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So how would you spend the Giants newfound $11.6 million?

Giantsfan79 : 6/10/2024 1:29 pm
Do you sign a remaining free agent?

Do you try to trade for a veteran?

Do you pay down some bonuses this year to get more cap space next year?

Do you hold it now to see if someone gets hurt?
Giantsfan79  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/10/2024 1:32 pm : link
All teams need to have a reserve like this to sign players once injuries hit.

They will sign someone soon to replace the roster spot, but the rest is the emergency fund.
Leave it for potential vet  
section125 : 6/10/2024 1:33 pm : link
FA signings after cut downs or post 1st game signings where contracts are not guaranteed.

They haven't had the luxury of having $10 to $12 mill for seasonal needs for as long as I can remember.
think you hold it and use in case of injuries  
Eric on Li : 6/10/2024 1:34 pm : link
there are some decent FAs left who i'd have no issue giving smaller chunks to (1 year, 1.5-2m type deals) but i dont think there's anyone left worth a bigger chunk except maybe Simmons/Gilmore (who i suspect are holding out for contenders).

i think you want to have a $2-3m chunk to replace whichever starter inevitably gets injured in preseason whether it's via someone still on FA market or another team's salary dump.
I wouldn't  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2024 1:34 pm : link
spend like it was burning a hole in my pocket that's for sure.

I'd probably save it and roll it over to 2025 when those cap dollars could probably be spent more meaningfully toward contending. Just because you have cap space doesn't mean you are obligated to spend it once you are at the floor.
RE: Giantsfan79  
Giantsfan79 : 6/10/2024 1:34 pm : link
In comment 16533955 Eric from BBI said:
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All teams need to have a reserve like this to sign players once injuries hit.

They will sign someone soon to replace the roster spot, but the rest is the emergency fund.


agreed but $11.6 is large for a reserve fund. But I guess that puts you in the hold camp.
RE: RE: Giantsfan79  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/10/2024 1:38 pm : link
In comment 16533961 Giantsfan79 said:
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In comment 16533955 Eric from BBI said:


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All teams need to have a reserve like this to sign players once injuries hit.

They will sign someone soon to replace the roster spot, but the rest is the emergency fund.



agreed but $11.6 is large for a reserve fund. But I guess that puts you in the hold camp.


With the way this team gets hurt? Not as large as you think.
RE: RE: Giantsfan79  
Eric on Li : 6/10/2024 1:40 pm : link
In comment 16533961 Giantsfan79 said:
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In comment 16533955 Eric from BBI said:


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All teams need to have a reserve like this to sign players once injuries hit.

They will sign someone soon to replace the roster spot, but the rest is the emergency fund.



agreed but $11.6 is large for a reserve fund. But I guess that puts you in the hold camp.


it's not that large. the offseason salary cap is top 51 players. regular season is 53 plus the practice squad players - so they lose ~$4m of the 11.6m just for a full roster.

then add an extra $200k or so on average for every new player they sign in season to practice squad that replaces whatever player gets elevated to replace whatever player ends up on IR/out for season. if that ends up being 15 players then that's another $3m.

they have room to add if they want, just not sure there's anyone where value/need line up because right now the roster needs are tough to predict with so many young players in the 2 deep.
I wouldn't be in any rush to spend  
UberAlias : 6/10/2024 1:40 pm : link
There are obviously areas we could use some veteran help, most notably defensive secondary or possibly Oline. But really, we have a lot of young guys and I'd rather see them get every chance. If the situation starts shaping up particularly bleak, sure, I guess I'd rather bring in a veteran than have a disaster situation somewhere. But my mindset is that this team is rebuilding, so I'm okay with question marks if it means opportunities for young players.

Plus, we're still high up on waiver wire. If we opened up the wallet a little, it would be there. Schoen has done well working the waiver wire in the past, and I'd be looking to that as way to continue to bring in talent/build competition.
RE: RE: Giantsfan79  
Pepe LePugh : 6/10/2024 1:45 pm : link
In comment 16533961 Giantsfan79 said:
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In comment 16533955 Eric from BBI said:


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All teams need to have a reserve like this to sign players once injuries hit.

They will sign someone soon to replace the roster spot, but the rest is the emergency fund.



agreed but $11.6 is large for a reserve fund. But I guess that puts you in the hold camp.

Whatever the reserve, it will change when top 51 limit goes away. PS salaries come out of that reserve ($3-4M). Salaries for players on IR count against the cap, so their replacements’ salaries also draw down the reserve.
So no, $11.6 is not excessive. Anything less than $10M, and you likely will be forced to do some restructuring in-season.
one thing to remember  
Giantsfan79 : 6/10/2024 1:51 pm : link
the Giants were already budgeting for their reserves before Waller's retirement. I haven't read anything that they needed to cut cap money before the season.

So the money gained by Waller's retirement is more a windfall than a necessary part of the operating budget.
New chairs  
10thAve : 6/10/2024 1:52 pm : link
or a new copier?
What's wrong  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2024 1:53 pm : link
with just having more cap space next season?

Teams can and do roll over cap space. it doesn't have to be a constraint every off-season, unless you're on of those fans who thinks cap room is fake because you can usually leverage the future to create more space now. at some point you will need to pay the piper.
RE: one thing to remember  
Eric on Li : 6/10/2024 1:55 pm : link
In comment 16533983 Giantsfan79 said:
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the Giants were already budgeting for their reserves before Waller's retirement. I haven't read anything that they needed to cut cap money before the season.

So the money gained by Waller's retirement is more a windfall than a necessary part of the operating budget.


they expected the retirement since FA when they added 2 veteran TEs. if he didnt retire they may have been planning to cut him once he was in guaranteed health to avoid injury settlement.

they probably had a contingency in the fringe case he decided to play, which was likely restructuring some combo of dex/thomas. they knew about all his health issues, they almost certainly had discussions with him, and it was probably pretty clear to them it was unlikely he came back all in on the season.
Extend Pinnock since he's about to be a UFA  
FranknWeezer : 6/10/2024 3:10 pm : link
and he's a relatively inexpensive and dependable starter/borderline starter at safety. Lock that position up and get it out of the way.

Sign a (not Adoree Jackson) vet UFA CB to a short deal, like we did recently with Fabian Moreau.

Many are forked, but a few on the linked list are worth looking into:

JC Jackson
Stephon Gilmore
Daryl Worley
Akhello Witherspoon
K'Waun Williams
Remaining UFA's sortable by availability and position - ( New Window )
I'd be their 3rd long snapper and waterboy,  
gridirony : 6/10/2024 3:15 pm : link
for a guaranteed $11.6 million.

You asked how I would spend it, not how I would spend it wisely to build the team. ;)

Upsize  
Simms : 6/10/2024 3:19 pm : link
Large Pepsi here we come.
Sit on it for now  
logman : 6/10/2024 3:28 pm : link
There's no pressing need at the moment, but CB, DT, ED, RB, and TE seem to make a lot of sense
RE: Giantsfan79  
Red Right Hand : 6/10/2024 4:35 pm : link
In comment 16533955 Eric from BBI said:
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All teams need to have a reserve like this to sign players once injuries hit.

They will sign someone soon to replace the roster spot, but the rest is the emergency fund.
If memory serves it's seems about 3-4 million more than we usually have at this time of year
Hang onto it for now  
Rick in Dallas : 6/10/2024 4:37 pm : link
We will need it during the season with injuries occurring
Rick + 1  
Marty in Albany : 6/10/2024 5:58 pm : link
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I agree with those that say stand pat for now  
JFIB : 6/10/2024 6:16 pm : link
But if any position were to be fortified, I would be looking at a run stopping DT to put next to Dex on running downs. Our run defense was not good last year and I haven't really seen any steps taken yet to improve that.
RE: Giantsfan79  
DavidinBMNY : 6/10/2024 7:02 pm : link
In comment 16533955 Eric from BBI said:
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All teams need to have a reserve like this to sign players once injuries hit.

They will sign someone soon to replace the roster spot, but the rest is the emergency fund.
. Right now it's a buyers market. Most teams are ready to shut down and get to camp. Given this, I'd hold and see how things develop.
but remember  
Giantsfan79 : 6/10/2024 7:07 pm : link
the best players left are going to get signed first. The longer one waits, the worst players one is picking from.
 
christian : 6/10/2024 7:21 pm : link
If there was a target out there the Giants wanted, they wouldn't have waited for Waller to retire. They had all the means to sign someone.
If the price tag isn't too bad, I'd go for Stephon Gilmore for a year.  
Ira : 6/10/2024 7:24 pm : link
Our secondary is very young. Having an outstanding vet like Gilmore would help them develop.
RE: Upsize  
Jimmy Meatballs : 6/11/2024 8:15 am : link
In comment 16534053 Simms said:
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Large Pepsi here we come.


Winner
I think Jakob Johnson is still available;  
Angel Eyes : 6/11/2024 3:46 pm : link
he wouldn't cost much as a fullback and Bricillo has emphasized the importance of a fullback in the run game... which he doesn't have.
I'd gift it to season ticket holders of 12 years or more...  
x meadowlander : 6/12/2024 2:19 pm : link
...throw em a free season for putting up with garbage product for most of a dozen years.
RE: I think Jakob Johnson is still available;  
Blue Dog : 6/12/2024 3:34 pm : link
In comment 16534751 Angel Eyes said:
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he wouldn't cost much as a fullback and Bricillo has emphasized the importance of a fullback in the run game... which he doesn't have.


They signed two blocking TEs to compete, they're set.
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