It’s mind boggling the short fuses and low level of loyalty Giant fans have now.
Then again, maybe it’s nothing new.
Many people wanted Phil Simms gone after 1981 because he was injury prone. Many people wanted Eli gone after the 4 interception Darren Sharper game.
So, when it comes to “the base” evaluating Giant QBs?
Maybe Giant fans aren’t as football intelligent as they think they are.
I was banging my steering wheel today listening to a NY sports talk radio
guy complaining and ranting about how he can’t believe in the team while DJ is QB. He said “While he had some success 2 years ago, last year was a disaster.”
Yes, it was a disaster:
1) The offensive line was beyond abysmal early on. No running lanes meant no running game and no pass protection meant
no passing game .
2) His “go to guy” Waller was washed up - hence his retirement this year.
3) He was relentlessly pummeled and was crushed from his blindside and basically suffererd whiplash.
4) He tore his ACL AND STILL TRIED TO KEEP PLAYING.
How the hell can you ignore 2022 and not give Daniel the benefit of the doubt?
Look at how hard he’s worked and how he’s apparently ready for the start of training camp.
Check out this video.
1) He looks rock solid
2) He seems relaxed, focused and unaffected
3) He looks like a confident leader
You guys who want him out the door?
HAVE AT IT.
Me, personally?
I think this 27-year old NY Giants QB has the talent, drive, work ethic and mental toughness to have a super amazing season IF the offensive line just gives him just DECENT play upfront.
DJ is a star player who has had incredibly bad luck.
Don’t wish him away - GET BEHIND HIM. I can’t believe that I have to attempt to convince Giant fans to believe in their QB.
Because all of you who want him gone for someone else?
You’ll be the same people pushing the next QB out the door as well.
We’ve upgraded the offensive line.
We can only pray that Evan Neal becomes the player we thought he was.
Devin Singletary is a solid - still young - running back.
Malik has star potential and may make Hyatt a better player.
Burns is a great addition to the defense.
I could go on and on about the upside of this team.
But for once?
Can we all rally behind the guy quarterbacking our team and give him a shot?
If he plays badly? (which he won’t )
Then fine, we move on.
Let’s just start the season collectively as Giants fans and pull for our QB to have a breakout season.
It’s not like he’s Ryan f****** Leaf.
Leader of the team - (
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For similar reasons, yes. He wasn't Barry Sanders and couldn't do it behind bad lines. He never really provided enough in the passing game as a receiver or pass protection.
I do expect him to have a couple good seasons on the Eagles where he gets to play behind a functioning OL and other weapons that will not allow defenses to stack the box and stop one guy.
Was he a weapon or not?
At a certain point, you have to stop blaming the spokes and check the hub.
His question, "was he a wasted pick" I answered.
As to him being a weapon, unfortunately, I think the answer is yes, on the Eagles.
But as much as you want to ignore the horrifically bad OL they have played behind, its a fact. You can't win and be successful with what the Giants have trotted out in the trenches. Coupled with a complete lack of talent at the WR and TE positions...equals the clown show we've witnesses for the last 10+ years.
It's just dep doing the same callout of Producer as though he's not also a dupe troll himself. I should do a better job of resisting the bait, but I just don't like dep.
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For similar reasons, yes. He wasn't Barry Sanders and couldn't do it behind bad lines. He never really provided enough in the passing game as a receiver or pass protection.
I do expect him to have a couple good seasons on the Eagles where he gets to play behind a functioning OL and other weapons that will not allow defenses to stack the box and stop one guy.
Was he a weapon or not?
At a certain point, you have to stop blaming the spokes and check the hub.
His question, "was he a wasted pick" I answered.
As to him being a weapon, unfortunately, I think the answer is yes, on the Eagles.
But as much as you want to ignore the horrifically bad OL they have played behind, its a fact. You can't win and be successful with what the Giants have trotted out in the trenches. Coupled with a complete lack of talent at the WR and TE positions...equals the clown show we've witnesses for the last 10+ years.
It wasn't "his" question. It was my question.
You're right, you can't win with a bad OL. You also can't win with a shitty, gunshy QB.
Which is why a lot of our fans have animosity towards better teams.
Which is why a lot of our fans have animosity towards better teams.
I'll never be inferior to anyone who can't differentiate between to and too.
Was this what you would consider an original thought:
Seems pretty rehashed to me.
We need that image of the "2022 Wild Card Win" banner.
Its insane. It would be like if Frank Ntilkina or Kevin Knox were still starting for the Knicks in their 6th seasons and hoping they improve "with better talent around them".
We have posters here ready to throw a parade for the guy if he wins 10 games in his 6th season.
Don’t sweat it Johnny. The Daniel Jones counseling services are meeting today. It’s good therapy for them. Just think of it as giving back to those in need.
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How do I let myself keep getting sucked into these dopey fucking threads. The rehashing of every point is so beyond tired. Bring the season on already. I have to say if Jones has a good year, it will be hilarious to see who slinks away. Again.
Was this what you would consider an original thought:
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I agree he is likely between 10-20. However the way people underplay the effects of the overall roster on the Giants suckitude over the past 12 years is baffling. It's NOT just on the QB folks. The rest of the roster actually does matter, believe it or not.
Seems pretty rehashed to me.
Umm Ok? I think I pointed that out when I said I let myself keep getting sucked into these same tired discussions. There is absolutely NOTHING original about these SAME TIRED FUCKING discussions. Over. And. Over. And. Over. And. Over. And. Over. And. Over. And. Over.
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...is just surreal. I've never seen anything like it. It would be one thing if the team were winning games despite his crap play, but that's not remotely what's happening.
We need that image of the "2022 Wild Card Win" banner.
Its insane. It would be like if Frank Ntilkina or Kevin Knox were still starting for the Knicks in their 6th seasons and hoping they improve "with better talent around them".
We have posters here ready to throw a parade for the guy if he wins 10 games in his 6th season.
So hypothetically speaking…
We win 10-11 games, make the playoffs, even maybe win a playoff game - that’s not a reason to be excited? What if Jones combines for 4000+ yards and 27-30 TDs? Would we consider that a good year for the franchise?
Or should we just continue to suck until magically we win the SB? We have to get better - and it shouldn’t matter if it’s Jones in his 6th year or not.
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LOL.
& this is why other fans of other teams laugh at us.
Nope. Other fan bases laugh at our fan base because it it a disloyal, piece of $hit, old fat guy fanbase that want to win the Superbowl every year or they are miserable.
I think at this point, most of the old fat guys would just settle for the occasional division title and not being out of the hunt by Halloween every year...
Are you denying you’re producer and manhattan?
Will you also laugh at the Jones' defenders running away if he continues to play lousy and/or gets seriously injured again?
The big question this year is if Nabers will be the functional equivalent of 2018 Barkley. And is that good enough to assuage the fears that Jones never has weapons.
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How do I let myself keep getting sucked into these dopey fucking threads. The rehashing of every point is so beyond tired. Bring the season on already. I have to say if Jones has a good year, it will be hilarious to see who slinks away. Again.
Will you also laugh at the Jones' defenders running away if he continues to play lousy and/or gets seriously injured again?
Probably.
The big question this year is if Nabers will be the functional equivalent of 2018 Barkley. And is that good enough to assuage the fears that Jones never has weapons.
Haha - you always seem to make my day.
As far as Nabers - his impact needs to be greater than Barkley for a career because his position is of a higher value.
So hypothetically speaking…
We win 10-11 games, make the playoffs, even maybe win a playoff game - that’s not a reason to be excited? What if Jones combines for 4000+ yards and 27-30 TDs? Would we consider that a good year for the franchise?
Or should we just continue to suck until magically we win the SB? We have to get better - and it shouldn’t matter if it’s Jones in his 6th year or not.
Instead of taking a look at extreme hypotheticals with obvious answers, how about this one:
The Giants win 7-8 games. Jones throws for 3100 yards and 18-20 TDs.
Would that be a good year for the franchise? Would it be good enough to keep pressing onward into year 7 for Jones? Because I'd venture a guess that we'd be seeing a lot of support from the usual suspects there.
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So hypothetically speaking…
We win 10-11 games, make the playoffs, even maybe win a playoff game - that’s not a reason to be excited? What if Jones combines for 4000+ yards and 27-30 TDs? Would we consider that a good year for the franchise?
Or should we just continue to suck until magically we win the SB? We have to get better - and it shouldn’t matter if it’s Jones in his 6th year or not.
Instead of taking a look at extreme hypotheticals with obvious answers, how about this one:
The Giants win 7-8 games. Jones throws for 3100 yards and 18-20 TDs.
Would that be a good year for the franchise? Would it be good enough to keep pressing onward into year 7 for Jones? Because I'd venture a guess that we'd be seeing a lot of support from the usual suspects there.
Of course it wouldn’t. I didn’t want him back this year.
But he’s the starting QB this year. And unlikely as it is that he performs well - his OL and WRs are better so his stats may reflect that.
It's hard to find a modern day QB that has as many starts as he does with as little counting stats as he does.
I can not think of a modern day QB that has had as long a leash as the Giants have given DJ.
It doesn't make a whole lot sense.
This will be DJ's legacy. The single worst player ever to play the position. Add the money that has been spent on him, and his legacy of ineptitude will never be matched again. Ever.
Ralph C is obviously trolling for hits knowing that gaslighting and blowing smoke up the collective asses of his fellow Giants fans is a sure fire way to do so. Shame on you Ralph.
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...is just surreal. I've never seen anything like it. It would be one thing if the team were winning games despite his crap play, but that's not remotely what's happening.
We need that image of the "2022 Wild Card Win" banner.
This is my single favorite post of the DJ era. Well played GD!
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of all time.... like, legitimately...given a minimum number of starts at QB (like qualifying for the MLB BA AVG title).
It's hard to find a modern day QB that has as many starts as he does with as little counting stats as he does.
I can not think of a modern day QB that has had as long a leash as the Giants have given DJ.
It doesn't make a whole lot sense.
This will be DJ's legacy. The single worst player ever to play the position. Add the money that has been spent on him, and his legacy of ineptitude will never be matched again. Ever.
Ralph C is obviously trolling for hits knowing that gaslighting and blowing smoke up the collective asses of his fellow Giants fans is a sure fire way to do so. Shame on you Ralph.
What a dumb post. Congrats.
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of all time.... like, legitimately...given a minimum number of starts at QB (like qualifying for the MLB BA AVG title).
It's hard to find a modern day QB that has as many starts as he does with as little counting stats as he does.
I can not think of a modern day QB that has had as long a leash as the Giants have given DJ.
It doesn't make a whole lot sense.
This will be DJ's legacy. The single worst player ever to play the position. Add the money that has been spent on him, and his legacy of ineptitude will never be matched again. Ever.
Ralph C is obviously trolling for hits knowing that gaslighting and blowing smoke up the collective asses of his fellow Giants fans is a sure fire way to do so. Shame on you Ralph.
What a dumb post. Congrats.
King of the pollyanna gaslighters weighs in again with his brilliant acumen on the sport.
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of all time.... like, legitimately...given a minimum number of starts at QB (like qualifying for the MLB BA AVG title).
It's hard to find a modern day QB that has as many starts as he does with as little counting stats as he does.
I can not think of a modern day QB that has had as long a leash as the Giants have given DJ.
It doesn't make a whole lot sense.
This will be DJ's legacy. The single worst player ever to play the position. Add the money that has been spent on him, and his legacy of ineptitude will never be matched again. Ever.
Ralph C is obviously trolling for hits knowing that gaslighting and blowing smoke up the collective asses of his fellow Giants fans is a sure fire way to do so. Shame on you Ralph.
What a dumb post. Congrats.
King of the pollyanna gaslighters weighs in again with his brilliant acumen on the sport.
Yes, even rivaling your jeenyus takes.
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...is just surreal. I've never seen anything like it. It would be one thing if the team were winning games despite his crap play, but that's not remotely what's happening.
We need that image of the "2022 Wild Card Win" banner.
Its insane. It would be like if Frank Ntilkina or Kevin Knox were still starting for the Knicks in their 6th seasons and hoping they improve "with better talent around them".
We have posters here ready to throw a parade for the guy if he wins 10 games in his 6th season.
It doesn’t mean Jones is good but people who completely dismiss surrounding casts are just as wrong as those saying Jones has been a great QB.
I can’t wait until the team is completely perfect around Jones so he can finally start to show how good he really is. Think that’ll happen by year 12?
I can’t wait until the team is completely perfect around Jones so he can finally start to show how good he really is. Think that’ll happen by year 12?
So no excuses are being cited. Thanks.
Jones criticism is about Daboll, Schoen, and Mara. They opted to pay this stiff and have not tried to improve on him. That's on them.
They had better win those 10-11 games this year. Anything less and they should all get destroyed.
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What he is is well established.
Jones criticism is about Daboll, Schoen, and Mara. They opted to pay this stiff and have not tried to improve on him. That's on them.
They had better win those 10-11 games this year. Anything less and they should all get destroyed.
Anything less and very very unlikely Jones sees 2025 with the Giants.
Anything less and none of them should see 2025 with the Giants. Unfortunately though the owner can't be fired.
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What he is is well established.
Jones criticism is about Daboll, Schoen, and Mara. They opted to pay this stiff and have not tried to improve on him. That's on them.
They had better win those 10-11 games this year. Anything less and they should all get destroyed.
Anything less and very very unlikely Jones sees 2025 with the Giants.
Anything less and none of them should see 2025 with the Giants. Unfortunately though the owner can't be fired.
Same owner with two SB wins?
It doesn’t mean Jones is good but people who completely dismiss surrounding casts are just as wrong as those saying Jones has been a great QB.
A quick recap. I excluded 23 since we've adjudicated that enough this off season and already in this thread.
2019: he's a rookie!
2020: COVID restrictions in camp! Having to learn a new system. No weapons
2021: Judge bad! Golladay bad! Weapons!
2022: ignore the bad, everything is good!
The big question this year is if Nabers will be the functional equivalent of 2018 Barkley. And is that good enough to assuage the fears that Jones never has weapons.
hahaha
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Are we really saying that his skilled players and OL have been below average is not reality?
It doesn’t mean Jones is good but people who completely dismiss surrounding casts are just as wrong as those saying Jones has been a great QB.
A quick recap. I excluded 23 since we've adjudicated that enough this off season and already in this thread.
2019: he's a rookie!
2020: COVID restrictions in camp! Having to learn a new system. No weapons
2021: Judge bad! Golladay bad! Weapons!
2022: ignore the bad, everything is good!
2019 - he was a rookie. That’s a fact. Was he suppose to be a MVP that year?
2020: were his weapons good? Please cite the great players he had, please.
2021: is judge a good coach? I thought he was awful. Golladay hasn’t played since. And the weapons and OL still sucked.
2022 - no one ever said that
So again - where are the excuses?
& this is why other fans of other teams laugh at us.
Literally his entire NFL career proves otherwise.
If he manages to have 1 good year, he shall be deemed as a success and will have shown that all the faith placed in him by ownership was justified.
By the end of his career, the Giants franchise will judge themselves on whether they provided Daniel, the tools, talent, and opportunity to fulfill his potential and achieve his personal objectives.
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What he is is well established.
Jones criticism is about Daboll, Schoen, and Mara. They opted to pay this stiff and have not tried to improve on him. That's on them.
They had better win those 10-11 games this year. Anything less and they should all get destroyed.
Anything less and very very unlikely Jones sees 2025 with the Giants.
Anything less and none of them should see 2025 with the Giants. Unfortunately though the owner can't be fired.
Same owner with two SB wins?
How many did Coughlin and Reese have? They both got fired by that owner, didn't they? So I guess John Mara is really the one who deserves the credit for those trophies?
In business, if you're going to invest in asset inside of an underperforming portfolio, you need very clear signals the asset given more average circumstances would thrive. This is the question I always come back to, and have never really gotten very convincing responses from those who think he is a good player in bad circumstances.
If there was quantifiable data to support these characteristics, I would be convinced it's everyone else not him.
- Is his on-target rate, IAY/A etc., when under pressure in the same neighborhood as the good quarterbacks?
- Is his on-target rate, IAY/A, etc. when he's not under pressure in the same neighborhood as the good quarterbacks?
- On a per completion basis, is his AY vs. YAC ratio, in the same neighborhood as the good quarterbacks?
In essence, forget about the outcomes, and focus on the circumstances.
I think it’s a dumb term but it typically doesnt describe hatred for a person when used in this context.
Mostly because of the Manning family antics (mostly Archie). Then it was all the "good Eli - Bad Eli drama); then the championships; THEN the Eli decline (that nobody wanted to accept) ....
It's called life, gentlemen,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2IYnGRYac
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Best for him to stay away from analyzing data imv but tremendous skills in data entry.
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LOL.
& this is why other fans of other teams laugh at us.
That is not true, any proof? I know you are a true Jones hater, but there are those of us, like Ralph C whwo think Jones is a top tier qb, we believe he can get the Giants 10 wins. Until proven other wise we will stick with him!
The Daniel Jones Contract is a punchline on NFL podcasts. When talking about bad contracts, you will routinely hear, "that contract is bad, but it's not Daniel Jones bad." They're laughing at the Giants and the contract.
As to your desire to watch Jones win us 10 games in 2024, Blake Bortles won 10 games for the Jags, took them to the AFCCG, and he hasn't played a game in the NFL since 2019, when he was 27 yrs old.