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Anyone hear Wink Martindale on the GM Shuffle podcast?

JoeyBigBlue : 6/10/2024 3:30 pm
He didn’t talk about his tenure with the Giants, so you know it’s a sore subject for him. He did bring up his time with Mike Lombardi at the the Raiders and his time as a grad assistant at Notre Dame with Lou Holtz. He also spoke about game planning against Mahomes and it was cool hearing a DC talk about that assignment.

One thing I did find interesting was that he stated Isaiah Simmons was his highest graded defensive player EVER coming out of college. So this explains why the Giants wanted him last year. Good conversation and worth a listen.
Link?  
johnnyb : 6/10/2024 3:33 pm : link
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Interesting about Isaiah Simmons  
gersh : 6/10/2024 3:35 pm : link
No doubt he's a superior athlete
With the addition of Burns, and with Thibs, Dex, Ojurlari and Okereke - the pass rush can be special. Outside of WR (Nabers) - that's the most exciting aspect of the team to me going into this season.
The Giants don’t need Simmons but if they can ever find a productive  
Ivan15 : 6/10/2024 3:35 pm : link
Role for him, he could be a difference maker.
RE: Link?  
JoeyBigBlue : 6/10/2024 3:36 pm : link
In comment 16534069 johnnyb said:
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Here you go


Wink Martindale on GM Shuffle Podcast - ( New Window )
RE: Interesting about Isaiah Simmons  
I Love Clams Casino : 6/10/2024 3:46 pm : link
In comment 16534073 gersh said:
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No doubt he's a superior athlete
With the addition of Burns, and with Thibs, Dex, Ojurlari and Okereke - the pass rush can be special. Outside of WR (Nabers) - that's the most exciting aspect of the team to me going into this season.


Hyatt, year 2? Put on some bulk...faster than Tyreek Hill...any excitement there?
In a quick Google search  
gersh : 6/10/2024 3:47 pm : link
Last Season - the Giants front 7 was ranked 9th
With Burns should easily be top 5?

2023 NFL Front Seven Rankings:
RANK TEAM SCORE
1 Dolphins 98
2 49ers 96
3 Eagles 89
4 Cowboys 77
5 Commanders 77
6 Bengals 74
7 Bills 74
8 Packers 72
9 Giants 71
Top Front 7s - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Interesting about Isaiah Simmons  
gersh : 6/10/2024 3:52 pm : link
In comment 16534089 I Love Clams Casino said:
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No doubt he's a superior athlete
With the addition of Burns, and with Thibs, Dex, Ojurlari and Okereke - the pass rush can be special. Outside of WR (Nabers) - that's the most exciting aspect of the team to me going into this season.



Hyatt, year 2? Put on some bulk...faster than Tyreek Hill...any excitement there?


I was thinking that after I posted that one.
Short answer, yes
Longer answer, after years of being disappointed by players, I try to manage my expectations.

Carl Banks gushes about Isaiah Simmons ....  
Manny in CA : 6/10/2024 4:05 pm : link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szk0rXarARs

With great coaching he has the tools to become unstoppable. As Carl notes, he has the two things you can't teach - natural instincts & speed.

Look at this tape, at the 3:00 mark, last linebacker I've seen catch a running back (from that far away) from behind (as he accelerates into an open hole) was LT; Banks knows what he's talking about.
RE: RE: Link?  
johnnyb : 6/10/2024 4:10 pm : link
In comment 16534075 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Thank you. I will give it a listen.


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Here you go
Wink Martindale on GM Shuffle Podcast - ( New Window )
I'm really enjoying this thread,  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 6/10/2024 4:38 pm : link
It's all good.

Think I'll go outside and enjoy some sunshine.
RE: The Giants don’t need Simmons but if they can ever find a productive  
BillT : 6/10/2024 5:23 pm : link
In comment 16534074 Ivan15 said:
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Role for him, he could be a difference maker.

You mean if anyone could find a productive role for him. But, that seems a very tall task.
RE: Carl Banks gushes about Isaiah Simmons ....  
Eric on Li : 6/10/2024 5:52 pm : link
In comment 16534095 Manny in CA said:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szk0rXarARs

With great coaching he has the tools to become unstoppable. As Carl notes, he has the two things you can't teach - natural instincts & speed.

Look at this tape, at the 3:00 mark, last linebacker I've seen catch a running back (from that far away) from behind (as he accelerates into an open hole) was LT; Banks knows what he's talking about.


thank u for posting that. hadnt seen it but it was really good.
RE: RE: The Giants don’t need Simmons but if they can ever find a productive  
HBart : 6/10/2024 6:20 pm : link
In comment 16534152 BillT said:
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Role for him, he could be a difference maker.


You mean if anyone could find a productive role for him. But, that seems a very tall task.

Really? He wasn't productive last season?
WAS Isaiah Simmons "productive" last season?  
GiantSteps : 6/10/2024 6:43 pm : link
I don't remember much from him
RE: WAS Isaiah Simmons  
HBart : 6/10/2024 7:03 pm : link
In comment 16534188 GiantSteps said:
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I don't remember much from him

He was 8th/9th on the team in solo/total tackles in limited snaps. So yeah he was. And at his price that's fine. But given his freak athletics we expect more. Maybe we'll get it.
Simmons is listed as an ILB  
George : 6/10/2024 7:42 pm : link
I sure wish he were an OLB and rush from the edge.
RE: Simmons is listed as an ILB  
gersh : 6/10/2024 9:01 pm : link
In comment 16534227 George said:
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I sure wish he were an OLB and rush from the edge.


I know that seems like his best position, but IIRC there’s a video that breaks down how Simmons has been most successful. And further testing my memory I thought blitzing from inside was effective for him.

Regardless, he’s another useful chess piece.

In Burns and Thibs we have a pair of legit ERs
Ojulari, when healthy, make is 3 good ERs (and hopefully he can spell Burns and Thibs)
McFadden seems to be a fine complement to Okereke
With Dex wreaking havoc in the middle - there’s a lot to be optimistic about.

I wouldn’t say any other player is a legit plus player but many can get to the QB. Simmons, Pinnock on blitzes
And newly signed DT Philips is best as a pass rusher

Riley Jordan seems to have some pass rush ability….?
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gersh : 6/10/2024 9:12 pm : link
Looked it up
First of all, it’s Jordan Riley
Secondly, he had a total of 0 sacks last year.
So….I guess I saw flashes of quickness for a big man that made me optimistic.
RE: RE: WAS Isaiah Simmons  
short lease : 6/11/2024 1:21 am : link
In comment 16534205 HBart said:
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I don't remember much from him


He was 8th/9th on the team in solo/total tackles in limited snaps. So yeah he was. And at his price that's fine. But given his freak athletics we expect more. Maybe we'll get it.



That's the thing - maybe we expect to much?

Arizona made him the 8th pick in the 2020 draft ... and he is now with the Giants. Something isn't right - he certainly is not "Unstoppable". If he was he would still be in the desert.
One knock on Simmons is his ability to take on blocks.  
Ira : 6/11/2024 4:13 am : link
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to this point simmons is what he is - a solid role player with flashes  
Eric on Li : 6/11/2024 9:15 am : link
of being able to do things most guys cant do, which naturally leads to wanting more from him.

in his career he has created a lot of turnovers and splash plays but hasn't found a home in any defense. who knows maybe that happens with bowen, he got a lot more out of al shaair than i expected and i liked al shaair a lot in SF.

as a 3rd coverage/blitz lb i think simmons can be a real an impact piece. last year's defense just so rarely got teams in 3rd and long.
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Reale01 : 6/11/2024 11:22 am : link
In comment 16534279 gersh said:
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Looked it up
First of all, it’s Jordan Riley
Secondly, he had a total of 0 sacks last year.
So….I guess I saw flashes of quickness for a big man that made me optimistic.


He might have meant Ryder Anderson. Jordan Riley has some food moments but pass rushing is not his strength.
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gersh : 6/11/2024 11:50 am : link
In comment 16534525 Reale01 said:
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Looked it up
First of all, it’s Jordan Riley
Secondly, he had a total of 0 sacks last year.
So….I guess I saw flashes of quickness for a big man that made me optimistic.



He might have meant Ryder Anderson. Jordan Riley has some food moments but pass rushing is not his strength.


I've seen even less of Ryder Anderson, but yes, he's built more like an interior pass rushing DT.
There has been a lot of talk here of the that type of player the Giants passed on in the draft. Hopefully, we have the right guys to generate a consistent pass rush.
I like him at ILB  
mittenedman : 6/11/2024 1:29 pm : link
Nickel LB in a passing league is a very good role for him. Look at him working inside out in coverage. With his length, instincts and speed he's a menace to QBs. Those plays from Carl are alien-like.
RE: Carl Banks gushes about Isaiah Simmons ....  
Milton : 6/11/2024 2:35 pm : link
In comment 16534095 Manny in CA said:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szk0rXarARs

With great coaching he has the tools to become unstoppable. As Carl notes, he has the two things you can't teach - natural instincts & speed.
This doesn't add up. If he had natural instincts to go along with his speed, he'd be a pro bowl player and it wouldn't require "great coaching" to get him there. Instead he was had for a future 7th round pick from the team that spent a top ten pick on him and tried like hell to make an every down player out of him, but couldn't. At this point he is what he is and you can't blame it on coaching because several coaches have tried. Banks is right that "you can't teach natural instincts" but if Simmons had those natural instincts he would've been a Pro Bowl player because there's no doubting his freakish athleticism.
RE: RE: Carl Banks gushes about Isaiah Simmons ....  
gersh : 6/11/2024 3:02 pm : link
In comment 16534691 Milton said:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szk0rXarARs

With great coaching he has the tools to become unstoppable. As Carl notes, he has the two things you can't teach - natural instincts & speed.

This doesn't add up. If he had natural instincts to go along with his speed, he'd be a pro bowl player and it wouldn't require "great coaching" to get him there. Instead he was had for a future 7th round pick from the team that spent a top ten pick on him and tried like hell to make an every down player out of him, but couldn't. At this point he is what he is and you can't blame it on coaching because several coaches have tried. Banks is right that "you can't teach natural instincts" but if Simmons had those natural instincts he would've been a Pro Bowl player because there's no doubting his freakish athleticism.


From the film you can see the rare athletic ability (burst, speed and length)
The "instincts" really just = a highlight where he did the right thing.
My guess is that he continues to rely on his natural ability and doesn't study like he should.
RE: RE: RE: Carl Banks gushes about Isaiah Simmons ....  
Semipro Lineman : 6/11/2024 3:21 pm : link
In comment 16534715 gersh said:
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From the film you can see the rare athletic ability (burst, speed and length)
The "instincts" really just = a highlight where he did the right thing.
My guess is that he continues to rely on his natural ability and doesn't study like he should.


The front office and coaching staff have made it a point to bring in "smart" players so I doubt that they would have re-signed him if he wasn't putting in the work. I believe it's a case of him being a tweener jack-of-all trades type who never developed the instincts to become a dominate player at any role. So the Giants have responded by giving him a limited role as the passing down hybrid linebacker/safety. This might work out a bit better for him because Simmons isn't a good man to man defender in pass coverage so a more zone based scheme couldn't hurt.


My initilal reaction to your comments. Lineman is to disagree ....  
Manny in CA : 6/13/2024 2:09 am : link
But on second thought, You're right ...

Simmons is not a "sticky" type pass defender, but one who can focus on the QB and "jump" passes that come in his direction, in many ways, the Bowen defense is better suited than the Martindale defense was to him.
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