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mittenedman : 6/8/2024 8:25 pm
Something Schoen's been preaching since he was hired is building things the right way. A sustainable winner. Through the draft, with homegrown players the fans can get behind. It takes longer than going for quick strikes in free agency. Buying a ring.

He's also preached positional value in the draft. These are his premium picks in the 1st 2 rounds since he's been here, and his big ticket free agent contracts:

QB - Daniel Jones (27, 2027)
WR1 - Malik Nabers (21, 2028)
WR2 - Jalin Hyatt (23, 2027)
slot - Wan'dale Robinson (23, 2026)
LT - Andrew Thomas (25, 2030)
C - John Michael Schmitz (25, 2027)
RT - Evan Neal (24, 2026)
DE - Brian Burns (26, 2029)
DE - Kayvon Thibodeaux (24, 2026)
DT - Dexter Lawrence (27, 2028)
3-down MLB - Bobby Okereke (28, 2027)
CB1 - Tae Banks (23, 2027)
S - Tyler Nubin (23, 2028)

This is the core of the football team. Pretty much the definition of built through the draft. That is more impact players than they've had in the past, enough to steer the team to wins. Following how this group of 13 develops is the story of the season. If these guys are clicking, they actually have some decent role players around them if not asked to do too much.
I've been critical of Schoen, but he's planted his best seeds in the right places, and people could be sleeping on this team, especially with Daboll taking over playcalling.
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RE: ...  
JT039 : 6/9/2024 1:42 pm : link
In comment 16533380 christian said:
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We need a guy who is a known producer. I’m looking for someone in Manhattan.



Your crusade against other BBIers who've been banned and returned under new handles is one of the best subplots cooking on BBI these days. I commend you sir.


I didnt call out any BBIers in that post. Just looking to upgrade the team. Lot of good athletes have come from the manhattan area.
Just for reference  
fanatic II : 6/9/2024 1:50 pm : link
On the presumed 53 man roster for Dallas they probably will have 8 players that have played for another organization.

QB Rush, 1 year with NYG
QB Lance, SF
RB Elliott, 1 year with NE
WR Cooks, various
LB Kendricks, Minnesota mainly
S Hooker, Indy
P Anger, LAR
LS Sieg, LV


This is probably not a fair comparison because Dallas probably has the most home grown talent of any roster in the NFL.
Looks like you aren't following the league  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/9/2024 1:51 pm : link
to well Googs. The two teams who played in the NFCCG last season have 1st round RB's. Teams all over the league have made huge investments in the positions you listed. Many of them are consistent playoff teams and SB winners.

Way to be on top of things with the basics.


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christian : 6/9/2024 2:12 pm : link
My favorite Giants roster of all time -- the 2011 championship team. Highlighted in yellow are Giants draft picks in rounds one and two.

Great pass rush, great secondary, great pass game.

From a roster construction perspective, I see a little bit of resource allocation similarity.

RE: RE: RE: This is year 7 of the rebuild  
Mbavaro : 6/9/2024 2:13 pm : link
In comment 16533353 Gatorade Dunk said:
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We're not rebuilding the right way. Management has been an illogical disaster. And we still have a laughably bad player at QB.

But yea... it's the right way.



Daboll and Schoen have been here for 7 years?

Good to know Producer/Manhattan


Finally, I figured it out - welcome back, Britt!


Wrong again l

If you are so convinced that I am a dupe as you incorrectly obsess over

Why don’t you just ask Eric

Then you’ll realize whst a total horses ass you are

I’ll go beck to ignoring you as Eric requested

You should do the same
RE: ...  
JT039 : 6/9/2024 2:17 pm : link
In comment 16533412 christian said:
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My favorite Giants roster of all time -- the 2011 championship team. Highlighted in yellow are Giants draft picks in rounds one and two.

Great pass rush, great secondary, great pass game.

From a roster construction perspective, I see a little bit of resource allocation similarity.



The one thing Reese was a master at as a scout and initially as GM was not finding just contributors but really really good players late in the draft. A guy like Gibril Wilson while not a star - helped a lot. Bradshaw, Diehl, Jacobs, Jacquin Williams were all big parts of both SBs.

And of course he hit some major home runs in UDFA and free agency.

to many missing pieces  
DavidinBMNY : 6/9/2024 2:18 pm : link
While the process is sound, the results are elusive.

I'm not sure the Giants have enough talent to have 5 NFL starters. CB2 and RB2 are huge questions. QB is mediocre at best.

On top of that some of those really young draftees from year 1 and year 2 need to develop - fast.
RE: You can say every GM  
UConn4523 : 6/9/2024 2:43 pm : link
In comment 16533355 mittenedman said:
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does it this way, but they don’t. Look at the above distribution - he’s literally nailed allocation to all the important positions. These guys are the prototypes for their position too.

When he’s backed up the BRINKS truck, it’s been at QB and the trenches. He’s refused to pay Barkley & McK (2 popular players) not at premium positions.

There’s applied logic and you can see what he’s trying to do. I give him credit for that.


But the results havent been there, so what are you giving him credit for? I like Schoen but if we aren’t finishing at 9+ wins than this was a failure.
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christian : 6/9/2024 2:45 pm : link
In comment 16533415 JT039 said:
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My favorite Giants roster of all time -- the 2011 championship team. Highlighted in yellow are Giants draft picks in rounds one and two.

Great pass rush, great secondary, great pass game.

From a roster construction perspective, I see a little bit of resource allocation similarity.

The one thing Reese was a master at as a scout and initially as GM was not finding just contributors but really really good players late in the draft. A guy like Gibril Wilson while not a star - helped a lot. Bradshaw, Diehl, Jacobs, Jacquin Williams were all big parts of both SBs.

And of course he hit some major home runs in UDFA and free agency.


I also think the staff did a great job developing players at all levels. Towards the end of that era, the number of diamonds in the rough dwindled down.
RE: RE: Not sure I follow  
giantstock : 6/9/2024 2:57 pm : link
In comment 16533334 christian said:
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how else do teams build if it’s not through the draft? Outside of outliers like the Rams, draft picks panning out pretty much determines success. Schoen isn’t doing anything 30 other teams aren’t trying to do.



Schoen has drafted players, signed free agents, and traded for players. A masterclass in building the right way.


A "Masterclass?" How about we've ben subjetcted to "a Fumbling class?" If we're talking drafts, name one OL he has drafted that has been at least decent?

And when you tell another poster "you know this . . ."-- Well you knwo QB is the most importoant position in the NFL. Please expalin where "the masterclass" has evovled for this position during his tenure?

And a 2nd rd Safety is "Masterclass" drafting?
RE: RE: You can say every GM  
mittenedman : 6/9/2024 3:02 pm : link
In comment 16533427 UConn4523 said:
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does it this way, but they don’t. Look at the above distribution - he’s literally nailed allocation to all the important positions. These guys are the prototypes for their position too.

When he’s backed up the BRINKS truck, it’s been at QB and the trenches. He’s refused to pay Barkley & McK (2 popular players) not at premium positions.

There’s applied logic and you can see what he’s trying to do. I give him credit for that.



But the results havent been there, so what are you giving him credit for? I like Schoen but if we aren’t finishing at 9+ wins than this was a failure.


I agree 100% and have been beating that drum for a while. I understand people are bearish on this team due to the last 12 years, but I have high expectations for this roster. If they stay healthy and don't win games, we've got the wrong guy picking the players or coaching the players.
I direct that at Jones specifically too.  
mittenedman : 6/9/2024 3:06 pm : link
He's got a good Offensive Head Coach who will be calling plays this year. He's got an All Pro LT and a nice WR trio with what looks like an elite WR1. Even if the OL blows, he's got plenty to work with at WR (like Burrow).

Win, or the Giants made a mistake with you. Nobody's reputation survives this team staying healthy and losing.
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christian : 6/9/2024 3:07 pm : link
In comment 16533437 giantstock said:
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how else do teams build if it’s not through the draft? Outside of outliers like the Rams, draft picks panning out pretty much determines success. Schoen isn’t doing anything 30 other teams aren’t trying to do.

Schoen has drafted players, signed free agents, and traded for players. A masterclass in building the right way.

A "Masterclass?" How about we've ben subjetcted to "a Fumbling class?" If we're talking drafts, name one OL he has drafted that has been at least decent?

And when you tell another poster "you know this . . ."-- Well you knwo QB is the most importoant position in the NFL. Please expalin where "the masterclass" has evovled for this position during his tenure?

And a 2nd rd Safety is "Masterclass" drafting?


Mumsy never quote did get sarcasm, did she?
RE: ...  
giantstock : 6/9/2024 3:26 pm : link
In comment 16533442 christian said:
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In comment 16533437 giantstock said:


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how else do teams build if it’s not through the draft? Outside of outliers like the Rams, draft picks panning out pretty much determines success. Schoen isn’t doing anything 30 other teams aren’t trying to do.

Schoen has drafted players, signed free agents, and traded for players. A masterclass in building the right way.

A "Masterclass?" How about we've ben subjetcted to "a Fumbling class?" If we're talking drafts, name one OL he has drafted that has been at least decent?

And when you tell another poster "you know this . . ."-- Well you knwo QB is the most importoant position in the NFL. Please expalin where "the masterclass" has evovled for this position during his tenure?

And a 2nd rd Safety is "Masterclass" drafting?



Mumsy never quote did get sarcasm, did she?


haha glad it was sarcasm. You're an excellent poster.
 
christian : 6/9/2024 3:54 pm : link
Hey man, these are weird times. You never know!
RE: Looks like you aren't following the league  
ThomasG : 6/9/2024 6:26 pm : link
In comment 16533399 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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to well Googs. The two teams who played in the NFCCG last season have 1st round RB's. Teams all over the league have made huge investments in the positions you listed. Many of them are consistent playoff teams and SB winners.

Way to be on top of things with the basics.



30 carries and a cloud of dust.

Chucklehead…
RE: RE: Looks like you aren't following the league  
JT039 : 6/9/2024 6:42 pm : link
In comment 16533555 ThomasG said:
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Chucklehead…


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Recall a few chuckleheads on here remarking after the last draft
Jimmy Googs : 12/23/2021 8:53 am : link
how that Chicago pick was going to be top 10 and likely top 5.

They didn’t make the comment that it would be with both though...


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chuckleheads
Jimmy Googs : 12/18/2021 8:43 pm : link
blaming Chris Mara!


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Remember all the chuckleheads that wanted to debate Jones
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2022 11:34 pm : link
was going to be good in 2021 because Josh Allen really only became a good QB from his Year 2 to Year 3?


Here’s a link if you want to read through more

History of chuckleheads plus another ID from 2010! - ( New Window )
Lol  
UConn4523 : 6/9/2024 7:08 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: This is year 7 of the rebuild  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/9/2024 7:12 pm : link
In comment 16533413 Mbavaro said:
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We're not rebuilding the right way. Management has been an illogical disaster. And we still have a laughably bad player at QB.

But yea... it's the right way.



Daboll and Schoen have been here for 7 years?

Good to know Producer/Manhattan


Finally, I figured it out - welcome back, Britt!



Wrong again l

If you are so convinced that I am a dupe as you incorrectly obsess over

Why don’t you just ask Eric

Then you’ll realize whst a total horses ass you are

I’ll go beck to ignoring you as Eric requested

You should do the same

The irony of you getting your diaper in a twist about getting called out in the same thread that you're trying to call out Producer (a handle that existed and was also banned before Mbavaro was ever registered) is pretty spectacular.

It doesn't matter who you actually are, you definitely just outed yourself as a dupe.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is year 7 of the rebuild  
Mbavaro : 6/9/2024 7:39 pm : link
In comment 16533570 Gatorade Dunk said:
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We're not rebuilding the right way. Management has been an illogical disaster. And we still have a laughably bad player at QB.

But yea... it's the right way.



Daboll and Schoen have been here for 7 years?

Good to know Producer/Manhattan


Finally, I figured it out - welcome back, Britt!



Wrong again l

If you are so convinced that I am a dupe as you incorrectly obsess over

Why don’t you just ask Eric

Then you’ll realize whst a total horses ass you are

I’ll go beck to ignoring you as Eric requested

You should do the same


The irony of you getting your diaper in a twist about getting called out in the same thread that you're trying to call out Producer (a handle that existed and was also banned before Mbavaro was ever registered) is pretty spectacular.

It doesn't matter who you actually are, you definitely just outed yourself as a dupe.


Nice spin
I was in here when he was Manhattan and it came to light he was also here under Producer as others started calling out in being here under a different name

Easy way to find out if i am a dupe….just ask Eric

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is year 7 of the rebuild  
JT039 : 6/9/2024 7:41 pm : link
In comment 16533583 Mbavaro said:
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Nice spin
I was in here when he was Manhattan and it came to light he was also here under Producer as others started calling out in being here under a different name

Easy way to find out if i am a dupe….just ask Eric


Ignore him. Bad day at the boggle tournament.
RE: RE: RE: Looks like you aren't following the league  
IchabodGiant : 6/9/2024 8:02 pm : link
In comment 16533561 JT039 said:
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Chucklehead…





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Recall a few chuckleheads on here remarking after the last draft
Jimmy Googs : 12/23/2021 8:53 am : link
how that Chicago pick was going to be top 10 and likely top 5.

They didn’t make the comment that it would be with both though...





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chuckleheads
Jimmy Googs : 12/18/2021 8:43 pm : link
blaming Chris Mara!





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Remember all the chuckleheads that wanted to debate Jones
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2022 11:34 pm : link
was going to be good in 2021 because Josh Allen really only became a good QB from his Year 2 to Year 3?



Here’s a link if you want to read through more History of chuckleheads plus another ID from 2010! - ( New Window )


lol.
And no less than 3 chuckleheads/dupes take the bait. Haha.  
ThomasG : 6/9/2024 10:04 pm : link
Also nice to see UConn and his massive ego weigh in too. So predictable.

Nighty night!
No bait taken  
JT039 : 6/9/2024 10:07 pm : link
You were exposed moron. Didn’t know about that first ID though!!

What a schlep you are.
Guess it’s not every day  
JT039 : 6/9/2024 10:09 pm : link
Someone expose themselves as a multiple dupe then backs it up by admitting it saying others take the bait

Let’s finish this off with a “…”
And you missed it always.  
ThomasG : 6/9/2024 10:10 pm : link
Once a dep, always a dip.

RE: And you missed it always.  
JT039 : 6/9/2024 10:12 pm : link
In comment 16533707 ThomasG said:
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Once a dep, always a dip.


No I actually caught it.

Thanks for admitting your Googs amongst other IDs. At least for once you admitted it.

Way to represent LBH!!!
So easily drawn into the light teacher.  
ThomasG : 6/9/2024 10:20 pm : link
Later.
Just to recap everyone  
JT039 : 6/9/2024 10:26 pm : link
Googs purposely outed himself with his moronic catch phrase that was linked to 3 other usernames now…. Because he wanted to “bait” us to showing everyone how many user names he truly has.

Man, he really got us!! There’s a reason why googs has been banned more than any poster on this site. There’s a reason why he brings absolutely nothing intelligent to this site. There’s a reason why he has more handles than anyone on this site.

If you haven’t figured out why Googs, you are not that bright son. And this just proves it. This I probably one of the funniest things I’ve read now on this site.

We took the “bait” - lol, absolutely hysterical.
RE: Just to recap everyone  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/10/2024 6:11 am : link
In comment 16533721 JT039 said:
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Googs purposely outed himself with his moronic catch phrase that was linked to 3 other usernames now…. Because he wanted to “bait” us to showing everyone how many user names he truly has.

Man, he really got us!! There’s a reason why googs has been banned more than any poster on this site. There’s a reason why he brings absolutely nothing intelligent to this site. There’s a reason why he has more handles than anyone on this site.

If you haven’t figured out why Googs, you are not that bright son. And this just proves it. This I probably one of the funniest things I’ve read now on this site.

We took the “bait” - lol, absolutely hysterical.

All of you are losers who can't manage to stick with one handle, dep. And you in particular are a fucking hypocrite for being right behind Googs in handles used and still acting like you have any right to be calling others out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is year 7 of the rebuild  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/10/2024 6:12 am : link
In comment 16533583 Mbavaro said:
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We're not rebuilding the right way. Management has been an illogical disaster. And we still have a laughably bad player at QB.

But yea... it's the right way.



Daboll and Schoen have been here for 7 years?

Good to know Producer/Manhattan


Finally, I figured it out - welcome back, Britt!



Wrong again l

If you are so convinced that I am a dupe as you incorrectly obsess over

Why don’t you just ask Eric

Then you’ll realize whst a total horses ass you are

I’ll go beck to ignoring you as Eric requested

You should do the same


The irony of you getting your diaper in a twist about getting called out in the same thread that you're trying to call out Producer (a handle that existed and was also banned before Mbavaro was ever registered) is pretty spectacular.

It doesn't matter who you actually are, you definitely just outed yourself as a dupe.



Nice spin
I was in here when he was Manhattan and it came to light he was also here under Producer as others started calling out in being here under a different name

Easy way to find out if i am a dupe….just ask Eric

I don't need to ask Eric. You already admitted it, dumbass.
Must have been a tough  
JT039 : 6/10/2024 6:51 am : link
Boggle tournament.
RE: Must have been a tough  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/10/2024 7:03 am : link
In comment 16533762 JT039 said:
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Boggle tournament.

Is the insinuation that you're cool and I'm not?

I can live with you believing that.
RE: RE: Must have been a tough  
JT039 : 6/10/2024 7:07 am : link
In comment 16533765 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Boggle tournament.


Is the insinuation that you're cool and I'm not?

I can live with you believing that.


Not at all. I actually believe you’re highly intelligent and seem like a very competitive person. Can’t get them all the time champ. Better luck next time.

I do not find myself better than any person here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is year 7 of the rebuild  
Mbavaro : 6/10/2024 8:50 am : link
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We're not rebuilding the right way. Management has been an illogical disaster. And we still have a laughably bad player at QB.

But yea... it's the right way.



Daboll and Schoen have been here for 7 years?

Good to know Producer/Manhattan


Finally, I figured it out - welcome back, Britt!



Wrong again l

If you are so convinced that I am a dupe as you incorrectly obsess over

Why don’t you just ask Eric

Then you’ll realize whst a total horses ass you are

I’ll go beck to ignoring you as Eric requested

You should do the same


The irony of you getting your diaper in a twist about getting called out in the same thread that you're trying to call out Producer (a handle that existed and was also banned before Mbavaro was ever registered) is pretty spectacular.

It doesn't matter who you actually are, you definitely just outed yourself as a dupe.



Nice spin
I was in here when he was Manhattan and it came to light he was also here under Producer as others started calling out in being here under a different name

Easy way to find out if i am a dupe….just ask Eric



I don't need to ask Eric. You already admitted it, dumbass.



No I didn’t and I explained why

Either get verification from the one person who can verify or STFU
more important  
fkap : 6/10/2024 9:02 am : link
than the Way is the execution. The batting average in acquisitions and retention, especially with the big swings, has to be high.

If you can't evaluate, "Way" doesn't matter.
RE: I direct that at Jones specifically too.  
SirLoinOfBeef : 6/10/2024 10:27 am : link
In comment 16533441 mittenedman said:
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He's got a good Offensive Head Coach who will be calling plays this year. He's got an All Pro LT and a nice WR trio with what looks like an elite WR1. Even if the OL blows, he's got plenty to work with at WR (like Burrow).

Win, or the Giants made a mistake with you. Nobody's reputation survives this team staying healthy and losing.


Imo unless the team implodes, Schoen/Daboll have a little more time. Especially Schoen.

If Jones continues to play poorly, he's gone after this season.

RE: RE: RE: Must have been a tough  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/10/2024 10:56 am : link
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Boggle tournament.


Is the insinuation that you're cool and I'm not?

I can live with you believing that.



Not at all. I actually believe you’re highly intelligent and seem like a very competitive person. Can’t get them all the time champ. Better luck next time.

I do not find myself better than any person here.

Might be your most accurate BBI post of all time under any of your handles, dep. Maybe there's hope for us after all.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is year 7 of the rebuild  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/10/2024 10:58 am : link
In comment 16533785 Mbavaro said:
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Either get verification from the one person who can verify or STFU

You wouldn't even know who Producer is if you weren't here prior to this handle.

I don't need to ask anyone to sort that out. It's obvious on its face. You could just admit what your prior handle(s) were, but you - like the rest of the dupe brigade - lack the character to do so.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is year 7 of the rebuild  
Mbavaro : 6/10/2024 11:18 am : link
In comment 16533848 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Either get verification from the one person who can verify or STFU


You wouldn't even know who Producer is if you weren't here prior to this handle.

I don't need to ask anyone to sort that out. It's obvious on its face. You could just admit what your prior handle(s) were, but you - like the rest of the dupe brigade - lack the character to do so.


One person can provide the answer and you choose not to find out

I explained how I knew and now….along with stalking me you now choose to personally insult me by saying I have a lack of character

Great job internet muscles….this is a message board and it’s sad that you choose to demean someone’s character

I’ll ignore your posts moving forward and I suggest you ignore mine
I won’t read the entire post but  
Go Giants : 6/10/2024 11:29 am : link
Jones was not drafted by this regime.
RE: I won’t read the entire post but  
mittenedman : 6/10/2024 11:37 am : link
In comment 16533871 Go Giants said:
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Jones was not drafted by this regime.


Gee, thanks for announcing you won't read the rest of the post. Cool.
He was drafted by the Giants and then re-signed to a second contract though. That's why I put the part about big ticket free agents being at premium positions, with guys just entering their prime.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is year 7 of the rebuild  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/10/2024 11:45 am : link
In comment 16533860 Mbavaro said:
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Either get verification from the one person who can verify or STFU


You wouldn't even know who Producer is if you weren't here prior to this handle.

I don't need to ask anyone to sort that out. It's obvious on its face. You could just admit what your prior handle(s) were, but you - like the rest of the dupe brigade - lack the character to do so.



One person can provide the answer and you choose not to find out

I explained how I knew and now….along with stalking me you now choose to personally insult me by saying I have a lack of character

Great job internet muscles….this is a message board and it’s sad that you choose to demean someone’s character

I’ll ignore your posts moving forward and I suggest you ignore mine

Internet muscles?

It's not like I'm threatening you. I'm just pointing out that you're a dupe, because you are.

I don't care if you ignore my posts. I already find you completely useless anyway.
It'd be really cool  
logman : 6/10/2024 11:50 am : link
if once in awhile a decent thread isn't derailed by idiots and their egos
Gatorade Dunk/Mbavaro  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/10/2024 12:14 pm : link
it's getting to the point where I am simply going to get rid of both of you.
RE: Gatorade Dunk/Mbavaro  
ChrisRick : 6/10/2024 12:37 pm : link
In comment 16533906 Eric from BBI said:
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it's getting to the point where I am simply going to get rid of both of you.


Lol  
UConn4523 : 6/10/2024 12:42 pm : link
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RE: Gatorade Dunk/Mbavaro  
Mike from Ohio : 6/10/2024 12:55 pm : link
In comment 16533906 Eric from BBI said:
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it's getting to the point where I am simply going to get rid of both of you.


Back on track  
Snorkels : 6/10/2024 2:38 pm : link
as usual I'm way late to the actual discussion, but it is something I have thought a lot about. First, there probably is no one way to build a team because no matter how its built you have to have good players. at the same time I really think the old 'build thru the draft' mantra, even though so many managers and coaches still swear by it, is kind of last century. Just think of the numbers. Just about every team turns it roster over about every 5 years and in any 5 year period a team will get @ 40 picks, but given the overall odds of success of draft picks - less than 50% when all rounds are figured - no team unless they get really likely can expect to get more than 15-20 players out of their drafts in any 5 year period. As a result, what I believe you almost have to do is find your key core impact players at impact positions with your high picks and then fill in the blanks as best as you can with later round picks and free agents. And given that it is a passing league those impact positions are QB, pass rushers, CBs, WRs and OTs (and especially LTs). Again I don't think one necessarily wants to be doctrinaire about it and pass on really good players early on at other positions, but if you are going to take players at other positions you really want them to be really good players and not just to fill a hole.

As an aside, while I was personally hoping that the Giants would take Nabers at #6 I am still more than a little surprised that they didn't take a QB there. My sense is that it may very well have come down to what Daboll wanted and/or pushed for in that he could have his own QB or stick with Jones while building up the weapons package available to the QB and he opted for the latter. We shall see.
RE: Back on track  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 6/10/2024 10:43 pm : link
In comment 16534030 Snorkels said:
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as usual I'm way late to the actual discussion, but it is something I have thought a lot about. First, there probably is no one way to build a team because no matter how its built you have to have good players. at the same time I really think the old 'build thru the draft' mantra, even though so many managers and coaches still swear by it, is kind of last century. Just think of the numbers. Just about every team turns it roster over about every 5 years and in any 5 year period a team will get @ 40 picks, but given the overall odds of success of draft picks - less than 50% when all rounds are figured - no team unless they get really likely can expect to get more than 15-20 players out of their drafts in any 5 year period. As a result, what I believe you almost have to do is find your key core impact players at impact positions with your high picks and then fill in the blanks as best as you can with later round picks and free agents. And given that it is a passing league those impact positions are QB, pass rushers, CBs, WRs and OTs (and especially LTs). Again I don't think one necessarily wants to be doctrinaire about it and pass on really good players early on at other positions, but if you are going to take players at other positions you really want them to be really good players and not just to fill a hole.

As an aside, while I was personally hoping that the Giants would take Nabers at #6 I am still more than a little surprised that they didn't take a QB there. My sense is that it may very well have come down to what Daboll wanted and/or pushed for in that he could have his own QB or stick with Jones while building up the weapons package available to the QB and he opted for the latter. We shall see.


Good post, and I wish more would end with"we shall see"!
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