It’s mind boggling the short fuses and low level of loyalty Giant fans have now.
Then again, maybe it’s nothing new.
Many people wanted Phil Simms gone after 1981 because he was injury prone. Many people wanted Eli gone after the 4 interception Darren Sharper game.
So, when it comes to “the base” evaluating Giant QBs?
Maybe Giant fans aren’t as football intelligent as they think they are.
I was banging my steering wheel today listening to a NY sports talk radio
guy complaining and ranting about how he can’t believe in the team while DJ is QB. He said “While he had some success 2 years ago, last year was a disaster.”
Yes, it was a disaster:
1) The offensive line was beyond abysmal early on. No running lanes meant no running game and no pass protection meant
no passing game .
2) His “go to guy” Waller was washed up - hence his retirement this year.
3) He was relentlessly pummeled and was crushed from his blindside and basically suffererd whiplash.
4) He tore his ACL AND STILL TRIED TO KEEP PLAYING.
How the hell can you ignore 2022 and not give Daniel the benefit of the doubt?
Look at how hard he’s worked and how he’s apparently ready for the start of training camp.
Check out this video.
1) He looks rock solid
2) He seems relaxed, focused and unaffected
3) He looks like a confident leader
You guys who want him out the door?
HAVE AT IT.
Me, personally?
I think this 27-year old NY Giants QB has the talent, drive, work ethic and mental toughness to have a super amazing season IF the offensive line just gives him just DECENT play upfront.
DJ is a star player who has had incredibly bad luck.
Don’t wish him away - GET BEHIND HIM. I can’t believe that I have to attempt to convince Giant fans to believe in their QB.
Because all of you who want him gone for someone else?
You’ll be the same people pushing the next QB out the door as well.
We’ve upgraded the offensive line.
We can only pray that Evan Neal becomes the player we thought he was.
Devin Singletary is a solid - still young - running back.
Malik has star potential and may make Hyatt a better player.
Burns is a great addition to the defense.
I could go on and on about the upside of this team.
But for once?
Can we all rally behind the guy quarterbacking our team and give him a shot?
If he plays badly? (which he won’t )
Then fine, we move on.
Let’s just start the season collectively as Giants fans and pull for our QB to have a breakout season.
It’s not like he’s Ryan f****** Leaf.
Leader of the team - (
New Window )
& this is why other fans of other teams laugh at us.
Does he have some good attributes? yes.
Is he trigger shy, hold the ball too long, and have a slow processor? i believe so.
Has he worked on his fumbling issues? yes.
Should he be an unchallenged starter? No absolutely not.
Was it smart to draft nabers over qb available to them? yes, probably based on what nabers brings to the offense.
should they look at drafting a qb even if daniel lights it up this year? Yes. though lighting it up will likely be his 2019 numbers with less fumbles i don’t see him tossing 30 tds anytime soon.
Ralph, this town chased patrick ewing out of town and what on phil simms. You won’t change nyer attitude on qb of giants.
DJ has never been a "star" player at any level of football and I would argue that getting picked 6 overall by one of the oldest, most stable NFL franchises and paid over $140M is more than enough "luck" for someone who has shown so little to deserve it.
I am a NY Giants fan, not a Daniel Jones fan. If he plays well and the team wins, I will cheer for him. If he plays like crap and the team loses, then I will boo him. You can go on accepting mediocrity, but why should every fan?
& again, other fanbases literally laugh @ us that we're trotting out Jones for a SIXTH straight season. I have experienced this personally.
But now, economics are a huge part of the discussion. That's THE thing.
I think.....the people who think he is garbage....and you know who you are....are not very knowledgeable.....almost ridiculous, when they claim every QB in draft is Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, now
At 40 million, the Giants can find a replacement in the draft for much cheaper.
Jones must step up this year and win....or he will be gone.
& this is why other fans of other teams laugh at us.
Would it be fair for me to call you unintelligent after your myriad predictions things will go well have been largely wrong for the better part of the last decade?
Listen, it isn’t personal. He’s just not that good. It is what it is. But yet some on this site refuse to accept it and make absurd claims like Ralph C.
Why not give him 6 years like you’re giving jones?
We can and should do better
But I will root like crazy for him to succeed this year.
I think.....the people who think he is garbage....and you know who you are....are not very knowledgeable.....almost ridiculous, when they claim every QB in draft is Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, now
At 40 million, the Giants can find a replacement in the draft for much cheaper.
Jones must step up this year and win....or he will be gone.
No one claims that every QB is Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers. What they claim is that unless you have Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers (or a QB of that caliber), it's insane to stop even taking swings at the QB position.
The last QB the Giants drafted, in ANY round, was Daniel Jones. That was six years ago, and pretty much every NFL team has drafted a QB since then, many of whom have drafted multiple QBs since then.
If Daniel Jones played any other position, fans would unanimously be pleading for the team to at least draft someone to challenge him as the incumbent. Many pro-DJ fans were clamoring for Joe Alt this past draft, ready to either give up on Neal or at least push him with another premium prospect. That was after two years, but those same fans have no problem with DJ getting six years with no challenger drafted by the team.
And then we get gaslit from the OP with "DJ is a star with bad luck." F*ck that. Stop pissing on our legs and telling us it's raining.
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& this is why other fans of other teams laugh at us.
Nope. Other fan bases laugh at our fan base because it it a disloyal, piece of $hit, old fat guy fanbase that want to win the Superbowl every year or they are miserable.
I think.....the people who think he is garbage....and you know who you are....are not very knowledgeable.....almost ridiculous, when they claim every QB in draft is Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, now
At 40 million, the Giants can find a replacement in the draft for much cheaper.
Jones must step up this year and win....or he will be gone.
No one ever said he was a top 5 QB. You realize there are only 5 of those, right? LOL
Hopefully those issues are improved and DJ can maximize the talent he is working with. They also need much better coaching this season.
If it doesn't work out this season, I expect big changes and not just at QB.
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& this is why other fans of other teams laugh at us.
Nope. Other fan bases laugh at our fan base because it it a disloyal, piece of $hit, old fat guy fanbase that want to win the Superbowl every year or they are miserable.
I'm pretty sure that's not it.
we drafted him because of pedigree and potential.
SIX YEARS later he hasn’t lived up to it. not even close!
if you still believe at this point, you are not an intelligent football fan. you are hoping to be right.
The cap went way up. DJ’s contract isn’t holding the team back from doing anything.
we drafted him because of pedigree and potential.
SIX YEARS later he hasn’t lived up to it. not even close!
if you still believe at this point, you are not an intelligent football fan. you are hoping to be right.
I'm pretty sure Ralph started a post around Halloween insisting the Giants would still make the playoffs. I'm not kidding.
& again, other fanbases literally laugh @ us that we're trotting out Jones for a SIXTH straight season. I have experienced this personally.
It’s one of or a combination of a few things. Liking the player/person, wanting to be loyal to players of their team and supporting him, not wanting to admit defeat, and/or trolling. I don’t think theirs a Daniel Jones cult, it’s just people firing off on a message board for whatever reason.
I laugh at other teams for various reasons, even good teams. I don’t think that means anything. It’s not middle school.
Give Patrick Mahomes 6 Yearz of what Daniel experienced last year and see what you get. No QB is performing well in those types of circumstances. I would think that’s understood by everyone, but here we are, and there are still people here trying to use last year against him.
Be careful what you wish for!
Now, I do think that he gets a lot of unwarranted hate. These media-created lists that have him as the worst starting QB in the league are just outright wrong. His price tag also opens him up to criticism.
On his best day, he is a mediocre processor that is hesitant to take deep shots but can impact a game with his legs. The injury history (especially the neck) is the most worrisome.
Jones can win some games. I think the goal is a QB that can lift the team around him and Jones just isn't there.
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Jones is officially the -former- quarterback of the New York Giants will be one of celebration
Be careful what you wish for!
Nah, I'm quite confident wishing for another quarterback will work out. Unlike those who wished to give Jones that contract
With Daniel the answer is no.
Because of that you keep looking until you find a QB where the answer is yes.
If that is Daniel Jones or someone else, it doesn't matter. What we've had is not good enough, that is undeniable.
Listen, it isn’t personal. He’s just not that good. It is what it is. But yet some on this site refuse to accept it and make absurd claims like Ralph C.
That said, I couldn't care less what random people that I don't know think of the Giants.
Zero fucks.
Don't let them influence you. (they are doing just that if your care what they think)
Control what you can, don't stress what you cannot.
At this point, DJ is QB1 for the Giants.
What I "think" will happen doesn't matter. What matters is what I hope will happen at 1PM on Sunday's in the fall. That is because that's all we get.
Life is about mindset. Football is life.
So, with that in mind, I am rooting for him to be QB1 in the NFCE.
If the Eagles were in the exact same situation with the record over the last decade, the constant HC and staff turnover and paying a Daniel Jones equivalent 40 million dollars, every single Giants fan would be laughing
in his best season he threw 15 touchdown passes.
in the 2024 version of the NFL, he’s a bottom 5 - 10 QB that we are paying like a top 10 QB.
Starts 15 games
Passing yards - 3100
Passing TDs - 26
Completion percentage - 66%
Rushing yards - 350
Rushing TDs - 3
Team Record - 7-8
If Jones did that, it would be his most productive year and many on this board would have their chests puffed out declaring they were right and Jones is awesome. If Jones does that, everyone would expect him back and there would be some on here speculating on his extension. If Jones did that, there would be many on here calling him a top 10 QB.
That was the stat line that got Russel Wilson cut, with the Broncos taking a historic 85 million in dead cap. This year, which would make many Jones truthers ecstatic, was so bad to the Broncos that they would rather fuck their cap for 2 years than continue on with that player
People here need to raise their standards
I disagree it's unlikely he'll be a star (nor do I think it likely), depending how you define star. I'm yet to see a QB labeled a star or even good without playmaking help. He's in the muddled middle - touching upper tier of the middle in 22; disaster for 4 games 23. Time for the rubber match, seemingly with some weapons and protection this time.
Assuming he plays 15+ games, I predict top 10 passing numbers this season that put the current Jones media narrative to rest. BBI? Jones could win 3 SBs and 9 MVPs and there are a dozen or two BBIers who'd still say he's not a starter quality QB.
So now we see.
It's hard to find a modern day QB that has as many starts as he does with as little counting stats as he does.
I can not think of a modern day QB that has had as long a leash as the Giants have given DJ.
It doesn't make a whole lot sense.
It's hard to find a modern day QB that has as many starts as he does with as little counting stats as he does.
I can not think of a modern day QB that has had as long a leash as the Giants have given DJ.
It doesn't make a whole lot sense.
This may end up as the stupidest BBI post of all time (which says alot)
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Who cares. Stay off of twitter.
If the Eagles were in the exact same situation with the record over the last decade, the constant HC and staff turnover and paying a Daniel Jones equivalent 40 million dollars, every single Giants fan would be laughing
And then what happens? lol, do you get angry and stomp your feet at being laughed at for a sports team you root for? We laugh at my friend who’s a Jets fan, they laugh back at me for being a Giants fan, and we laugh at my friends who are Patriot fans the last few seasons. And then we laugh and nothing bad happens.
Laughed at? lol.