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Interesting "Fact or Fiction" this week from Giants.com

Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/8/2024 3:25 pm
The topics discussed are good due to the fact that these two witnessed the 10 OTA practices.
Fact or Fiction: Most improved position groups - ( New Window )
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/8/2024 4:20 pm : link
DL better be good because I’m worried about the DB, especially opposite Banks.
RE: …  
Ivan15 : 6/8/2024 4:37 pm : link
In comment 16533079 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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DL better be good because I’m worried about the DB, especially opposite Banks.
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I’m not concerned about the DBs. Giants lost a safety who, although efficient, didn’t make a lot of big plays, and an overpaid cornerback who is on the downside and wasn’t a playmaker even in his prime years. THis year may not see a dramatic improvement but it will be some improvement.
I find the DL thing a bit confusing  
BillT : 6/8/2024 5:18 pm : link
Our two edge players, who were/are really more OLBs are now DEs and part of the defensive line? Are we running a 4-3 (or a 4-2-5). I get he expects pressure from a 4 man rush but are we expecting KT and Burns to be the DEs on early downs as well. Anyone have any insight on this.
secondary  
ElitoCanton : 6/8/2024 6:11 pm : link
is better than people believe and not as much pressure will be put on it because of the scheme change.
So who is this Matt Citak fella  
FranknWeezer : 6/8/2024 7:06 pm : link
That Giants.com is trotting out there with Schmeelk all of a sudden? Is Dottino headed to the house?
Pressure will cover up a lot of secondary  
larryflower37 : 6/8/2024 7:46 pm : link
Issues with that said I feel good about the young secondary growing together.
I also feel this offense can and will be explosive this year with an improved line.
Seems like  
ElitoCanton : 6/8/2024 7:49 pm : link
Citak has replace Medow. Dottino is still on a lot.
RE: I find the DL thing a bit confusing  
Klaatu : 6/9/2024 8:32 am : link
In comment 16533094 BillT said:
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Our two edge players, who were/are really more OLBs are now DEs and part of the defensive line? Are we running a 4-3 (or a 4-2-5). I get he expects pressure from a 4 man rush but are we expecting KT and Burns to be the DEs on early downs as well. Anyone have any insight on this.


You're not the only one who's confused. After reading some of the OTA reports, it sounds like Bowen wants to run a 4-1-6 quite often, which seems kind of light-in-the-pants to me.
Need somebody not named Dex to also hold up at the point of attack  
nygiantfan : 6/9/2024 8:40 am : link
this season. If they find that guy then I can see Thibs, Burns and Bobby O. all having impactful seasons.
The Giants basically ran a  
section125 : 6/9/2024 8:49 am : link
4-2-5 all last year. OLB/ER/DE? does it matter what they call it. Burns and Thibs are not small at near 260 each.

Not really sure how Bowen will set this up or what to expect. But if it works as well as in Tennessee, it should be fine.
I think people are getting  
TrueBlue56 : 6/9/2024 9:06 am : link
Too hung up on 4-3, 3-4 and other alignments. Thibs and Burns can both play from the defensive line position (hand on the ground) or linebacker position. It all depends on down and distance, personnel and defensive play call.

When on run defense calls, I would imagine more of a heavy set on the defensive line with burns and Thibs on the outside linebacker spots with Okereke.
The labels don't much matter  
HBart : 6/9/2024 9:12 am : link
Basham was drafted as a 275 LB lunch pail DE with a scout commenting he needed to slim down or eat his way inside.

He's listed as an OLB but depending on potato chip consumption could be a DT.
RE: I think people are getting  
bLiTz 2k : 6/9/2024 9:12 am : link
In comment 16533280 TrueBlue56 said:
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Too hung up on 4-3, 3-4 and other alignments. Thibs and Burns can both play from the defensive line position (hand on the ground) or linebacker position. It all depends on down and distance, personnel and defensive play call.

When on run defense calls, I would imagine more of a heavy set on the defensive line with burns and Thibs on the outside linebacker spots with Okereke.


People have been hung up on this for a long time...the NFL has changed, and the nomenclature used referring to defensive systems is not the same anymore.

I was trying to explain to my dad, that teams are in nickel majority of the time. What you are really looking at is how often teams run 5 man or 4 man fronts...

De/OLB doesn't reflect the actual player or position well enough anymore...hence why football people refer to those guys as Edge players now.

Bowen definitely ran lighter packages on early downs - we will see a mix of 4 and 5 man fronts, but trying to figure out if we are a 3-4 or a 4-3 team is a useless exercise in 2024 imo.
The fact that Daniel Jones looks healthy is good news  
gersh : 6/9/2024 9:55 am : link
As he is currently the best option at QB. Though I suspect many here like Locke better.
RE: So who is this Matt Citak fella  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/9/2024 10:06 am : link
In comment 16533126 FranknWeezer said:
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That Giants.com is trotting out there with Schmeelk all of a sudden? Is Dottino headed to the house?


He's not new.
RE: The fact that Daniel Jones looks healthy is good news  
HBart : 6/10/2024 9:31 am : link
In comment 16533290 gersh said:
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As he is currently the best option at QB. Though I suspect many here like Locke better.

While Jones is a new Giants (maybe all-time NFL) high-water mark, after a few bad games the backup inevitably, progressively, morphs into Tom Brady.
heard some Kirwan/Miller on NFLR and they said nyg will be 4-2-5 base  
Eric on Li : 6/10/2024 10:06 am : link
which is apparently also the same alignment dallas runs.

if so the personnel start making more sense:

burns, phillips, lawrence, thibodeaux
okereke, mcfadden
banks, flott, phillips/mccloud
pinnock, nubin/belton

basically 1 vet reserve at each spot (nacho, ojulari, simmons, holmes, mills, long) and 6-7 slots for young guys/STers to make roster (belton, hawkins, mccloud, coughlin, adams, muasau, owens, djd, riley, anderson, basham, etc).

they have some space to add a vet or 2 post-waller, i think id go with 2 or 3 cheaper players over 1 big splash and id try to hold some in reserve in case of injuries or trade opps closer to cutdown.
RE: The Giants basically ran a  
Angel Eyes : 6/10/2024 12:20 pm : link
In comment 16533279 section125 said:
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4-2-5 all last year. OLB/ER/DE? does it matter what they call it. Burns and Thibs are not small at near 260 each.

Not really sure how Bowen will set this up or what to expect. But if it works as well as in Tennessee, it should be fine.

It looked more like a 2-4-5 because Wink had Thibs, Ojulari, and Ward playing in a two-point stance most of the time.
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