably would be a top 50 prospect in the Mets system right now without hindsight telling us he would flame out and was a moron.



The list GF provided said it was from Jan 2022. 2021 he went 8-18 in SBs in AAA, and struck out 13 out of 18 ABs in his major league debut. Much of his luster was off by then.

IMO, I would rank Morabito and Parada right now ahead of where I would have Lee in Jan. 2022. And that's not with hindsight


Khalil Lee posted a 162 wRC+ with 14 homers and 8 steals in AAA in 2021 over 102 games. 18.3% BB rate, this is very much revisionist to suggest a player with that line wouldn't be in the Mets *top 50* c'mon, that's just ridiculous.

RE: RE: Lee  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2024 3:53 pm : link
In comment 16532104 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16532086 DanMetroMan said:


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was ranked the #61 prospect in baseball going into 2019, there was obviously no 2020 minor league season and was traded to the Mets in 2021, so he unarguably would be a top 50 prospect in the Mets system right now without hindsight telling us he would flame out and was a moron.



if we went by healthy and performing pretending baty/alvarez/mauricio were out, Lee, Vientos, Ramirez would have probably been the 3 we were talking about most at this point 2 years ago. Lee tanked obviously but 2 years ago he was 23 and i think at some point during the year his numbers in AAA were at least passable.

with the system like that it's no wonder mangum got hyped lol.


Red flags and all, we'd be talking about him a whole lot in 2021 with a 162 wRC+, 18.2 BB% even with his perceived "4th OFer" likely ceiling. He LED the league in wRC+ and OBP. He wasn't just "good", he led the league in both categories. 4th in OPS, 11th in slugging. He had an outstanding season and was only 23 at the time. Clearly, that didn't translate to MLB success.
Senger  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2024 3:56 pm : link
would have had to have continue to hit to be in the mix, and that obviously didn't happen. BP was unusually high on him for some reason (thought he would be taken Rule 5 etc) but his upside was always backup C ala Tomas Nido-level so yeah if Ronald Hernandez was the last catcher to make FG's list (at 35) then no Senger would not likely have been top 50
in 2021, Lee was a 24 year old  
KDavies : 6/6/2024 3:56 pm : link
who showed he couldn't steal bases above AA. 8 steals? With 10 CS? That's terrible for a guy whose speed was one of his main assets. And he showed serious contact issues at the MLB level (which was one of the main concerns about him). Wasn't high on his profile then, and he's certainly done nothing to prove me wrong.
and really, way too much thought I wanted to even put into Lee  
KDavies : 6/6/2024 4:00 pm : link
but the point is how drastically improved the Mets farm is in just 2 1/2 years. Senger, you just said wouldn't be in your top 50. Even if Lee would, he would be where after 2021? Significantly lower than 7
Khalil  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2024 4:00 pm : link
Lee was 23 years old in 2021 and again led the league in wRC+ and OPS. He would have been top 50 any way you want to slice it, poor SB% and all.

.274/.451/.500 with a 162 wRC+ as a 23 year old in the IL makes 100% of top 50 lists, including the best system in baseball.
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RE: and really, way too much thought I wanted to even put into Lee  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2024 4:03 pm : link
In comment 16532117 KDavies said:
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but the point is how drastically improved the Mets farm is in just 2 1/2 years. Senger, you just said wouldn't be in your top 50. Even if Lee would, he would be where after 2021? Significantly lower than 7


Senger stopped hitting and even at his best likely wasn't a starter so unless you really loved the glove there wasn't much of a top 50 argument but if Luis Alvarez, a 21 year old RHP with a career line of 13.1 innings 18 hits 17 walks 14 k's 11.48 era comes in at #38 (yes really), then beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Nobody is taking Luis Alvarez over Nick Morabito.
Luis R. Rodriguez  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2024 4:05 pm : link
was ranked #39... he's now had TJ twice and will be 22 in December. Some of these lists are "look at me, I got that random pull right!". There is no downside for the writer.
de Oca was another weird one  
KDavies : 6/6/2024 4:09 pm : link
coming off TJ at 28. Could still be a servicable reliever, but weird to have above the likes of Parada and Morabito.

Though Nunez was on there at 28 years old, and he's looked the part.
RE: de Oca was another weird one  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2024 4:13 pm : link
In comment 16532126 KDavies said:
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coming off TJ at 28. Could still be a servicable reliever, but weird to have above the likes of Parada and Morabito.

Though Nunez was on there at 28 years old, and he's looked the part.


De Oca could be back in late July (he too has had TJ twice)
W0w  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2024 4:14 pm : link
Nathan Martorella pre-trade to Miami (.292/.393/.427, 15.0 BB%, 15.9% K% 130 wRC+), heads to Miami in the Arraez trade (.208/.234/.277, 2.8 BB%, 21.5% K% 52 wRC+)
,  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2024 5:20 pm : link
Estarling Mercado posted an .891 OPS in May. Came into 2024 with *11* professional AB's
HRs  
GF1080 : 6/6/2024 10:11 pm : link
From Clifford and Baez tonight.
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/7/2024 10:13 am : link
Jonah Tong goes today looking to bounce back from an extremely rough/short outing last time out for
@BKCyclones
, Joander Suarez for
@RumblePoniesBB
Hamel/Vasil  
GF1080 : 6/7/2024 10:28 am : link
Struggling big time at AAA still. Vasil almost a full year at AAA and Hamel his first go around. When do they try them in the pen? I think Hamel's stuff would play up a little more than Vasil but they might need to make the move soon especially with Scott/Tidwell/Sproat full ahead of them in the rotation pecking order at this point.
As DMM  
GF1080 : 6/7/2024 10:32 am : link
mentioned in the other thread I'd like to see Thompson or Ritter get a chance here. I'm sick of DJ and want to see someone new.
RE: HRs  
Eric on Li : 6/7/2024 11:06 am : link
In comment 16532311 GF1080 said:
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From Clifford and Baez tonight.


Clifford's iso in AA is now back to where he was in A+ with Houston last year (.267). Guess he just really hated Brooklyn. His 4 homers/4 doubles (8 xbh) in 19 games at AA are pacing well ahead of his 7 homers (+ 10 doubles) in 63 games in Brooklyn over the 2 seasons. the K-rate is too high and his BABIP is .200, so there are contact issues but for him to have value it starts with the power showing up and a 60+ xbh pace over a season is good.

baez descending k-rates as his power increases is a good look too. he's hitting .268 but with a .290 babip, and as a high ev guy with some assumed speed since he has 8 steals (?), there's nothing that lucky looking in his statline.
RE: RE: HRs  
GF1080 : 6/7/2024 11:14 am : link
In comment 16532493 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16532311 GF1080 said:


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From Clifford and Baez tonight.



Clifford's iso in AA is now back to where he was in A+ with Houston last year (.267). Guess he just really hated Brooklyn. His 4 homers/4 doubles (8 xbh) in 19 games at AA are pacing well ahead of his 7 homers (+ 10 doubles) in 63 games in Brooklyn over the 2 seasons. the K-rate is too high and his BABIP is .200, so there are contact issues but for him to have value it starts with the power showing up and a 60+ xbh pace over a season is good.

baez descending k-rates as his power increases is a good look too. he's hitting .268 but with a .290 babip, and as a high ev guy with some assumed speed since he has 8 steals (?), there's nothing that lucky looking in his statline.


Baez really seems like the real deal. I would think they'll get him to Brooklyn soon with all these numbers but maybe they want him to work on his D or something.

Clifford looking better at AA even though the BA isn't currently due to the K issues and low BABIP. The last few games he's starting to strike out less so let's see if this continues. Let's also not forget he's only 20 so if he needs a full year at AA he is still young for the league so wouldn't be a big deal to me if he is still there at this time next season. There's a good deal of projection in the bat but you can see the tools are there and he might be someone who need to move a little slow as he puts it together.
here's a fun question,  
Rory : 6/7/2024 11:34 am : link
if the Mets are looking to do some prospect swapping at the deadline who would be candidate?
RE: here's a fun question,  
Eric on Li : 6/7/2024 12:17 pm : link
In comment 16532501 Rory said:
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if the Mets are looking to do some prospect swapping at the deadline who would be candidate?


is the question who is trade bait?

right now if mets were buyers, it would probably be of relief pitching, which fortunately isn't usually that expensive. i.e. robertson last year cost vargas. and if the RP in question is expensive, the price could even less like Iglesias a few years ago.

the guys id be willing to dangle if they were buying would be the former higher ranked guys who are struggling hoping to find another gm willing to roll the dice on prior pedigree like parada and ramirez. vasil/jarvis are 2 tradeable arms that have had some buzz before. for a really good RP with multiple years of control i'd consider trading houck.

if they had some kind of big deal they wanted to do for a player they cant otherwise get, let's say they love luzardo, that's the type of deal id be willing to include baty in as a headliner. but i dont personally think they should do that type of deal. id just plan to sign fried or burnes in the offseason and keep baty.

i havent looked deeply at who may be avail on the trade market as buyers (for obvious reasons) but in terms of every day players i dont think id be shopping for anything beyond bench upgrades. and i would probably be trying to sell marte.
RE: here's a fun question,  
GF1080 : 6/7/2024 12:50 pm : link
In comment 16532501 Rory said:
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if the Mets are looking to do some prospect swapping at the deadline who would be candidate?


Prospect for prospect? That's usually when a player is underwhelming and the same can be said for a prospect in another org doing the same. That list would start with Parada.
Looking  
DanMetroMan : 6/7/2024 1:50 pm : link
more and more like Ramirez is a non-prospect. Off-season DFA candidate at this point.

Walk rate down, k rate up, ISO nearly identical to last season. Coming up on almost 200 games of this level of production. Would not be surprised to see him moved in a very minor trade to a team that believes they can fix his swing
RE: Looking  
Eric on Li : 6/7/2024 2:29 pm : link
In comment 16532595 DanMetroMan said:
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more and more like Ramirez is a non-prospect. Off-season DFA candidate at this point.

Walk rate down, k rate up, ISO nearly identical to last season. Coming up on almost 200 games of this level of production. Would not be surprised to see him moved in a very minor trade to a team that believes they can fix his swing


would think if the mets are trying to add a mark canha type, there will be a team out there willing to consider him jarvis-ish. or maybe more of an eduardo escobar/dominic leone type of move. a replacement level type depth player.
perfect world would be getting a solid late game rp for pupu platter  
Eric on Li : 6/7/2024 2:34 pm : link
kind of like a reverse of the addison reed/jeurys familia trades in those seasons.

vasil, ramirez, hamel or something like that for a legitimate RP.

i dont remember what atlanta gave up for iglesias beyond eating his money, but im pretty sure it was less than that. not sure there is any team out there desperate enough to dump that much $ though.
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DanMetroMan : 6/7/2024 2:38 pm : link
Tim Healey
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Jett Williams had surgery on his right wrist Thursday, the Mets announced. They called it a “TFCC debridement procedure.”

They say it usually takes 8-10 weeks to return from that.
RE: .  
GF1080 : 6/7/2024 2:40 pm : link
In comment 16532647 DanMetroMan said:
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Tim Healey
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Jett Williams had surgery on his right wrist Thursday, the Mets announced. They called it a “TFCC debridement procedure.”

They say it usually takes 8-10 weeks to return from that.


Killer.
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 6/7/2024 2:47 pm : link
In comment 16532647 DanMetroMan said:
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Tim Healey
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Jett Williams had surgery on his right wrist Thursday, the Mets announced. They called it a “TFCC debridement procedure.”

They say it usually takes 8-10 weeks to return from that.


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Triangular fibrocartilage complex injuries are common in amateur and professional sports. These injuries are mainly caused by acute or chronic repetitive axial loads on the wrist, particularly on the ulnar side and in association with rotations or radial/ulnar deviations.


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Conservative measures are often used as first line treatment when possible. Peripheral lesions are treated by arthroscopic repair, whilst central lesions are treated by arthroscopic debridement. Further procedures (such as the Wafer procedure, ulnar osteotomies, etc.) have specific indications and great implications with regard to rehabilitation.


hopefully this is a simple cleanup procedure that solves it. bummer for sure but hopefully he can at least get some game action in late season.
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DanMetroMan : 6/7/2024 3:02 pm : link

Jett Williams
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Thank you for family friends, and fans for everything!! Dr, Sheridan did a great job expecting to be ready to go here soon!! God has a plan and we will be have soon!! Proverbs 3:5-6
this definitely wasnt plan A or B but it seems like  
Eric on Li : 6/7/2024 3:45 pm : link
they gave him max time to let it resolve on it's own before this year would turn into a total bust. hopefully he gets a month or so at the end of the year that sets him up to start strong next year.

he could be a fall league candidate too right? in which case the regular season can almost be setup for that, which is generally considered good comp level right? like AA+?
RE: this definitely wasnt plan A or B but it seems like  
GF1080 : 6/7/2024 3:49 pm : link
In comment 16532710 Eric on Li said:
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they gave him max time to let it resolve on it's own before this year would turn into a total bust. hopefully he gets a month or so at the end of the year that sets him up to start strong next year.

he could be a fall league candidate too right? in which case the regular season can almost be setup for that, which is generally considered good comp level right? like AA+?


I'd have to think he will 100% be the perfect candidate for AFL this year to get more ABs. Lately I think it's been about high A-AA level.
Brooklyn on SNY  
GF1080 : 6/7/2024 7:15 pm : link
Tong struck out the side in the 1st.
side note: is anyone kind of pissed that  
Rory : 6/7/2024 8:04 pm : link
Yankees Dodgers is only on AppleTv tonight. I already used the free 2 month voucher, so I can't do that again. With no Mets on tonight, I was looking forward to watching this game.

meanwhile MLBtv which I do have wont cover the London game tomorrow.

Like what the fck

We are about 3 years away from playoffs/championship games being exclusive to streaming services.
RE: side note: is anyone kind of pissed that  
GF1080 : 6/7/2024 9:40 pm : link
In comment 16532811 Rory said:
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Yankees Dodgers is only on AppleTv tonight. I already used the free 2 month voucher, so I can't do that again. With no Mets on tonight, I was looking forward to watching this game.

meanwhile MLBtv which I do have wont cover the London game tomorrow.

Like what the fck

We are about 3 years away from playoffs/championship games being exclusive to streaming services.


It's on YES. For Comcast at least.
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DanMetroMan : 6/9/2024 1:58 pm : link
Nolan McLean done after 2.2 innings. 3 hits 2 runs 0 walks 6 k's. Hopefully, workload-related #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 6/9/2024 2:06 pm : link
In comment 16533403 DanMetroMan said:
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Nolan McLean done after 2.2 innings. 3 hits 2 runs 0 walks 6 k's. Hopefully, workload-related #Mets


McLean pitched Tuesday. No injury today
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DanMetroMan : 6/9/2024 2:45 pm : link
Chris Suero 1-1, HR. 6/22 in June with 2 homers, 2b, and 6 walks #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 6/9/2024 2:49 pm : link
Francisco Alvarez 0-2, 0/1 throwing. Dakota Hawkins keeps rolling. 3 scoreless, 1 hit, 1 k. Era down to 3.19 #Mets
Hoping  
GF1080 : 6/10/2024 9:33 am : link
Reimer pops up in Brooklyn this week or next.
looks like the clifford power surge continues  
Eric on Li : 6/10/2024 9:52 am : link
he is hitting 64% flyballs since getting promoted to bing, which is pretty high so there will likely be some regression though that could also help raise his batting average some since his BABIP is .184.

his hr/fb% isn't wildly lucky right now though you can see at A+ it was wildly below the rest of his averages. looks like promoting him was the right decision.



now has 9 total XBH in 22 AA games after posting 7 in 31 games at A+ and 10 in 32 games at A+ last year. his current 70+ xbh pace would be very good obviously, though better if he could bring down the k's and increase the batting avg. duda's best year was 60 xbh.
Clifford  
GF1080 : 6/10/2024 10:01 am : link
I'm not sure if he'll ever hit for a good average but with that low BABIP if he can get to the .250 range with that power that would be more than enough to play. I keep him in AA all year and let him get some confidence back after getting out of Brooklyn. He really did hate it there it seems.
RE: Clifford  
Eric on Li : 6/10/2024 10:15 am : link
In comment 16533807 GF1080 said:
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I'm not sure if he'll ever hit for a good average but with that low BABIP if he can get to the .250 range with that power that would be more than enough to play. I keep him in AA all year and let him get some confidence back after getting out of Brooklyn. He really did hate it there it seems.


if we normalized his hr/fb% to 20% at a+, he'd have hit 4-5 hrs, so my guess is he lost at least 2 or 3 to the park. if there's 1 guy i wish we had a full statcast on it's him, id bet there were some long flyball outs which made their promotion decision a lot simpler.
Baty  
DanMetroMan : 6/10/2024 10:17 am : link
back to Syracuse, Layonel Ovalles from St. Lucie to FCL
Dakota  
DanMetroMan : 6/10/2024 10:20 am : link
Hawkins now has a 2.70 FIP, 10.04 K/9 on the season
Alex  
DanMetroMan : 6/10/2024 10:27 am : link
Ramirez is 3/34 vs. lefties wtf lol
Still  
DanMetroMan : 6/10/2024 10:32 am : link
no word on Parada's injury
RE: Still  
GF1080 : 6/10/2024 10:37 am : link
In comment 16533830 DanMetroMan said:
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no word on Parada's injury


Vargas thing is so weird as well. Still active but hasn't played since May 28.
RE: RE: Still  
DanMetroMan : 6/10/2024 10:40 am : link
In comment 16533831 GF1080 said:
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In comment 16533830 DanMetroMan said:


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no word on Parada's injury



Vargas thing is so weird as well. Still active but hasn't played since May 28.


It's strange. This is now the 3rd time this has happened with him this season, he's been on the IL twice (both following periods of not playing).
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DanMetroMan : 6/10/2024 11:16 am : link
Evan Stockton
@evstockton
Mike Brosseau joined the @SyracuseMets
at the start of May. In his first week, he went 1-for-18.

In 25 games since, he’s batting .404 with seven home runs & an OPS of 1.193 🤯

The pride of @OaklandBSB
and @GoldenGrizzlies
may be the hottest hitter in all of baseball right now.
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DanMetroMan : 6/10/2024 11:19 am : link
Daiverson Gutierrez with a first inning single. Gutierrez had a very rough 2023 with the bat, but has begun 2024 4 for his first 12 with a walk and 2 2b's #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 6/10/2024 12:02 pm : link
Randy Guzman (who admittedly I know nothing about other than him being a big kid 6'4" 215 with a 2 run triple. 5/11 with 2 extra base hits to open the season. Yensi Rivas first career xtra base hit (2b), Vladi 0-1 #Mets
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