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| Pro Football Focus recently broke down the top triple-threat wide receivers in the NFL last season. The analytics site took a look at three different aspects of wide receivers' stats - yards after the catch per reception, contested catch rate and separation rate - and broke down the receivers that ranked above the 60th percentile in all three facets. One of the few players to make the list was Giants wide receiver Wan'Dale Robinson... |
I love WDR, I hope his role stretches the field more next year. He's a first down machine on those dump offs, but I'd like to see doing more damage than 9 YPR.
I love WDR, I hope his role stretches the field more next year. He's a first down machine on those dump offs, but I'd like to see doing more damage than 9 YPR.
85% of his targets averaged less than 4 yards downfield but with 5+ yac.
he basically plays the 2021 cole beasley role:
(nabers will now likely slot into diggs role, hyatt/slayton in the gabe davis role)
The Bills offense was eletric under Daboll with the Diggs/Beasley duo, even with a bad OL. Daboll was masterful getting the slot open off Diggs.
And if you over-committ to these 2 - Hyatt's on the backside 1on1.
Nabers - Hyatt - Robinson SHOULD BE a bitch to defend.
The Bills offense was eletric under Daboll with the Diggs/Beasley duo, even with a bad OL. Daboll was masterful getting the slot open off Diggs.
And if you over-committ to these 2 - Hyatt's on the backside 1on1.
Nabers - Hyatt - Robinson SHOULD BE a bitch to defend.
Throw in TE Johnson....
They've been missing a #1 WR for so long, it's really killed the offense IMO. Everyone being asked to do too much. I believe Nabers is going to be that huge pressure-reliever that allows everyone to settle into roles they can thrive.
Even Slayton as the #4, all the sudden this guy's dangerous. He'll be working 1on1 and nobody will be paying attention to him. He can win.
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Jeez, typical DJ hater with your expectations! Just give it a rest already. Still needs a stud TE and RB.
Wan'Dale REALLY impressed me last season when he came back---this coming from someone who wasn't high on him either. I'm really excited to see what he can do this year, especially with this group of WRs playing with him.
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He will have 3 legit receivers and really 4 if you count Slayton.... now let's see what he does with it. I'm excited!
Jeez, typical DJ hater with your expectations! Just give it a rest already. Still needs a stud TE and RB.
LOL, I'm one of the few around here that thinks DJ has every tool needed to be a great QB.
it wasn't true. he was almost the same size as beasley (who was actually an inch shorter and a few pounds lighter 5'7 175 at his combine).
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The offense noticeably improved when he returned. I was surprised at how good he was overall. Sound point about Wandale in the Beasley role.
The Bills offense was eletric under Daboll with the Diggs/Beasley duo, even with a bad OL. Daboll was masterful getting the slot open off Diggs.
And if you over-committ to these 2 - Hyatt's on the backside 1on1.
Nabers - Hyatt - Robinson SHOULD BE a bitch to defend.
Throw in TE Johnson....
I think TJ is going to be a serious matchup problem if puts the work in preseason, that big and that fast... Thunder complimenting 3 bolts of lightening in Nabers, WDR and Hyatt
Total 1st downs
1st down percentage on 3rd and 4th down
Target percentage in end zone
Target percentage on 3rd and 4th downs
...for starters.
Scoring and keeping drives alive is what matters.
With 4th and 25, catching a 1 yard pass with 23 YAC is meaningless.
They will probably be at their worst when the Preseason games start. And game one vs Minny they will have the least practice time in the system and experience playing together. It'll take time but should improve. Patience and managing expectations will be a challenge.
he basically plays the 2021 cole beasley role:
(nabers will now likely slot into diggs role, hyatt/slayton in the gabe davis role)
To my eyes, Robinson is a better downfield threat than end-of-career Beasley. But if that is the role, so be it.
I like the Bills 2021 example as an aspirational goal. I suspect the Giants throw the ball to the running backs and TEs less, which would be great.
The 2023 Giants had 4 2s and no no. 1. The 2021 Bills had a no. 1 and 4 no. 2s.
given how this depth chart has developed, down to hodgins/mckenzie possibly as depth guys and singletary at RB with daboll calling plays, it feels like they are aiming to play that way. bills were a 58% passing team in 2021 and that was about what nyg were back half 2022. all of the bills receivers were not just slot capable, but known as slot first producers to that point (sanders, diggs, beasley). the current nyg giants wrs are similar and all except nabers/theo johnson have now been in this system for 2-3 seasons.
knox is interesting because even he played a lot of slot that year (41%, which was 247 snaps). i tend to agree with you the nyg will feature their TEs more sparingly in defined roles (like RZ) and a lot of those slot snaps will go to nabers/hyatt. bellinger has been 24% slot both years. theo johnson was 38% at PSU so maybe if he's better than expected right away he can grow that role bigger.
i feel pretty confident health permitting nabers and wandale will both push towards 100 targets.
i think slayton, hyatt, bellinger will all be 50+. singletary probably also right around that.
That's 400 out of ~500/600 targets. the next buf WR on that list is kumerow with just 5 targets so it's also possible im way too low on nabers/wandale or a 3rd WR/2nd TE getting 50+ more targets than expected.
Favorite plays of the season? That's just sad.
It wasn't even a TD, but it was against the worst defense in the NFL in 2023.
Who he was last year definitely has to take into account returning from a torn ACL, but he was the functional equivalent of 2022 Richie James (70/57/569).
6.7 yards per touch is closer to a RB number than a number two pass catcher. If his role is outlet guy, I'd like to see him gain more YAC.
I agree with the Beasley comp, but <700 yards on >100 targets isn't good football.
It wasn't even a TD, but it was against the worst defense in the NFL in 2023.
Nice showcase of his ability to get open and juke defenders, that’s all. Lighten up.
Who he was last year definitely has to take into account returning from a torn ACL, but he was the functional equivalent of 2022 Richie James (70/57/569).
6.7 yards per touch is closer to a RB number than a number two pass catcher. If his role is outlet guy, I'd like to see him gain more YAC.
I agree with the Beasley comp, but <700 yards on >100 targets isn't good football.
he is more talented than beasley and the game has changed to where smaller explosive players can thrive. i dont think it's a coincidence pff had stats that linked wandale and zay flowers, i think they are comparable talents and a season like zay just had is very much possible for wandale (who is actually a few months younger than flowers since he came out early).
65% of targets averaging less than 3.8 yards down field. obviously a lot of production in those 9 deep catches, but he was basically getting 1 deep shot per game and caught less than half. that seems achievable for wandale, especially if nabers dictates extra coverage his way and the OL can protect. in fact the biggest concern id have with wandale not getting that many shots downfield is that the giants have a lot of alternatives all of a sudden with hyatt, nabers, slayton.
If you look at the shorter targets, vs the longer targets, that is the key difference between the two of them. They are pretty much the same guy with the short stuff, Flowers has that additional component. I have faith Robinson can too.
If Robinson got +30 targets next year and they were of the medium to deep variety, he can be that guy.
If you look at the shorter targets, vs the longer targets, that is the key difference between the two of them. They are pretty much the same guy with the short stuff, Flowers has that additional component. I have faith Robinson can too.
If Robinson got +30 targets next year and they were of the medium to deep variety, he can be that guy.
i think the question is less if he can produce with those targets but more if he will get them? last year they went to slayton and hyatt. they respectively each had 17/18 deep targets. now add in nabers.
zay got 23 of baltimores 68 deep targets last year. obj and bateman each got 15. lamar completed a total of 22. last year the nyg actually completed almost the same number (20x 20+):
Tyrod 11/27
Devito 7/14
Jones 2/11
wandale was 2/6 last year deep and 0/1 in 2022. at UK he was very productive deep. i just dont see any path to him getting 20+ deep targets behind slayton, hyatt, nabers unless one of those guys gets hurt or the offense goes nuclear with 80+ deep targets.
I think with a player his size the initial instinct is to relegate him to a "player in space" role. But Robinson has downfield ability as well. I'd like to see him get more medium depth targets, because I agree Nabers/Hyatt/Slayton will get the deep shots.
If Robinson is going to approach 20% of the total targets, I'd like to see either the depth of the targets increase or the YAC. Because if there are 75 short targets earmarked for Robinson, I think you can make a strong argument to just get those to Nabers instead.