It’s mind boggling the short fuses and low level of loyalty Giant fans have now.
Then again, maybe it’s nothing new.
Many people wanted Phil Simms gone after 1981 because he was injury prone. Many people wanted Eli gone after the 4 interception Darren Sharper game.
So, when it comes to “the base” evaluating Giant QBs?
Maybe Giant fans aren’t as football intelligent as they think they are.
I was banging my steering wheel today listening to a NY sports talk radio
guy complaining and ranting about how he can’t believe in the team while DJ is QB. He said “While he had some success 2 years ago, last year was a disaster.”
Yes, it was a disaster:
1) The offensive line was beyond abysmal early on. No running lanes meant no running game and no pass protection meant
no passing game .
2) His “go to guy” Waller was washed up - hence his retirement this year.
3) He was relentlessly pummeled and was crushed from his blindside and basically suffererd whiplash.
4) He tore his ACL AND STILL TRIED TO KEEP PLAYING.
How the hell can you ignore 2022 and not give Daniel the benefit of the doubt?
Look at how hard he’s worked and how he’s apparently ready for the start of training camp.
Check out this video.
1) He looks rock solid
2) He seems relaxed, focused and unaffected
3) He looks like a confident leader
You guys who want him out the door?
HAVE AT IT.
Me, personally?
I think this 27-year old NY Giants QB has the talent, drive, work ethic and mental toughness to have a super amazing season IF the offensive line just gives him just DECENT play upfront.
DJ is a star player who has had incredibly bad luck.
Don’t wish him away - GET BEHIND HIM. I can’t believe that I have to attempt to convince Giant fans to believe in their QB.
Because all of you who want him gone for someone else?
You’ll be the same people pushing the next QB out the door as well.
We’ve upgraded the offensive line.
We can only pray that Evan Neal becomes the player we thought he was.
Devin Singletary is a solid - still young - running back.
Malik has star potential and may make Hyatt a better player.
Burns is a great addition to the defense.
I could go on and on about the upside of this team.
But for once?
Can we all rally behind the guy quarterbacking our team and give him a shot?
If he plays badly? (which he won’t )
Then fine, we move on.
Let’s just start the season collectively as Giants fans and pull for our QB to have a breakout season.
It’s not like he’s Ryan f****** Leaf.
Leader of the team - (
New Window )
Blind loyalty is not an indicator of advanced intelligence.
Listen, it isn’t personal. He’s just not that good. It is what it is. But yet some on this site refuse to accept it and make absurd claims like Ralph C.
You have a non Giants fan, right here on this forum, so he can communicate with me, if he'd like. He'll get cold hard facts, not emotional biases.
Jones has been simply pathetic, for five long years, which is not something to laugh about. Five wins in five years against .500+ teams. Prime Dime is what, something like 1 for 12 in marquee games?
The single most important game of the year is the last game of a team's season, not counting non-playoff teams. 2022 season, Giants @ Philly, 28-0 at half time, 38-7 final. Jones passing - 15/27, 135 yards, 5.0 yards per attempt, 0 TDs, 1 INT, rushing - 6 for 24, 4.0 yards per carry, 0 TDs.
Losing 28-0 at half time sums up Jones career, as it was the most important game of his career.
As a non Giants fan, I neither support Jones, nor do want him gone. He finally needs to prove whether he's got what it takes or not, with no more excuses.
Let’s just start the season collectively as Giants fans and pull for our QB to have a breakout season.
Is this too much to ask? I'm with you Ralph!
People here need to raise their standards
I'd bet that all of the "people here" want a SB victory. Seems pretty lofty to me.
I have high expectations. I also have the common sense to recognize that my "standards" only matter to me.
That damning something that I cannot control only serves to make me look a fool and adds frustration, anger and negativity to my life.
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Who cares. Stay off of twitter.
If the Eagles were in the exact same situation with the record over the last decade, the constant HC and staff turnover and paying a Daniel Jones equivalent 40 million dollars, every single Giants fan would be laughing
I'm not saying they don't laugh. I'm saying have thicker skin.
Blind loyalty is not an indicator of advanced intelligence.
+1.
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Who cares. Stay off of twitter.
If the Eagles were in the exact same situation with the record over the last decade, the constant HC and staff turnover and paying a Daniel Jones equivalent 40 million dollars, every single Giants fan would be laughing
And then what happens? lol, do you get angry and stomp your feet at being laughed at for a sports team you root for? We laugh at my friend who’s a Jets fan, they laugh back at me for being a Giants fan, and we laugh at my friends who are Patriot fans the last few seasons. And then we laugh and nothing bad happens.
Laughed at? lol.
No, I don't get angry and stomp my feet since they're right that the Giants are a laughing stock. That's my point, any other team in our situation we'd be deriding, but because it's our team in this situation some try to excuse it away
Here's a quote on the Giants' QB situation from someone who was once objective, but is for good reason no longer able to speak freely on the subject...
Malik Nabers on the Giants QB situation in March - ( New Window )
As I said on the LSU WR thread, Nabers, Bricillo and an improved OL should make a HUGE difference.
I know a lot of people said "no more excuses" going into last year. Then AT gets hurt early in the first game and ended up missing the majority of time DJ played, the OL totally regressed from '22 (due to multiple injuries + possibly the loss of asst OL coach Sparano Jr.), Wan'Dale missed the first couple games coming back from an ACL, Waller was a shell of his former self, Hyatt was a 3rd rd rookie, etc. (not to mention the defense totally sucked the first 5 games of the season). All crap out of DJ's control.
All QBs play better behind a better OL and there are many examples of QBs playing better when a stud WR is added to their roster.
This is the yr DJ shows either the "excuses" were legit or it's time to move on next yr. I was ready for a change on draft night (the neck concerns me), but now I'm rooting like heck for him and the team! Let's go!
It's hard to find a modern day QB that has as many starts as he does with as little counting stats as he does.
I can not think of a modern day QB that has had as long a leash as the Giants have given DJ.
It doesn't make a whole lot sense.
Danny Kanell, Dave Brown... are you kidding me?
It's hard to find a modern day QB that has as many starts as he does with as little counting stats as he does.
I can not think of a modern day QB that has had as long a leash as the Giants have given DJ.
It doesn't make a whole lot sense.
The last QB as bad and unaccomplished as Jones to get 6 straight years as a starter for the same team is Jake Plummer. In the past 20+ years, Daniel stands alone
& this is why other fans of other teams laugh at us.
come on everyone. You know QB’s always make that leap in year 6!
Jones will be here for one more year barring a miracle. I feel like in the majority of the OTA “highlights” it was DeVito throwing the ball.
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of all time.... like, legitimately...given a minimum number of starts at QB (like qualifying for the MLB BA AVG title).
It's hard to find a modern day QB that has as many starts as he does with as little counting stats as he does.
I can not think of a modern day QB that has had as long a leash as the Giants have given DJ.
It doesn't make a whole lot sense.
Danny Kanell, Dave Brown... are you kidding me?
Those QB’s didn’t get 6 years to prove themselves.
Maybe Giant fans aren’t as football intelligent as they think they are.
Have you considered the possibility that the fans who share your opinion are the ones who are wrong in this case?
A team with Daniel Jones on it has never won 10-11 games in the NFL or college.
Here's a quote on the Giants' QB situation from someone who was once objective, but is for good reason no longer able to speak freely on the subject...
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“They’re gonna wanna get me the ball so I’m sure they’re gonna wanna get a QB that can do that”
Malik Nabers on the Giants QB situation in March - ( New Window )
You keep eating it, ownership will happily keep feeding it.
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To repost all of the DJ hate when he wins 10-11 games this year. FU haters!
A team with Daniel Jones on it has never won 10-11 games in the NFL or college.
Dave Brown started 47 games for the NYG.
Going into the season DJ will have already started 59 games.
My point is that the Giants moved on from all these guys because they weren't good - in that regard you are correct...I'm not sure how you don't put DJ in their class at this point.
I'd also argue that there's nothing modern day about either one of those guys - a lot has changed since those guys were playing in the league a quarter century ago.
You keep eating it, ownership will happily keep feeding it.
Trust me, if they win 7-8 games and Jones is semi-competent, he'll be the starter in 2025. After all, his cap hit for that season will "only" be $41 million (down from $47 million this year).
You aren't making the argument you think you are making. You are underscoring why it is hard for many to believe he has a future in this league as a starter because he can't stay on the field.
For all of Jones' physical abilities, availability is absolutely a negative.
I take it as me wanting my team to be good.
We're in the situation that we're in, he's going to start the season. Maybe he'll be great, maybe he'll be terrible.
Maybe he'll be just average, which would prob be the worst case scenario
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To repost all of the DJ hate when he wins 10-11 games this year. FU haters!
A team with Daniel Jones on it has never won 10-11 games in the NFL or college.
Bad memory bruh. Two years ago he won 10 games. 9 regular season and a playoff game....
You keep eating it, ownership will happily keep feeding it.
He's had 1 mediocre season out of 5.
Right now, he would qualify as "stinks".
I still don’t get the laughing thing, I laugh at the Bills and they have Josh Allen. It’s meaningless.
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and are anchored to a mediocre QB instead.
You keep eating it, ownership will happily keep feeding it.
Trust me, if they win 7-8 games and Jones is semi-competent, he'll be the starter in 2025. After all, his cap hit for that season will "only" be $41 million (down from $47 million this year).
And I think this is the root of the "DH hate" as some of our more extreme posters like to refer to it. People are not mad at Jones for being a mediocre QB. They are mad at the front office who keeps parading him out there on a magic carpet of excuses.
Jones is who he is and he is trying his best to win games. It isn't fault that the front office can't or won't make hard decisions about players they personally like.
It blows my mind how much that is glossed over in Giants circles. What exactly do we expect to happen the next big shot he takes above the shoulders?
The Jones era should have ended this offseason.
Tommy DeVito is the most interesting QB on this roster as far as potential at this point. Still a long shot but at least you can see some swagger and ability. Lock stinks as well.
BUT I refuse to just ignore the fact that, despite the Giants handing him the reigns completely for 6 years now, he has been largely bad for most of his career.
He's just not good...as much as I or any one in the front office wants him to be.
Jones criticism is about Daboll, Schoen, and Mara. They opted to pay this stiff and have not tried to improve on him. That's on them.
They had better win those 10-11 games this year. Anything less and they should all get destroyed.
It blows my mind how much that is glossed over in Giants circles. What exactly do we expect to happen the next big shot he takes above the shoulders?
The Jones era should have ended this offseason.
Tommy DeVito is the most interesting QB on this roster as far as potential at this point. Still a long shot but at least you can see some swagger and ability. Lock stinks as well.
Very much agree with this. I honestly think many (including myself) gloss over the injuries because his play isn’t great even when healthy. The injury history is just throwing more gasoline on an already raging fire.
Starts 15 games
Passing yards - 3100
Passing TDs - 26
Completion percentage - 66%
Rushing yards - 350
Rushing TDs - 3
Team Record - 7-8
If Jones did that, it would be his most productive year and many on this board would have their chests puffed out declaring they were right and Jones is awesome. If Jones does that, everyone would expect him back and there would be some on here speculating on his extension. If Jones did that, there would be many on here calling him a top 10 QB.
That was the stat line that got Russel Wilson cut, with the Broncos taking a historic 85 million in dead cap. This year, which would make many Jones truthers ecstatic, was so bad to the Broncos that they would rather fuck their cap for 2 years than continue on with that player
People here need to raise their standards
Mara would NEVER take a swing of that magnitude.
It would say 'We've made a big mistake".
The NY football Giants organization is too "Classy"...
Jones criticism is about Daboll, Schoen, and Mara. They opted to pay this stiff and have not tried to improve on him. That's on them.
They had better win those 10-11 games this year. Anything less and they should all get destroyed.
I thought a lot about this after the draft...and I'm with you now.
I had previously thought they did OK with the contract given the year that DJ had previously AND the fact that they gave themselves an out. I felt that they were backed into a corner given the situation they were in following the 2022 season.
With the NYG passing entirely on the QB position this offseason - they all hitched their wagon to DJ's falling star which, I think, should be their demise.
AND imagine if that happens - DJ will have done in Shurmur, Judge and Daboll. I mean any QB that comes into the league and costs his coach a career - it's gotta become known as a DJ...right????
It’s honestly kind of unfair that people have had lofty expectations for him. He didn’t draft himself at 6 overall. I blame team management for the whole situation. DG and Schoen are both accountable.
That's not the goal for any pro QB. The goal is much higher than that.
Why did Josh Allen play at Wyoming? A lot of times NFL QB's play at mediocre schools. The point is they don't have great talent level around them as a team.
But he might succeed with a strong WR crew and a hopefully serviceable line.
I was citing that around here at the end of 2019 when it was clear there was an issue with Jones.
No one wanted to hear it.
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To repost all of the DJ hate when he wins 10-11 games this year. FU haters!
That's not the goal for any pro QB. The goal is much higher than that.
You saw it in 2022. The bar has been lowered for Jones to the point where he is only compared to himself. If he throws 3 TDs in any single game this year - even if the Giants lose it to fall to 2-6 - there will be posts about how good Jones is and how the team is failing him again.
I think it is the same frame of reference the front office uses. Improvement from terrible to below average is celebrated as progress.