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TE Darren Waller retires

Anakim : 6/9/2024 3:41 pm
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Darren Waller is retiring.

He has informed the #Giants of his decision, per @RapSheet.
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Who????  
OBJRoyal : 6/9/2024 7:06 pm : link
Won’t be missed at all really
RE: Man.  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/9/2024 7:14 pm : link
In comment 16533460 Johnny5 said:
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We really have sucked at the whole Free agency thing for a while now... lol

When was Waller a free agent?
He was wonderful  
Gman11 : 6/9/2024 7:34 pm : link
at celebrating his first down catch with the team down 24-0.

Other than that, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
RE: Man.  
cjac : 6/9/2024 7:35 pm : link
In comment 16533460 Johnny5 said:
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We really have sucked at the whole Free agency thing for a while now... lol


We traded a draft pick for him, but to be fair, we have sucked at everything for a decade
That's fine.  
eclipz928 : 6/9/2024 7:50 pm : link
This team is in the midst of a rebuild and needs to get younger anyway.

I agreed with the trade when it happened - if we were going to be stuck running it back with Daniel Jones then Schoen needed to try to give him as many resources as possible and give him the best chance for success.

It was a two year deal that really wasn't going to set the team back much if it didn't work out (which obviously it didn't). I wish Waller well in his retirement.
RE: Hindsight is 20/20 of course  
section125 : 6/9/2024 8:23 pm : link
In comment 16533473 moespree said:
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But man. Horrendous trade. A 3rd round pick for him.


No it wasn't a horrendous trade. It was a trade that did not work out as hoped.
for those still defending the trade  
Giantsfan79 : 6/9/2024 8:25 pm : link
how many more missed trades have to occur before you start to question if Schoen has the right wisdom to be the GM?
RE: for those still defending the trade  
Mbavaro : 6/9/2024 8:36 pm : link
In comment 16533606 Giantsfan79 said:
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how many more missed trades have to occur before you start to question if Schoen has the right wisdom to be the GM?


How many trades has JS missed on?

There was literally nothing wrong with this trade
RE: Hindsight is 20/20 of course  
Will Shine : 6/9/2024 8:38 pm : link
In comment 16533473 moespree said:
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But man. Horrendous trade. A 3rd round pick for him.


My recollection was that the trade was well received
RE: RE: for those still defending the trade  
Giantsfan79 : 6/9/2024 8:46 pm : link
In comment 16533610 Mbavaro said:
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how many more missed trades have to occur before you start to question if Schoen has the right wisdom to be the GM?



How many trades has JS missed on?

There was literally nothing wrong with this trade


it didn't work out - and that's the only thing that matters. If Schoen makes more decisions that don't work out, at some point he should be replaced. Just trying to figure out where others think that point is.
RE: RE: RE: for those still defending the trade  
Mbavaro : 6/9/2024 8:48 pm : link
In comment 16533621 Giantsfan79 said:
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how many more missed trades have to occur before you start to question if Schoen has the right wisdom to be the GM?



How many trades has JS missed on?

There was literally nothing wrong with this trade



it didn't work out - and that's the only thing that matters. If Schoen makes more decisions that don't work out, at some point he should be replaced. Just trying to figure out where others think that point is.



There guy has literally made 2 trades or significance

Waller and Burns

Do one doesn’t work out and you are already asking this question?

Gimme a break
Good  
Spider43 : 6/9/2024 9:27 pm : link
Riddance.
RE: That's fine.  
Del Shofner : 6/9/2024 9:50 pm : link
In comment 16533589 eclipz928 said:
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This team is in the midst of a rebuild and needs to get younger anyway.

I agreed with the trade when it happened - if we were going to be stuck running it back with Daniel Jones then Schoen needed to try to give him as many resources as possible and give him the best chance for success.

It was a two year deal that really wasn't going to set the team back much if it didn't work out (which obviously it didn't). I wish Waller well in his retirement.


+1
Not sure why people on here are upset  
TommytheElephant : 6/9/2024 9:51 pm : link
This means we get another 2nd rounder from New Orleans for Shockey
Was that announcement dated  
thrunthrublue : 6/9/2024 10:17 pm : link
June 2023?
RE: Not sure why people on here are upset  
Aaroninma : 6/9/2024 10:33 pm : link
In comment 16533692 TommytheElephant said:
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This means we get another 2nd rounder from New Orleans for Shockey


There it is!
RE: Glad  
Milton : 6/9/2024 10:41 pm : link
In comment 16533501 AcidTest said:
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the drama is finally over.
It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings. He can unretire after his divorce settles or after training camp ends or who knows when. I'm not sure how that all works in terms of fines and cap implications, but I'm not convinced we've heard the last of him.
Schoen's first attempt  
Blueworm : 6/9/2024 10:52 pm : link
At getting a #1 receiver.

The second time should be better.
RE: RE: RE: RE: for those still defending the trade  
NYDCBlue : 6/9/2024 11:26 pm : link
In comment 16533623 Mbavaro said:
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how many more missed trades have to occur before you start to question if Schoen has the right wisdom to be the GM?



How many trades has JS missed on?

There was literally nothing wrong with this trade



it didn't work out - and that's the only thing that matters. If Schoen makes more decisions that don't work out, at some point he should be replaced. Just trying to figure out where others think that point is.




There guy has literally made 2 trades or significance

Waller and Burns

Do one doesn’t work out and you are already asking this question?

Gimme a break


Also Boogie Bash.... That has been a bad trade thus far, however only a 6th.
terrible  
Giants4me : 6/9/2024 11:27 pm : link
trade given the state of the OL at the time.

Joe Schoen better hope his last two drafts produce or he'll be
shuffling back to Buffalo.
RE: He should  
capone : 6/10/2024 12:10 am : link
In comment 16533475 crooza172 said:
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Immediately retire from music next.


Music video is incredibly bad. I wasn’t expecting much but it was far worse.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: for those still defending the trade  
RomanWH : 6/10/2024 1:09 am : link
In comment 16533740 NYDCBlue said:
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how many more missed trades have to occur before you start to question if Schoen has the right wisdom to be the GM?



How many trades has JS missed on?

There was literally nothing wrong with this trade



it didn't work out - and that's the only thing that matters. If Schoen makes more decisions that don't work out, at some point he should be replaced. Just trying to figure out where others think that point is.




There guy has literally made 2 trades or significance

Waller and Burns

Do one doesn’t work out and you are already asking this question?

Gimme a break



Also Boogie Bash.... That has been a bad trade thus far, however only a 6th.


Don't forget the 7th rounder for Simmons from Arizona.
Shocked !!!!  
short lease : 6/10/2024 1:28 am : link
He should have never been acquired in the first place!!

North of 30 and a huge history of injuries .... what were they thinking?
RE: RE: Hindsight is 20/20 of course  
AlwaysASpiral : 6/10/2024 6:13 am : link
In comment 16533490 TrueBlue56 said:
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But man. Horrendous trade. A 3rd round pick for him.



He still contributed more than Toney did.


It isn't about Tony. Getting a nice 3rd round pick for him and wasting it doesn't make anyone feel any better.

We could have gotten an extremely nice cost controlled player in the 3rd round and we got 1 year of nada. Imagine another lineman.
RE: Shocked !!!!  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/10/2024 6:14 am : link
In comment 16533748 short lease said:
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He should have never been acquired in the first place!!

North of 30 and a huge history of injuries .... what were they thinking?

This is what they were thinking:

"We have to get more weapons for Daniel."

That's why trying to fix the shit around your QB (instead of trying to fix the actual QB problem) is just as difficult a needle to thread, IMO.
RE: terrible  
Toth029 : 6/10/2024 6:18 am : link
In comment 16533742 Giants4me said:
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trade given the state of the OL at the time.

Joe Schoen better hope his last two drafts produce or he'll be
shuffling back to Buffalo.


He's been trying to address the line with premium picks. Neal wasn't a controversial pick, and neither was Schmitz. Coaching and development has to be better, though.
The Waller trade did not pan out, but  
kdog77 : 6/10/2024 6:48 am : link
he was 2nd on the team in receptions (52) and 2nd in receiving yards (552) in 12 games. It really puts into perspective just how bad the Giants were on offense last year.
RE: The big exception  
Ira : 6/10/2024 8:20 am : link
In comment 16533535 mittenedman said:
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of course is Deon Grant. What a great signing that was, by Reese. Even after he had Rolle & Phillips.


There have been a number or exceptions. OJ Anderson and Sam Madison to name a couple.
BBI update  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/10/2024 8:23 am : link
with salary-cap ramifications...


Darren Waller Announces His Retirement - ( New Window )
Cannot predict injuries  
bc4life : 6/10/2024 8:34 am : link
And, when they traded for him - they did not have much in the way of receiving weapons. Was worth the risk - did not work out. Wish him well. We have 2 solid blocking TEs and some young players we can develop.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: for those still defending the trade  
Mbavaro : 6/10/2024 8:47 am : link
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how many more missed trades have to occur before you start to question if Schoen has the right wisdom to be the GM?



How many trades has JS missed on?

There was literally nothing wrong with this trade



it didn't work out - and that's the only thing that matters. If Schoen makes more decisions that don't work out, at some point he should be replaced. Just trying to figure out where others think that point is.




There guy has literally made 2 trades or significance

Waller and Burns

Do one doesn’t work out and you are already asking this question?

Gimme a break



Also Boogie Bash.... That has been a bad trade thus far, however only a 6th.



Don't forget the 7th rounder for Simmons from Arizona.


Again I said major trade

For a 7th rd pick….i wouldn’t exactly call that trade a bust

Excellent  
Harvest Blend : 6/10/2024 9:16 am : link
This money can be well spent and I'm OK with the TE position anyway.
Curious as to thoughts on available DL still out there  
Chris684 : 6/10/2024 9:41 am : link
I'm looking at the DL depth chart other than Dex and I'm seeing some holes. There's certainly a lot of youth, but a lot of question marks as well.
The guy LV drafted with the pick scored more TDs than Waller did  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/10/2024 10:03 am : link
...Not saying the Giants shouldn't have made the trade at the time, but really shows how little production the Giants got for Waller for the $12 million.
Tre Tucker - ( New Window )
Good Sports Illustrated article on his retirement  
Marty in Albany : 6/10/2024 11:21 am : link
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Link - ( New Window )
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/10/2024 12:01 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Was tied up yesterday, so here are a few additional thoughts on Darren Waller's retirement:

• Most of the focus has understandably been on the cap impact for the Giants, but Waller left serious money on the table. Had he been on the roster in Week 1, he would have guaranteed his $10.5M salary for the season. He would have earned another $200K by participating in the offseason program and would have earned an additional $75K for every game he was active. Walking away from $12M can't be a decision made lightly.

• Waller referenced in his retirement video that he thinks he owes the Giants $750K in bonus money. That's from his restructure last year. Instead of a straight restructure to convert $9.8M of his base salary into a bonus for cap purposes, $8.8 was converted into a bonus for cap purposes (and got paid out weekly during the season) and he got $1M in a signing bonus last April.

The Giants could try to recoup the $750K proration remaining from that signing bonus, but I would be surprised if they went that route, especially with them releasing a statement about their respect for him as a person.

• Waller's retirement will open a roster spot. Imagine the Giants will have a few vets participate in this week's minicamp as tryouts as they've done in the past.

• Waller had 52 catches for 552 yards in 12 games during a disappointing 2023 season. Aside from Daniel Bellinger, the four other tight ends on the roster with NFL experience have combined for 68 catches for 665 yards in 207 games.
What is the deal with his "near death"  
jvm52106 : 6/10/2024 12:07 pm : link
experience last November. That seems pretty odd and somewhat shady considering nothing was mentioned about him being sick etc at that time. This coming out now and the way he describes it leaves a LOT to wonder about.

I wish the dude well but clearly he needs outside counsel and help to stay the course.
RE: What is the deal with his  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/10/2024 12:09 pm : link
In comment 16533899 jvm52106 said:
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experience last November. That seems pretty odd and somewhat shady considering nothing was mentioned about him being sick etc at that time. This coming out now and the way he describes it leaves a LOT to wonder about.

I wish the dude well but clearly he needs outside counsel and help to stay the course.


I didn't include it in my front page update because it seems fishy to me.
RE: RE: Man.  
Johnny5 : 6/10/2024 12:17 pm : link
In comment 16533574 Gatorade Dunk said:
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We really have sucked at the whole Free agency thing for a while now... lol


When was Waller a free agent?

Yeah, OK I misspoke. Appreciate the callout. I think you know what I mean. Trades, Free agents, etc. Doesn't matter. We have SUCKED at evaluating and signing other teams' players other than Leonard Williams. Regardless of how we came by adding them. I'm Hopeful Burns breaks the typical trend, but the point stands.
The obvious question here given Waller's history,  
Chris684 : 6/10/2024 12:18 pm : link
and with everything surrounding his relationship and this strung out retirement, is did Waller suffer a relapse in his fight against personal demons?

I hope he remains healthy, but I'm glad to be moving on in terms of football.
Does this strike anyone else as strange?  
Mike from Ohio : 6/10/2024 12:50 pm : link
From Duggan's post:

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The Giants could try to recoup the $750K proration remaining from that signing bonus, but I would be surprised if they went that route, especially with them releasing a statement about their respect for him as a person.


Why would a business simply forget about $750K they are owed because they person who owes it is a nice guy?

Getting that back from Waller has no cap implications so I am not suggesting it is hurting the team, and it's the Maras' and Tischs' money not mine, but it seems odd to me to waive a substantial amount owed by someone who should certainly be able to repay it for ending their contract early.
RE: Does this strike anyone else as strange?  
Chris684 : 6/10/2024 1:03 pm : link
In comment 16533927 Mike from Ohio said:
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From Duggan's post:



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The Giants could try to recoup the $750K proration remaining from that signing bonus, but I would be surprised if they went that route, especially with them releasing a statement about their respect for him as a person.



Why would a business simply forget about $750K they are owed because they person who owes it is a nice guy?

Getting that back from Waller has no cap implications so I am not suggesting it is hurting the team, and it's the Maras' and Tischs' money not mine, but it seems odd to me to waive a substantial amount owed by someone who should certainly be able to repay it for ending their contract early.


All I can think of is that in terms NFL big business 750k is just not meaningful enough to perhaps take a chance in having the team look small in the eyes of other more important players in terms of business. The other thing is, maybe they don't want Waller reconsidering anything in terms of retirement so let sleeping dogs lie.
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jvm52106 : 6/10/2024 2:01 pm : link
In comment 16533900 Eric from BBI said:
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experience last November. That seems pretty odd and somewhat shady considering nothing was mentioned about him being sick etc at that time. This coming out now and the way he describes it leaves a LOT to wonder about.

I wish the dude well but clearly he needs outside counsel and help to stay the course.



I didn't include it in my front page update because it seems fishy to me.


Yeah, his whole description of the issue and what happened seems very, very questionable and worrisome. But, he is no longer on the Giants so whatever the issues are they won't upset the season or the team. I hope he gets the help he seems to need.
RE: RE: RE: Man.  
SirLoinOfBeef : 6/10/2024 2:04 pm : link
In comment 16533910 Johnny5 said:
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We really have sucked at the whole Free agency thing for a while now... lol


When was Waller a free agent?


Yeah, OK I misspoke. Appreciate the callout. I think you know what I mean. Trades, Free agents, etc. Doesn't matter. We have SUCKED at evaluating and signing other teams' players other than Leonard Williams. Regardless of how we came by adding them. I'm Hopeful Burns breaks the typical trend, but the point stands.


Bobby Okereke looks good so far.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Man.  
Johnny5 : 6/10/2024 2:10 pm : link
In comment 16534000 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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We really have sucked at the whole Free agency thing for a while now... lol


When was Waller a free agent?


Yeah, OK I misspoke. Appreciate the callout. I think you know what I mean. Trades, Free agents, etc. Doesn't matter. We have SUCKED at evaluating and signing other teams' players other than Leonard Williams. Regardless of how we came by adding them. I'm Hopeful Burns breaks the typical trend, but the point stands.



Bobby Okereke looks good so far.

Yep that's definitely true. So Williams and Okereke definite hits. So 2 out of how many FA and trade targets over the past 10 years or so. Not good. Not sure why people are disagreeing with me on this... lol
Man he was such a good TE not that long ago  
NINEster : 6/10/2024 3:42 pm : link
Probably the second best receiving TE just two years ago.

Really sucks, tough break for everyone involved.

Condolences.
RE: Man he was such a good TE not that long ago  
shyster : 6/10/2024 3:54 pm : link
In comment 16534084 NINEster said:
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Probably the second best receiving TE just two years ago.


No, not even close. Two years ago (2022) he caught 28 balls for 388 yards. Three years ago (2021) his stats were about the same as they were in 2023 for the Giants.

You have to go back four years, to 2020, to find the guy that fits your description.
RE: RE: RE: What is the deal with his  
FranknWeezer : 6/10/2024 4:25 pm : link
In comment 16533997 jvm52106 said:
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experience last November. That seems pretty odd and somewhat shady considering nothing was mentioned about him being sick etc at that time. This coming out now and the way he describes it leaves a LOT to wonder about.

I wish the dude well but clearly he needs outside counsel and help to stay the course.



I didn't include it in my front page update because it seems fishy to me.



Yeah, his whole description of the issue and what happened seems very, very questionable and worrisome. But, he is no longer on the Giants so whatever the issues are they won't upset the season or the team. I hope he gets the help he seems to need.


Not to mention he spent his weekend away from the team's weekend road trip to play his former team deciding to go and record a song, and he got 'deathly ill' on the way home from that? Whole thing is suspect af.
RE: Not sure why people on here are upset  
DavidinBMNY : 6/10/2024 6:57 pm : link
In comment 16533692 TommytheElephant said:
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This means we get another 2nd rounder from New Orleans for Shockey
that is a 2nd 2nd rd pick - no?
The trade was a risk  
DavidinBMNY : 6/10/2024 7:00 pm : link
And it bombed. But it was an exciting and aggressive move at the time. I liked it and the creativity of it.

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