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Nabers seems like the real deal (which shouldn't surprise anyone who watched him at LSU) and that only puts more pressure on Alt and the Chargers. Alt appears to have all the talent in the world and seems like an incredibly safe pick at tackle. But if he does not end up being a franchise tackle who makes multiple Pro Bowls then it will feel like a whiff for the Bolts. That is how special Nabers appears to be. Elite receivers make a difference in this league and as it currently stands, Herbert doesn't have anyone who has proven to be above league-average. The Chargers could have had their version of Ja'Marr Chase (also taken fifth overall from LSU), Tyreek Hill, or Justin Jefferson and instead, Hortiz opted to add to the trenches. |
Any wide receiver can look great on one slow-motion highlight but it goes much deeper than that with Nabers. The sixth overall pick has been turning heads during Giants OTAs and already appears to have an undeniable star presence
Are you kidding me? They are already starting with the, "we coulda drafted dis guy insteada dat guy" baloney.
The most important thing the Chargers can do is protect Herbert. Guy has been abused and injured constantly. Give him time and he will get the job done.
The 80's wants its offensive scheme back.
But with that being said, if Joe Alt starts at tackle for a team winning the Super Bowl or AFC Championship 3 years, do you really care what Nabers is doing?
Its all about building a full team, they had a need at the position and found it more important to protect their franchise QB. Can't fault them for that if Nabers grows into the player we hope he does.
The 80's wants its offensive scheme back.
I think you are looking at this backward. While a coach will adjust his plan to what he has to begin with, ultimately he will adjust the players to what he wants to do with his team. Why did Daboll/Schoen draft Hyatt, Wan'Dale and now Nabers? It was to get the players he wants to run his offense.
If you think running the ball is archaic, then why are people on this very boards crapping on the Giants for the Giants for their run defense? You have to be able to run, still, to win in the NFL. It may be mostly a passing league, but running successfully is still necessary.
I think they F’d up too. They have an elite QB - pairing him with an elite WR would’ve been nasty.
I think they F’d up too. They have an elite QB - pairing him with an elite WR would’ve been nasty.
Except if he was flat on his back an injured because he wasn't getting protection...
Not sure what the Giants would have done, probably Rome Odunze...
I think they F’d up too. They have an elite QB - pairing him with an elite WR would’ve been nasty.
My guess is they would have taken Odunze.
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to see who the Giants would’ve picked if Nabers went to LA.
I think they F’d up too. They have an elite QB - pairing him with an elite WR would’ve been nasty.
Except if he was flat on his back an injured because he wasn't getting protection...
Not sure what the Giants would have done, probably Rome Odunze...
This is overly dramatic. Herbert has thrown 700 passes in a season once and averages about 660 attempts over a full season for his career - which basically puts him in the top 2 over the last few years (Brady/Mahomes).
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to see who the Giants would’ve picked if Nabers went to LA.
I think they F’d up too. They have an elite QB - pairing him with an elite WR would’ve been nasty.
Except if he was flat on his back an injured because he wasn't getting protection...
Not sure what the Giants would have done, probably Rome Odunze...
This is overly dramatic. Herbert has thrown 700 passes in a season once and averages about 660 attempts over a full season for his career - which basically puts him in the top 2 over the last few years (Brady/Mahomes).
Overly dramatic? Herbert has been injured a lot. His line is almost as bad as the Giants. What is overly dramatic?
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He has a great young QB and his plan is to run the rock. If he still had borderline QBs like he did in SF, it might make sense. Another example of a 1 trick pony coach who needs to conform his roster to his style rather than conform his style to the players he's got.
The 80's wants its offensive scheme back.
I think you are looking at this backward. While a coach will adjust his plan to what he has to begin with, ultimately he will adjust the players to what he wants to do with his team. Why did Daboll/Schoen draft Hyatt, Wan'Dale and now Nabers? It was to get the players he wants to run his offense.
If you think running the ball is archaic, then why are people on this very boards crapping on the Giants for the Giants for their run defense? You have to be able to run, still, to win in the NFL. It may be mostly a passing league, but running successfully is still necessary.
Saw a stat last season that one of the best predictors of a loss is a backup playing OLT. They went through a few QBs (Prescott and Purdy amongst others).
When it comes to draft capital, OLT is a necessary evil.
The 80's wants its offensive scheme back.
Running the ball equates to winning. Still.
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He has a great young QB and his plan is to run the rock. If he still had borderline QBs like he did in SF, it might make sense. Another example of a 1 trick pony coach who needs to conform his roster to his style rather than conform his style to the players he's got.
The 80's wants its offensive scheme back.
Running the ball equates to winning. Still.
Literally this was the blueprint for Michigan under Harbaugh, and it worked out well for them last year. And Harbaugh got the 49ers to the SuperBowl.
Bolts, not Colts
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to see who the Giants would’ve picked if Nabers went to LA.
I think they F’d up too. They have an elite QB - pairing him with an elite WR would’ve been nasty.
Except if he was flat on his back an injured because he wasn't getting protection...
Not sure what the Giants would have done, probably Rome Odunze...
This is overly dramatic. Herbert has thrown 700 passes in a season once and averages about 660 attempts over a full season for his career - which basically puts him in the top 2 over the last few years (Brady/Mahomes).
Overly dramatic? Herbert has been injured a lot. His line is almost as bad as the Giants. What is overly dramatic?
Because he hasn’t been lying on his back. Yes he’s been injured but he throws the ball a ton, how’s he able to do that if he’s on his back?
I’m not shitting on bolstering the OL, it would obviously be valuable, I just don’t like the hyperbole about QBs who throw that much not being able to all of a sudden.
How frequently are those the plays that decide the outcome of games vs. times where there are greater downs and distances and gaining yards through the are is the difference between winning and losing?
I expected the Chargers to at least try to trade down a bit and draft a tackle. They may have tried, or maybe Alt was their guy, cost be damned. If you look at how the first 33 picks played out, LAC seems pretty smart. By the time they took Ladd McConkey at #34, the OT options were grim. Six tackles were taken in the 25 picks from Alt at #5 to Tyler Guyton at #29. None went the next 25, before Patrick Paul at #55. On the other hand, McConkey came near the end of a WR run: four in a row and seven between #23 and #37. While McConkey isn't on the same level as Nabers, He and Alt seem to fill LAC's biggest needs better than Nabers plus the other likely options at #34. (That's assuming LAC passing on Alt would not have pushed Guyton down to #34 through a domino effect at OT - a reasonable assumption, IMO.)
Well, in fairness, they have to write something in June... and these days they have to get clicks too.
Outstanding running teams significantly help the pass game. It is amazing that some don't understand this.
Herbert will have less attempts and yards but look for bigger impact from him overall. They also added a WR in round 2.
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pound the rock, protect the QB and play solid defense. So for that scheme Alt makes sense. They have bookends now with Alt and Slater.
The most important thing the Chargers can do is protect Herbert. Guy has been abused and injured constantly. Give him time and he will get the job done.
I'm very bullish on their pass game. Slater played last year with high ankle sprains to both ankles. A 2022 version of Slater plus Alt is the bookend scenario the Giants were imagining.
They've picked WRs in the top 35 in consecutive drafts, and Josh Palmer was really breaking out last year before he got hurt.
My guess is the Chargers have a much higher octane offense than previous Harbaugh iterations.
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He has a great young QB and his plan is to run the rock. If he still had borderline QBs like he did in SF, it might make sense. Another example of a 1 trick pony coach who needs to conform his roster to his style rather than conform his style to the players he's got.
The 80's wants its offensive scheme back.
Running the ball equates to winning. Still.
Literally this was the blueprint for Michigan under Harbaugh, and it worked out well for them last year. And Harbaugh got the 49ers to the SuperBowl.
Harbaugh ran the same offense at Stanford, too, unless people forgot that. He has won everywhere he's been and is a great evaluator. They won't hit every draft pick but no GM/Hc has or will.
Yup, 2021 Slater.
I'm very bullish on their pass game. Slater played last year with high ankle sprains to both ankles. A 2022 version of Slater plus Alt is the bookend scenario the Giants were imagining.
They've picked WRs in the top 35 in consecutive drafts, and Josh Palmer was really breaking out last year before he got hurt.
My guess is the Chargers have a much higher octane offense than previous Harbaugh iterations.
I doubt it. Get ready for a heavy dose of Gap Power.
I doubt it. Get ready for a heavy dose of Gap Power.
The last time he had a quarterback with similar arm pedigree, the offense averaged nearly 10 air yards per attempt.
If Harbuagh could make JJM look good, imagine what he can do with Herbert 😀
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pound the rock, protect the QB and play solid defense. So for that scheme Alt makes sense. They have bookends now with Alt and Slater.
If Harbuagh could make JJM look good, imagine what he can do with Herbert 😀
He coached Andrew Luck and was run dominant in both years. Less so when Toby Gerhert went pro, but they still had 40+ carries a game with Stepfan Taylor carrying the rock.
They also passed the ball 30 times a game Luck's sophomore year. And were top 10 in air yards and yards per attempt. They were a big play pass offense, in addition to being a prolific run offense.
+1.
The additional issue for LAC is that Rashawn Slater, when healthy, is an upper-tier LT. Although Alt could wind up at LT eventually, his initial assignment at RT casts some extra doubt on his value proposition as the #5 pick.
Alt may be such a huge upgrade over perennial disappointment Trey Pipkins that the value makes sense on that factor alone. But I think the longer-term insurance at LT may be nearly as important.
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other. It depends on the team and on the players.
The additional issue for LAC is that Rashawn Slater, when healthy, is an upper-tier LT. Although Alt could wind up at LT eventually, his initial assignment at RT casts some extra doubt on his value proposition as the #5 pick.
Alt may be such a huge upgrade over perennial disappointment Trey Pipkins that the value makes sense on that factor alone. But I think the longer-term insurance at LT may be nearly as important.
Aside from perhaps the LT being on the QBs "blind spot" both tackle positions are extremely important with the quality of DE/ER/OLB pass rushers in the game today. That Alt likely can play LT is important.
There are different ways to insure against an injury to your star LT. One is to have a good swing tackle; but the truth is, most swing tackles are not good at all - otherwise they would be starting in a league that is starved for OT talent. Another approach is to have a starter at another position who is also effectively the backup LT. That approach worked surprisingly well for Dallas with the “other” T.Smith, and it may be what the Chargers have in mind too. Even the Giants may have hoped Neal would show that versatility. Unfortunately, he hasn’t been good at his primary spot and nobody wants to see him on the blind side.