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A Deep Dive Into the 2024 New York Giants

Klaatu : 6/9/2024 10:02 am
That Franchise Guy & Bengal

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We Dive Deep into the 2024 New York #Giants ... who rank 27th in my Power Rankings heading into the year. We preview EVERY aspect of their team for the upcoming season and beyond.

Formula for my Rankings:
OVR = 65% Offense, 33% Defense, 2% Special Teams
Offense = 67% Passing Game, 33% Run Game
Passing Game = 42% Quarterback, 28% Weapons, 19% Pass Blocking, 9% Pass Game Coaching, 2% OVR Coach & Culture
Run Game = 50% RB, 36% RBK, 12% Run Game Coaching, 2% OVR Coach & Culture
Defense = 68% Pass Defense 32% Run Defense
Pass Defense = 45% Pass Rush, 31% DB Coverage, 8% LB Coverage, 15% Pass Defense Coaching, 1% OVR Coach & Culture
Run Defense = 45% DL Run D, 30% LB Run D, 23% Run Defense Coaching, 2% OVR Coach & Culture

Chapters
Intro 0:00
Offseason Changes 1:17
Coach & Scheme 10:12
Quarterback 21:12
Weapons 32:57
Backfield 50:15
O-Line 56:47
Offensive Summary 1:08:58
D-Line 1:09:16
Linebackers 1:21:31
Secondary 1:26:12
Defensive Summary 1:38:17
Special Teams 1:40:06
Team Summary & Schedule 1:41:08
Interview With Bengal 1:46:27

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Was this a  
Giants : 6/9/2024 10:46 am : link
2ft pool. Asking for a friend
Those formulas seem pretty arbitrary  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 6/9/2024 10:50 am : link
If not flat out absurd.

Overall, offense counts twice as much as defense? QB affects less than half of the passing game score? Offensive line's impact on the running game?

Potential for lots of discussion I guess. Curious to see how this thread develops.

RE: Those formulas seem pretty arbitrary  
Pepe LePugh : 6/9/2024 11:18 am : link
In comment 16533312 HopePhil and Optimistic said:
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If not flat out absurd.

Overall, offense counts twice as much as defense? QB affects less than half of the passing game score? Offensive line's impact on the running game?

Potential for lots of discussion I guess. Curious to see how this thread develops.

2% for ST is outdated with new KO rules. There’s gonna be many “chunk” returns past mid field that will affect W/L this season.
18% of the overall grade is based on the QB  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/9/2024 11:18 am : link
Not a great calculus for the Giants to score well.
RE: 18% of the overall grade is based on the QB  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 6/9/2024 1:15 pm : link
In comment 16533319 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Not a great calculus for the Giants to score well.


How did you get 18%? And does the number even matter? I think everyone agrees that QB play is important.

BTW, I've never heard of these Podcaster. What's their reputation?

Yeah,  
Gman11 : 6/9/2024 1:44 pm : link
I'm going to waste 2 hours of my time on some guy that makes up stuff to fit his agenda.
RE: Yeah,  
4xchamps : 6/9/2024 1:47 pm : link
In comment 16533388 Gman11 said:
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I'm going to waste 2 hours of my time on some guy that makes up stuff to fit his agenda.


Actually I'd say his take on the Giants was WAY MORE reasonable than most Giants fans here.
RE: Yeah,  
Klaatu : 6/9/2024 4:38 pm : link
In comment 16533388 Gman11 said:
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I'm going to waste 2 hours of my time on some guy that makes up stuff to fit his agenda.


What's his agenda, and what has he made up to fit it?

Please be specific.
RE: Yeah,  
ThomasG : 6/9/2024 6:28 pm : link
In comment 16533388 Gman11 said:
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I'm going to waste 2 hours of my time on some guy that makes up stuff to fit his agenda.


What’s yours?
RE: RE: 18% of the overall grade is based on the QB  
mfjmfj : 6/10/2024 5:10 am : link
In comment 16533351 HopePhil and Optimistic said:
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In comment 16533319 Gatorade Dunk said:


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Not a great calculus for the Giants to score well.



How did you get 18%? And does the number even matter? I think everyone agrees that QB play is important.

BTW, I've never heard of these Podcaster. What's their reputation?


I think it is actually 28% (65%*45%). Really hard to formalize this process in my mind. I think Mahomes is worth more than that. I think Purdy is worth a lot less. It depends on how you structure your team.
RE: RE: 18% of the overall grade is based on the QB  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/10/2024 6:27 am : link
In comment 16533351 HopePhil and Optimistic said:
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In comment 16533319 Gatorade Dunk said:


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Not a great calculus for the Giants to score well.



How did you get 18%? And does the number even matter? I think everyone agrees that QB play is important.

BTW, I've never heard of these Podcaster. What's their reputation?

Overall: 65% offense, 33% defense, 2% specials - 65%

Of that 65% for offense: 67% passing game, 33% running game - 67% of 65%, or 43.55%

Of that 67% (passing game) of that 65% (offense): 42% QB, 28% Weapons, 19% Pass Blocking, 9% Pass Game Coaching, 2% OVR Coach & Culture - 42% of 43.55%, or 18.291% of the team's overall score, is attributable to QB by the valuation listed in the OP.

I'm not making a case for or against the percentages that are listed here, just pointing out that however they were arrived upon (likely arbitrarily, but I'd be open to the data if it exists), they reflect an implied 18.3% of the overall score being a product solely of the QB.
RE: RE: RE: 18% of the overall grade is based on the QB  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 6/10/2024 10:12 pm : link
In comment 16533759 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 16533351 HopePhil and Optimistic said:


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In comment 16533319 Gatorade Dunk said:


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Not a great calculus for the Giants to score well.



How did you get 18%? And does the number even matter? I think everyone agrees that QB play is important.

BTW, I've never heard of these Podcaster. What's their reputation?



Overall: 65% offense, 33% defense, 2% specials - 65%

Of that 65% for offense: 67% passing game, 33% running game - 67% of 65%, or 43.55%

Of that 67% (passing game) of that 65% (offense): 42% QB, 28% Weapons, 19% Pass Blocking, 9% Pass Game Coaching, 2% OVR Coach & Culture - 42% of 43.55%, or 18.291% of the team's overall score, is attributable to QB by the valuation listed in the OP.

I'm not making a case for or against the percentages that are listed here, just pointing out that however they were arrived upon (likely arbitrarily, but I'd be open to the data if it exists), they reflect an implied 18.3% of the overall score being a product solely of the QB.


Thank you, much appreciated.
What percent of the run game is due to the QB,  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 6/10/2024 10:20 pm : link
Or the threat he might run and the defense needs to use a player as a spy?
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