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NFT: Hockey Thread: Stanley Cup Finals Start Tonight

pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 7:17 am
Edmonton Oilers @ Florida Panthers 8pm ET on ABC.

The Panthers are favored to win the series due to a well balanced team and a stout goalie, but the Oilers have the playoffs top 4 scorers and 5 of the top 7.

Florida's biggest weakness is their D are not very good defensively and due to their aggressive style they play in the offensive zone are prone to giving up odd-man rushes and they rely on their goalie (Bobrovsky) to bail them out. They also take a lot of penalties (generally speaking).

the Oilers are lethal on the power play (37.3% to lead the playoffs). The Oilers PK also leads the playoffs. They will need both to be at their best to win the series because their goalie (Skinner) has not been consistent (but was fantastic in the Dallas series).

This is Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl's first SCF appearance and both have had stellar careers to this point, but post-season success has eluded them both and been a stain to an extent on their careers. The only stain.

Should be a fun series. The heavy forecheck and 200-foot game of Florida with Barkov, Tkachuck, Bennett, Verhaeghe, Reinhart, vs the speed and skill of Edmonton with McDavid, Draisaitl, Hyman, Bouchard, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, etc.

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I kept waiting for either or both of these to happen against  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/8/2024 7:38 am : link
the Rangers and neither did:

"Florida's biggest weakness is their D are not very good defensively and due to their aggressive style they play in the offensive zone are prone to giving up odd-man rushes and they rely on their goalie (Bobrovsky) to bail them out. They also take a lot of penalties (generally speaking)."

Rangers don't have McDavid and Draisatl either though, so maybe it will come to fruition in the finals.

I've been pulling for the Oilers to come out of the West, but if the Panthers win I won't be disappointed after they just throttled the Rangers. If that series was close, I would probably be pulling harder for the Oilers.

Panthers in 6.
NYR  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 8:07 am : link
were 1 for 15 on the PP vs FLA. That's the story of the series right there. The Rangers, during the regular season, had the 3rd best PP at 26.4%, if they played to their season average that's 3 more goals in the series and they lost 3 1-goal games. I know it's not that simple, but sometimes it is a big part of the reason for the outcome.

I think the Oilers win but should be a great series  
Metnut : 6/8/2024 8:20 am : link
Would love to see Florida win though and have Okposo get ring. He’s a really good dude and glad see him in a deep run. He left NYI before they made their back to back deep runs.
I actually like some of the Panthers defense  
Rick in Dallas : 6/8/2024 8:24 am : link
Especially Forsling and Montour.
They were terrific against Rangers
RE: NYR  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/8/2024 8:43 am : link
In comment 16532966 pjcas18 said:
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were 1 for 15 on the PP vs FLA. That's the story of the series right there. The Rangers, during the regular season, had the 3rd best PP at 26.4%, if they played to their season average that's 3 more goals in the series and they lost 3 1-goal games. I know it's not that simple, but sometimes it is a big part of the reason for the outcome.


Not disagreeing with your point because it was a major part of the reason Rangers lost, but Panthers averaged 2.5 penalties per game. I guess when the puck is constantly in the offensive zone it's easier to avoid the penalties though, so there's that.
Panthers in 6  
Optimus-NY : 6/8/2024 9:46 am : link
They handled the Rangers. Credit to them. I hope the Oilers win, but don't think they will.
I hope the TV network get a zero rating.....and freak out!  
George from PA : 6/8/2024 9:56 am : link
We could have had NY/Dallas and got Edmonton and no-where Florida!!!!
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/8/2024 10:10 am : link
It'd be cool if the Oilers won it. A Canadian team hasn't won it all since '93.
I Thought Hockey was Over...  
mvftw : 6/8/2024 10:46 am : link
LOL
Go Oilers  
Greg from LI : 6/8/2024 11:08 am : link
The Panthers and their unique blend of cheap shots and flopping are very easy to hate. Fuck them
What Greg said  
gtt350 : 6/8/2024 11:09 am : link
.
RE: RE: NYR  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 11:35 am : link
In comment 16532976 Rob in Rockaway said:
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In comment 16532966 pjcas18 said:


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were 1 for 15 on the PP vs FLA. That's the story of the series right there. The Rangers, during the regular season, had the 3rd best PP at 26.4%, if they played to their season average that's 3 more goals in the series and they lost 3 1-goal games. I know it's not that simple, but sometimes it is a big part of the reason for the outcome.




Not disagreeing with your point because it was a major part of the reason Rangers lost, but Panthers averaged 2.5 penalties per game. I guess when the puck is constantly in the offensive zone it's easier to avoid the penalties though, so there's that.


Exactly, most penalties occur when the other team has the puck and you are trying to get it, so the Panthers having the puck so much the Rangers couldn't draw the normal penalties the Panthers usually commit.

So the Panthers penalties were lower than usual in that series.

All that said if the Rangers convert to their regular season average on power plays in the series there is quite possibly a different outcome.
My bets  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 12:15 pm : link
so far:

EDM to win the cup (I think FLA wins, but I like the underdog odds)

McDavid to win Conn Smythe
Barkov to win Conn Smythe
PJ you have been dogging Florida's D all playoffs  
Stu11 : 6/8/2024 12:50 pm : link
I just don't see it. They have been solid. I wouldn't say they are shut down elite, but they do the job and do not make the mistakes that lose you games. That having been said I'm pulling for Edmonton. It's about time a Canadian team took home the cup and they are a likable fun team to watch.
RE: PJ you have been dogging Florida's D all playoffs  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 12:53 pm : link
In comment 16533047 Stu11 said:
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I just don't see it. They have been solid. I wouldn't say they are shut down elite, but they do the job and do not make the mistakes that lose you games. That having been said I'm pulling for Edmonton. It's about time a Canadian team took home the cup and they are a likable fun team to watch.


The Rangers didn't expose them, but BOS and TBL did. FLA was FAR more talented than BOS and TBL so it didn't cost them series, but if you watched those games there was a ton of odd-man rushes and PP's.

Forsling is fantastic, but none of the other D are defensive D's.
I felt the winner of the Rangers/Panthers Series  
AROCK1000 : 6/8/2024 5:09 pm : link
Would win the cup
Still do...
In non-SCF news  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 6:15 pm : link
the salary cap has been set for 2024-2025 at $88M.

Largest increase since 2018-2019. Cap was $83.5M last year.
Panthers in 5  
Gman11 : 6/8/2024 6:42 pm : link
They shut down the Rangers' big guns. They can do it to Edmonton too.
Panthers in 7  
Rick in Dallas : 6/8/2024 8:12 pm : link
Looking forward to a very good SCF.
Give the edge to Panthers due to Bobrosky in goal over Skinner
......  
Route 9 : 6/8/2024 8:34 pm : link
Ceci

What was that?
Good period  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 9:03 pm : link
EDM controlled the play, FLA leads on the scoreboard.

Only 1 period but if  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/8/2024 9:04 pm : link
Bobrovsky plays like this it will be tough for the Oilers
RE: Only 1 period but if  
rnargi : 6/8/2024 9:32 pm : link
In comment 16533169 Rob in Rockaway said:
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Bobrovsky plays like this it will be tough for the Oilers


Welp he's carried it into the second and FL has extended the lead. Crazy
Other than the shot differential  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/8/2024 9:33 pm : link
this is similar to the Rangers series. Verhagy and then Rodrigues left all alone to bury shots point blank in front of Skinner.
The only similarities  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 9:37 pm : link
so far to the Rangers series is that the Oilers also failing to capitalize on the power play. and they need to in order to win the series IMO.

FLA is not close to dominating zone time like they did vs NYR and the EDM forwards are moving their feet and forechecking effectively.

but it's very early.
RE: The only similarities  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/8/2024 9:42 pm : link
In comment 16533202 pjcas18 said:
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so far to the Rangers series is that the Oilers also failing to capitalize on the power play. and they need to in order to win the series IMO.

FLA is not close to dominating zone time like they did vs NYR and the EDM forwards are moving their feet and forechecking effectively.

but it's very early.


I meant the goals and I'm right about that.
I did say  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/8/2024 9:44 pm : link
"other than", so that puts me wrong.
Florida seems so much more rugged than EDM too  
PetesHereNow : 6/8/2024 10:52 pm : link
Just more physical, and they have a massive goalie advantage with Bobrovsky over Skinner.
Florida  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 10:58 pm : link
definitely outhit EDM. that was never really going to be a question, but this is the game EDM wanted.

they just need to score on their chances. 3 (at least) breakaways and 3 or 4 power plays. need to capitalize or they have no chance.
Wow  
Route 9 : 6/8/2024 11:00 pm : link
Impressive win
Hasek  
RasputinPrime : 6/8/2024 11:02 pm : link
stands on his BOB tonight.

They will get McDavid'd on Monday.
Road  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 11:04 pm : link
teams just need to split the opening 2 and they steal home ice.

So, win Monday and EDM did what they needed to do. Lose and the odds are long for them to win.
Panthers stole one last night  
Rick in Dallas : 6/9/2024 7:36 am : link
Bobrovsky was awesome
Having said that I expect the Panthers to get to their checking game . They were rusty having a week off.
......  
Route 9 : 6/9/2024 12:47 pm : link
That was some championship hockey there last night by Florida. Get out shot by almost 60% but cash in when need be and A+ goaltending. That was some Patrick Roy shit last night lol
This has to be a joke  
pjcas18 : 6/9/2024 3:18 pm : link
this site is awesome.

Sportsnet
@Sportsnet
It won’t happen until July, but according to multiple sources, the Washington Capitals have reached an agreement to purchase the outstanding CapFriendly website, @FriedgeHNIC
reports.
RE: ......  
rnargi : 6/9/2024 7:23 pm : link
In comment 16533345 Route 9 said:
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That was some championship hockey there last night by Florida. Get out shot by almost 60% but cash in when need be and A+ goaltending. That was some Patrick Roy shit last night lol


Yep
RE: Go Oilers  
Optimus-NY : 6/9/2024 8:00 pm : link
In comment 16533021 Greg from LI said:
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The Panthers and their unique blend of cheap shots and flopping are very easy to hate. Fuck them


Double Amen and Double phuq them.
RE: This has to be a joke  
Stu11 : 6/9/2024 9:25 pm : link
In comment 16533443 pjcas18 said:
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this site is awesome.

Sportsnet
@Sportsnet
It won’t happen until July, but according to multiple sources, the Washington Capitals have reached an agreement to purchase the outstanding CapFriendly website, @FriedgeHNIC
reports.

Yeah I use that site all the time for checking the NHL team cap stuff.
Game 2 in FLA  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2024 10:30 am : link
tonight @ 8:00.

If EDM plays the exact same game as Saturday I think they get a good outcome. I don't think Bobrovsky can keep up that level of play.

But also, I doubt FLA plays as flat tonight as they did Saturday.

I also don't think EDM can play McDavid 25 min again nor should they.

Should be a fun game.
RE: This has to be a joke  
Mad Mike : 6/10/2024 10:32 am : link
In comment 16533443 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
this site is awesome.

Sportsnet
@Sportsnet
It won’t happen until July, but according to multiple sources, the Washington Capitals have reached an agreement to purchase the outstanding CapFriendly website, @FriedgeHNIC
reports.

So ridiculous. Hey, let's take a site that our fans enjoy using and... shut it down.
I expect the Panthers will play a much better game tonight  
Rick in Dallas : 6/10/2024 10:49 am : link
Looking forward to a fun game.
I will go into hockey withdrawals after the SCF’s
September can’t come fast enough
......  
Route 9 : 6/10/2024 8:38 pm : link
Yikes. Florida is ridiculous.

ZERO shots on goal for Edmonton so far.
......  
Route 9 : 6/10/2024 8:41 pm : link
Ouch. Rough hit near the knee.
What a turn of events  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2024 8:48 pm : link
FLA with the 5 min PP off the major, takes a dumb penalty to even it out and EDM scores their 1st of the series off a 3 on 1.

1-0 EDM.
......  
Route 9 : 6/10/2024 8:48 pm : link
There ya go finally
......  
Route 9 : 6/10/2024 8:50 pm : link
Holy shit. How long was that net wide open for?
wow  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2024 9:25 pm : link
that's a weak penalty call on Tkachuk.
......  
Route 9 : 6/10/2024 9:45 pm : link
5 SOG for Edmonton
Guys I know I'm missing something here  
Stu11 : 6/10/2024 10:12 pm : link
This is driving me nuts. They keep posting that graphic that at 2541 miles this is the furthest distance between Stanley cup final arenas. I just looked it up MSG & crypto.com arena are over 2700 miles apart. Also the Rock in Newark & Crypto must be just about the same. What am I missing here?
RE: Guys I know I'm missing something here  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2024 10:17 pm : link
In comment 16534318 Stu11 said:
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This is driving me nuts. They keep posting that graphic that at 2541 miles this is the furthest distance between Stanley cup final arenas. I just looked it up MSG & crypto.com arena are over 2700 miles apart. Also the Rock in Newark & Crypto must be just about the same. What am I missing here?


not sure what search you are using:

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Madison Square Garden Center to Crypto.com Arena
Rome2Rio
https://www.rome2rio.com › Crypto-com-Arena
How far is it from Madison Square Garden Center to Crypto.com Arena? The distance between Madison Square Garden Center and Crypto.com Arena is 2494 miles.
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