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New York Giants OTA Updates - Day Seven

Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 8:32 am
Today is not a media access day, but I will post updates in this thread as they are released by the Giants throughout the day.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 8:53 am : link
Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan

Darren Waller is expected to make a decision by next week’s minicamp on his playing future and people in and around the team expect he’s going to retire, multiple sources told @AdamSchefter and me. Would be a pleasant surprise if he decided otherwise.
RE: ...  
Ivan15 : 6/3/2024 9:30 am : link
In comment 16529647 Eric from BBI said:
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Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan

Darren Waller is expected to make a decision by next week’s minicamp on his playing future and people in and around the team expect he’s going to retire, multiple sources told @AdamSchefter and me. Would be a pleasant surprise if he decided otherwise.
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Even if he decides to play, I don’t think we will be getting the best of a 31-year old Waller. His heart just isn’t in it.
Wouldn't be  
Harvest Blend : 6/3/2024 9:33 am : link
a pleasant surprise for me.

Working on his rap  
barens : 6/3/2024 9:53 am : link
career?
If he decides to play…  
Giant John : 6/3/2024 10:25 am : link
I would find that an unpleasant surprise.
Personally, I think Waller  
big_blue : 6/3/2024 10:38 am : link
Is trying to get cut because he doesn’t want to play for the nyg. I think he is floating the retirement out there simply to get cut and waiting for JS to make the decision. Then he can skip training camp and sign with a contender
RE: Personally, I think Waller  
Biteymax22 : 6/3/2024 10:56 am : link
In comment 16529754 big_blue said:
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Is trying to get cut because he doesn’t want to play for the nyg. I think he is floating the retirement out there simply to get cut and waiting for JS to make the decision. Then he can skip training camp and sign with a contender


Why not just give a list of teams and ask for a trade. If any of those teams actually wanted him they'd probably at least do a late round pick swap.
I think it is done and has been  
jvm52106 : 6/3/2024 11:05 am : link
done for a while. The Giants probably gave him an out if he wanted to change his mind and a deadline, and that would seem to be coming up pretty quickly. The Giants will be gaining cap space with him being off the team..
I hope he plays  
Jim in Forest Hills : 6/3/2024 11:20 am : link
keep him on a schedule with purpose and great pay. You cant just find income like that. If he's in distress he can take advantage of NYGs medical care incl mental health.
In terms of Giants wins and losses, I don't think Waller will make a  
Marty in Albany : 6/3/2024 11:37 am : link
any difference whether he plays or not. Clearly, at age 31, he is not part of the rebuilding process.

We now have scarier WRs than we had last year, so a scary TE who can't block may not be the answer anyway.

Question: Will Waller cause as much of a distraction if he does show up as he has without showing up?
Both sides were always better off  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 6/3/2024 11:50 am : link
If he waited until June 1 to retire
They know he's not in a good spot  
UberAlias : 6/3/2024 12:28 pm : link
and are trying to be sensitive to that. They've already moved on, and there is no need for them to do anything right now. It may change come mandatory minicamp. They probably prefer him to retire, for his own sake to feel like he left on his own terms. I'm just speculating obviously, but this is my assumption.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 12:48 pm : link
John Schmeelk @Schmeelk

We are just off the field after the @Giants 7th OTA - here's what @MattCitak and I saw from the sideline.
https://x.com/Schmeelk/status/1797667409224163538 - ( New Window )
RE: Wouldn't be  
5BowlsSoon : 6/3/2024 12:51 pm : link
In comment 16529682 Harvest Blend said:
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a pleasant surprise for me.


PLEASE RETIRE AND BE GONE WITH YOU.
Schmeelk and Citak  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 12:52 pm : link
Another strong day for defense. Two PDs for Tre Hawkins with an almost INT. Alex Johnson has a PD.

Brian Burns, Tomon Fox, and Dexter Lawrence had "sacks".

Deonte Banks and Cor'Dale Flott with good coverage.

On offense, Wan'Dale Robinson continues to make plays. Theo Johnson had a nice catch.
Easy to say we don't want Waller back now  
BlackLight : 6/3/2024 1:16 pm : link
but if our TEs start getting dinged, I would still take Waller over some waiver wire JAG.
RE: Easy to say we don't want Waller back now  
HBart : 6/3/2024 1:41 pm : link
In comment 16529940 BlackLight said:
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but if our TEs start getting dinged, I would still take Waller over some waiver wire JAG.

If it came down to it and he's on reserve/retired, they could Pugh him off his couch if he's willing.
RE: RE: Easy to say we don't want Waller back now  
BlackLight : 6/3/2024 1:49 pm : link
In comment 16529952 HBart said:
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but if our TEs start getting dinged, I would still take Waller over some waiver wire JAG.


If it came down to it and he's on reserve/retired, they could Pugh him off his couch if he's willing.


I think I'd rather have him in the building every day, where at least he's at practice and working out.
RE: RE: Easy to say we don't want Waller back now  
BlackLight : 6/3/2024 1:51 pm : link
In comment 16529952 HBart said:
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In comment 16529940 BlackLight said:


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but if our TEs start getting dinged, I would still take Waller over some waiver wire JAG.


If it came down to it and he's on reserve/retired, they could Pugh him off his couch if he's willing.


I think I'd rather have him in the building every day, where at least he's at practice and working out.
“Sacks” by Edge players like Burns probably indicate that an OT  
Ivan15 : 6/3/2024 1:58 pm : link
Is being beaten. I wonder Who?
RE: Schmeelk and Citak  
ATL_Giants : 6/3/2024 2:03 pm : link
In comment 16529919 Eric from BBI said:
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Brian Burns, Tomon Fox, and Dexter Lawrence had "sacks".

This doesn't sound promising for the OL. Maybe Fox got his from the backups.
RE: Wouldn't be  
Capt. Don : 6/3/2024 2:11 pm : link
In comment 16529682 Harvest Blend said:
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a pleasant surprise for me.


exactly. I want Stoll and Manhertz to make it anyway.
RE: RE: Schmeelk and Citak  
HBart : 6/3/2024 2:40 pm : link
In comment 16529967 ATL_Giants said:
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Brian Burns, Tomon Fox, and Dexter Lawrence had "sacks".



This doesn't sound promising for the OL. Maybe Fox got his from the backups.

It doesn't really matter. The OL isn't going to look good for a while - even if the players are excellent. WHich is a whole different conversation.

Plus Burns and Lawerence will punk even good season-form OLs plenty. It's what they do.
RE: Schmeelk and Citak  
mako J : 6/3/2024 2:41 pm : link
In comment 16529919 Eric from BBI said:
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Theo Johnson had a nice catch.


Name keeps popping up……

Note to self: Must. Temper. Expectations and enthusiasm.
RE: RE: Schmeelk and Citak  
Bill in UT : 6/3/2024 3:09 pm : link
In comment 16529986 mako J said:
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Theo Johnson had a nice catch.



Name keeps popping up……

Note to self: Must. Temper. Expectations and enthusiasm.


If it helps you, I don't remember him being mentioned for more than one good play on any days, which is nice, but not otherworldly
Photos  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 3:40 pm : link
45 of them.
📸 Practice Photos: Best of OTA No. 7 - ( New Window )
Theo Johnson  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 3:41 pm : link
Devin Singletary  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 3:42 pm : link
Tyrone Tracy  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 3:42 pm : link
Tyler Nubin  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 3:43 pm : link
Jashaun Corbin  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 3:44 pm : link
Eric Gray  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 3:44 pm : link
Wan'Dale Robinson  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 3:45 pm : link
Daniel Jones  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 3:46 pm : link
Ovie Oghoufo  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 3:47 pm : link
Schoen and Daboll  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 3:48 pm : link
i'm guessing this is Elijah Riley  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 3:49 pm : link
Encouraging to see  
bluefin : 6/3/2024 3:58 pm : link
pics of Jones running in springtime OTA’s
Question about Waller  
3putt : 6/3/2024 4:05 pm : link
If he fails to report, isn't there a category where the Team continues to maintain his rights but his salary comes off the cap? If there is, then he's not looking to get cut. He's really mulling retirement.
RE: Encouraging to see  
CTGiants : 6/3/2024 4:29 pm : link
In comment 16530042 bluefin said:
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pics of Jones running in springtime OTA’s


Like a tearful T.O. would say sobbing... 'He's my quarterback!'
Alex Johnson, UCLA - UDFA corner ...  
Manny in CA : 6/3/2024 4:35 pm : link

One deflected pass, two "sacks". Rooting for him, not only because he's from the West Coast, but he's a really good kid and a natural ball-hawk.

Hawkins too. Great to see young UFDAs & late round players getting a chance to prove themselves. Remember UDFA Salza-Dancin' Victor Cruz !
RE: i'm guessing this is Elijah Riley  
HBart : 6/3/2024 4:46 pm : link
In comment 16530036 Eric from BBI said:
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Now that's a player! Look at those thumbs!
Schmeelk's Report  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2024 4:53 pm : link
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*We've seen special teams coordinator Michael Ghobrial really lean into teaching the coverage and return aspect of the new kickoff rule. It's a very different look in practice seeing players lining up five yards from each other and basically frozen in place until the ball is caught by the returner or the kickoff hits the ground. Then all the players explode out of their stances and using pads, work on their blocking and coverage techniques. It's a matter of training the players eyes for what to watch, and then all of them moving together in sync to fulfill their assignments. I think there are going to be a lot of explosive plays early in the season on kick return as teams figure out what they're doing and surprise their opponents by doing things no one expects. One player I noticed during these drills was Dante "Little Turbo" Miller, whose speed lives up to his monicker.

*New running backs coach Joel Thomas has been working with his group on catching the ball throughout the spring. They've developed a series of drills to mimic the pass getting on them quickly and reacting to make the catch. A focus is on catching a vertical pass coming in over their head and behind them. The running backs are not allowed to look back and need to get their hands up and make the catch when the ball appears in their field of vision in front of them.

*Monday's practice was a strong one for the defense that got kick-started by the linebackers. On the first play of the team portion of practice, Bobby Okereke forced Wan'Dale Robinson to make a difficult catch over the middle with strong coverage. On the next play, Micah McFadden sniffed out a screen that would have been limited to no gain.

*The secondary got into the act next, starting with Deonte Banks using his length to prevent a completion to Darius Slayton. Tre Hawkins nearly came up with an interception on a pass in the middle of the field, forcing an incompletion. Cor'Dale Flott ran with Slayton on a deep route and knocked the ball away. Earlier in practice, defensive back Alex Johnson nearly came up with a pick when he knocked a pass away.

*The defensive front made some noise again. A defensive pressure package gave Brian Burns the opportunity to be a free runner to the quarterback, forcing a play to be blown dead. Tyler Nubin and Jalen Mills came free on a blitz that forced the ball to come out of the quarterback's hand. Dexter Lawrence got through the middle to pressure a quick pass to Wan'Dale Robinson in the flat. Tomon Fox created a pressure late in practice that could have been a sack in a game situation.

*Offensively, Wan'Dale Robinson caught a few slants, Darius Slayton was targeted frequently by the quarterbacks, Jashaun Corbin caught a couple of passes in the flat, and rookie Theo Johnson caught a pass from Drew Lock.



Practice Report (6/3): Sideline view of OTA No. 7 - ( New Window )
I think its Theo Johnson time  
PatersonPlank : 6/3/2024 6:13 pm : link
really getting excited about him
Is our defensive front so good  
Rudy5757 : 6/3/2024 6:54 pm : link
Or are they so good because our OL is still not good. We really need this OL to step up. I think we have a talented team.
RE: Is our defensive front so good  
UberAlias : 6/3/2024 7:43 pm : link
In comment 16530117 Rudy5757 said:
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Or are they so good because our OL is still not good. We really need this OL to step up. I think we have a talented team.
I think it's:
1) You can't evaluate the trenches in OTAs
2) We have two of our likely top 3 tackles not participating in team drills and I suspect Andrew Thomas isn't in for every rep.
3) Of the Oline taking reps with the starters, at least 3 are new (both guard spots are new to the team and Ezuedu is a guard first filling in at RT).
4) The defensive front 6 is by far the strength of the team
RE: “Sacks” by Edge players like Burns probably indicate that an OT  
NYDCBlue : 6/3/2024 7:51 pm : link
In comment 16529964 Ivan15 said:
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Is being beaten. I wonder Who?



I don't need to be there to answer this question. I will guess you four words:
1.) Josh
2.) Evan
3.) Ezudu
4.) Neal

I leave it up to you to synthesis those words in order....
Um, Neal isn't even in there  
UberAlias : 6/3/2024 8:04 pm : link
pay attention.
RE: RE: Is our defensive front so good  
Tom in NY : 6/3/2024 10:19 pm : link
In comment 16530146 UberAlias said:
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Or are they so good because our OL is still not good. We really need this OL to step up. I think we have a talented team.

I think it's:
1) You can't evaluate the trenches in OTAs
2) We have two of our likely top 3 tackles not participating in team drills and I suspect Andrew Thomas isn't in for every rep.
3) Of the Oline taking reps with the starters, at least 3 are new (both guard spots are new to the team and Ezuedu is a guard first filling in at RT).
4) The defensive front 6 is by far the strength of the team


Good post...one more important point to add:
There is no physical contact between the linemen during OTAs, so speed rushers can go around the corner without being touched.
No idea if the Oline is good or bad just yet...don't think we'll know until full padded practices in training camp.
RE: Wouldn't be  
Dr. D : 6/4/2024 9:28 am : link
In comment 16529682 Harvest Blend said:
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a pleasant surprise for me.

Yeah, I don't think anyone will be "pleasantly" surprised. Just retire already.
RE: Schoen and Daboll  
solarmike : 6/5/2024 3:19 pm : link
In comment 16530035 Eric from BBI said:
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Wow, a svelte Daboll getting back into DB form!


Older U of R article on Daboll - ( New Window )
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